Nevermind

Parise calls Datsyuk "my most favorite player to watch".

I was all excited about him coming back.  Now after watching him I dont know what all of the hype was about.  He looks like the same player we put on waivers.  I am hoping that the streak and his return are unrelated, and that I am being a typical overanalytical wings fan.

He definitely isn't the reason for our recent struggles.  But, he hasn't looked very good at all though.  I'm guessing he gets 2 games.

Here's a question...I hate the guy, but would any of you rather have traded the first for Steve Downie directly?  I'd still take Quincey, but not by much.

Hindsight of better/comparable players for each draft pick (I may have missed a few)

...yeah, I'm bored


2004

97. Johan Franzen
127. Ryan Callahan (as much as I like the guy, you can't argue Franzen's playoff numbers...we should have had both )

128. Evan McGrath
134. Kris Versteeg
150. Mikhail Grabovski

Nothing too bad for the rest of the draft.


2005

19. Jakub Kindl
21. Tuukka Rask
24. TJ Oshie
33. James Neal
35. Marc-Edouard Vlasic
41. Ondrej Pavelec

42. Justin Abdelkader
44. Paul Stastny (this one hurts)
51. Mason Raymond
62. Kristopher Letang (this too...)
72. Jonathan Quick
79. Cody Franson

80. Alex Rappold
85. Ben Bishop
87. Marc-Andre Gragnani
96. Chris Butler
101. Jared Boll

103. Mattias Ritola
105. Keith Yandle
108. Niklas Hjalmarsson

132. Darren Helm (perfect pick!)

137. Johan Ryno
142. Nathan Gerbe (I thought we were the ones to take chances on small players)

175. Juho Mielonen
190. Matt D'Agostini

214. Bretton Stamler
222. Kyle Cumiskey
230. Patric Hornqvist (last pick...Detroit style)


2006

41. Cory Emmerton
44. Nikolai Kulemin
46. Jhonas Enroth

47. Shawn Matthias
50. Milan Lucic (maybe we'd trade him for Bertuzzi anyways)

62. **** Axelsson
63. Jamie McBain
69. Steve Mason
71. Brad Marchand
72. Cal Clutterbuck

92. Daniel Larsson
99. James Reimer
112. Matt Beleskey
161. Viktor Stalberg

182. Jan Mursak
189. Derek Dorsett
196. Benn Ferriero

212. Logan Pyett (third-to-last pick)


2007

27. Brendan Smith
43. P.K. Subban (I prefer Smith though)

88. Joakim Andersson
97. Linus Omark
116. Keith Aulie
129. Jamie Benn

148. Randy Cameron
168. Carl Hagelin

178. Zach Torquato
194. Carl Gunnarsson


2008

30. Thomas McCollum
31. Jacob Markstrom (ouch...one pick later)
38. Roman Josi
45. Zac Dalpe
51. Derek Stepan
60. Jimmy Hayes

91. Max Nicastro
93. Braden Holtby

121. Gustav Nyquist (looks like he has the best potential)

The picks from now on are too hard to tell.


2009

32. Landon Ferraro
33. Ryan O'Reilly (really big loss here)
35. Kyle Clifford
46. Robin Lehner

60. Tomas Tatar (looks like a good pick)

Rest of the draft is too hard to tell.  Need to wait a few more years.  Same thing with 2010 and 2011 draft classes.

All in all, we've drafted pretty well since the lockout.  Looking back, we've definitely passed on quite a few gritty players for skill players that never panned out though.  But, you could just as easily look at it the other way for a lot of teams; they've passed on skilled players for gritty players that never make it to the show.

It's all a crapshoot.  But, I like our stable with Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, etc.

Should have been 200 years in prison.

See, you  started well talking about Flip, but then veered OT talking about  Franzen and lost everyone.....yes, you are correct he is our 3rd/4th  forward in terms of skill/points.  In terms of effort he is more like  12th/13th.  If he put in half as much effort as Dats/Flip/Helm etc he  would be an all-star.

Exactly.  Most of us complain about Franzen because we know he's talented enough  to produce much more.  If he really wanted to, he could be an elite player in the regular season as well.  Instead he tends to float for long stretches and looks bored.  Even tonight, he didn't do much until the end of the third period when things got interesting.  

Based on past history though, I'm sure he'll win us over in the playoffs.

Sorry I made a spelling error. I wasn't informed that I was participating in an online spelling b. I guess if I was you and had no comeback I would probably have to make a pathetic attack. I'm sure you triumph my bachelors degree and probably make 7 figures too hey? Let's keep this about discussing hockey alright? I have to be professional all day at work, I don't need that s*** here. <----- God, I am really going to contradict myself in this thread...... Oh well, I'm the f***ing man

Trump?  And if you're going to brag about your education, it might be worthwhile to put the apostrophe in "bachelor's degree".  And the cents don't count as part of the seven figures.  Besides, who actually says stuff like that?  

It's sad that this country's in a state where its self-proclaimed professionals have so little humility and intelligence left.  Then again, you do seem to share a lot of the same qualities as most investment bankers.

He still has to clear waivers before joining the Bruins.

So this means that the Isles will claim him to backup Nabokov.  

You do realize that Kronwall was developed by the Wings and came up through the AHL system?

Yes, but I was talking about defenseman developed recently.  As was haroldsnepsts' post.

Kronwall came into the NHL eight or nine years ago.  Not exactly a recent farm product.

Erickson is a defenseman that would be a 2nd pairing on many other teams in the NHL.  He is another player that has come up through the system.  

Then we should have signed that Erickson guy instead of Ericsson.  Maybe he actually plays physical.

Hope Bert gets healthy and finds his form again... Need him and Johan to find their game again

This is what's missing from their game right now.

Some people take sports too seriously and it wasn't even professional

A lot of us take sports too seriously.

But, we don't resort to cheating or intentional harm.

Depends on who the President is at the time.  

Then Tim Thomas refuses to acknowledge that the trophy even exists.

Home ice is the only thing that matters.  

Nobody's gonna be bragging about a Presidents' Trophy.  Well, maybe 'nucks fans since they're that desperate.

I wish I tapped Holland's phone right about now.  


"Papa John's?  Can you make a delivery?"

Considering who owns the team, shouldn't he get a hot-and-ready from Little Caesar's?  

Apparently we're interested in bringing him back (according to Bob Duff as referenced in one of the other threads...I haven't seen it for myself)?

Please Kenny, don't bring the logo hunter back.  I know we won a Cup and got to a Finals Game 7 with him, but he's definitely not what we need right now.  Too much of a perimeter player that constantly takes low percentage shots.  He could be clutch at times, but was usually just really frustrating to watch.  For whatever reason, Babcock loved him though.

I'd rather acquire nobody at all than get Sammy back.  If you guys feel the same way, maybe there's a slight chance the Wings' office will read this.     Haha...I doubt it.

Eklund, is that you?

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I still would not like Carter. I maintain that he would be a poor fit for the locker room. More, he will be difficult to trade if he does not pan out for two teams in a row.

Worse.  Three teams in a row.

I have to say again...Carter's not the type of player who would play with much grit or heart in the playoffs.  Despite his immense talent, he's prone to taking nights off and becoming invisible when the game gets tougher.  

At least Franzen shows up in the playoffs and doesn't have attitude problems.