Doc Holliday

This discussion is stupid. We have Franzen and the Hawks have Hossa and you can't make hypothetical arguments when we don't know how good Hossa would make the Wings and how Franzen would play if we let him go.

 

 

Holland has made more egregious errors in my opinion than the Hossa/Franzen choice. Personally, not even getting into contact with Semin and perpetuating the idea that veterans are safe here (loyalty is one thing, but complete amnesty is another) is bigger than the choice between a guy who can score 40 and a guy who can score 30-35.

 

Besides, it has been 3+ years since Hossa has been off the team. We can't dwell on it forever, right?

 

Only if you're 13!

Yeah, I'm 13 at heart.

 

Wanna fight abaht it?

Franzen sure is brilliant when he puts in everything.

 

That came out wrong.

That doesn't entirely bother me since I don't think we are a piece away from contending. Would prefer a long term trade over the offseason.

Do we really want to give Filppula a raise with the way he has been playing?

 

And can someone give me a link that says it is for sure going to go down to 64 million?

Kronwall hurts his team just as much as Bouwmeester does, if I had the time I would find all of his uncovered offensive zone pinches, being out of position and neutral zone risks and I could make Kronwall look just as bad. Kronwall has taken the 2nd most minors in the NHL for defenseman, that's not good for a number one guy, Bouwmeester for example has taken 8 penalities while play 25 minutes a night, while Kronwall has taken 17. That's a pretty telling statistic in today's age when penalties get called because you are caught out of position.

 

But let's go over the examples you gave from last night

And on that specific play by bouwmeester on that 2 on 1, Hudler completely abandoned being the high man after Bouwmeester saw him, and already committed, and if I'm in the film room would blame him, not bouwmeester. Bouwmeester saw Hudler make his way to cover, and Hudler didn't cover after Bouwmeester already committed. Pinching isn't a bad thing, especially when you see you have a high man.

 

And you're going to blame him for taking the pass away on a 2 on 1 on the Calvert goal? What level of hockey did you play? As a defenseman on a 2 on 1, your job is to take away the pass and keep the puck carrier to an outside shot, Bouwmeester did his job, and he didn't let him get in on the goalie. I'm confused on how that's at all his fault.

 

And once again on the third goal, his forward Stempniak gave absolutely no effort on the back check, and it was a 3 on 2, if he leaves the middle of the ice Prospal has an easy path to the goal. That goal is also on Stempniak for not skating hard and taking the late man, it's not on Bouwmeester leaving the middle of the ice to take a late man.

I wouldn't bother. I made similar observations on HF and they were ignored.

 

Simply nitpicking to lower the value of a defenseman they simply don't like.

 

Here is a better question: how many available and affordable defensemen are better than Bouwmeester. I don't really care that Karlsson and Weber are better than him. We aren't getting those kind of defensemen without drafting them or picking them up in free agency.

How can anyone be unhappy with the way Toots has played so far?

 

He's been spectacular, in my opinion. Doing everything we expected of him and a little more.

You're back from suspension?  

 

I promised them I was a changed man.

I find either side stupid if they use the "they should be grateful" card.

The players need owners to run the league and the owners need the players to play in the league.  Both sides need the fan support to make the league viable.

Both sides are stupid, and I think Jimmy was way out of line with his comments.

Kronwall will be hard pressed this year

Hard pressed to do what?

You just seem to be making a bunch of random statements in this thread that are slightly related to the topic.

Holland is still working to help lower the impact of not getting the free agents he was looking for this offseason.  While I am not a fan of Bouwmeester, I think it wouldn't hurt to help our defensive talent and ship off a bit of offensive talent in the process.  If Holland is able to get him for decent value, I think that will be a good sign.

Why is everyone blaming Kenny? I think if Babs said he wanted him, we would have him. I think this is more of a Babcock call to me.

Babcock would rather deal with our current roster than add a potential 40 goal scorer and someone to develop mad chemistry with Datsyuk?

One year, zero risk. Nothing but upside and instead Kenny is sitting on his $13m, watching Dreger waiting for him to tweet that Doan has resigned with Pheonix. I knew the Wings weren't interested in Semin, and I didn't expect him to sign here, but watching him sign a one-year deal elsewhere burns my ass.

Stagnant offense. Defense takes a huge hit with no replacements.... but hey, we improved our backup

I think the fact we have a monster on our team negates any problems our team has.

I like how Cougar is hiding behind the words of other posters instead of saying something himself.

As far as the thread goes, this is the first time since 2008 that Detroit has actually been able to sign high-tier players from free agency.  It didn't work out.  Suter seemed to be set on coming here until Parise got a hold of him, Nash was cockblocked by Howson from coming here, Weber was signed to a ridiculous offer sheet by a team he appeared to be only interested in, and of all that is left there is still left to be seen.

It will be interesting to see how contract talks work out now that these crazy long term deals are getting removed after this CBA.  I don't like this team now, but we can rebuild it.  We have the technology.

Geez, makes me wonder what Hollands "Hell of an offer" was...he could have beaten this without blinking...Howsen is an absolute jack wagon... Franzine/Tatr/Mursak/1st destroys what the Rags gave them....Not unless Holland low-balled again....Bring on Ryan! NOT! It aint gonna happen...our roster is set...I believe it now 100%...as much as I like the Tootoo signing, Holland failed this year...FAIL by low-balling!

Holland just cannot let go of Franzilina....God I hate Franzine!

Howson wasn't going to trade Nash to Detroit.  End of story.

ShanahanMan is right.  Holland should instead talk about how the team is horrible and that they won't be able to compete for anything.