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#2639493 11/25 GDT : Boston Bruins at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Yesterday, 10:14 PM

Drew Miller. Not going to happen. What is the next suggestion. Scoring more goals isnt in the plans, obviously.

That's ridiculous. The message was about scoring goals and somehow you link it to Miller?!!


We have a lot of guys in the lineup who should be scoring. If you're counting on your 4th line to save the offence, you're doing something wrong.

#2639488 11/25 GDT : Boston Bruins at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Yesterday, 10:10 PM

When you can't score goals because your two 30 goal scorers play on the same third line with an inept centremen. At least Pulkinnen got some nice stats for a rookie

Agreed. They were on in OT together as well. they don't work together. Blash needs to stop putting them together. And Pulkkinen needs to get back on the 3rd line.

#2639320 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Yesterday, 06:48 PM

I think Marchenko goes before Smith, but will be interesting once Quincey is back. Can we send Marchenko up and down freely this year? If he hits a threshold and cant be sent down, that's gonna get ugly with 8 defensemen in the mix. As bad as we all think they are, they are actually all pretty serviceable NHL defensemen in reality.

Marchenko's Waiver eligibility only expires if he's played 60 NHL games because he 23.




He's only played 28. Quincey's gone for a while, but I'm not sure he's gone for another 32 games. Even if he is, the organization could opt to send Marchenko down earlier and call up XO or maybe Sproul since he's had a bit of a resurgence and he's never got his shot with the big club (or Jensen as well).

#2639154 The Rise and Fall of Drew Miller

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 November 2015 - 11:23 AM

Helm is going to cost every bit of $4M and up...

I highly doubt that. Abby got 4.25. Helm has never got the goals that abby has, is playing on the 4th line, has his injury history. All these things contribute to his lower value. I'm guess 3, maybe 3.25 depending on term. I'm a huge Helm fan and I've made it clear that I want to keep him. 


There's still many issues with this team, but I never think that Miller is one. PK is 8th - not spectacular, but solid. I do think his time here should be up after this year. We are in a a roster clog situation and there's other guys that will take spots next year or the following one.

well heres a question would you rather have kept eaves and sent miller instead?

Always liked Eaves and he was definitely the better player. He has continued to have injury problems so that's the only knock against him.

#2638951 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 November 2015 - 11:42 PM

Many people would probably argue that the quality in the CHL is as good or better than the NCAA. Maybe SM Liiga too, but most people probably don't know much about that league. Plenty of players around the league go from juniors to the NHL with less than two years in the AHL. It's not unusual, even for the Wings. It's also not unusual for young guys to struggle at first. Again, excuses aren't necessary.

I don't see it as an excuse, I'm giving my view why he's in his current situation. It is unusual for the wings to have a player go from the CHL to the NHL without doing 3 years in the AHL. Look at all these examples of other players from the Red WIngs systems from the CHL:


Mrazek: did almost his full 3 years in the AHL

Quincey: did the full 3 years in the AHL

Kindl: did full 3 years in the AHL

Emmerton: did 3 years+ in the AHL

Mursak: did 3 years in the AHL (though he only made the NHL briefly)


For older perspective, I looked up some older names:

Avery: played parts of 3 years AHL (109 gp)

Jason WIlliams: 3 seasons (173 gp)


It does seem to be the normal path or treatment for Red Wings prospects coming from the CHL especially in the past 20 years. Who have we had that makes the jump without doing the time? Helm and Jurco are 2 exceptions that I can think of recently. I had to go back to Jiri Fischer in 99-00 to find someone else (Jiri only played 25 AHL games over 2 seasons, but he was a 1st rounder). Jurco did 1 and a half years in the AHL. that is less than normal.


But I'm not set on making each prospect do this amount of time as a sort of prerequisite. If AA or Mantha look ready and excel in their call ups earlier, than let them have a spot. I disagree with the treatment of Jurco specifically because he was struggling in the 2nd quarter last season when he could have been sent down to the AHL. Babcock (he made it clear in an interview that he pushed for it) kept him up and played him sporadically between the 4th line and being scratched when I believe he was better served playing big, top line minutes in the AHL.


Anyway, I believe it was a mistake, but not one that he can't overcome. At this point, I'm all good with putting him on the 4th line and having him work his way up a la Abby. If he plays well, he'll get his chances on the 3rd line or elsewhere.

#2638902 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 November 2015 - 06:25 PM

He had played over 100 games in GR. Similar amount of time to what Helm, Abby, Nyquist, Sheahan, and Pulkkinen spent there. 

All those players had additional pro-level or university level experience beyond their junior hockey:


Jurco: 106 AHL games over 2 seasons+nothing

Pulkkinen: 119 over 3 seasons + 4+ seasons with SM liiga (top finnish professional league)

Nyquist played 132 over 4 seasons + 3 seasons of university hockey

Abby: 109 over 2 seasons + 3 seasons of university hockey

Sheahan: 110 over seasons + 3 seasons of university hockey


...except Helm, so I'll give you that one.

#2638885 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 November 2015 - 03:57 PM

You're wrong. He had plenty of opportunities. 60% of his ice-time last year. Half of that with at least one of our top scorers. Plus, it is actually possible to score even in a lesser role. He had a poor year. Just like with Mantha, it's ok to say it. Doesn't make him a bust or mean he'll never be better. Not even that terrible a year either, all things considered. It's one thing to refute the few who seem to writing him off, but you don't need to make excuses.


And I wouldn't say he was mishandled at all. He was originally called up as an injury replacement, and performed well enough to earn a spot last year. Even if he had started in GR, he'd have been called up for injuries soon enough anyway. If anything, he's been mishandled this year. Playing, even in a less than optimal role, is better than not playing. 

I agree with the first half and krsmith slightly misunderstood my last post. He did have good opportunities offensively at the beginning of last year. It has come out that he had these back problems so that partially explains his offensive struggles. I think the other factor that is responsible is that he didn't have that foundation of confidence and training that comes from playing in GR for an extended period. Down there you go through the struggles of confidence and injuries and poor play and learn how to overcome them and also build up a personal training habits and routine to limit their occurence.


I think he absolutely should have been sent down last year and that would have helped his game and development. That's where most think he was mishandled. He did a lot of defensive things right last year so Babs wanted him on the team (this is where Bill's views on Miller vs. AA are relevant). 


It's good to see that he's getting the offensive mojo back in GR. It's still hard to see how he will fit into the roster, though. Having him on anywhere higher than the 4th line would necessitate Sheahan on the 4th and Miller out. Or he waits for injury which is probably the most likely situation.

#2638880 11/21 GDT : Red Wings at St. Louis Blues, 8:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 November 2015 - 03:39 PM

Um. We played STL last night and guess what... IT DIDN'T GO TO A SHOOTOUT BECAUSE WE RULE 3 on 3!! [emoji16][emoji13][emoji41]

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I love 3-on-3 and think it's suited to our team. OT record is 4-2. 


We're 1 of 9 teams that haven't played a shootout yet and I (and Jimmy) would be fine if we never do this year.

#2638811 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 November 2015 - 11:04 PM

Except at the NHL level, that is

Except, of course, his first season of 36 games when he played very well and put up 15 pts. (pretty good for your first chunk of games)


He was rushed into the NHL. Babs fought to keep him there then he had back problems and struggled and was put on the 4th line. People need look at the full story beyond the numbers.


I think the team realizes the situation and their getting him back on track. Hope he comes back up and continues with the points


In Jurco's 3 games he has as many points as Mantha has in 13 games or AA has in 10.

#2638610 Ferraro on waivers

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 November 2015 - 01:31 PM

Good move. I've never been a Ferraro supporter. This would have to be for Jurco, wouldn't it?


Would like Jurco to get in tonight. I know he also played last night, but he might be a bit fresher than our guys who took a bit of a physical beating last night.

#2638450 11/20 GDT : Los Angeles Kings at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 November 2015 - 08:19 PM

Lets all blame Smith. Wasnt his turnover. Wasnt his man. But man is it fun to blame him.

Honestly? he didn't make the turnover, but he's supposed to play defence. He had plenty of a head start - all he had to do is stay between the player and the net. Instead, he got way out-skated and left behind.

#2638436 11/20 GDT : Los Angeles Kings at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 November 2015 - 08:13 PM

Are we allowed to complain about Smith here? or do we have to measure it with complaints about E and Kindl?

#2638413 Richards to return Friday; Athanasiou sent to GR

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 November 2015 - 07:51 PM

It is sad this team is going to have to lean heavy on Richards if they want to make the playoffs and I think we all know that is not happening. Im resigned to the fact that we are not making the playoffs but at least we should be able to get a decent pick maybe. 

I don't see this at all. I think he was brought here as a secondary player. I think his main purpose was to cover us while Datsyuk was out. Obviously, that didn't go so well since he was injured too, but Larkin was probably not expected to make the team and gave us a boost while Datsyuk was out.


I honestly think Richards Is an extra and looking for a spot now that Datsyuk's back and Larkin is on the team. I hope proves effective on the wing because I'd rather have that than Sheahan on the wing. Maybe someone wants to trade a Dman for him+a couple of our Dmen.

#2637720 The suprising rise of Jakub Kindl

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 17 November 2015 - 09:30 PM

All fans are overly optimistic before every season starts. But that is often not reality. Z, D, and Kronwall are all slowing down do to age and injuries. Which should be expected. I never thought we would get anything out of Franzen-he should never play another game for his own safety. Richards hasn't given anything do to being injured. So while green, kindl, and Larkin have given us more O, it really only balances out what we haven't gotten from others. None of the moves made have moved the bar, just maintained what we were. In the end this team is still a 6th through 10th place team, which is what we have been for 5 years now.

Not to take things to far off topic, but just adding Larkin, Mrazek (first full year), and Green absolutely raises he bar for me. Those are 3 undeniable improvements. I find it hard to think that someone would scoff at adding a top 6 forward, top 4 D, and a capable (or much more) starting goalie. 


Yes, Datsyuk, Z, and Kronwall are on the declining side of their careers, but I don't thinkany one of them has declined from last year to a point where they counteract the improvements to the roster. Z's played as well or better than last year IMO, Datsyuk's still powering up. Kronwall's definitely playing worse, but it's not like he's become Ian White out there.


As for expectations, it was unrealistic to think that the transition from Babs to Blash would go without struggles. I'm predicting that this was the low point of the season. We have Datsyuk back, Helm's playing better, Starting to find more lines with success,  Pulkkinen's an offensive contributor that we didn't have last year, we'll get Richards and Q back at some point. I think the fact that we're where we were last year despite injuries and the transition bodes well for the rest of the season. 


And Kindl will get better too (see, I can keep it on topic).

#2637690 The suprising rise of Jakub Kindl

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 17 November 2015 - 07:12 PM

Stats bare that out. We are currently 13th in goals allowed and 9th in PK. Middle of the road for sure. But is being average ok? Right now for the the wailing and nashing of teeth we are the 6th team in the East. Same spot we were in last year.

Most of this has to do-IMHO, with the belief that we are not getting better. We are stuck in the same spot we have been for the past 4 years. Good enough to make the PO's-maybe, but not good enough to get out of the 1st round.

Just for reference, we are 25th in goals scored and 20th on the PP.

There was a lot of expectation that we'd be better this year since we added Green, Richards. Also, Pulkkinen and Mrazek being up, Larkin hype and Franzen returning.


I still think we will end up better than we did last year. I credit a lot of our early struggles to the team getting used to Blashill's system and finding chemistry with new players. Injuries have also played a part in the struggles. It's also hard to find the chemistry for lines and a team identity when key guys were missing.


I'm not too worried about PK numbers - PP, shots, and goals are the problem.


As for Kindl, this has been a storyline that people were talking about before the season stated with Babs gone - I don't know that he's fulfilled Z's prophecy yet. He has still made some pretty big mistakes. Also, he was pretty good at the end of last year after spend the couple of games in GR so I can't see this year's good play as a dramatic turnaround. 


Would have been hard for him to feel confident when he kept getting scratched in years past. Especially for an offensive minded guy, you have to get into a rhythm and feel comfortable out there.