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#2566106 1/27 GDT : Red Wings at Florida Panthers, 7:30 EST

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on Yesterday, 11:35 PM


#2565993 NHL Player Tracking System

Posted by Dr Dubya on Yesterday, 05:36 AM




I don't remember Mikael Samuelsson playing in the ASG

#2565820 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kliq on 24 January 2015 - 04:43 PM

who considered him a top ufa ? Actually Hossa was 29 when he signed with us https://www.toledobl...for-1-year.html Like I've said for the right return nobody should be off limits and that price will obviously ridiculously high. But do you really expect to get back a player that can help us on the backend for years by offering so so prospects ? That's not gonna happen. Pietrangelo was RFA and could have been offer sheeted just as an example. Yeah Suter signed elsewhere couldn't do anything about that but the wings could flex their financial muscle when it comes to offer sheeting other top players. So what's your solution then keep building and building till Pasha and Z can't carry the team anymore ? Even if that's your plan there isn't enough on this team for every prospect so trades need to happen might as well cash in when the value us highish


Every analyst considered Weiss a top UFA. This is what the UFA has turned into. Guys like Seguin, Stamkos, Weber etc. are not hitting UFA anymore.



Above is a link ranking the top UFA of 2013, Weiss is ranked #4 player (non goalie). The 3 above him, Lecavalier, Filppula, and Clarkson. I would say he is easily #2 on that list now despite his struggles. Again, this is what UFA has become, hence my issue with throwing stupid amounts of money in a cap system at average-pretty good players.


You are right, Hossa was 29 when he signed, Weiss was 30. I should have double checked myself rather than take someone else’s word for it. But the point of that, was that Weiss was also in his prime just like Hossa, so that point still stands.


Holland can throw out offer-sheets all he wants, team will just match, we all know this. All this does is hurt a GM's relationship with other GM's. We already have a hard enough time trading because we are the Wings, this is the last thing I want to do. I can’t even remember the last offer sheet that went through.


My solution: Keep producing talent and let these kids take over for D & Z. We have so many good young players, I’m not going to dismiss them because "I don’t want to get my hopes up so I won’t be disappointed". We are currently sitting just a few points out of first seed in the conference (and that's with D missing 11 games). If it was just D & Z that were good on our team, this would not be the case.

This is getting off topic anyways, my point was that the Wings don’t struggle with landing UFA. We have landed 3 pretty big ones (respective to who is available) over the past few years. The difference, is the best of the best don’t hit UFA, and the players that do hit UFA typically get overpaid, kudos to Holland for not giving away stupid contracts. (ie. Clarkson, Orpik, Pouliot etc.). I would love to get Keith Shattenkirk, but this will never happen. That would be like a Ducks fan in 2000 saying "our GM should go out and get Lidstrom" Not going to happen. (not saying Shattenkirk is as good as Lidstrom, but I think my point is made).

#2565787 crazy hockey dad

Posted by TheXym on 24 January 2015 - 11:37 AM

I've only been on here since last summer, and it was already an ongoing joke by then, so apparently I missed something awesome.

One of the best drunk posts in the history of the Internet.


#2565668 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 09:52 AM

I suppose the reason I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he's traded is because of where he fits onto this team moving forward.  Lets say in 3-5 years, who are the Wings potential top six wingers?  Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Abby, Pulkkinen, and Jurco.  Now, he's not really competing with the big bodied guys (Mantha, Abby, Jurco) and Nyquist and Tatar are already proven high scoring NHL players.  So as of now, he's the shooting winger on the third line (and obviously a power play specialist) if he continues to develop and have success.  


I'd never be surprised if a third liner is traded.  Particularly if it's for something like a top four defenseman. 


All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised.  Sure he's a shooter, and sure he's right handed.  And those things are huge buzz words for the organization.  But the shooter thing matters a little less when you've got established goal scorers in Nyquist and Tatar, and an expected goal scorer in Mantha.  And the right handedness is more of a need on the back end than the front end.  Obviously, you'd like to have both, but if losing a righty up front gains you a righty top four defender, I can see Holland being ok with the trade off. 

#2565670 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 10:25 AM

I think he has emotional issues. Wasn't it mentioned a few years ago that he was struggling with depression? I've had a job that required a lot of travel and I struggled with those issues too. Give the guy some slack.


Fedorov had personal issues too. I remember Bowman snatching a heckler's sign that criticized Fedorov's contract dispute during one of the '90's playoff runs. He didn't want him to lose his confidence.


Think of your own performance at work. Do you always perform at the highest level? Especially when you are down about something? No one has any evidence to suspect him of malfeasance. 


But you have evidence to suspect him of "emotional issues"?


This whole thread has turned hokey.  Why don't we all stick to Franzen and hockey and not try to assassinate/dissect his character.  Regardless of how we feel about him on the ice, there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest he's not a decent, committed, hard working, emotionally stable person. 

#2565642 Franzen on IR

Posted by Buppy on 22 January 2015 - 11:58 PM

I don't buy his last two concussions were that serious to miss an entire month. Those are very serious injuries to still have symptoms that late after two plays that nobody even noticed during the game (even searching through replays). I think if he was scoring and not having a miserable time he would have returned sooner

This isn't my blind hatred for Franzen. I'm actually one of the few posters that defends him most of the time. Like a poster said here months ago when he recalled speaking with a trainer their are some guys (on every team) that like to sit on IR as much as they can, it's a very real thing. Lots of injuries are at players discretion when they feel ready. Both years he misses time right when he's been dragging his ass for weeks and not scoring. These posts are easy to flame but I think it's a very real possibility

Again, not very accurate.


While he has been going through a pretty bad slump this year, not so much last year. It had only been 5 games without a goal last year, and prior to that was his best stretch of the season. Furthermore, while the hit from Gudas last year didn't really look all that serious, he did leave the game immediately afterward. He missed a while, came back for a game, then symptoms came back and he missed another month (including sitting out of the Olympics). This year no one noticed much at first because he finished the game, but he got blindsided at center ice, stayed down for a while and had to be helped off. 


Concussions are weird things. Symptoms can linger. Lilja and Eaves missed almost a year. Careers have ended. Post-concussion syndrome can last for years (or even become permanent), isn't necessarily related to the severity of the initial injury, seems to be more common in people who've had multiple concussions, may be exacerbated by stress (such as from a prolonged scoring drought)/psychological disorders, and there is no established treatment.


But yeah, he must be faking it because he's a lazy bastard. (And you can tell he's a lazy bastard because he's always faking injuries.)

#2565623 Franzen on IR

Posted by Buppy on 22 January 2015 - 08:03 PM

I hate to say this but if anybody is likely to use concussion symptoms as an excuse to sit on IR for a little longer than he needs, it's Franzen. He takes a significant amount of time every year from a concussion. His brain would be goop if his concussions were that serious. Abby comes back from a concussion in a week cause he actually wants to play. Missing 3-4 weeks each year from a concussion would be very serious and questioning continuing to play.
It's like when Babs called out Helm for sitting on IR all the time (never said this exactly) and then he comes in and plays the next game. Most of the time injuries like tears, soreness and concussions are players discretion and some players really want to play and some don't

I don't think you hated to say that at all, if you did you might have at least tried to check your accuracy.


Prior to last season, Franzen hasn't had a concussion since the '08 playoffs, nor had he missed 3-4 weeks for anything other than the knee surgery.

#2565592 crazy hockey dad

Posted by WingsallTheway on 22 January 2015 - 04:22 PM

hahahah "way to go, Paul." Thats one of the greatest one liners ever


Clearly he does  this stuff at all the games. He didn't even react to shattering the glass, what a clown.

#2565540 Franzen on IR

Posted by number9 on 22 January 2015 - 11:55 AM

Well it's about time someone said it.

#2565329 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 20 January 2015 - 11:39 PM

You almost feel like he made the Legwand trade just so he could say, for the rest of time, "Yeah but Legwand tho! Never again!" Like Quincey and how we're never ever ever ever ever going to trade another first-round pick.

But Quincey has, *arguably* been worth a late first round pick.
Especially lately.

Tonight he was physical behind and in front of the net, for the most part, and hard on the puck.
He's been good.

#2565332 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 20 January 2015 - 11:47 PM


#2564832 Petry next Oiler to be shopped - FTLOG Kenny, get it done!

Posted by krsmith17 on 20 January 2015 - 09:06 AM

Wow people are really reaching for this Smith is useless bulls***... First of all Brendan Smith is just as good as Jeff Petry right now, and he has a lot higher ceiling... and you're suggesting trading Smith AND a mid level prospect AND a pick for Petry? Are you kidding me? The blind hate on Smith is getting beyond ridiculous... Petry will go for a couple picks and you want to throw all that in for him?...


Petry is getting top line minutes in Edmonton, while Smith is getting third line minutes in Detroit, and yet he still isn't producing a significant amount more than Smith. Petry is producing at a 0.22% points per game pace, while Smith is producing at a 0.17% points per game pace. Not a huge difference for a player making over double the salary... Petry has also played an additional 36 minutes more on the power-play than Smith has this season. With those kinds of minutes on the man advantage, you would think he would be producing a LOT more, he is not at all. Let's have a look at their career points shall we? Believe it or not, Smith is actually producing at a slightly higher clip than Petry... Smith has 41 points in 160 games (0.256%) while Petry has 69 points in 281 games (0.245%).


You blame Smith for being a turnover machine, but Petry has over double the number of giveaways as Smith but he also has twice as many takeaways... Petry may be a little better defensively, hitting more and blocking more shots, but that stat is almost as skewed as the +/- stat, which Smith is obviously superior, playing for a better team, Smith is even and Petry is a -21. The only upside Petry has over Smith in my opinion, is that he is a right handed shot. Is that reason enough to make the trade? Hell no!

#2564937 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by Echolalia on 20 January 2015 - 04:01 PM

I think I figured out the lines, guys.  Babs is ALL about overcoming adversity and earning the right to feel good about yourself and working your way back up through the lineup, so anytime someone starts playing poorly, Babs gets excited because this is an opportunity for a player to grow, so he demotes them to the third or fourth line.  Except Sheahan has been on the club for over a year, now, and hasn't had a poor stretch yet. And Babs is baffled and upset because Sheahan hasn't had that opportunity to build character or whatever.  So Babcocks is all "whatever, I'll give you adversity myself!  Glendening!  Miller!  You guys are playing with Sheahan now!"  And that's the story of how Mike Babcock saved Sheahan from himself.

#2564893 1/20 GDT: Wild 4 @ Red Wings 5 (SO)

Posted by rick zombo on 20 January 2015 - 01:18 PM

I think you've got it mixed up. 


Miller-Sheahan-Glendening is going to be the third line, and Weiss-Andersson-Pulkkinen the fourth.  At least that's what recent time on ice stats suggest. 


Well s***.


In that case:


Miller - Sheahan - Glendenning

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader

Tatar - Datsyuk - Helm

Weiss - Andersson - Pulkinnen