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#2685046 Patrick Roy steps down as Head Coach and VP of Hockey Operations

Posted by kliq on 24 August 2016 - 09:49 PM

Hell of a goalie. Top 5 of his era, i'd say top 3 along with Brodeur and Hasek, with Belfour and Joseph behind them. As a coach, meh. Some greats are just meant to play and retire and leave the game behind, while few are able to transition very well to coaching/management/league executives. Later Patty.


Not sure I would say "meh". He had a very good career coaching in the Q, and in the NHL he has already won the Jack Adams. Sure his last 2 seasons were not the best, but lets put this in perspective, he has only coached for 3 years and he took over a team that did not make the playoffs for 3 years.

#2685032 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Son of a Wing on 24 August 2016 - 04:29 PM

Well that's two players injured right off the bat. Pulkinnen and Jurco 


Not to mention they're the two guys who need to prove themselves the most.


At least we could probably get away with sending them both to the minors for conditioning stints.

#2684762 Patrick Roy steps down as Head Coach and VP of Hockey Operations

Posted by kickazz on 13 August 2016 - 10:50 AM

Roy's anger issues always got the best of him. Guy acts on impulse and that's why he probably ended up rage quitting.

#2684883 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 August 2016 - 07:06 PM

Beyond that, nobody said every prospect SHOULD be traded, or that a top prospect should be traded for a small upgrade. But that's where a GM needs to have an understanding of his own talent pool, so you know you can trade Fleischmann or Matthias but not Datsyuk or even a guy like Homer.


Which is exactly what we did.  Traded Fleishmann and Matthias, but not Datsyuk and Homer.  So what are you complaining about?  You're advocating for the EXACT trade strategy employed by our current management.


Also, I wouldn't go touting the Fleishmann trade as if it was some kind of ideal.  We gained Lang, who underwhelmed in two seasons, and lost Fleishmann and a pick (that turned out to be Mike Green).  We'd have been MUCH better off not making that trade.  Which is EXACTLY my point.  The grass isn't always greener when trading prospects for established talent. 

#2684895 AA

Posted by krsmith17 on 16 August 2016 - 09:24 PM

I never really put any players in the same pool or made any comparison between them. I've said that I still think Zetterberg is a top 6 talent and shouldn't be dropped to the 3rd line. I've also said being moved to the wing, rather than playing center should keep his legs going longer into the season.

#2684845 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kliq on 15 August 2016 - 05:48 PM

So you would trade prospects for middle pairing defenseman? There's no top 2 D-man in the league that's available for trade from what I'm seeing. Why stack up on middle pairing D-men? We already have a lot of those. 


And at one point, Cabrera was like the Ovechkin of baseball. Bad example. 


Agreed....I dont think many people would be complaining if we traded AA or Mantha for someone like PK Subban. Using Miggy is an awful example as he was an elite MVP caliber talent.

#2684829 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by WingsallTheway on 15 August 2016 - 07:32 AM

We can't really compare Larkin and AA right now because AA didn't play 80 games at the NHL level. (or at all)


Larkin started off blowing everyone out of the water at the beginning of the season, but he started to slow down. This could have just as easily happened to AA and I think we are going to see exactly what kind of player he will become this upcoming season. I think people really under value the ability of players to play 80 games consistently


Having said that, I'm just as excited about AA as I am with Larkin. I think we have two different types of players here, but AA is probably the closest thing we will get to Datsyuk for a long time

#2684696 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by joesuffP on 11 August 2016 - 08:12 PM

I'm sure the players take pride in the streak as well.... If the wings were to tank LGW would be irate demanding they fire Blashill/Holland

Fans in general want their cake and to eat it too or... They'll just find something new to complain about

You think if we were a lottery team but Mantha, AA, Bertuzzi and everyone was playing it would be all la di da... It would look really ugly with these hyped prospects looking very bad. Maybe if we had a team like that Larkin wouldn't have emerged and pretty much changed the outlook of the future

We have a lot of young guys just blossoming into their NHL careers or entering their prime. I think Holland has had a good outlook on the future while ensuring they're a competitive playoff team. It's not like he's trading all our youth for vets and going all in on a bad team. The only struggle here is the kids have a lot of competition to make the team but they are definitely part of the future

#2684676 Patrick Roy steps down as Head Coach and VP of Hockey Operations

Posted by krsmith17 on 11 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

Sakic, overrated? Seriously? Why do fans that hate opposing teams have to hate every player on those teams? The Wings Avalanche rivalry is long over. Not a single player involved remains on either team. Why do people still hate them so much? I guess for the same reason they still hate the Penguins and Crosby... or should I say "Criesby".....

Burnaby Joe was a beast in his day and to say otherwise is flat out wrong...

#2684595 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 August 2016 - 06:02 PM

Don Cherry the jazz player, because the other one can't very well roll over in his grave yet...😆

#2684568 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 08 August 2016 - 06:30 PM

Alright, truce. I'm not going to try to convince you. I wasn't even arguing that Glendening is the better producer than Draper - Just that he's in line with the production of our Grind Lind, other than their few outlier years.


Just take another look at Draper, Maltby, Kocur's McCarty's stats and you'll see each only has a few years when they each contributed significant offence. I didn't even need to bring Glendening into it. Usually those players were 20 pts or lower.

If anything your points made me realize Glendening needs better wingers and the 4th line could be even better. So in a way you convinced me of something. Helm- Glendog - Sheahan. I still think that would be one of the best in the league. 

#2684518 AA

Posted by NerveDamage on 07 August 2016 - 10:31 AM

I think you will see the team transition to a Tatar-Nielsen-Abdelkader line taking on the top scoring threat lines. They can score but they also stand to play excellent defense. Nielsen is one of the best in the league.


Ideally I would like to see two forwards and a defenseman moved for a top D. Even if the team had to roll out Helm as a 2nd line center for a year...

Tatar-Nyquist-Sproul are young enough to generate a lot of interest in other teams as a package.

Larkin on the third line whilst Tatar and Nyq on the 1st and 2nd respectiely? sorry Charlie, no sale

#2684504 AA

Posted by kickazz on 06 August 2016 - 10:01 PM

I just find it hard to believe they'll send Ott down after signing him as a free agent. I think it's going to take a few months before that happens. I could be wrong though. 

#2684492 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 06 August 2016 - 05:09 PM

Maybe it stopped a few years ago. I just remember in discussions about Suter, Parise, and Vanek signing there, people kept mentioning that a motivation was because they had such a good prospect pool. I never really looked into it, so maybe it was bs even then. 


I don't really trust those kind of lists. It seems that it's just based on opinion.


P.S. I'm guessing you meant Mathews with Toronto - man, it would be insufferable if Toronto got McDavid.


You're right.  I don't remember exactly what year it was, but within recent memory Minnesota's prospect pool was ranked really high.  I'll try to find a link.


Edit:  Another thing, a lot of this has to do with the Canadian hockey media protecting Canada's hockey relevance.  If your team has a bunch of Canadian kids they know, then you must be good, because they know them.  Surely no foreign kid that they've never heard of could be as talented as your cousin's neighbor's son.  He's a known quantity.

#2684438 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 05 August 2016 - 03:26 PM

I spit out my drink when I read this. What an insult to Mantha.

What, no trade yet?

A guy who scores 25+ goals and 55 points a year is a bad thing?