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vladdy 100% agree with your post.. I remember the dead wings of the 70's, some fans just don''t know how good they have it.

My dad told me in the late 70's early 80's the Red Wings were called the Detroit Chicken Wings. Cause we were a bunch of *******. Maybe things haven't changed?

Nah like I said pipe dream for Doan.

Can Phoenix afford to sign him to a 4 year 30 million deal? If so HOW?

4-year deal worth $4.2 million per year, according to TSN. He's only 22, and will likely get some powerplay time this year, considering Jagr is gone.

Nashville is going to be struggling next season. They are going to be hurting on defense real bad now that Hal Gill is their #1 guy lol.

Only one of the teams you listed actually have 9  d-men signed, but don't let the facts get in the way of starting a thread.

All 3 have 9 D signed, do you want names?

My hope is given the developments today that Suter is done waiting on Parise to make up his mind and in a sense, forcing his hand.  If Suter signs with Detroit, all of a sudden we become even more attractive than the 90-100 million other reasons we're currently offering Zach.

Lets hope this is true. Suter seems more of a "no nonsense" type compared to parise who is whipped by his fiancé.

God I hope we land Suter.... Land him and trade for Nash.... Bingo!

Great news.  I doubt we'll see any decisions made today, though.  I've been looking forward to the start of free agency, but that's all this is: the start.  Could still be a long summer.

esteef

Well of course they fought more times in the playoffs.  They played more games Duh!

You can't compare teams that played fewer games with teams that played more games and get a valid statistical comparison.  That's like comparing the number or murders in New York with the number in Ishpeming.

How come it seems like almost every thread descends into a fighter/non-figher/toughness/soft/grit debate. I understand that the guys mentioned in Dreger's article would add some grit but still. . .

Because there are a lot of LGW members that yearn for the old days when there was more fighting in hockey.  That game is gone and many people on here don't want to accept that.

Very interesting stat from bottom article:

FEWEST

Red Wings -- 7 fights, 1st in West

Coyotes -- 11 fights, T-10th in West

Canadiens -- 11 fights, 11th in East

Hurricanes -- 13 fights, T-13th in East

Lightning -- 14 fights, 12th in East

Islanders -- 14 fights, T-13th in East

MOST

Rangers -- 38 fights, 1st in East

Bruins -- 36 fights, 2nd in East

Senators -- 34 fights, T-5th in East

Flyers -- 32 fights, 4th in East

Blue Jackets -- 32 fights, 15th in West

From the same article.

According to HockeyFights.com, which tracks these things:

In the 1996-97 regular season, leading to the Wings' first Cup in 42 years, the Wings fought 55 times and were 23rd out of 26 teams in the NHL. The Bruins and Islanders led with 90 fights. The Red Wings fought seven times in the playoffs, more than any other team.

In the 1997-98 regular season, the Wings fought 33 times and were 25th out of the 26 teams. The Canucks led with 105 fights. The Red Wings did not fight in the playoffs.

In the 2001-02 regular season, with a roster laden with future members of the Hockey Hall of Fame and other stars, they fought 21 times, the least of any of the 30 teams. The Panthers led the league with 117. Again, the Wings did not fight in the playoffs.

In 2007-08, the Red Wings again fought 21 times, the least of any of the 30 teams. The Flames led the NHL with 70. The Wings fought once in the playoffs

So we won those 4 cups even though we didn't fight.  Wow. The LGW fight slappies are not going to like that....

What I find interesting is how you pretend that your "opinions" are facts, it's strange.

By the way, no love for Brett Hull?  Or do you consider him Canadian and not American?

Ah, you're right. I did leave Hull off. That does push Modano out of the top five.

And btw, Frank Brimsek was one of the top two goaltenders in the NHL in the first eight of his ten seasons, missing two years during that span because of Coast Guard service. Modano is not even CLOSE to that.

Modano scored more points than LaFontaine, but LaFontaine's career ended early due to concussions. LaFontaine was considered among the top few centers in the league for a long time when Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman, and Messier were all in their primes. Modano didn't have competition nearly that stiff, and still spent less time near the top. His peak was also not as high. The only thing Modano might have had on LaFontaine is defensive play. And even that only came in a short five or six year span of Modano's career in the late 1990s and early 2000s; he was terrible defensively early on and for the last few years of his career.

Howe played at the same level through the 80s as Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey, both generally considered top-ten all-time defensemen and both in their prime.

Chelios won multiple Norrises and contended for many others, and was considered one of the league's top defensemen for fifteen years.

Hull actually has more 17 points in 230 fewer games, but is not American-born so Modano is still technically the leader in that category. Hull also has a Hart trophy and a Pearson award, while Modano has a Calder trophy.

So depending on whether you include Hull, Modano is either the fifth or sixth greatest American hockey player.

I don't know.  The swiping of both Chris Stewart AND Kevin Shattenkirk by St Louis from Colorado has to be another pretty big bit of evidence of grand larceny.  

To STL:

Stewart, Shattenkirk, 2nd rounder

to COL:

E Johnson (bust), McClement (career 3rd/4th liner), and a 1st



But getting anything more than a used bag of pucks and a lukewarm beer for Lebderp is a win.

Calling that for White is not bold. It's logical analysis.

Ericsson will steady his play and play more  physical, but he'll still be on the third pairing. He might even get  himself played out of the lineup if Kindl really breaks out.

Awfully bold to predict Franzen to have *another* 40+ year, when his career high is 34. Or awfully stupid.

Hudler having a 50+ season may be considered bold but is certainly not unreasonable.

Mursak will likely take Miller's spot by December.

Sorry, he was *on pace for* 40, the year he had 34... why don't you make some of your own instead of swinging from my coat-tails champ?

Or should I just make yours for you - "Hudler will score 164 pts and reach 50 goals, all while saving children from burning buildings and preventing world war"

Here is a topic for bragging rights, make your bold predictions here that you can later refer back to when/if you're right and claim your bragging rights, or eat your crow!

Mine:
- White will have a career year, putting up over 40pts and being very effective on the PP
- Ericsson will steady his play and post another plus year, as well as play more physical
- Franzen will stay healthy all year and have another 40+ goal season
- Hudler will actually bounce back decently and will post a 50+ point season
- Mursak will unseat Miller and will end up an everyday player by the end of the season, Miller being a healthy scratch most nights

and... GO!

Calling that for White is not bold. It's logical analysis.

Ericsson will steady his play and play more  physical, but he'll still be on the third pairing. He might even get  himself played out of the lineup if Kindl really breaks out.

Awfully bold to predict Franzen to have *another* 40+ year, when his career high is 34. Or awfully stupid.

Hudler having a 50+ season may be considered bold but is certainly not unreasonable.

Mursak will likely take Miller's spot by December.

---- EDIT By NFM25: This thread was created because I want to continue this discussion and it belongs in its own thread, not the one regarding the Ty Conklin Signing. ----

Did you watch the playoffs this past season?  That Jimmy Howard fellow played pretty good in them.

And   to re-signing Conklin if it is true.

plays like below is what I'm talking about



Shootouts are another story. In most of those Howard allowed two goals which is unacceptable.

PS BTW Couture scored exactly the same garbage in 2010 play-offs to win Game 3 for SJS.