This trade gives the team a shot at staying in the hunt until we get players back. If Weiss and helm return sooner rather than later, at least we can ice a good enough roster to win some games while dats is out. If dats can play in three weeks we have a solid forward group to finish off the season and hopefully go into the playoffs with.
Sure on paper we probably overpaid. But hey, I'm sure management knows something that we don't. I'm thankful that they didn't give up on the season and didn't sell the farm to do so.
Its a bummer we didn't get a top four dman, but this defense got the job done in the home stretch last year and I have faith they can do it again with a little luck with the injured players.
We got a center who can contribute on both ends of the ice. It gets a fourth line center off of our top line. Its also a player who wants to be here, and has shown in the past he can be clutch when called upon. Here is to hoping a lot of crow is eaten by seasons end!
Legwand is a mid 30s 3rd liner ufa ....you trade jarnkrok type prospects in blockbuster deals not in legwand type deals .... Habs gave up less than us and got a 30+ goal guy
Like I said the Isles had a weak position to trade Vanek. No one would give up much for a guy that they knew 100% had to be traded. And we didn't need Vanek, we needed a center. Eaves has zero value, and if rumors of Jarnkrok's desires to go back to Sweden had reached other GMs he probably didn't have much value either.
The trade isn't as bad as it serms if you settle down a bit and look at it rationally.
Howard has 13 wins in March. It hasn't been completely his fault, and he's battled injuries. But that just isn't good enough, especially when you factor in his numbers. Really, if not for Gus, we'd be completely out of the race. With so many guys out of the line-up, Howard needs to be good every night. And his top pair (Kronwall-Ericsson) can't have albatross games out of the blue, points are too important.
So, what do you suggest. Stand pat, do nothing, do not try to improve? Kesler is MUCH better than Andersson, Weiss and Glenny. And whether you like to believe it, way better than Helm.
No, I do not WANT Kesler at the deadline, but I do WANT to improve our team and if it takes trading Helm in order to do so, then trade him. As a matter of fact I do not even like Kesler and his Avs-loving, Ohio State arse...heard he was a prick in High School as well. But I do like making our team good enough to win.
Maybe I should say those players are REPLACEABLE. Is that better?
I'll bite on Erhoff and say that the Sabres could benefit from Almqvist, Ferraro/Andersson and then a piece like Jensen with a 3rd round pick, but I wouldn't pay more than that for him. As far as Kesler goes, if the Wings get him, I will likely cancel my Gamecenter account. That's how much that diving piece of trash is worth to me, not worth trading my favourite player behind Z and Dats for either, aka the best 3rd line centre in the NHL. Z will be back in time for the last week or 2 of the season, quote me on that. Weiss will return very soon. Also, you can have Helm centre the 2nd line for now with Franzen, whom is playing lights out his past 20+ games centre the top line, keeping the whole kid line intact. Then you have Glendening on the 4th line. Say you make the move I stated and Weiss comes back Thursday after the trade deadline, you have this: (with Dats out for a week just for arguments sake)
Alfredsson-Helm-Weiss(ease back in on the wing with Helm doing the grunt work)
Smith-Quincey (though I hate this pairing and wish we'd trade Q to the B's and bring up Ouellet)
Add Z and Dats to that team and you're in good shape. Nyquist has been on another level lately, Tatar is justf****** awesome and exciting and that whole line is great and Helm seems to score like a 2nd line C when he plays 2nd line C, kinda weird, but we'll take it. He's due for an outburst. Glendening can't buy a goal, but he plays like a young annoying Maltby and skates like an animal, so he gets my nod for 4th C pretty much for good, maybe on the wing should Helm move down.
Our team is good, but there's no sense in mortgaging the farm for Kesler or any rentals. We still have to find out what Pulks, Jarnkrok and Mantha can do up here as well, along with Ouellet, Sproul, Marchenko and even Backman on D. I'm going with the thought that we don't need any more veteran presence than Z, Dats, Alfie, Kronner, Ericsson, Erhoff, and Mule and we need to keep the young legs in there to keep the team moving and to learn from the useful vets we have.
I say yes to a D-Man...and maybe a FWD if the right deal pops up. Rumor has it that the Wings are one of 3-4 teams that are in serious talks with VAN for Kesler...but even if a Boyes or Jagr presents itself I think Holland will move on it...within reason of course.
DO NOT MOVE Sheahan, Tatar, Nyquist or Jurco. Thank you.
The guy has a couple injury issues and you cast him aside as expendable?? That's like all the people on here saying Weiss sucks and to trade him despite his groin and sports hernia injuries hampering his physical ability. Helm is no more expendable than any of the guys on your DO NOT MOVE list, though I'm not surprised you think that because you want Kesler the tumbleweed at the deadline. Hilarious...
This is why we make a deal with Buffalo and not Vancouver. It would only take picks and prospects, not roster players. sure they'd probably have to take 1 or 2 of our bad expiring contracts as well (as they'd probably need to to stay above the cap floor anyway if they sell off everyone).
If they're taking back bad expiring contracts they're going to want even better prospects in return, who do we part with, Sproul, Ouellet, Backman, Mantha, Mrazek? Not to mention our 1st rounder.
What happens if Datsyuk decides he can't play on his injured knee any further and gets shut down for the year. is our team even with Ehrhoff good enough to make the playoffs missing both the eurotwins? Then we'd be in a situation where we'd have a lottery pick for the first time since its been in existence and it would be Buffalo's.
Unfortunately we're caught in limbo between being a buyer and a seller and generally its smarter to do nothing in that situation.
I'd go for Erhoff. Solidifies our top 4 and we can let Quincey walk in the offseason. Much needed offense that doesn't stop dead after the first pairing. Get him for cheap with that huge contract. We have a log jam of prospects ready to make jump to NHL with no room. Just makes too much sense
Legit question here...when people say "Yzerman didn't pick the team by himself" do they mean that he had input from other people but had final say on the roster or was there something special about Team Canada's selection that took some selection power out of Yzerman's hands?
It was a committee of people. Yzerman had the final say, but it wasn't him sitting home in his man cave or Buffalo Wild Wings drafting a fantasy team. Babcock and everyone else had input too.