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#2674775 Name That Band

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 May 2016 - 03:21 PM

No.  Think of what you will be if the "do not ______" sign is ignored.




Angry at the photocopier.

#2674599 Blashill

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 April 2016 - 01:19 AM

I think the bigger issue is the piss poor attitude our guys are displaying. I don't remember players coming out in the media like this complaining. Be a professional and discuss these things with the coach and GM rather than going through the media. Grow up. This isn't how the red wings do things.

He was just being politically correct. If he lambasts th coach, he knows he's a goner. He doesn't belong on the fourth line. He said h had to play differently because h as on the fourth line. I'm sure he felt like a fish out of water there.

Here's Tatar's quotes:


"My goals were way higher than they end up, but it was different stuff this year than it was last year. It was different position for me, so I guess what the numbers are saying is the way it is now."


"I think the position was way different this year than last year, after last season playing most of the time with Pav (Datsyuk) and Helmer (Darren Helm)," Tatar said. "This time I was kind of around the lines. With different position comes different responsibility. Wherever I played I tried to play best, bring the energy as much as I could."


"It was a little tougher to get comfortable, I was squeezing the stick almost all season. The goals I set were hard to end up (with), so it was kind of disappointing for me."


I don't see how any of that is really criticism of Blashill. He acknowledge that the place he was put with Pav was better for production and that being put with Shea and Nyquist and "around the lines' was "tougher," but he says "I don't mind being in that position...We can't leave everything on Pav and Hank (Zetterberg), those guys need help. I think last season me and Nyquist stepped up and helped them."


#2674596 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 April 2016 - 12:56 AM

Hold on Hold on.


We are 11 (ELEVEN) years removed from the Salary cap being institutied.

We are 5 years removed from Rafalski retiring. 

We are 4 years removed from Suter signing with the Wild. 


Are people seriously still trying to throw up these excuses?  That's pathetic.  If you can't adjust to something in 4 years you failed. Period. Let alone 11 years.  That's a joke. 


We haven't realistically competed for a cup since 09.  That's now SEVEN YEARS.  Expecting a team to compete for a cup once in 7 years is not asking too much nor does it make us "spoiled fans".  You want to know what fan base is happy just making the playoffs?  The Maple Leaves.  Is that who you want to be?

Buppy and Kliq covered most of what I would have responded to here.


I'm just going to put in the perspective that our cup drought is the 5th shortest. I does show us to be a little spoiled to expect to be winners again so soon after. The cap is designed so that cup are spread around and success is not suppose to be sustainable. It's like MarioCart, where all the cars in last place get all the good s*** in the ? boxes. And when you're in first you get hit by all that good s*** and try to make a go of it with your little banana peel that you receive and hold on long enough to get your prize. Or maybe I drank a little tonight...


But really, 25 other fanbases have a right to be angrier than we are. Plus I think we have a real hope of returning to the elite with Mrazek, Larkin, DK, Tatar, Nyquist, AA etc.

#2674500 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 April 2016 - 03:31 PM

Nope. But true. Please I am not attacking anyone personally, so don't take it that way.

No worries. I didn't feel attacked.


But the "excuses" comment is a general sentiment I see around here all the time. To me it says, I don't care about the real constraints with the way that the league is now, I just want cups, I want to be the dominant team that we were before the cap. To just right off these realities as 'excuses" is to not look at things realistically.

#2674488 This hits the nail on the head......

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 April 2016 - 02:56 PM

There is nothing about the RW's that wasn't done intentionally by Holland. It's his GM, coach, players that he drafted, traded for, and signed as UFA's. Holland handed out everyone of our contracts. Its all intentional, if it wasn't then it would be what? Incompetence.

It's not even possible for Holland intentional control everything with the wings. What would that even mean? He convinced the league to switch to the salary cap? Holland convinced Rafalski to retire early? He arranged Suter to meet a woman and BFF from Minnesota so that we would miss out on that signing?


He's a poker player trying to deal with the hand dealt. He's trying to make us great again by the way he thinks best with the circumstances of the league. The cap is meant to spread success around - we've fought the economic forces that tear apart success and we're the only team to make the playoffs every year post-lockout.


People need realize that the most likely alternative to our current 5 year dip in success is not trades and Stanley cups - It's the 10 year tank. I can only imagine the blogs that would be written in that situation. I think we'll be contenders in 3 years - we'll all see how Mraz, Larkin, Mantha etc. develop and if we'll be able to find the missing pieces.

#2674401 New arena construction updates

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 April 2016 - 12:24 AM

It's almost comical all those new arenas are over the top built, expensive as hell but lack soul, history and of course atmosphere

soo disappointed right now what in the name of is happening to this franchise? whatever the case it's not good

What's next free smartphones and WiFi in the arena? we are talking about the Red Wings here an original 6 team celebrate and embrace it instead of selling out like all the other teams

Though I've loved going to the Joe, the concourse had all the soul and atmosphere of a parking garage. I think the Joe was objectively a pretty crappy arena: inconvenient parking, trough bathrooms, UGLY from the outside, the inconvenient staircase entrance on one side, those shady portal walkways to get to the rink (went there with my Grandpa and he had trouble with the all the walking it took to get there), in a desolate part of town (maybe too harsh, but little is around it and it isn't a warm feeling part of town).


People learn to love those dingy aspects and call them character, but it was time for a change. History comes with time passing. I'm sure The Joe was criticized for it's modern design at some point. 

#2674317 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2016 - 07:11 PM

I get WHY public funding is often necessary, I'm not even against public funding. I just think that if you're going to accept public funding for your teams new arena you should probably make an effort to represent and validate their contribution rather than be wholly greedy and promote your brand to their exclusion.

Okay, yeah, that is a good case for some kind of public naming. Either public voting on a name or a public figure. I think I misunderstood what you meant before.


For those those suggesting The Oven as a nickname, I disagree. I mean the Shark Tank makes sense: Sharks inside the shark tank and other teams should be wary coming in. If we have Wings inside the oven, it means our goose is cooked.

#2674296 Mantha

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2016 - 06:25 PM

Positive words from Holland on Mantha and Bertuzzi:


"Both bring important dimensions," Holland said. "Both are young players that we need to be important in Detroit one day."



plus video of Mantha send 2 goals through the mesh of the net.

#2674288 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2016 - 06:09 PM

My only issues is the public funding aspect. The MASSIVE public funding. If the illitches had paid for it themselves they could name it whatever they want and I wouldn't have much to say.

I agree with this perspective to a point and John Oliver did a solid episode on publicly funded arenas. I've heard arguments on the other side that also sway. I've seen that the arena is estimated to cost $627M and could go higher. Even though Ilitch is personally worth 5 billion+, I doubt his company has that amount of free cash to spend at one time so I understand if a certain amount coming from government funding.


One thing to consider on the naming issue, is that the Ilitches have essentially turned away a huge amount of money by not selling the naming rights to another company. Maybe it's their interest to have the advertising (although I don't think it's that much extra exposure - we all knew the new arena would be lined with Little Ceasars venders, signage, and they would give free pizzas at the games just like they do at the Joe). But think of the alternative of them taking a huge amount of public money and then using the arena to bring in an extra money to cover part of their end (Blues got 70 million for 20 years naming rights for the Savvis center for a random example)  Probably everyone would prefer Howe arena or honoring some local hero, but I think Little Ceasars is the best option for corporate naming.

#2674084 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 April 2016 - 08:17 PM

He's a checking line player. Checking line players shouldn't get that much money, regardless of what they want or howuch of a raise it would be. It's still a hell of a lot more than he'd be making back in Canada working a 9 to 5 gig or working a farm.

Unfortunately for Holland, those won't be the relative comparables that Helm's agent will bring to negotiations.

#2673973 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 April 2016 - 03:52 AM

Larkin, AA, Sheahan, Glendening. Those are the 4 centers. If Helm comes cheap and short term, fine. If he wants a long deal or more than $2.5, he can get overpaid somewhere else. But given Abdelkader getting the panic please don't leave contract, ibsee 7 years at North if $3.5 per, front loaded so there's a recapture penalty and with a modified ntc.

Helm currently makes. 2.125 on a deal he signed 4 years ago as a RFA. You really think he's only going to get a 375 000 dollar raise, with 4 years of rising nhl salaries, and given that he's poised to be an UFA? It's a UFA contract and he's not Drew Miller, he'll definitely get at least 3 mill.

#2673896 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 26 April 2016 - 05:07 PM

More info on the Helm situation:


"It started sounding like Kenny wanted to get things done here pretty quick," Helm said. "I got that injury and nothing really formed after that. I didn't have the best year statistically and mentally not as far as playing, but just how the way things were going on at the rink and on the ice. I was hoping to have at least some conversations about an extension ... we'll see what happens."




I think Hem sounds a bit like a jilted lover. He has definitely spoken fondly of the organization. In 2 recent signings (Tootoo, Green) both said they were friends with Helm and his glowing praise for the organization were part of their decision to come here. I think he expected to be more of a priority. 


Again, hope we keep. He, Abby, and Glendening provide a good ingredient of drive on a team that seemed at times lackadaisical. 

#2673458 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:55 PM


Just to clarify Alimony in Russia. So this could be a legit reason for leaving.

First of all, your quoted passage isn't straight forward. It says "Despite the fact that the Family Code includes a general rule that stipulates spouses should support each other from a financial point of view an ex-spouse is only entitled to alimony when:"  So...He wouldn't have to pay Alimony, but he has to support her financially...which sounds like the same thing under a different name to me.


Second, If you re-read the Mitch Albom article, it specifically mentions that he still has a good relationship with his ex-wife:


"...his desire to rejoin his daughter Elizabeth, who is being raised in Russia by Datsyuk’s first wife, Svetlana. While the former couple enjoy a friendly relationship, Datsyuk said, he felt too absent from the day-to-day affairs of his child, and worried, as she entered adolescence (she is now 13) that he wouldn’t be there for guidance."


Even if he would have to pay less, you're friend's theory seems a pretty extreme way to screw over the ex-wife. It would probably also alienate his daughter. It seems pretty unlikely, especially from a guy who seems like (and was voted by other NHL players in a few polls I've seen over the years) one of the most likeable guys in the league.


Also, if alimony were a motivation, why would that be a pressing issue that he would have to leave now and not just wait until next year. He's a multimillionaire and will make even more when he plays in the KHL. Why would the 25% (or whatever it would be) of next year's 5.5 million be so precious to him?


I prefer to respect him and take him at his word. 

#2673455 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:20 PM

I swear this is ground hog day every year....

Except this year no one here will be complaining about Franzen's contract or us bringing back Cleary.


(I'm going to pre-empt someone's joke of "don't speak too soon.")

#2673454 Who gets the "A" when datsyuk leaves?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:13 PM

I'd like Dekeyser. Wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if it were Abby.