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In Topic: Ovechkin Top 5 Goal Scorer all time?

28 May 2015 - 10:21 PM

Darkmanx....not sure where you get 0.45 GPG for Stamkos, it's 0.56 isn't it?  Quite a significant difference.  Also, in terms of Bure and Lindros, a good chunk of their careers came during one of the lowest scoring eras in the history of the game.  There was higher scoring at the first of their careers, but it trailed off significantly later in the 90s.


Lindros and Bure were ones that just came to mind as more recent and I agree that many might not think of Lindros as a goal scoring machine, but I think injuries played a big part in that, he score 40+ goals multiple times while also missing significant games.  I think he was scoring at a clip of 0.61 GPG over the first 7 years of his career (before major concussion troubles).


Sorry I messed up, I divided his assists instead of his goals.


Scoring when Lindros and Bure played is almost the exact same as it is now, hovering just above 5 GPG average yet Ovi is still averaging higher GPG then either of them did. Durability is also a huge role in this and you cannot take that away from Ovi.

In Topic: WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

27 May 2015 - 09:32 PM

I remember when Detroit used to play like these teams. Sigh.


I remember when Detroit beat one of these teams and really should have beat the other.

In Topic: At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

26 May 2015 - 05:17 PM

Ken Holland has been with the organization for 30 years.  18 of which he's been the GM.  He started as as scout, then the director of scouting, then the assistant GM, then the co-GM, and then the full GM.  It's not a coincidence that he was hired just prior to the Wings beginning an epic playoff streak. 
To try and dismiss his contributions to the organization as anything less than profound would be an absolutely gross understatement.  He's been more important to this team's success then any other individual. 
If you hire a GM from outside the organization, you can argue he's riding coattails.  But it's a little hard to say that about a guy who's been a member of the Red Wings longer than Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. 
To a lesser extent, this is true of Stan Bowman as well.  Sure Tallon was the GM before him.  But he started with Chicago in 2001 when they were a garbage team.  Unless he was just standing around playing with himself for 8 years he likely contributed to their assent.  Is he entirely responsible?  No.  But he's contributed from the bottom up. 
Yzerman doesn't deserve much credit for that first conference finals appearance as he had just come in from outside the organization and had been with the team for less than a year.  But he deserves credit for every single other success they've had since. 

People will always s*** on Holland and it's pretty sad. No one really knows what we have had the last 20 years until it's gone. He has an eye for talent and continues to pick the correct draft picks year after year. I mean Larkin could have probably been picked top 5 last year at the pace he's at right now. In my opinion he's a huge steal for us.

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In Topic: Ovechkin Top 5 Goal Scorer all time?

26 May 2015 - 06:57 AM


Interesting.  I've never heard of Lindros referred to as a great goal scorer.  I don't think he ever scored 50 goals. Or were you referring to points only?


After who?  Gretzky?  


You can't forget Bobby Hull, who would have scored more goals also had he played in the 80's, and had not went to a different league.  


I get that but how does that change if Ovi finishes 2nd that he isn't the 2nd best goal scorer of all time because Bobby Hull decided to join the WHA?


Ovi's 65 goals was scored in one of the lowest scoring eras in Hockey, at 2.78GA per game. If you prorate his numbers for the years Gretzky played that year it comes out close to 88 goals, 2nd best ever for a season.

In Topic: Ovechkin Top 5 Goal Scorer all time?

25 May 2015 - 09:20 PM

Why was Stamkos left off the list of how Ovechkin has dominated competition?  He's probably closer than anyone else in terms of GPG over the past while I would think.


In terms of pure goal scoring, I think Ovechkin has been one of the best for sure, so far.  However, I do think it's way to early to start projecting where he'd finish.  He's still over 400 goals behind Gretzky and I think it's pointless to try and extrapolate.  As an example, at the same point in Gretzky's career, he was at over 630 goals and he obviously finished nowhere near 1,200+


Bure was scoring at a higher rate than Ovechkin, but injuries caught up to him.  Lindros was up there as well.  If Ovechkin stays healthy, I think he'll get up there, but even if healthy, inevitable age will catch up to him and keep him short would be my guess.

Stamkos is at .45GPG, not even close to Ovechkin.


Also we cannot compare Bure, Lindros or any of the other era's to this one. This is by far the hardest era to score in and Ovi continues to make it look easy. If Ovi finishes his career with 750-800 goals, he is easily 2nd best goal scorer to ever play.