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#2608879 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 20 May 2015 - 12:53 PM

If you are a Detroit Red Wings fan, you should be very proud of Ken Holland for doing what he just did.


"Money will not be an issue" - yet we were always the lowest bidder in an attempt to resign Mike Babcock (while knowing him better than anyone). To me, I don't see this is as blind arrogance, but as a brilliant play by Holland to say and do what he had to - knowing the process would end with Jeff Blashill coaching this team for the next decade. I honestly am more excited with this information than I would have been had we re-signed Babcock, and lost Blashill.


Babcock is a good coach, and should be praised for his Stanley Cup here - but his resume only shines with accomplishments that were legitimate expectations as well. He inherited Nick Lidstrom, Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg in their prime - yet only took us past the 2nd round of the playoffs in 3 out of 10 years he was in Detroit... (2007,2008,2009). In 2007 we had the most regular season points in the league, and one of the best teams on paper - and we certainly had the best team on paper in both 08/09.


Blashill has coached professionally for less than 6 seasons - and if he wins the Calder Cup this year (which isn't a stretch) he will have 3 championships to show for it. He has also developed more than half of the current Detroit Red Wings roster (who won the Calder Cup 2 years ago), and has since developed players like Pulkinnen, Anthanasiou, and Marchenko the same way he developed the likes of Nyquist, Tatar, and Sheahan. This guy just continues to do it, and seems like he gets more out of these players than Babcock has - albeit at the AHL level.


I don't think we lost the Mike Babcock sweepstakes, but won the Jeff Blashill award.

#2608878 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by marcaractac on 20 May 2015 - 12:53 PM


Toronto is where you go to die in sports.


Jays - 22 years since last WS, 22 years since last playoffs


Leafs - 48 Years since Stanley Cup


Raptors - Never won a damn thing.


CFL: Nobody cares

#2608869 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by GoalieManPat on 20 May 2015 - 12:50 PM

Howard Berger ‏@Berger_BYTES 11m11 minutes ago

Can't confirm, but told in email from source #Leafs offered Babcock dual role of GM and coach. Why not, huh?


Lol if this is true then add it to the list of things Babcock said he wanted that ended up not being true. 

1. Biggest thing is where family wants to be. - Family wants to stay in MI

2. Money doesnt matter - Takes massive contract

3. Wants to win - Toronto is terrible

4. Is a coach and doesnt want to manage - Toronto offers coach/gm role.


Toronto it is!

#2608851 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by amato on 20 May 2015 - 12:46 PM

Tod Hess @railfan514 2m2 minutes ago

Babcock's Wife: "I want you to have more time off."

Babcock: "OK, Toronto it is."

Hahaha well at least Twitter will be entertaining :P

#2608823 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by marcaractac on 20 May 2015 - 12:27 PM


Yesterday Bob McKenzie said Toronto is out for sure. There was articles in the paper today about Toronto losing out on Babs.


Just goes to show everyone is just grasping at straws for that media attention. 

#2608812 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Euro_Twins on 20 May 2015 - 12:22 PM


It's official guys without it being official he's going to toronto for a ton of money and will help them pick a gm and help in trading players etc...

It's happening

Not worried about the leafs

how is it "official"? Yesterday he for sure wasn't going to the leafs, today he for sure is going to Toronto?

#2608796 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by RedWingsRox on 20 May 2015 - 12:04 PM

Bit of a shocker, all along it was Det and Buff ... now this morning, Det and Buff are out and it is Leafs, Blues, or Sharks ??!!


Out of those 3, I think Blues would be his best option if he truly wants to win now.  Shocked that Toronto is still in the mix.  

#2608717 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Euro_Twins on 20 May 2015 - 09:36 AM

Buffalo offered Mike Babcock $30mil for 6 years.


#2608706 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 20 May 2015 - 08:34 AM

With the latest offer appearing to be somewhere in the neighborhood $50M over 10 seasons (with one rumor putting the total offer at $60M after additional incentives), how could you blame anyone for leaving? I'm at peace with the result either way, but my guess would be Babcock to Buffalo. They made him an offer he can't refuse, and as much as I'd like to lament another top-end free agent going elsewhere because Holland didn't want to pay market prices, we really shouldn't expect them to match.


A $50M+ offer for a head coach is a desperate offer made by a desperate franchise, with no viable alternative in their system, willing to do anything to succeed and in sore need of a win. The Wings are not nearly in such a desperate position, and with many already believing the team could benefit from Blashill's fresh perspective, Babcock is commodity that the Wings feel no need to overpay for. Of course the Wings want him to stay, he is likely the best coach in the world, and in many ways if he does come back, I would expect him to do so with renewed conviction. If Babcock turns down obscene money to stay with the Wings, it would be a clear statement that the Wings aren't going anywhere, a massive morale and PR boost for the organization.


If he does leave, it appears clear that the money was too good to pass up. Clean break, no hard feelings. The Wings will be forced to turn a great page and move on to the Blashill era. And honestly, I think that is the best way for it to happen. Blashill leading the Wings in the NHL is still an unknown quantity, and the organization seems both nervous to move on (especially from a coach like Babcock) and hesitant to lose another great coach/personnel person they've trained to another franchise (McLellan, Maclean, Nill, Yzerman & half of his staff).


I'll likely be happy whatever the outcome because I know the Wings will have a great coach one way or another. But I will say this: Babcock @ $5M < Blashill < Babcock choosing Wings over Money.

#2608708 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by Firefighter4WingedWheel on 20 May 2015 - 08:45 AM

MB said he would know if the morning.  Anybody know what time his morning starts? I'm getting antsy here. :lol:


I'm torn on this issue.  Everything that I'm feeling has been said on this board ad nauseum so I won't re-hash, but I'm fine with whatever outcome. I just want it to happen so we can move forward.

#2608645 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by number9 on 19 May 2015 - 06:48 PM

I like Babcock.  I think he has achieved allot with some below average teams.  My impression (just reading all the same stuff everybody else does) is that he would really like to stay, but just doesn't see the team as competitive as it needs to be.  If I am being honest with myself I don't think this team is worthy of a top coach.  Too many holes, Hank & Pav are just too old.  It is the end of a great era.  I have my doubts but I am hopeful that Holland can add a couple of the right D & a few forwards within the next three years.  


At the end of the day Babs will have to move on if he wants a crack at a team that isn't going to limp into the 1st round and actually has a shot. 


So the Buffalo Sabres?



#2608635 Question for the Board regarding Babcock

Posted by RedWingsRox on 19 May 2015 - 05:27 PM

Did we really need 2 threads on Babcock?  Isn't one enough?  

#2608588 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by ami on 19 May 2015 - 01:38 PM

if you add these 3 tweets together he literally just said nothing

:D It also means reading tweeter is a waste of time.

#2608565 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 May 2015 - 12:43 PM


Haven't seen this posted yet... about an hour ago, Kypreos chimed in


Nick Kypreos @RealKyper  ·  1h 1 hour ago

As of 24hrs ago growing spec' Babcock and #Redwings would have a S.J type "mutual decision" to part ways. Will be interesting next 24hrs



Why would Babs part ways with the Wings since we have Suter?  Kypreos said that was a done deal. 


He's just throwing more speculation on the fire in hopes of looking like he had a scoop.  

#2608390 Free agents this off season

Posted by wings87 on 18 May 2015 - 04:26 PM

I'm ready for the offseason to start, can these teams stop playing 7 games? Lets get the season over with.