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#2307586 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by ogreslayer on 15 June 2012 - 08:35 PM

I have a question about the rules that I cannot lock down.

The Wild owner just let it leak out that he will not be outbid for Parise... while he was still under contract and the Devils have exclusive negotiating rights.

Holland said it himself during an NHL Live interview, that he can't name names before July 1st or it would be tampering.

Now we know the Lions lost a draft pick recently when former KC coach Cunningham said he would like to get a player that was undercontract with the Chiefs. I can only assume the same system is in place for all of the sporting leagues.

Now, why hasn't there been any talk about hitting the Wild with a penalty over this?

If the Devils were trying to sign Parise for a hypothetical amount- such as 7 Million- and he was asking for 8 hypothetically, then it is possible by July first they negotiate to somewhere in the middle... such as 7.5. Saying this can allow the agent of Zach to say, he just said they won't be outbid. Not only are we going to get 8 there, we are going to get 9 million there, 8 was the hometown discount for you. We demand 8. Now the Devils are stuck paying 8 or letting Zach walk and get at least 8 from the Wild.

See how that should be cheating? The general feeling seems to be that since the source was a friend who had dinner with him... At least that is what George Malik thinks. I think that is a weak defense. Why doesn't Holland just go out with a Ashar Khan for dinner and give him a list of names and say this is off the record WINK. Then he could write a story and Holland could deny it and say I wouldn't do that because it would be cheating? You know why he doesn't do it, because he is classy.

I just want to know, what are the rules and what should happen? Also, why aren't we more upset about this. I think we should point this out, because it would piss us off if it happened to us. It also could inhibit our ability to get him if we choose to bid for his services.

The link to the source is below.

The Skinny.

Doesn't anyone ever read? Where exactly in your original post do you "clearly state it was second hand"? In fact, in the bolded piece above, you stated that "The Wild owner just let it leak out". No, the entire story is about Lou Nanne, who has absolutely no affiliation with the Wild & is not a journalist, taking the story to the press. By saying "the owner leaked it" you either had to be there to hear the conversation or you're making a "wild" assumption. Unless the NHL has proof, i.e. they heard Leipold tell Nanne to go to the press with the info OR if Leipold himself had made those comments in public or to a member of the press, they're not going to do anything. There's absolutely no evidence that Leipold wanted that in the press, again just assumptions. Bottom line, the NHL isn't going to start handing out fines & taking draft picks away on assumptions. And btw the Nanne situation in no way, shape, or form would compare to Holland going out to dinner with an Ashar Khan, who is a journalist, and dropping information about the who's & how much's they're going after as UFAs. There is a much much greater expectation of conversations being private when had among friends when compared to being had with journalists either on or off the record.

All it is at this point is hearsay...

1. unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another & not part of one's direct knowledge
2. an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor

Until it is verified, as in Leipold or Fletcher confirm the conversation went like that, it is 100% NOT tampering & nothing will ever come of it.

#2307541 Nashville to trade Suter's rights?

Posted by ogreslayer on 15 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

Cheli trying to push for Suter to sign in Chicago? I call bulls*** on that rumor given that, oh I don't know, the fact that Cheli actually works for the Wings maybe.

#2307532 Why isn't the Wild in hot water for their owner's comments?

Posted by ogreslayer on 15 June 2012 - 02:03 PM

Because, per the source, it wasn't anyone from the Wild that actually made the comment public. The guy who made the comment is the former GM of the Minnesota North Stars and the comments were based on a conversation he supposedly had with the current owner & GM of the Wild. Minnesota North Stars...Minnesota Wild... See the difference? In fact, Lou Nanne has never been affiliated with the Wild at all. It wasn't Leipold, Fletcher, or anyone else in the Wild organ-i-zation that made public comments.

To give you an example, that would be the equivalent of former Maple Leaf's GM John Ferguson coming out & saying in an interview that he just played golf with Kenny Holland & they had a long chat on the back 9 about the Wings going after Ryan Suter. Does he now represent the Wings organ-i-zation by making that comment? No, it is considered hearsay unless it can be confirmed with Holland & that wouldn't happen. IF Kenny confirmed it, THEN that would be tampering.

#2307103 Nashville to trade Suter's rights?

Posted by ogreslayer on 13 June 2012 - 09:56 AM

I hope to god that this not true,not ready to face the truth that the preds will never be a stanley cup contender. :crybaby:

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

#2307014 Nashville to trade Suter's rights?

Posted by ogreslayer on 12 June 2012 - 08:01 PM

Interesting rumor coming out of the league offices evidently:

From Denis Bernstein

League exec told us last night he expects Preds to deal Suter rights around draft, 'just like they did with Hamhuis, Hartnell and Timonen'


So what are the chances Nashville will want to deal with Kenny & if so, how much of a higher price will Kenny have to pay? Maybe Kenny can get Stevie to trade for his rights & then flip them over ala the Quincey deal. :hehe:

#2306914 Helm gets his cast off

Posted by ogreslayer on 12 June 2012 - 10:31 AM

Is it wrong that the first thing I thought of was Harry Potter?

Would that make Helm...The Boy Who Skated or The Forward Who Lived?

Why yes, yes I am a geek :P

#2306131 Please Mr. I...

Posted by ogreslayer on 08 June 2012 - 11:06 PM

I do like the horn too! But they also need to stop all the personal goal scoring music AND the music that "means something" like the Billy Joel 1..2..3..4, I cannot stand it personally. Just blast the f'ing horn and play a song like maybe go back to EMF's Unbelievable or Gary Glitter's Rock N' Roll Part 2. I have always wished for Welcome to the Jungle when the starting lineups skate out on the ice too. Or someting by Ministry, like NWO or Just On Fix or Jesus Built My HotRod...That would get the NEW place rockin!

No on EMF because it's not 1990 and the song sucked back then too & no on Gary Glitter because it's not 1972 & personally, I think it would be a good thing to keep all association with kiddie porn out of the new arena. Parents, keep this guy away from the young 'uns:

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I say keep the personalized goal songs for players but just update them a bit. I've always been disappointed they never busted out Tool's song 'Hooker with a Penis' as Hudler's goal song.

#2305853 Red Wings make contract offer to D Justin Schultz

Posted by ogreslayer on 07 June 2012 - 03:02 PM

Did not Abdelkder go straight from MSU to the Wings? yes he did.

Uh no, not really unless you're using the 2 games he played in the regular season in 2008 after leaving school as "straight to the Wings". He spent a good portion of 2 seasons in Grand Rapids.


If that really is the definition of straight to the Wings then, I guess we can say Riley Sheahan did the same thing.

#2305566 Looking at Holland comments.

Posted by ogreslayer on 06 June 2012 - 09:16 AM

Start at goalie, it is the easiest to answer. McDonald will be gone and a UFA will come in. McDonald has zero trade value, so either will be cut or become a throw in on a deal. There are several veterans goalies that could be had this year. No major changes in the roster, cap, or status of the team. If possible I would try to extend Howard now, rather than risk him next offseason.

Who is this McDonald guy you keep talking about? The Wings have no such person on the roster. Oh, you mean Joey MacDonald? I seriously doubt he'll be cut or thrown in on a deal. He'll be put through waivers & either play in GR or the Wings lose him if another teams wants to claim him. So realistically, he'll be in GR splitting time with McCollum and/or Petr Mrazek throughout the season.

#2305199 Would you make this trade?

Posted by ogreslayer on 04 June 2012 - 02:59 PM

Short answer: No

Long answer: Noooooooooooooo

Helm is the straw that stirs the drink that is the bottom 6 as was seen in the Nashville series as soon as he went down. No way Kenny trades off Draper 2.0.

#2304424 Red Wings Next Captain

Posted by ogreslayer on 31 May 2012 - 07:18 PM

I say bring Homer back for one more year, give him the C, & watch hilarity ensue as refs across the NHL have to translate his Swenglish.

#2304323 Red Wings Next Captain

Posted by ogreslayer on 31 May 2012 - 12:57 PM

1. Zetterberg
2. Datysuk
3. Kronwall
4. Franzen

1. Zetterberg
2. Datysuk
3. Kronwall
4. 20. Franzen

Or maybe...

1. Zetterberg
2. Datysuk
3. Kronwall
20. Al Sobotka
4. 21. Franzen

#2304239 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by ogreslayer on 31 May 2012 - 10:36 AM

He should be a special guest there to speak for Lids. Damn the Lightning fans that get upset

Personally, I think Nick is doing well enough speaking for himself.

#2304012 Red Wings Next Captain

Posted by ogreslayer on 30 May 2012 - 06:42 PM

It's been obvious for years that Z is the guy. The question is whether they rotate Parise and/or Suter in as an A if they sign.

#2303844 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by ogreslayer on 30 May 2012 - 03:04 PM

Ryan Suter

Hopefully the first thing out of Kenny's mouth after Nick speaks is that he's traded for Suter's rights from Nashville & is pleased to announce a signing. Too much to ask?