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#2674963 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by krsmith17 on Today, 10:49 AM

Four years is an eternity in professional sports? Seriously? In what sense? I'd love to hear your rationale on this...

 

"The ship" is not sinking. How difficult is it for some people to understand that we are in the process of a "rebuild"? We are and have been in the process of transitioning from the vets to the youth over the past few seasons, and we've still made the playoffs every season since then. But that's not good enough. People want us to fade from the Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall era to the Larkin, Mantha, DeKeyser era all while winning Cups every year along the way. It's completely unrealistic expectations.

 

I'm sure not a single Red Wing player, management or fan is at all happy with the end result of any of the past five or so seasons. However, the players, management and most reasonable fans understand that there is a process we need to go through in order to get back to the top. Some think we should completely "tank" and others are quite happy to see us continue to make it into the playoffs every year, continue developing the young talent, and eventually we should be in a good enough position to make some moves and turn this team back into a contender. I believe that should start this season. We should make a trade or two to upgrade our defense, continue to transition from the vets to the youth, and squeak into the playoffs for the final year at the Joe. After next season is when we should start to see some huge changes getting ready for the new, highly controversial Little Caesar's Arena. In short, I think this team has a very bright future, I am very happy with where we're headed, but no I am not content with just making the playoffs every season, and neither is anyone else...




#2674950 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by WingedWheel91 on Today, 08:33 AM

We haven't realistically competed for a cup since 09.  That's now SEVEN YEARS.  Expecting a team to compete for a cup once in 7 years is not asking too much nor does it make us "spoiled fans".  You want to know what fan base is happy just making the playoffs?  The Maple Leaves.  Is that who you want to be?

 

Here's what your missing:

 

If we're talking about the Salary Cap era, you can argue that the Red Wings were at (or near the top) of the "Stanley Cup favourites" list from 2007-2013 - Yes, we had a couple of early round exits in that range, but so did many of this years "favourites" in Chicago, Anaheim, and LA... it happens annually in the NHL.

 

The difference is that when our run began in 2007, almost all of the teams you would consider as front runners this year (Washington, LA, Chicago, St.Louis) did not qualify for the playoffs. If you go in depth, Chicago had a run from 1998-2009 where they only made the playoffs once, and didn't win a single round... Today they represent the modern day dynasty, and model of success. The LA Kings had a stretch 2002-2012 where they only made the playoffs once, and didn't win a single round. The Capitals didn't win a round from 1998-2009 - and missed the playoffs entirely in most of those years. The Penguins? They were a ping-pong ball away from bankruptcy and relocation.

 

What we have accomplished is extremely rare, and something I will always be proud to hear: We haven't missed the playoffs in 25 years. Let's not forget that the teams we envy today, spent (on average) about a decade out of the playoffs, mixed in with the odd 30th place finish. If you understand the salary cap and the fact it's working, how can you complain about the results we've had?




#2674788 Name That Band

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 01 May 2016 - 05:21 PM

Rage Against the Machine

Spanking Mrs. Weasley


#2674558 Fixing this mess....

Posted by Son of a Wing on 29 April 2016 - 09:58 PM




#2674540 Blashill

Posted by kickazz on 29 April 2016 - 07:41 PM

Tatar took responsibility upon himself and didn't really blame the coach.




#2674543 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Buppy on 29 April 2016 - 08:51 PM

 

 

Hold on Hold on.

 

We are 11 (ELEVEN) years removed from the Salary cap being institutied.

We are 5 years removed from Rafalski retiring. 

We are 4 years removed from Suter signing with the Wild. 

 

Are people seriously still trying to throw up these excuses?  That's pathetic.  If you can't adjust to something in 4 years you failed.  Period.  Let alone 11 years.  That's a joke. 


 

We haven't realistically competed for a cup since 09.  That's now SEVEN YEARS.  Expecting a team to compete for a cup once in 7 years is not asking too much nor does it make us "spoiled fans".  You want to know what fan base is happy just making the playoffs?  The Maple Leaves.  Is that who you want to be?

Actually, based on historical evidence, expecting to compete for a championship even just once every seven years is asking too much. Most teams will have periodic down times, often lasting that long or much longer. I would also say that we were in fact realistic contenders from 2010 through 2012, and maybe even 2013 given how those playoffs went. Maybe not among the top few favorites, but at least 2nd-tier.

 

Teams that are good will eventually come down. I would wager that every single team that is a contender this year will not be so every year for the next 15+ years. Most will probably not have more than a few years being near the top.

 

Things change with time. It's the nature of reality. Being happy that we can contend for the playoffs during our worst stretch in more than two decades doesn't mean we will always be happy with that result. To even suggest it does is short-sighted and foolish. We are near the point now where the old regime is either gone or declined past the point of relevance. We have several young players promising enough to give us reason to think we will start trending back up in the near future. We're still missing a few pieces, even if what we have already pans out, but we're also in better position to gain those pieces.

 

But whatever. Not going to waste anymore time now. This conversation has been had countless times over the last few years.




#2674542 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Son of a Wing on 29 April 2016 - 08:44 PM

 

 

Hold on Hold on.

 

We are 11 (ELEVEN) years removed from the Salary cap being institutied.

We are 5 years removed from Rafalski retiring. 

We are 4 years removed from Suter signing with the Wild. 

 

Are people seriously still trying to throw up these excuses?  That's pathetic.  If you can't adjust to something in 4 years you failed.  Period.  Let alone 11 years.  That's a joke. 


 

We haven't realistically competed for a cup since 09.  That's now SEVEN YEARS.  Expecting a team to compete for a cup once in 7 years is not asking too much nor does it make us "spoiled fans".  You want to know what fan base is happy just making the playoffs?  The Maple Leaves.  Is that who you want to be?

 

You obviously have a ridiculous idea of what "adjusting" means...lol




#2674499 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Richdg on 29 April 2016 - 03:23 PM

Thoughtful.

Nope. But true. Please I am not attacking anyone personally, so don't take it that way.




#2674479 New arena construction updates

Posted by marcaractac on 29 April 2016 - 02:25 PM

Though I've loved going to the Joe, the concourse had all the soul and atmosphere of a parking garage. I think the Joe was objectively a pretty crappy arena: inconvenient parking, trough bathrooms, UGLY from the outside, the inconvenient staircase entrance on one side, those shady portal walkways to get to the rink (went there with my Grandpa and he had trouble with the all the walking it took to get there), in a desolate part of town (maybe too harsh, but little is around it and it isn't a warm feeling part of town).

 

People learn to love those dingy aspects and call them character, but it was time for a change. History comes with time passing. I'm sure The Joe was criticized for it's modern design at some point. 

 

It seems as if the only thing about an arena Wings fans care about is the name of it. I'm glad all I give a crap about is the experience I have while I'm there. 

 

I also think the LCA is a pretty decent nickname for the place. Not the end of the world, as some make it seem. 

 

The whole thing reminds me of when a website like Facebook changes. Everyone flips out, complains for a week, then forgets about it. Come puck drop in October nobody will care any more. 




#2674448 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by derblaueClaus on 29 April 2016 - 11:58 AM

Fixation on this "less is more" quote is too redundant.

 

It's taken completely out of context and quoted wrong. He said "less can be more exciting" and as I understood it Holland said that in regard to the league as a whole , not specifically for the Red Wings. He also made clear several times that he wants to improve the Wings, but that it is going to be difficult and a long term process. Overall the presser this year was probably the one in which he was the most critical towards the state of the team. 

 

This article is not even close hitting the nail. It's far more close to the thumb......




#2674443 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 29 April 2016 - 11:13 AM

Nonsense. This is why the article is a "fanpost" and not by one of the actual writers of WIIM:

 

"Lifetime fans of the organization – especially those of younger generations – no longer have confidence in the team. It’s clear that this is exactly what Holland intended"

 

Yes, Holland has intentionally sought to undermine fans' confidence in the team. Dumb fan post is dumb.




#2674470 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by NerveDamage on 29 April 2016 - 01:55 PM

along with the new arena, LC is also sponsoring the future Red Wings 3rd or alternate jersey

ChOStMuWMAEXV74.jpg

credit to @NickRobbins23 




#2674343 Mantha

Posted by marcaractac on 28 April 2016 - 08:02 PM

It was an issue because it was so joakimf****** Andersson can have a roster spot. That's the pill that is hard to swallow. If Jurco was given a fair shot, little would complain.


#2674370 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kliq on 28 April 2016 - 09:12 PM

That is below average size. Also there is no way in the world that Helm is 6ft tall or 200 pounds. He is about 5-10 and 180. The RW's have increased his size over the last 2 years. Guys don't grow in the mid/late 20's. Helm does check, but there is no weight or force behind it. People fear his speed not the impact that he brings.

 

Wrong on both accounts.

 

Helm is 6 feet tall, 196 pounds

https://www.nhl.com/...en-helm-8471794

 

According to hockey graphs, the average NHL player in 2015 was just over 6 feet tall (73.1 inches) and 201.2 pounds.

https://hockey-graph...5-a-brief-look/




#2674357 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by Euro_Twins on 28 April 2016 - 08:40 PM

$5 says you were in diapers when that song came out in 1988.


Getting a little chippy are we?