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#2308422 NHL Awards

Posted by ogreslayer on 21 June 2012 - 09:51 AM

Now that I think about it some more, I really hope the NHL cuts their contract with Nickelback and send them to the NBA

If the owners are thinking about locking anyone out next season, it should be Nickelhack.


#2308335 NHL Awards

Posted by ogreslayer on 20 June 2012 - 09:51 PM

The highlight of the show for me, and the only one for that matter, was Lundqvist dropping an f-bomb under his breath while excepting the Vezina. Goes to prove there's still only one perfect Swede in the world. Other than that, the show was absolute cheese, but it always is.


#2308071 Parise and Suter - how much are they really worth?

Posted by ogreslayer on 19 June 2012 - 01:46 PM

"Chatted briefly w/Rinne. He said he tried to call Suter today, but no answer. He still thinks there is a good chance Suter signs w/ Preds."

And there are people who believe the world will end in December too. It's just like, his opinion, man.

So Nashville only spent $52m against the cap last season. They're on the hook for $7m to Rinne, probably another $7.5 for Weber, & it will probably take the same $7.5 to sign Suter. That's slightly over 42% of their payroll based on their internal cap from last year. With what they already have on the books, that would put them at ~$58m and they still need to sign at least 1 more d-man, a backup goalie, & 4 more forwards minimum to put a team on the ice. Unless ownership really opens up the wallet, I don't see it happening. And if they use the same ratio for their internal cap when compared to the actual, their internal cap this year would come in around $56m total.


#2308042 Red Wings Prepared to Offer Hudler Contract

Posted by ogreslayer on 19 June 2012 - 11:53 AM

Early favourites for LGW whipping boy are: Franzen, Quincey, Abdelkader, Ericsson. Wait, that's the same group we had at the end of the playoffs minus Hudler.

Personally, I'm hoping for Ryan Suter to become the new whipping boy for not being nearly as perfect as Nick was.


#2307982 Darren Helm signs 4 year extension

Posted by ogreslayer on 19 June 2012 - 09:46 AM

Good signing & while it seems just a little high right now, I think over the 4 years that will end up being a good price, maybe even a little bit of a bargain. So Abby next but how many years/$s? 2-4 with a hit around $1.6-1.8 maybe?


#2307974 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by ogreslayer on 19 June 2012 - 09:23 AM

I wonder how long it will take for everyone to turn on Smith like they did with Ericsson.... The kid has Potential and a good skill set but he has played like 9 NHL games and wasn't phenomenal. People aren't being realistic and are setting themselves up for disappointment

I know it's a limited sample size in some cases (Smith & Commodore), but here's what the Wings d-men looked like from a points per game standpoint last season:

Smith: 0.5
Lidstrom: 0.49
Kronwall: 0.44
White: 0.42
Stuart: 0.26
Kindl: 0.24
Ericsson: 0.16
Commodore: 0.12

Now I'm not saying that Smith is going to be the next Lidstrom, but 7 points in 14 games and from what I remember watching those games, Smith did not look out of place at all. Oh, and he got those points playing on the 3rd pairing if I remember correctly. And yes, there are higher expectations for Smith & assumed much more potential than Ericsson because Smith=27th pick/Ericsson=291st.

I think though that ultimately the debate on Schultz will be solved by him turning down a contract with the Wings because he won't have a guarantee to make the big club his first year. He'll wind up playing big minutes in Toronto or Edmonton & missing the playoffs year after year instead based on current rumors.


#2307813 Power Play

Posted by ogreslayer on 18 June 2012 - 10:41 AM

Ericsson should be on the PP at the point. He has a 100+mph slapshot and it is under used. Teach him to put it about knee height and let him go.

100+ mph doesn't mean much when it he has to pull his backswing all the way to the UP to fire it off, giving defenders plenty of time to get in his shooting lane. Better to teach him how to speed up his mechanics & give up a some on the mph to get the puck on net before there are bodies in the way.


#2307713 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by ogreslayer on 17 June 2012 - 12:35 PM

So let's see...

Did Parise already know the Wild were interested in him before this broke? Yes, unless he doesn't have access to newspapers, tv, radio, or the internet. Since I have never seen an Amish hockey player, I assume he does have access to all of those.

Does Parise already know the maximum any team can offer him? Yes, if he knows anything about the current CBA he does. No team can offer him a salary that is worth more than 20% of their salary cap at the time he is signed. With the current temporary cap set at ~$70m, any team can offer him the maximum of $14m a year. I would think that Parise's smart enough to know he's not getting that type of money though. More realistically, and this is just my opinion, he's probably looking at Brad Richards or Ilya Kovalchuk type money & he knows that already.

So all that Parise got out of Nanne's comments are: The Wild are interested in him & that they think nobody will be able to outbid them for his rights. I would have a feeling he knew all of this to begin with unless he lives in a cave when not at the rink. I'm sure he also knows that Detroit is interested & thinks that nobody will outbid them. Probably the same for the Rangers although he already said he wouldn't consider signing with them.

To recap: No new information really in anything Nanne said & it wasn't direct comments from anyone within the Wild organization. If this were tampering, Lou Lamoriello would already be all over this like he was with the Scott Stevens episode back in 1994 & as of yet, there hasn't been a single peep out of him or anyone within the Devil's organization about it. And as to comparing this to rape & demanding both parties be put under oath? Please, just step away from the Law & Order reruns on cable.


#2307599 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by ogreslayer on 16 June 2012 - 01:11 AM

Also, he said it on radio and is a credible source, an investigation has to happen.

No, no it doesn't. Simply put, there was no public comment made by any member, past or present, of the Minnesota Wild organization in regards to going after Parise in free agency. That really is the only way that the league will automatically go after the team for tampering.

Sure, the Devils could file tampering charges & try to convince the Commissioners office to investigate. Realistically, the only way that happens is that Parise ends up signing with the Wild straight out of the gate on July 1st. And if all the league can find is that a 72 year old former GM of a completely different club, popped off at the mouth during a radio interview, nothing will come of it. Unless they can find hard evidence that there was a distinct plan to leak info out to the public (say like in an internal email chain) through Nanne or, like in the case of the Blues tampering w/ Scott Stevens when he was an RFA years ago, the actual existence of a contract that was drawn up & discussed with Parise's agent prior to July 1st, the whole thing will go nowhere.

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#2307586 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by ogreslayer on 15 June 2012 - 08:35 PM

I have a question about the rules that I cannot lock down.

The Wild owner just let it leak out that he will not be outbid for Parise... while he was still under contract and the Devils have exclusive negotiating rights.

Holland said it himself during an NHL Live interview, that he can't name names before July 1st or it would be tampering.

Now we know the Lions lost a draft pick recently when former KC coach Cunningham said he would like to get a player that was undercontract with the Chiefs. I can only assume the same system is in place for all of the sporting leagues.

Now, why hasn't there been any talk about hitting the Wild with a penalty over this?


If the Devils were trying to sign Parise for a hypothetical amount- such as 7 Million- and he was asking for 8 hypothetically, then it is possible by July first they negotiate to somewhere in the middle... such as 7.5. Saying this can allow the agent of Zach to say, he just said they won't be outbid. Not only are we going to get 8 there, we are going to get 9 million there, 8 was the hometown discount for you. We demand 8. Now the Devils are stuck paying 8 or letting Zach walk and get at least 8 from the Wild.

See how that should be cheating? The general feeling seems to be that since the source was a friend who had dinner with him... At least that is what George Malik thinks. I think that is a weak defense. Why doesn't Holland just go out with a Ashar Khan for dinner and give him a list of names and say this is off the record WINK. Then he could write a story and Holland could deny it and say I wouldn't do that because it would be cheating? You know why he doesn't do it, because he is classy.

I just want to know, what are the rules and what should happen? Also, why aren't we more upset about this. I think we should point this out, because it would piss us off if it happened to us. It also could inhibit our ability to get him if we choose to bid for his services.

The link to the source is below.

The Skinny.

Doesn't anyone ever read? Where exactly in your original post do you "clearly state it was second hand"? In fact, in the bolded piece above, you stated that "The Wild owner just let it leak out". No, the entire story is about Lou Nanne, who has absolutely no affiliation with the Wild & is not a journalist, taking the story to the press. By saying "the owner leaked it" you either had to be there to hear the conversation or you're making a "wild" assumption. Unless the NHL has proof, i.e. they heard Leipold tell Nanne to go to the press with the info OR if Leipold himself had made those comments in public or to a member of the press, they're not going to do anything. There's absolutely no evidence that Leipold wanted that in the press, again just assumptions. Bottom line, the NHL isn't going to start handing out fines & taking draft picks away on assumptions. And btw the Nanne situation in no way, shape, or form would compare to Holland going out to dinner with an Ashar Khan, who is a journalist, and dropping information about the who's & how much's they're going after as UFAs. There is a much much greater expectation of conversations being private when had among friends when compared to being had with journalists either on or off the record.

All it is at this point is hearsay...

{heer-say}
Noun
1. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another & not part of one's direct knowledge
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor

Until it is verified, as in Leipold or Fletcher confirm the conversation went like that, it is 100% NOT tampering & nothing will ever come of it.


#2307541 Nashville to trade Suter's rights?

Posted by ogreslayer on 15 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

Cheli trying to push for Suter to sign in Chicago? I call bulls*** on that rumor given that, oh I don't know, the fact that Cheli actually works for the Wings maybe.


#2307532 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by ogreslayer on 15 June 2012 - 02:03 PM

Because, per the source, it wasn't anyone from the Wild that actually made the comment public. The guy who made the comment is the former GM of the Minnesota North Stars and the comments were based on a conversation he supposedly had with the current owner & GM of the Wild. Minnesota North Stars...Minnesota Wild... See the difference? In fact, Lou Nanne has never been affiliated with the Wild at all. It wasn't Leipold, Fletcher, or anyone else in the Wild organ-i-zation that made public comments.

To give you an example, that would be the equivalent of former Maple Leaf's GM John Ferguson coming out & saying in an interview that he just played golf with Kenny Holland & they had a long chat on the back 9 about the Wings going after Ryan Suter. Does he now represent the Wings organ-i-zation by making that comment? No, it is considered hearsay unless it can be confirmed with Holland & that wouldn't happen. IF Kenny confirmed it, THEN that would be tampering.


#2307103 Nashville to trade Suter's rights?

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 June 2012 - 09:56 AM

I hope to god that this not true,not ready to face the truth that the preds will never be a stanley cup contender. :crybaby:

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.


#2307014 Nashville to trade Suter's rights?

Posted by ogreslayer on 12 June 2012 - 08:01 PM

Interesting rumor coming out of the league offices evidently:

From Denis Bernstein

League exec told us last night he expects Preds to deal Suter rights around draft, 'just like they did with Hamhuis, Hartnell and Timonen'



https://twitter.com/...623343097098242

So what are the chances Nashville will want to deal with Kenny & if so, how much of a higher price will Kenny have to pay? Maybe Kenny can get Stevie to trade for his rights & then flip them over ala the Quincey deal. :hehe:


#2306914 Helm gets his cast off

Posted by ogreslayer on 12 June 2012 - 10:31 AM

Is it wrong that the first thing I thought of was Harry Potter?

Would that make Helm...The Boy Who Skated or The Forward Who Lived?


Why yes, yes I am a geek :P