I do find it amusing that teams like Toronto, or Buffalo honestly believe that paying Babs that much money is going to be a game changer. It's not a coaching change its a damn structural change these organizations need.
Babs knows this just as well as we do. Let's not kid ourselves. If he leaves Detroit for Toronto or some other inferior team, I'm almost positive it's because he just wanted to get out of Detroit, not because he could go far with other teams. No smart coach in their right mind would see any benefit of coaching these atrocious organizations. His best option isn't even offering him a position. (Pittsburg with the two best players on their roster Crosby/Malkin).
Sorry Mr. Babcock, but you've got some s***** job offers so far. Almost as bad as the free agent selection pool in the entire NHL.
Ahh, yes. I can see where this thread is heading around July 5th. Holland tries to sign all top FA's, but they don't want to come here. Thus the Fire Holland threads start because people didn't get there way.
Please say it isn't so ... heard on local talk radio that Toronto might be a front runner with north of $5m/yr for 5-6 yrs. If true, then I lose some respect for Babs for making $$ the #1 thing. Not like he was going to be struggling with any other offers on a team with more pieces that are closer to winning it all. If Toronto, he will need all 5 or 6 years and more to get that sh*tty team anywhere close.
On the other hand, if Babs wanted to stay in Detroit maybe this is his not so stealth mission to steal inner secrets from other top teams
If it's Canada media reporting this, then it's the complete opposite of what they are saying.
Kronner does not have a capable slap shot from the point, therefore he is not elite.
I'm kind of kidding there, but IMO here are d-men who are better than Kronner.
Keith Yandle - No
Brent Burns - No
Dustin Byfuglien - No
John Carlson - No
Denis Wideman - No
That's 18 I'm comfortable with and then you can add Justin Faulk, Victor Hedman, Dougie Hamilton, Jake Muzzin, Aaron Ekblad, Tyson Barrie, and T.J. Brodie to pass him soon. Admittedly my list is offense-heavy, but our blueline produces zero offense.
Kronner is never going to be what we wanted him to be.
Seriously though, the guy has a pretty weak slap shot.
Did you forget the defense part of the position? The guys I edited are definitely not all around better then Kronwall and there is a still a couple other questionable ones on there as well.
the fact he is looking at other options to me means he is on his way. If you are happy in your job/work you dont go looking for alternative employment. Im not saying he shouldnt do it, it just sends me negative vibes that he'll be here next season. The wings front office have stopped any team from talking to Blashill which also sends the signal to me that they fear Babcock is on his way and they want Blashill as his sucessor. Babcock works with the AHL roster pre-season only so i dont see how that warrants 10 years!?, anyway im not here to argue mute points just expressing my feelings on the situation that has arisen. But if Babcock is still the Redwings head coach come Sept then ill be very surprised.
No it doesn't, not at all. Have you never negotiated a new salary and used comparison between companies before?
If your current employer offers you 3.5 million per year and another offers you 5 million per year. What are you going to do? Just accept the 3.5 million because you are "content" or "happy" where you are working. No, it's like Kickazz said, you explore other options, you go back to your employer and you explain, hey I can get 5 million from another company can you offer me a little more then the 3.5 million? Go from there.
He is the Wings number 1, like it or not. As I've said in the past, the issue with Kronwall is that he does everything generally well, but doesn't excel at any one aspect of the game to set him apart. He doesn't have the size, the speed, the strength, the shot. Another thing that hurts the perception of Kronwall is that other Nik guy.
Losing babs for say someone other than Blashill could actually bring a whole different change. Coaching style is an important aspect in this league. If we end up with the likes of Tortorella (just an example), that could dramatically change the locker room and on-ice work ethic and discipline.
Our best bet is Blashill because he's been groomed to work in the same system as Babs. I still think Babs is the best option. Except of course the options are his to take not the Wings.
The point is, there will definitely be a change in atmosphere with a new coach. Good or bad, who knows. But a coaching change does have an big impact. Especially in this league.
I agree 100%. My post was directed at us using Blashill 100%, and if Holland goes and signs anyone else my god...
"Has the Detroit diamond finally lost it's shine?"
Not yet. Holland hasn't stopped pumping the tires. The Locker Room interview, he said we were leaking oil.
This would be the equivalent of Vancouver fans saying in 2002, "We could have beaten the Canes in the Finals". Same thing with Nashville in 2008.
Teams that win the Cup frequently have scares in the early rounds. Not saying TB will win the Cup, but you get the point. I can't see us beating Montreal because we suck against them and against Price.
Sorry to break it to you but what Detroit did in the first round was not some fluke. TB got shut down by the Wings and really should have lost the series if the Wings didn't screw up game 4 with 8 minutes left.
They've done it to Crosby and Malkin, they've done it to Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan, they've done it to Toews and Kane. What players are the common theme here...
Boston fired their gm and there's a very good chance they will fire their coach too. Just making the playoffs isn't good enough for them.
The penguins fired their gm and coach last year for underachieving and let's not forget they have won the cup more recently than us as well as making it past the second round more recently than us.
The Kings just won a cup last year so their situation isn't really comparable. They are allowed a free pass. But I bet if they miss the post season again next year there will be another gm and head coach vacancy.
The point is other franchises don't accept making the playoffs as good enough. We shouldn't either. Over half the teams make the playoffs. Just making it means you're little better than average.
We're 6 years removed now from a deep post season run. Think about where you were 6 years ago and how much has changed since then. It's a long time. And it's an eternity in sports.
Holland had made plenty of great moves yes. But he's also made plenty of bad ones also and he deserves a good amount of the blame for our post season failures since after all it's his job to run the team and everyone ultimately answered to him. Does that mean we fire him now? No. But the seat should start to be heating up at this point. You only get so many free passes.
There is so much wrong in this post, I won't even bother.
I will leave this though. Comparing a team that made the playoffs 24 years in a row, never picking above 15th in a quarter of a century to any other team in the Playoffs is beyond pathetic, they all would trade positions in a heartbeat.
Wings took Tampa to 7 games this year, and should have really won the series. They would have beat Montreal as well. Wings really sucked last year, but we were missing Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Ericsson plus it was the kids first playoffs. The year before that we took out Anaheim in 7 games, then we went on a took Chicago to 7 games OT.
In case you didn't notice, we are still a team that every single team does not want to play in the playoffs when we have all our players. Lastly I will leave this.
24 - Red Wings (Best pick, 15th overall last year)
8 - Pittsburgh (4 top 5 picks in the last 8 years, including 2 1st overalls)
I would take a Cup this year if it meant missing the playoffs next year.
Versus making the playoffs both years and losing each time in the first round.
I think anyone would take a cup and miss the playoffs.
I'm just saying, the parity of the league shows you can win a cup one year, then miss the playoffs the next. Or you can finish the season as the "best regular season team" (Bruins) but the next year miss the playoffs. Detroit isn't a dominant Hockey team anymore, and neither are the other 29 teams.
The only constant is Detroit still continues to make the playoffs while all 29 other teams miss them - which in it's own regard is highly impressive.