Prob dillusional cause I'm a die hard wings fan but I'm gonna choose to be optimistic and say we will surprise the hockey world (minus most wings fans) and get some luck with the injuries for once and have our kids step it up big time and finish 1st in our division
Zetterberg datsyuk weiss Franzen Tatar nyquist will all get 20+ Goals (2 of those 30+)
Sheahan jurco helm will get 15-20+
One or 2 of ouellet sproul backman marchenko will be a regular by seasons end and solidify our defense
In my opinion non red wing fans and media underrate the wings because they love prospects and the next it team however wings fans clearly overrate the wings so it should be somewhere in be tween
I would disagree with this. I believe most Wings fans right now are completely underrating the Wings due to the frustration they have with the style of re-build the Wings are undertaking. Some fans have expectations of immediate results, and the fact that we have not been contenders for a few years just eats away at some. You cant read a single thread on this board (which is filled with die-hards) without reading how how "Holland ruined this team".
I think fans underrate them, I think overall the media are somewhere in the middle.
Posted by kipwinger
on 29 September 2014 - 03:49 PM
My point was that people tend to overrate prospects and it's incredibly hard to predict how they will fare in the NHL, even for professionals.
Like these future Red Wings:
"He is a man amongst boys sometimes. He's not overly physical, but he takes the man and plays the body and he's got a little chip on his shoulder at times. But he's more of a skilled guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (December 2005) "He's gotten stronger. He still needs to get a little bit stronger, but at training camp, he came close to making the team. He was definitely good enough to play and stick there. He's the kind of guy who plays better with better players. Down the road, I would think he's going to be a top-four guy. He's good on the power play and he's a real smart kid." -- McDonnell (October 2006)
"He's got very good hockey sense, good stick skills, and he's a Red Wings type of player, the way he thinks the game. We think he's a top two line player. Like with all kids, he needs to improve his strength. He needs to work on his leg strength and get his skating a little bit stronger, but it's just the maturing of the body." -- Red Wings assistant general manager Jim Nill (June 2006) ... "His hockey sense is his best asset. He's a very smart player. He's just got to get bigger and stronger, but he's a pretty well-rounded guy." -- Red Wings director of amateur scouting Joe McDonnell (October 2006) ...
That's Kindl and Emmerton.
I hope these young guys turn into NHL d-men, I just don't think you really can tell too much until they get time with the big club.
I get what you're saying but I think you're over simplifying a bit. I mean, scouts lauded Emmerton and scouts lauded Nyquist. But it would be silly to suggest that there's no telling which of the two would be a better NHLer until they get to the big club. You could tell by their AHL careers who would be better before they ever touched the NHL. One dominated that league, and one was average. That's all I'm saying about these d-men. Jakub Kindl in his best AHL season wasn't as good as Ryan Sproul just was as a rookie. Does that guarantee that Sproul will be stud NHLer? Absolutely not. But it's a pretty good indication that he'll be better than Jakub Kindl. I don't think it's fair to say "we don't know until they get there". We know how these guys project, and we know how far along their developmental trajectories they are based on how well they're playing against their current level of competition. So I think it's safe to draw SOME conclusions from that. Not guarantees. But certainly conclusions.
Posted by Mckinley25
on 25 September 2014 - 11:43 AM
Let's be honest, the only reason people defend fighting is because they want to watch fights. There's no statistics on cheap shots that I'm aware of, but I suspect the frequency hasn't changed because of the instigator rule or the refs or anything like that. In fact, and this is just based on my own experience of watching hockey from the eighties on, I believe cheap shot have drastically declined.
If injuries are up, particularly ones like Datsyuk suffered, it's likely because the game is so much faster and the players so much stronger. The game is changing, because the players are getting better.
Fighting in my opinion is an just a useless distraction from the game that should be abandoned with other sport antiquities like segregated baseball teams.
Some people don't get it and will never get it. Maybe once Pasha, Z and Danny are out for a longer period of time, some wwill finally understand easy point but I doubt it so whatever.
Like I've said do that against Kessel and the story ends with Scuderi leaving the ice very soon... but now Pasha - our best player by far - is out for at least a month and Scuderi is still fine.
One of my biggest problem with the game today is all the bs "revenge" for clean hits. He got him in a bad spot and hit him hard, but it was clean. Sometimes you get hit, sometimes you get hurt. There was 0 on the play to take issue with. If you really think we should have enforcers to stop the other team from hitting us you need a reality check. You want no hits and fights? Go watch soccer and then boxing. Pretend it's one sport.
Posted by DickieDunn
on 24 September 2014 - 05:51 AM
Weiss won't get chemistry with anyone else by playing wing either. Also I'm not sure he's ever played there. I think that they're better served with him at center as long as he's healthy. Also, you know Cleary will be on the lineup a lot early on so he can get his bonus. I just hope he starts on the 4th line.
We made it, but that doesn't make us playoff caliber. At no point, besides maybe game 1, did it look like we had a chance in that series.
I think making the playoffs is the definition of playoff caliber. It sounds like you are talking about being a Stanley Cup contender. I'm not denying our poor performance in the first round last year. Though I think that was more so due to match-up then anything. I don't see us performing like that against Pittsburgh. Not saying we win, but we definitely do better.
Either way, this is all semantics, we are a playoff caliber team.