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#2514650 Bertuzzi in, Jurco out

Posted by Hairy Lime on 24 April 2014 - 11:46 AM

Babcock finally showing a little intelligence. Bruins have been manhandling Detroit's forwards in front of Boston's net; put in a guy they can't manhandle. I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with this. If you can't score goals, you try something different. I'd put Cleary in, too, if he could play, and I hate Cleary. All the kids look out of their depth right now. Boston's defence is a bad match-up for them. They would probably be lighting it up if we were playing Pittsburgh. 

#2514556 ECQF - Game 4 - Bruins 3 at Red Wings 2 (F/OT)

Posted by 13dangledangle on 24 April 2014 - 09:12 AM

Z!! His beard alone is intimidation enough...but seriously I assume they are doing the right thing so I won't think about that, he will no doubt add a spark under this club. LETS GO WINGS!!

#2514406 Magic Man has Baby, Hank skates first full practice

Posted by kipwinger on 23 April 2014 - 03:07 PM

Even know my irritation with Babcock is at an all time high, I've got to admit this is pretty awesome...


"Pavel Datsyuk didn’t skate because his wife delivered a girl. Niklas Kronwall’s girlfriend is expecting.


Coach Mike Babcock expects both to be in the lineup for Game 4 of a playoff series Thursday against the Boston Bruins (8 p.m., Fox Sports Detroit). Boston holds a 2-1 lead in the best-of-seven series.


I would assume that they’re both playing,” Babcock said. “They’re not giving birth. Their wives are.

#2514219 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by rick zombo on 22 April 2014 - 11:26 PM


So if Carey Price was our goalie, we'd have won two games by a score of 1-0, and lost the other game by a score of 1-0.  


Let me get this straight. His 2.5 GAA average behind a much better defence is a number far superior to Howard’s 2.00 GAA behind Kronwall, DeKeyser, and the four town drunks (although I like Smith)?


Or wait, could it be that le horseshoe (that’s french for horseshoe) landed squarely on Montreal and Price’s lap when Bishop couldn’t start and instead they got Gumby? 

#2514207 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by rick zombo on 22 April 2014 - 11:03 PM

Dudes!! I’m very much afraid that blaming Howard for this loss or the loss in the last game puts us very definitively in "Leaf-Land". Toronto blamed Reimer for their epic meltdown. 


Do we really want to start acting like Leaf fans?  :blind:


The truth is, the Leafs missed the playoffs, not because of Reimer, Phanuef, or Clarkson. They missed because, as a team, they were soft between the ears, lacked character, and leadership. 


Now Detroit’s problems don’t run this deep obviously, but maybe we’re down 2-1 to Boston because of team play.


Also, the Bruins just might be the better team. 

#2514163 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 22 April 2014 - 10:09 PM


He is taking the most heat because two games in a row he gave up easy goals to give Boston early leads.


Again, Jimmy Howard did not give the Red Wings a chance to get things started against Boston, but he absolutely straight-up handed Boston that chance, two playoff games in a row. That's the bottom line and that's why it's a serious problem no matter his play the remainder of the game.


I absolutely think we have other problems aside from Howard, but I also think we might see the team look a bit different if they weren't having to play from behind early on. We haven't really had a chance to get anything going two games in a row because early leads were given up to a team that is just too good to be giving early leads to. Like it or not, those early leads were started by bad plays by Howard. The situation was exacerbated by the rest of the team quickly in both games, and Howard obviously doesn't shoulder as much blame for those goals, but the wheels started coming off due to bad goals given up by Howard.


Howard needs to give the team a better chance to get going than he's done these last two games. I didn't make a stink about it after the last game because it was one game and s*** happens. Most goalies give up one bad goal now and again. I've never held it against goalies when it occasionally happened. After all, I was an Osgood fan, and obviously he had his seriously atrocious goals against. But Osgood had a tendency of following up games in which he gave up lousy goals with outstanding, lights out games. Howard came back and gave up another easy goal and lead again tonight, in the playoffs.


No one should be debating whether or not he played well the rest of the game because he did, but there should also be no debate that these early goals he's giving up are unacceptable and deflating, and again, that's a serious problem.

If this team is falling apart after one goal being allowed then they have no business even playing in the playoffs to begin with. If they go into the game with the logic that they must score the first goal or they are going to just not play anymore and lose the game then there is no hope for any kind of advancement this season.


Regardless, he doesn't let that one in, we still lose 1-0. There was no energy out of the Wings prior to that first goal anyway, they came out lazy like they didn't care. It's not like they came out flying, were putting up scoring chances, and suddenly a weak goal was let in and it changed the entire pace of the game. They were bad from the puck drop until late in the 2nd period. It was a matter of when Boston was going to score, not if, and that is the fault of the skaters and defense. 


I still don't declare the first goal as weak as everyone is saying it is, in my book, weak means no excuse why it wasn't stopped. The red line slapper against Osgood, the wrap around against Fleury in last year's playoffs. Soderberg ripped it over Howard's glove, he was given plenty of room to do so and he tucked it in right under the crossbar. It could have been stopped, but it wasn't a bad, weak shot that some kind of half assed effort caused to go in, Howard just didn't react in time to stop the shot that picked the corner. It was stoppable, but not weak.


What Howard did in Game 2 was a mistake and weak. I won't deny that. They are two very different situations.

#2514139 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by atodaso on 22 April 2014 - 09:48 PM

Would it have really been that much worse if instead of Andersson we had Bert or Tootoo in the lineup?

#2514134 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 22 April 2014 - 09:43 PM


Quick won the Conn Smythe a few years ago in one of the best goaltending performances ever.


Howard can't get past the 2nd round.  

I didn't post that with the intention of arguing that Howard is better than Quick, because I won't. It is more a point that yes, a goaltender can be responsible for losing games in the playoffs. Quick has solely been responsible for them being down 2-0 and having the series in a losing position right now. There is no denying that, he has been terrible.


Howard has been responsible for dropping one game. Holding him responsible for this game is illogical. His numbers have been excellent, he stole us a game, yet he's still getting the most heat. That's my point. Even the most elite can be awful at times and cause you to lose games. Howard has been solid, not stellar, but not bad either. 


The blame needs to be pointed at the offense and lack of effort and energy in the first half of tonight's game. 

#2514112 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Crashnburnluder on 22 April 2014 - 09:29 PM

Howard didn't given them the momentum, Detroit did.... A pp goal by Hamilton walking down the slot on a stupid penalty... That's what killed the momentum... A terrible change by detroit, that's what killed the momentum.... Howard can bail his team out every time and people who say he never does... This game should have been worse then 2-0

#2514111 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 22 April 2014 - 09:29 PM

Defend him all you want but we will never win anything with Howard in net.

I know, if only we had a clutch goaltender like Quick shutting down the opposition with insanely strong efforts every night during the playoffs.


Howard - 2.02 GAA .931 SV%

Quick - 7.20 GAA .824 SV%

#2514100 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Phil Lesh on 22 April 2014 - 09:21 PM

No one is expecting a shutout but not letting in soft goals and losing the game in the first 10mins would be nice for a change.


If giving up a goal in the first period is enough to doom this team they have serious, serious problems.

#2514089 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Phil Lesh on 22 April 2014 - 09:17 PM

Top 10 money or not, Howard, and most goalies in the NHL, are not going to shutout the Bruins or hold them to one goal. This team has to score. That's all there is to it.

#2514077 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 22 April 2014 - 09:12 PM

You mean after Boston stopped playing and just sat back on their lead? Yeah he's been just great since he threw away our chance to win in the first period.

Shutout or nothing is an arrogant expectation of any fan towards a goalie. Considering the odd man rushes, the scoring chances, and Howard making over 30 saves he played damn well and it could have been a lot worse. He's among the last I blame for the loss, scoring 2 goals in 3 games so far and blaming the goalie is ridiculous. 


Howard is the only reason why we won game 1 or we would be facing a 0-3 series right now. Howard is the only reason why we still had some kind of chance in the 3rd period this game, if it was Monster, we are down 4-0 going into the 3rd.

#2514072 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by Phil Lesh on 22 April 2014 - 09:08 PM

I've seen nothing in these last two games that would indicate this team has a chance of winning another one, home or away. You cannot expect Howard to only give up one goal and when you can't score, you can't win. Plain and simple.

#2513045 ADQF | Game 3 | Boston 3 @ Detroit 0, BOS leads series 2-1

Posted by nawein on 22 April 2014 - 09:28 AM

Just found out one of my good friends passed away on Sunday at 23. He was one of the biggest Wings fans I knew and I'm certain he's up there plotting with the hockey gods already. Keep an eye out for any Red Wing bounces or puck luck tonight. It will be his doing. LGRW.

I'm deeply sorry for your loss. I'll set a cold one aside for him tonight and hopefully he can bring the wings some good luck and persuade the Hockey Gods to be forever on our side.