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#2682999 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 July 2016 - 04:19 PM

yes. I found a thread in HFBoards that's filled with the best gifs and pics. Most of them are Flashy G's
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I found my avatar pic there too


Flashy Is An F'ing Genius. I love how Babcock takes a little peek over at you real quick after he turns aroubd! Masterful! I wished he'd come back!


#2682929 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by kickazz on 11 July 2016 - 06:33 PM

Same people bothered by the trade would have called for Holland's head because we would be stuck with $7.5 million cap hit and no Vanek or Nielsen.

It's hard to support anti-Holland crew when they blame him for everything from contracts to Global Warming.

Datsyuk wanted to leave? Must be Hollands fault.


#2682928 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 July 2016 - 06:30 PM

If Holland didn't make that trade and we were still stuck with Datsyuk's contract, with little to no activity on July 1st, it would be the exact same people b****ing and moaning. Just imagine how much backlash there would be if Stamkos did hit free agency and he went to Buffalo because we didn't have the cap space to sign him.

I don't think there's any question that today Chychrun is more skilled and more developed than Cholowski. My first reaction when we were trading the pick was "pissed" too, but after hearing what the trade entailed, I was stoked. It was a great trade, and you make it every time in that situation. Who knows how it will look in 5-10 years, but hindsight is 20/20...


#2682917 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 11 July 2016 - 04:55 PM

If we didn't trade Datsyuk's caphit, we probably wouldn't have Nielson or Vanek. I would be interested to see what the criticism level would be like around here in that case. No one will know for a while what we missed out on with Chychrun, so I think speculating can only go so far.

 

I think it's interesting to compare this trade to the 2013 draft trade where we similarly moved down in the 1st round. 

 

2013: down 2 spots (18:Mirco Mueller - 20: Anthony Mantha) + we received a 2nd rounder (58th: Bertuzzi)

2016: down 4 spots (16:Jakob Chychrun-20: Dennis Cholowski) + we received a 2nd rounder (53rd: Hronek) + we got rid of Pav's caphit + took we took on Vitale's caphit)

 

If you take out the part about the 2 contracts switching hands, the 2 trades look very similar if you look at pick numbers. We gave up a higher 1st round pick in 2016, but we received a higher 2nd so that compensates a bit. Haven't seen any complaints about the 2013 trade and we didn't even get rid of a big contract as part of it. 

 

But, obviously, the difference is that we ended up with the higher ranked player (Mantha ranked 15, mueller ranked 16th in the consensus top 30) (Chychrun ranked 12, Cholowski was honourable mention - just outside the top 30).

 

As a sidenote, I don't think we can guess that we would have picked Chychrun. Both Chychrun and Fabbro were ranked higher than 16th and Stanley was taken 18th, so there were D choices and our choices often deviate from the rankings (cholo, bertuzzi are examples).

Holland trading the 16th pick and the Defense man that they desperately need were traded for one single year of relief of Dats contract should wake the rest of them up.  The Jets got a great defense man with our 16th pick.  Holland is the worst part of the Detroit organization, has delayed their rebuild and continues to do so.

We made the trade to Arizona not the Jets - Or maybe you're referring to them as the relocated Jets? Also, the trade was 16th+Dats for 20th+53rd+Vitale. To simplify it to Dats for Chychrun is very misleading.




#2682883 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 11 July 2016 - 05:55 AM

To me it would seem that he knew this team wasn't going anywhere and he knew he was still young enough to have a chance to play with his countrymen, so that's probably the reason why he went back.  And to me, I'm perfectly fine with that. 




#2682871 Shea Weber for Pernal Karl Subban

Posted by PredsFanTheBayouState on 10 July 2016 - 08:43 PM

CmtkDfWWgAAcsCA.jpgYou can see the regret in his eyes


I see the yes,I'm finally with a team that will love me in his eyes


#2682654 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by NerveDamage on 08 July 2016 - 04:48 PM

Pavel Datsyuk writes open letter to Detroit Red Wing fans

Dear Friends,

 

I am blessed to have received an offer to continue my hockey career at home with SKA in St. Petersburg. It was a difficult decision to retire from the Red Wings and NHL, but in my heart, I believe it is the best decision for me an my family.

 

“My decision was not an easy one. Your support of the Detroit Red Wings and of me personally has meant so much to me. I arrived a young man that few had heard of and I am leaving with so many offering their kind wishes, love and respect. I am so thankful. You have provided so much for me and my family and I will be forever graceful to the game of hockey, the NHL, the Detroit Red Wings and most importantly, to you, our fans.

 

“With the reality that I will no longer be a Red Wing or playing in the NHL, I realize there are a lot of people I would like to personally thank.

 

“I also want to especially thank Mr. and Mrs. Ilitch and the entire Ilitch family for all their support over the years. They are tremendous owners and I loved playing for them. Similarly, I owe a great deal to Ken Holland for his understanding and support during the last few years in particular, but really throughout my career. Ken and the entire organization have always treated me well and he, together with all of the organization, are a major reason why every player in the league wants to play in Detroit.

 

“I would also like to thank all of my teammates. We have had many successes, and many times fell short of our goals, but it has been an honor and privilege to play by your side.

 

“I also want to thank all of my coaches, in particular Mike Babcock for his support, wisdom and guidance over most of my career and Jeff Blashill for taking over and leading us to another playoff year. I am confident that Coach Blashill will have a high level of success and will continue to add to the great history of the Detroit Red Wings.

 

“Finally and most importantly, to the fans of the Detroit Red Wings throughout Michigan, the United States and Canada (as well as those in Russia and elsewhere). I so appreciated your passionate support over the years and truly enjoyed playing for you. I loved playing in Detroit!

 

“From the bottom of my heart I thank you all for everything.”

 

 




#2682581 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by Echolalia on 07 July 2016 - 07:42 PM

i mean the year before we were 1st place the majority of the season




#2682571 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by krsmith17 on 07 July 2016 - 06:16 PM

It starts with roster management by Holland, alleviating some of this log jam. Then it's Blashill's job to ice the right players and find line combos that work. I'm not sure I have full confidence in either right now... The coaching staff looks to be much improved, hopefully they can get the special teams figured out...


#2682554 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by kickazz on 07 July 2016 - 03:49 PM

oh trust me this kid will be paying debts for a while

 

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#2682540 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by Echolalia on 07 July 2016 - 01:49 PM

Where is the "All of the above" choice?


 

When we lose, will you pay your debts?

oh trust me this kid will be paying debts for a while

 

:(




#2682306 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by NerveDamage on 05 July 2016 - 05:11 PM

Emdog was the greatest red wing ever. Or at least he would have been. Holland screwed that one up

EmDoge



#2682299 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by Echolalia on 05 July 2016 - 04:36 PM

Don't be mad brah Holland forgives you


#2682298 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by TheXym on 05 July 2016 - 04:29 PM

lol why are you so mad?


I think his Axe to grind is stemming from the Drew Miller signing and letting Emdog leave. ;)


#2682281 For the Kenny apologists, what Holland move would change your stance o

Posted by kickazz on 05 July 2016 - 02:19 PM

Horrendous post. Step your game up, seriously. Are you 12 years old? Lots of RW fans defend Holland all the time, cite his rings, etc. Jesus Christ.

I think almost everyone here agrees that Nerve is a phenomenal poster while you... lol let's not get into that. Great thread title btw.
 
Let's reverse the question. What would it take for a Holland hater to stop hatin'