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#2179576 Hudler's Future

Posted by eva unit zero on 25 May 2011 - 01:24 PM

Being objective about Hudler is impossible for you, though. It's a Hudler thread, but if you want we can all band together and bring all your quotes from "non-Hudler" threads where he is still somehow dissected by you. Don't get bent out of shape because we are calling you on the same old nonsense. It's truly unwarranted.

I love how I am accused of not being objective about Hudler because I don't get irrationally angry about how small he is, or the fact he isn't a speedster. I have never claimed Hudler to be a superstar, I don't act like he's some kind of hero, but I get s*** on because I don't s*** on him. That's what's unwarranted.

#2179563 Hudler's Future

Posted by eva unit zero on 25 May 2011 - 01:04 PM

Sigh. Franzen's injury came in the second game of the series against Phoenix. He still outplayed Hudler.

Eva, I'm done discussing Hudler with you, and I'm done discussing Osgood with you. I'm not sure why, but you verge on fanaticism when you speak of them.

Hudler was just as effective offensively as Franzen in those two games, he just played about half the time Franzen did. And Hudler didn't make a huge defensive mistake that cost the team a goal right off the bat. Or do you only remember massive defensive mistakes when Hudler makes them?

Hudler may not have had a great playoffs overall, but he was better than Franzen when healthy, and better than Franzen overall.

#2179554 Hudler's Future

Posted by SouthernWingsFan on 25 May 2011 - 12:55 PM

For f**k's sake eva unit zero, you got to stop this s**t.

Explaining it another way is simple.


Give it a fricken' rest.

Franzen has more defensive potential than Hudler, you'll rarely see Hudler in there at the end of a game if the team is leading. You'll see Franzen over Hudler 99 times out of 100. You don't see Hudler play 4-on-4. You see Franzen play 4-on-4. YOU may claim or YOU may say he is a good defensive forward or above average or whatever, but coaches and people making the decisions think otherwise.

I will repeat...

YOU HAVE HUDLER BIAS in levels beyond unimaginable and annoying and you will not shut up about it. I like Hudler, it's cool that you like him, but seeing your absurd bias with him makes me want to (1) strangle you until you are temporarily unconscious and (2) see him not do well and not be here so there might come a time where you might actually shut up about him.

I. DO. NOT. CARE. THAT. BADLY. about you trying to prove that Hudler is better than he is or that Franzen was worse or that Hudler is better than Franzen or whatever numbers or stats you pull out of your rear end. And I think it's a safe bet plenty of other people in here share some of the same thought.

When it comes to letting things go regarding this, you have the I.Q. of a deck chair.

For the love of god and everything good and holy, give it a fricken' rest.

#2178789 Hudler's Future

Posted by eva unit zero on 23 May 2011 - 10:00 PM

Let's not forget that Franzen is faster, better defensively, more physical, and far more difficult to knock off the puck.

Let's look at three big defensive mistakes from the postseason. Franzen, Helm, and Hudler all let a guy walk in and receive a one-timer pass. I rank Franzen's the worst of the three, and Helm's the most forgivable.


Hudler experienced the exact same play as Helm, but the Wings were now ready for it. No excuse.

Franzen was the only one of the three who was close to the scorer, he could see him and the passer, yet he did nothing to prevent the goal.

#2179543 Hudler's Future

Posted by eva unit zero on 25 May 2011 - 12:37 PM

Franzen had a sprained ankle.

Nagging injury does not equal piss poor attitude.

And before you say "Well he shouldn't have played injured," pretty much anybody who can move a toe is going to attempt to play in the playoffs, I don't care if you are a first line super star or the towel boy. Really easy to say from the stands that somebody shouldn't play when you aren't the one playing or wanting to play.

Stinks that Franzen's injury couldn't improve but them's the breaks sometimes. That has jack squat to do with any attitude or character problems.

Franzen looked like s*** before his injury. For almost 30 games before he was injured. But it was ok, because "he'll show up in the playoffs" and then he didn't, even before he was injured. Forwards who played better than Franzen IN THE PLAYOFFS BEFORE HIS INJURY? Datsyuk, Helm, Filppula, and HUDLER. Yep, Hudler. Maybe you don't remember because his San Jose series was so much worse, but Hudler was a force in the Phoenix series. Franzen was effective in one game, and even in that game he made a defensive mistake just as bad as the one Hudler made against San Jose.

B-B-B-But Franzen was injured! Please, explain it away some other way.

#2179553 Hudler's Future

Posted by eva unit zero on 25 May 2011 - 12:53 PM

And... so was the rest of the damn team. Name one player that didn't have an above average series against Phoenix. I mean, Salei even notched a goal and looked good.

B-B-B-But Hudler had that stretch back in December where he was Christ in hockey skates, right? We are provided nothing from you b-b-b-but Hudler love, stop.

Hudler was one of the team's most effective players from Christmas until the end of the Phoenix series. It wasn't just a few games.

And my point was that Hudler outplayed Franzen during the portion of the playoffs Franzen was healthy for. And in case you didn't notice, this is a Hudler thread. Don't want to discuss Hudler, don't come into this thread. It's easy.

#2177488 Hudler's Future

Posted by eva unit zero on 19 May 2011 - 11:07 PM

Yet you think he can score 105 points over 82 games if he played with Datsyuk, who btw has topped out at 97.

I think he can score 105 points? It's certainly possible he could do it, but I don't think it would happen. What I have said is that in the eleven games he played with Datsyuk, he was on pace for a 105 point season. That's not the same as me saying "I think he would keep up that scoring all year!" but you don't seem to be one for accuracy.

I'm a little confused. Hudler only played 11 games in a top 6 role?
Also, you mention stats to support Hudler from previous seasons, yet when people show stats to support franzen you disregard them.

When have people mentioned stats to show support for Franzen? What stats?

#2176153 Ole-Kristian Tollefsen

Posted by VM1138 on 16 May 2011 - 08:10 AM

Leino would never had succeeded here. And it's not like he's a great player. Yeah, he puts up some numbers, but only when playing with other great players. He's also not a hard worker and not the kind of player to make his own points by working hard.

#2176151 Ole-Kristian Tollefsen

Posted by dirtydangles on 16 May 2011 - 07:53 AM

i CANT believe we let go Ville for this guy.. I dont know if it was a salary dump or they thought they were getting a good player? I wish we never parted ways with Ville

we can have him back next season. hes a ufa and philly has a lot of guys already signed. leino needs a pay raise from his 800,000 contract last season.

#2176091 Homer needs to be a 4th liner/PP specialist next season..

Posted by Echolalia on 15 May 2011 - 11:50 PM

For all the beef he gets, Homer plays incredibly smart hockey. He knows his strengths and weaknesses and he plays a style that maximizes the opportunity to use his strengths and minimizes the chances that his weaknesses will be exposed. He's the best in the league (still) in front and around the net and plays a smart cycle. He won't be the first guy out of the zone, but that isn't his job. In fact his job is usually quite the opposite: to hang down low until the puck definitively leaves the zone. There have been a lot of times where following an offensive zone turnover, the rest of our team bails and starts back-checking only for the puck to be turned over again just inside the blue line. The team knows to just get it deep because Homer is still down there and will be able to hold the puck down low long enough for the rest of the team to reestablish the zone. Most other teams just dump the puck (ie turnover) and fall back into the trap. I've seen Cleary, Bert, and Abby follow this pattern on more than one occasion as well.
Anyways, the rest of our forwards are pretty well rounded. When you play alongside Datsyuk and/or Zetterberg, you can afford to not be a great backchecker, or have strong playmaking/stickhandling skills.

I like what Homer can bring to the table. Still.

#2176076 Homer needs to be a 4th liner/PP specialist next season..

Posted by blueadams on 15 May 2011 - 11:02 PM

...am I alone in thinking that this whole we "must have a net-front presence - that is a bad skater and/or possesses limited offensive skills - on each scoring line" thing is starting to hurt the production of our top lines? and I'm not just talking about point-production either. it was almost laughable watching homer and bert trying to catch up with Heatley, Couture, Clowe, etc. on the back-check. I'd like to hear the board's thoughts on this.

If I'm Babs/Holland, after re-signing or replacing Ericsson, I'm putting most of our available cap-space towards an elite top-six forward (leaving a little bit to resign Eaves, Miller or a more physical replacement). Then I'm rolling these lines, and scratching worthless Bertuzzi on most nights.


#2174246 Red Wings have HEART

Posted by Heaten on 12 May 2011 - 10:46 PM

I love this team. They showed pure heart , resiliency and determination. Hats off to the best franchise in the game.

-No Franzen
-No Bertuzzi
-No Cleary

#2174622 Changes in the offseason

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 12 May 2011 - 11:58 PM

you are exactly what is wrong with red wings fans

You are exactly what is wrong with the human race.


#2174583 Changes in the offseason

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 12 May 2011 - 11:45 PM

I'm not so sure that Drapes and Ozzie have to go.

#2174526 Jonathan Ericsson Appreciation Thread

Posted by dragonballgtz on 12 May 2011 - 11:27 PM

Is "loathe" the new internet hot word? I seen it a lot lately in many different forums and posts around the internet.

Add one to Z as well. Without his f*** up the Sharks would have never gotten to 3 goals for.