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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

25 August 2016 - 09:08 PM


#RedWings Tomas Jurco had "minor" back surgery last week, hurting himself working out. Out 4-6 weeks. Might not be ready for start of season


#RedWings expect Niklas Kronwall to be ready for start of camp. Knee feels better, not 100 percent, so he withdrew f. World Cup, per Holland


#RedWings D prospect Vili Saarijarvi will have wrist surgery, sidelining him for three months, Ken Holland said. Hurt in Plymouth tourney.


So much for a roster crunch lol



We're done.

In Topic: AA

07 August 2016 - 12:26 PM

Don't even think it matters what line he's on in this coaching system. We have 4th liners getting as much ice time overall than some 3rd and 2nd liners. Including 5 on 5 times. 


This is what needs to change. The 4th line should be played as a 4th line, not as a 2nd or 3rd line. Blashill needs to learn from last year from our putrid offense that things like that won't work.

In Topic: AA

07 August 2016 - 08:57 AM


In theory, yes, it is. But the Red Wings take it to a ridiculous extreme. We are (or, at least, should be) a team in transition, not a perennial contender. Overripening is something we need to be moving away from.



What we've seen with Jurco -- and the fourth line in general -- is boneheaded usage. I'm ok with using Jurco on the fourth line if we're trying to roll four scoring lines. I'm not ok with slotting Jurco on a line with Miller and Glendening. I'm not ok with using the fourth line as a sacrificial "shutdown" line (i.e. we hard-match it against the best players in the league) when its centerman is Luke Glendening and one of its wingers is a redundant grinderbangershotblockerpenaltykiller.


Our fourth line could be Jurco--Athanasiou-Mantha and we could roll four dangerous lines. Ideally, at least two of those players are playing higher in the lineup -- but, point is, we need to rethink everything we think we know about a professional hockey team's fourth line. We need to stop associating fourth lines with grinding and banging and killing penalties and trying to shut down Sidney Crosby and Patrick Kane and Connor McDavid. Fourth lines are allowed to be scoring threats. You don't (necessarily) need a "defensive fourth line with real good defensive players and real good defensive defensiveness."




"The big thing in today’s game is you have to be able forecheck and backcheck, and you have to have the puck," Sutter said over the weekend (h/t Ryan Lambert). "You can’t give the puck up. We don’t play in our zone, so there’s not much defending."


The numbers back him up. LA takes 56.9 percent of all even-strength shot attempts in their games, an effective way to measure puck possession. That's more than any team in the league. Last season, the Kings were at 58 percent. That was more than any team in the league. In 2011-12, they were at 54.9 percent. That was less than only the Pittsburgh Penguins — and the Kings wound up winning the Stanley Cup.


So, Sutter would seem to be an authority on the topic: Don't mistake dominance for "defensive responsibility" or physicality. Having the puck is the most important part of the game.


“I’ve coached in three decades now and this stuff where they said Marian had to play in (former Minnesota Wild coach Jacques) Lemaire's system is a bunch of bullcrap," Sutter said.


"The game’s changed. They think there’s defending in today’s game. Nah, it’s how much you have the puck. Teams that play around in their own zone (say) they’re defending but they’re generally getting scored on or taking face-offs and they need a goalie to stand on his head if that’s the way they play,” said Sutter.


Add that to from Edmonton Oilers coach Dallas Eakins earlier this season:


"You know what the perfect game is? The perfect game is no hits. You know why that is? It's because you have the puck. You don't have to hit anybody. You have the puck."


And this from a member of Team Canada's gold-medal winning team:


"Our defense were pretty good at skating themselves out of trouble, but I think everyone talks about our defensive play — we just have the puck for most of the game. I think we possessed the puck, and we were able to control the puck a lot in the offensive zone. When you do that, teams don't get a lot of time or energy to come against you.


"Defensively, there's no doubt that we backtracked really hard when we needed to, but I think that's something that's preached on every team and something that's important to every team winning. … I think on the flipside, you see the effect that playing the offensive zone has, and you want to make sure that that's something you continue to do (in the NHL)."


That was Sidney Crosby.


On the other end of the spectrum, you have the Wings, who are obsessed with "defensive responsibility" and "being able to play without the puck" and having "grit" and being able to block shots and kill penalties and *bangs head on table repeatedly*. The Wings used to be all about high-end skill. Now they're all about blue-collar blue-collarness. And they wonder why we can't put the puck in the net.



I've actually defended the front office on these very grounds (albeit, in a devil's advocate way). But, lately, I'm really starting to question The Plan. It sounds great in theory, and, sure, you can point to a supporting piece of evidence here and there. But, really, what you're saying is "Have blind faith in Team Holland and everything will be ok. You don't understand now, but one day you will." Which is 1) almost more pretentious than anything that even I would say, 2) somewhat ignorant of recent history, and 3) wonderfully trusting (bordering on naive).



Ken Holland is the general manager. Jeff Blashill is the head coach. Jeff Blashill works for Ken Holland.


A couple years ago Mike Babcock wanted Xavier Ouellet on the opening night roster. Babcock said that if it were up to him, Ouellet would be on the opening night roster, but he -- Babcock -- was allowed to cast only one vote, while Ken Holland was allowed to cast "two." Babcock's point being, Ken Holland has the first and final say in anything and everything personnel-related and Ken Holland knows it. And this, to me, is a problem, because it's Ken Holland, whose way of doing things represents and perpetuates everything that's wrong with the Red Wings today. He is an arrogant dinosaur who is struggling mightily to reconcile his way of doing things with the harsh realities of the cap era. As a result, we haven't won a damn thing in close to a decade, and right now we're probably at least three years away from being a serious contender.


The Wings, under Ken Holland, are all about treading water, selling tickets, getting a little bit of playoff revenue, and then repeating the whole cycle again. They're about maintaining the status quo, not truly moving forward.


I'd totally forgotten about Street. Good call.


Still, y'know what I'm saying.


Ken Holland is the GM, he drafts, trades and builds the entire roster for AHL and NHL.


Blashill is the coach, he determines the lines and who is going to play.


Don't let blind hate get in your way.

In Topic: AA

07 August 2016 - 05:35 AM

Holland isn't the coach, Blashill is. It will come down to training camp and who Blash wants on the team.


The hate for Holland is strong that he gets blamed for things not in his control lol.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

03 August 2016 - 07:36 PM

Solution: Trade Everyone!