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If you take off the Homer glasses guys its easy to see that Lids didn't really deserve to win or really get nominated. Its an award for best defenseman, Nick has been shakier then usual this year on the defensive end with almost no offensive output. Doughty and Keith are both deserving, not Green however. Nick simply isn't the best in the game anymore, its a changing of the guard.
I'm pretty sure its awarded to the best defenseman not best defensive defenseman. Noone has ever said defenseman aren't supposed to put up points too, just like forwards aren't supposed to just forecheck.
Why would he bother dealing with the arbitration issue if he could get rid of him for draft picks? Oh that's right, because he understands that keeping players who know the system and were raised in the system is much better than bringing in some pluggers who can't even bring the same offensive game.
Kenny is going to take Hudler and neither Armstrong or Clarkson will be on the roster next season. You can book it here.
I said that I didn't think they would be. What I said is that Armstrong would be better for this team. Detroit is moving away from 3 scoring lines and a 4th line and more into a 2 scoring line grind line 4th line team.
Hudler won't fit that system, because he isn't a top 6 player.
Considering Kenny Holland has made a career out of regular season and playoff success, I'll take his opinion on the matter over some nobody who thinks a low scoring forward who is "physical" can do better than Jiri Hudler.
How do you know what Kenny Holland thinks? He's loyal to the people he drafts. How do you know he doesn't think he would be better off signing armstrong and trading Hudler but just doesn't do it because he's loyal? Or how do you know he won't sign Armstrong? Just cause he hasn't yet, but you never know he might. I doubt he will but too say you know what Kenny thinks is done. What Kenny thinks and what Kenny does can be two different things.
Colby Armstrong has had 0+1=1 points in 5 playoff games in his career, meaning 0.20 ppg.
Jiri Hudler has had 9+19=28 points in 51 playoff games in his career, meaning 0.55 ppg.
Hudler's has also ten times more playoff experience than Armstrong. Yet, somehow Armstrong is better playoff player. Weird.
Hudler is invisible in the playoffs. Stats aren't everything. A guy like Colby Armstrong would be much more beneficial in the playoffs then Hudler. I guarantee you our team would be better off with 2 draft picks plus Colby Armstrong then just Hudler. I'm not saying I think this will happen but to think that this wouldn't make our team better is dumb. If you get rid of Hudler you free up basically 3 million or have about 3 million to spend after other guys come off the books and with 3 million you can get either a) a better offensive guy then Hudler who can play top 6 b) a strong 2 way guy like Armstrong who can hit and fight and will be noticeable come post season.
We're not gonna resigng more than one of Bertuzzi, Williams and Holmstrom. Top6 guys we're going to have next season: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Filppula, Bertuzzi/Williams/Holmstrom, X
Bottom6: Cleary, Helm, Draper, Abdelkader, Eaves, Miller
We already have enough bottom6 guys for next season. Of our top6 guys only two are better than Hudler offensively. Plus, three of them, Filppula, Zetterberg, Datsyuk are all good penalty killers too.
I fail to understand how Armstrong or any guy that brings us less offense and more defense for that same money could be a better option for this team. Armstrong has potential for +50, Hudler has potential for +70. Hudler is two years younger and has already played for this team and played under Babcock. You can hate all you want but I know which of them Babcock and Kenny want.
Like I said, a guy who brings 20 less points in the regular season, that can hit, fight and show up in the playoffs if nothing else but laying out bodies in the top 6 is much more important to a team then a 60 point getter that can't play in his own zone or be even slightly effective in the corners.
Think of it this way. We could trade Hudler for a couple prospects or draft picks, with that money sign Armstrong. Essentially youre trading Hudler for Armstrong and 2 prospects. Sounds good to me anyday.
Its obvious that Hudler can put up points. What he can't do is play defense or be physical which are integral parts of hockey. Detroit believes in solid two way play from all forwards, Hudler was the only one last season that couldn't play good defensively.
Dats and Z are still physical players, especially compared to Hudler.
How much physicality do you honestly think comes out of playing defense? Lidstrom is a top-5 defender EVER and has barely been physical. Datsyuk defends by takeaways. Zetterberg is one of Detroit's best shutdown players. Cleary is more of a grinder than anyone on the team.
Also Armstrong had 40 points in one year. What happened when Kovalchuk left? 11 fewer points and 7 less goals. Man what a player.
David Clarkson? What made you think he was better all around? His +/- is deplorable in comparison to Hudler's while playing in front of a much better regular season goaltender.
Since when did physicality become necessary for a player to be successful in a puck possession system?
Unless we are selecting Armstrong for a 4th line role guy at 1 mil, which I would have no problem lift.
Youre comparing guys like Z, and Datsyuk and Lidstrom, three guys who will be hall of famers to Hudler. I never said physicality meant defense, I mean if a guy pays defense as well as another guy but lays people out at the same time, the big hitter is more valuable. A healthy cleary will put up 10 more points a season then Hudler.
Yes, and that's why we need a guy like Hudler. As a team we already have that defensive abilitiy, but lack offense. Getting Hudler helps with that. It's like we have 80 offense 100 defense and Hudler balances it to 100-100.
Of course I take a guy that is great in offense and great in defense over a guy that is great in offense but only average in defense, IF THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME CAP HIT. We're living in a cap era, and when we get Hudler we don't pay too much money for defense which would be "wasted" as we already have great two-way guys.
Got the point?
Got it, but you don't get the point that he's not a huge offensive guy, what does he do in playoffs? Gets laid out to give the other team momentum and be too smalls and slow to make an impact. I would sacrifice 20 points in the regular season for a guy who will actually make an impact come playoff time. Hudler's 57 points doesn't mean s*** come playoffs.
Yeah, but we have Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Helm, Eaves, Miller, Draper, Cleary... all good defensive guys. We don't need a guy for our PK.
Our top forwards only had 70 points this season. I don't think that's so much. We need more offense and the fact is that if you want to get a guy with imaginary offense rated 10 and defense rated 5 it's cheaper or much cheaper than a guy with offense rated 10 and defense rated 7. And we wouldn't really even have no real use for that defensive ability. We need to strengthen our offense more than our defense at this time, that's the point.
We also already have a lot of soft players. Datsyuk, Z, Cleary and Flip should be put into scoring roles and not have to worry about defense. WIth guy like Hudler on the team it is more likely that they'll be forced into playing more defensively. If Dats or Z are stuck playing with Hudler they'll have to play twice as defensive to cover for his liable ass.
I wouldn't say Clarkson would be a better fit for our team's top 6 I would say he would be a better fit for our team however. And Armstrong would be a hell of a lot better then Hudler by far. You guys talk about how Hudler put up that many points playing on the 3rd line with bad players. Armstrong played for Atlanta and didn't play with Kovalchuk a lot. Hudler has played with twice the talent in his career then Armstrong and Armstrong would be a guy that people would keep their head up for. I don't think anyone keeps their head up for Hudler, even with their head down they're staring at the top of his head the guy is so damn small.
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Hudler is taller than 50 inches as 50 inches = 4'2 (50 /12 = 4 remainder 2 inches), therefore no he is not. (although I doubt he is the listed 5'9)
But as I said haterz gonna hate.
You are 6'2 yet have how many NHL, KHL, Czech Team goals do you have?
mmmm is height really what makes great hockey players?
Or is it the Bow Leggedness that was rumored long ago (not sure if you have ever heard the expression show me a bow legged french man and I will show you a hockey player.)
Either way I am still having a hard time correlating height to NHL skill level, as Chara is the tallest guy in the league but has no Hart trophies, and even gets beaten out yearly in an award designed specifically for him to compete against only people of his position, well if he is the tallest in the league than with out a doubt he must be the tallest D-man, surely he must be the best.
How much taller than Hudler is Crosby? Is that what makes the talent gap difference, the 2 inches (probably 3) is the reason why Crosby is so much greater than Hudler.
And guys like Theo Fluery have proven sizes matters for little more than an attribute in Hockey.
So I ask why does his size matter other than it gives you something to criticize. He takes a licking and keeps on ticking. How many times has he been lit up at center ice only to never miss a shift.
AH that's it! The fact that he is a midget and has different bone structure than the rest of us and that explains it, so you weren't hating. I had it all wrong you trying to show us all that being a midget was a bonus!
PS most of this is me being sarcastic you are just hating for the sake of hating.
Chara has the last norris trophy taken from Nick Lidstrom so Chara proved he was the most dominant defenseman in the league. Hudler has yet to prove to Babcock he deserves more then third line minutes.
And yeah you can say he gets a licking and takes it and blah blah but when was the last time Hudler dished out a licking? You gotta be able to dish it out a bit in hockey. Small guys like Fleury and Terrible Ted were pretty feisty guys, Hudler isn't. Nor does Hudler have world class talent like a guy like St louis. He has below average speed, physicality and defensive awareness but is good on the PP. Thats about it.
I won't mind having him back but would rather trade him. A lot of people in here are talking about how the people who are mad at them shouldn't be. Doesn't everyone remember how he handcuffed the organization and we were left with Jason Williams as our free agent crop?
I would rather trade him, playing in the top 6 is not for Hudler. He's slow, bad defensively and weak. He thrives playing o the third line against weaker opposition and playing as a PP specialist. If we can trade him I would do it for sure, as long as the return is half decent. Maybe try to get a couple prospects or something for him.
Now I'm not trying to start an argument or anything but I would like to see what posters on here who are praising Kane for this were saying in the "should fighting be banned" threads. This is a fight just like the ones where a guy got KO'ed and posters were saying fighting should be banned.
I wonder if those same people are in here praising Kane now hmmm..