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#2519585 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 May 2014 - 10:41 AM

you had me until you said Franzen put up elite numbers...

#2519499 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Shaman on 06 May 2014 - 06:31 PM


This is very accurate.

And depressing.

#2519489 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Guest on 06 May 2014 - 06:11 PM

Hossa got 30/30/60 this year with +28. That tops every Red Wings player. Arguing superstar vs. Elite is semantics. Arguing Franzen vs. Hossa, though, is laughable. Hossa is the dominant player by a wide margin.

#2519189 Was Legwand worth it?

Posted by DickieDunn on 04 May 2014 - 06:23 PM

In the long run no, he was quiet in the Playoff, but so were many other players. Time to shake up the roster


Datsyuk wouldn't have scored with Legwand's line mates either.

#2519043 Now some gritty forwards.

Posted by Richdg on 03 May 2014 - 10:08 AM

Just because guys don't fight or do it very much doesn't mean they are not gritty. All of the guys listed are Abby size or bigger and most if not all hit more than he does. They all go to the corners, in front of the net etc... Also, like I mentioned before all can skate. last thing, most of these guys are not going to cost an arm and a leg to get. Reasonable trade can be made. You also never know what they can develop into. a 23 year martin that has always been on a checking line could develop into a 20+ goal scorer playing with a guy like Datsyuk.

#2519022 Now some gritty forwards.

Posted by RyanBarnes! on 03 May 2014 - 01:57 AM

I like Prust from Montreal.

#2518932 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Son of a Wing on 02 May 2014 - 05:20 PM

This Niskanen talk is just silly.  If you can add a legitimate top 4 defenceman for free you do it. 



When Sproul gets traded and becomes a Weber or if Ouellet is traded and becomes a Keith we will all be kicking ourselves (obviously not guaranteed to happen but could). We are NOT a Niskanen away from being a cup contender - I don't want to lose them for nothing due to lack of roster space. Holland can't afford to waste any of our current assets because the only thing we have of value in excess is our prospects. If we mismanage them and end up losing on a few trades then in 3 years when Z and Dats are gone/regressed we will be a bottom feeder. If we are trading our kids in GR it better be in a package for a sure thing - that way if we end up trading a future star we at least got a top calibre player in return. 


I've never understood why people say this. So because he's not the final piece to put us in contention we shouldn't add them at all? How do you ever expect to get to contention??


I see you said it's because you don't want to lose young players for nothing but that just doesn't make sense.  Depth is positive, not negative. Besides I think they learned from the Quincey waiver/trade debacle.

#2518866 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 02 May 2014 - 12:02 PM



Zetterberg was top 3 in scoring for the first two months before his injury. Datsyuk was top 10. Alfie was top 30 at one time during the season as well.


We don't sign high offensive players (since Hossa). If we got Vanek this offseason I would bet he scores 30-40 goals and gets over a PPG. It's hard to score a lot of goals when you have dmen that can't move the puck at all (Quincey, Lashoff, Kindl). When we had Lidstrom, Rafalski, Kronwall, Stuart we were top 10 in goals for every year.


Agreed.  That's my point.  Our team doesn't maximize offensive talent because we don't have the philosophy or system to do so.  Load the team up with offensively talented players and they'll all factor into each other's production.  It's no secret that Datsyuk's two best offensive years were when he had highly talented wingers to pass to.  It's also no secret that Zetterberg's best offensive year was when he was the one "being passed to".  If you're not willing to get those types of guys, or play those types of guys, then you're not going to optimize offensive potential, which is exactly the point I'm trying to make.  Doesn't mean you can't win, just means you better win the New Jersey way.

#2518456 Wings will buy out Tootoo, not Franzen.

Posted by Richdg on 30 April 2014 - 08:24 PM

We can buyout TooToo anytime. We don't have to waste our compliance buyout to do it. 1.9 million doesn't matter to us-we have plenty of cap space. Buy out FRANZEN!!!!!!!!!!!! He is dead weight.

#2518470 Wings will buy out Tootoo, not Franzen.

Posted by Z and D for the C on 30 April 2014 - 09:45 PM

People with sense knew this


People with sense also want Franzen bought out.

#2518071 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by RedFlag85 on 28 April 2014 - 07:36 PM

Would you buyout a 50-60 pt player at 4 million?

In his case yes.

He's going on 35, with 5 more years on his contract. He's declining, and will continue to do so, plain, and simple. Will he be worth 4 million per year at 38-40 years old? Highly doubt it. If you're lucky you may get one more 50 point season out of him. Keep in mind he's never had more than 59 points in a season. He's also had quite a few injuries over the last few years, including concussions.

Besides the reasons I've listed above, he is lazy, and unreliable.

Tell me, if you were the GM of another team, what would you give up to get Franzen?

#2517687 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Guest on 27 April 2014 - 03:50 PM

"Lazy" "Floater"

I still don't buy into those excuses.

He's never been fast. He's never been physical. He's average at D. He has a good wrister.... So basically when he's not scoring he's going to look pretty invisible no matter what u do. He isn't Zetterberg or Datsyuk. He doesn't have elite top line skills like them that get you noticed even in a slump. And that's why he's not paid like them.

He does have those skills for about 10 games a year.  Which is why he gets the criticism.  You see this big hulking guy out there with a wicked shot, skating hard, throwing his body around, going to the net, backchecking, being a pest.  The whole package.  Then there's the other 70 games of the year.  


Luke Glendenning scored more goals than Franzen in the playoffs and Franzen makes 8 times as much.  Alfredsson scored more goals in less games than Franzen in the regular season and made less money.  So if you want to compare stats...........  

#2517605 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by Shinzaki on 27 April 2014 - 12:28 PM

Hockey isn't purely an exercise in statistics...you can't look at Franzen and say "he got us 41 pts...OK"    You have to look at the actual games.  He's shown NOTHING in the playoffs the last few years and his production in a major portion of the regular season was equally poor.   You simply cannot have a guy getting top six minutes sleepwalk through the majority of your games..   Send a message to the team about consistency of effort and dump him now...

#2517601 What Happened to Nyquist?

Posted by Richdg on 27 April 2014 - 12:20 PM

Several things happened.

1. Less ice time.

2. Other teams adjusted to him.

3. he was shooting at a rate that nobody can maintain. Finished at 18.3%. Crosby and Ovie were around 13% just for comparison. He had to drop back to normal at some point.

4. Lines changed up again.

5. Keep in mind he isn't very big. Down the stretch play gets tougher and harder every game. I am sure he was a bit worn out. 

#2517504 Was Legwand worth it?

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 27 April 2014 - 12:24 AM

Oh god I'm so sick of the Jarnkrok talk already