So what you are saying is it's absurd for anyone to think Ericsson will ever become the caliber of player as a Datsyuk? Well...duh! Lol.
People were outraged at Datsyuk and Kronwall's contract at first, now they are playing above their potential, that's the point.
Ericsson will never be more than a #3 guy at best. But he will become a solid #4 and may even QB the 2nd unit on the PP in the near distant future. $3.25 is a bargain (in this current salary cap world) for a #4, potentially a future #3.
27 is young for a defenseman, people act like he's on the downside of his aging career. Lidstrom didn't even peak till age 30. Chara didn't even start putting it together til his 6th or 7th year in the NHL. Ericsson has played 2 seasons.
You act like everyone knew Kronwall was going to be a future 1-2 dman. It was projected, but nobody on LGWs believed it. NOBODY! - The forum was outraged.
Datsyuk and Kronwall both had done more to earn their pay day. They had leverage in their negotiations based on their performance AND their potential. Ericsson has surrendered leverage to Holland because of his poor performance and is getting a payday based solely on the hope that he might live up to some potential and maybe give them reason to think that he's not just a 5-6 defenseman. He will never be a #4 guy if he doesn't seriously improve his mental game and thus far, he has done nothing to suggest he'll magically get it together.
I don't know if you're just a big Ericsson fan, but you just seem incredibly biased here. You're bring all these other names into it but ignoring that while they were young, they actually were well on their way to performing at a level demonstrative of their potential. Ericsson hasn't come anywhere remotely close to doing that since joining this team as a regular. He's done nothing but struggle.
Now I full admit that I think he does have potential and I think he still has a chance to live up to it, but I think this signing is completely out of characteristic for the Wings and sets a terrible precedent. Better players have walked for less in years past. If E wasn't willing to take $1.8-2 million to be a Red Wing, Holland should have let him walk.
Holland should have made Howard the bar especially after his outstanding playoff performance. Howard's your starting goalie and he took a team-first contract, signing for less to stay and in return getting a chance to prove himself on an elite club. That's exactly what should have been put on the table for Ericsson. I would be 100% fine with a deal like that. And that's generous considering even with Howard's struggles, he's still had far more positive moments than negatives thus far in his career.
But a 3-year deal worth almost $10 million? That's just a stupid deal for the Detroit Red Wings. They never cared about the open market and it's served them well. If you're not willing to play ball within the system, go find a payday somewhere else. Better, more proven players have left for less than Ericsson signed for, even proportional to the changing cap. That's why this deal is a joke. It's less about Ericsson and more about setting terrible precedents.
The lot of you are shockingly spoiled. Which other team has had the success that the Wings had? Which other GM has brought success like Holland has? And now you feel that because of one bad move, because of one rough offseason, he should be fired. Fans of every other team tell me that they think Holland is the BEST. I feel pity for he and for others in the organization that so many of you have so utterly lost perspective, from so many years of success that they have given you, that you have lost the ability to be appreciative for the fact that you have a great team to cheer for every year.
DISCLAIMER: First of all, don't give me any lines thread crap. If you don't like my posts, don't click them. No one's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to do so. I like lines threads. Many others like lines threads as well. We're members of this forum. We have a right to discuss them. Unless you're a moderator, and unless new anti-line thread legislation has been passed...shut up and move on, or participate.
Second of all, this is my 'best guess' 2011/2012 Detroit Red Wings roster. It's not who I want. It's not who you want. It's what I think is going to happen. Babcock said we need to add a Rafalski replacement and a top six forward. I'm not getting into trades. The board seems to hold the general consensus that James Wisniewski and Brooks Laich are the best realistic options, so, I'm plugging those two in. I've also heard/read - several times over - that we want Brendan Smith to make the team next season, so I'm plugging him in as well. After we sign those two, and take care of some other necessary things, we'll probably still have enough to sign either Jagr or Ericsson (and I've outlined these numbers below). Right now, I'm thinking that it'll be Jagr.
Third, the real question - IS THIS TEAM, my 'best guess' team, GOING TO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THE STANLEY CUP? In my opinion, yes, there's no question about it. What do you think?
By my estimates, we're going to have about 12.9-15.9mil in cap space to work with this summer (depending on how high the cap goes)...
1) If we sign a cheap backup goalie (at about 1mil/season), and purchase the contracts of Smith (0.9mil/season), Emmerton (0.5mil/season), and Janik (0.5mil/season)...that'd leave us with 10-13mil.
2) If we sign Wisniewski (at about 4.5mil/season)...that'd leave us with 5.5-8.5mil.
3) If we sign Laich (at about 3.5mil/season)...that'd leave us with 2-5mil.
...at this point we'd have 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goalies under contract...and, more than likely, we'd still have enough to sign Jagr or Ericsson (but not both).
For some reason the good players whom Rangers have signed to huge contracts have not produced lately. So, has Drury really gotten that much worse or was it all Rangers' fault? On the other hand Drury never scored over 70 points in his career, but still got that contract. What did they expect?
The Rangers are going to join the American League, and needed a core piece. Drury is supposed to be their #1 pitcher.
I think it's more accurate to say that they hoped Hudler's performance around the time of the trade deadline would continue. I imagine they thought he'd finally found his groove again. Then he cooled down, was quiet down the stretch, and was very mediocre in the playoffs.
But hey, feel free to twist it around in your head as much as you'd like.
Babcock suddenly dumping Hudler, who had the team's hottest scorer in February, to the fourth line for the last couple weeks because Franzen couldn't do anything offensively is not a matter of Hudler playing poorly. It's a matter of "f***, we 'need' Franzen to be in playoff mode." And it never happened. Hudler outplayed Franzen even after he was taken off of Datsyuk's wing and Franzen was put back there. And in the playoffs. Franzen was terrible for the last few months of the season including playoffs.
Wow. This thread is still chugging along. Eva, I think you've broken a record for player defense threads. I can't figure your unwaivering loyalty to Huds but it is impressive. He should make you his agent.
I personally think his days are numbered as a red wing. If Holland can find a way to trade, waive, release him before his contract is up, he will.
I disagree. If Holland wanted to get rid of Hudler, he'd have been gone at the deadline because he was as hot at that point as any Wing was all season. Babcock wasn't using Hudler in a top-six role, so trading Hudler for a top-pairing shut-down defenseman and simply replacing Hudler internally in the bottom six with a grittier, more defensive forward like Miller or Draper would have happened. Holland, and perhaps even Babcock, think later December through the end of February is what they can expect from Hudler going forward. Not what they saw at the start of the year.