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#2624653 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on Today, 02:32 PM

I'm not calling anyone a doodoo head. But I do think you're out of your gord if you, a fan, think you know what's better for a players life/career than said player, his family, and the team he plays for.

I think I'd probably be considered a deputy in the Franzen police, but I have to disagree with members of the force here. There are times when a player doesn't act out of their best interest and when fans or outsiders can see this more clearly than someone driven by a love of the game and the sympathetic support of the family.



We all knew that MJ shouldn't give up basketball to go play baseball.

When Ricky "the ram" went into the ring for one more Ram Jam we all knew that wouldn't end well.

(Now serious): When Muhammed Ali fought Holmes when he was already experiencing tremors and vocal stutters it was an absolute shame. This has been said to have contributed to his Parkinson's.The majority were against this before the fight, but he fought this and one more fight after it.


I'm sure there's examples of players in the NHL who have played past when it was advisable to do so. Franzen's situation isn't as extreme as Ali's, but Ali did even receive medical clearance from the fight from the Mayo clinic (But he sidestepped a full physical ordered by the NAC). 


I'm all for the return based on the fact that he will have to be cleared by the neurologist. He also sounds very aware of the risks and seems to be feeling out the viability of returning based on his body's response. He'd be a big addition to the team and he wants to play - I just want to hear that he's symptom-free. I understand why some are so worried about his health that they don't feel entirely comfortable with his return. I think if he's at a place where he's symptom free and cleared for games, though, then I think that should allays those concerns. He's at a higher risk for repeats, but risk is there for all NHL players at different levels. I think it's up to them to weigh those risks. Not being able to do what you love can have it's own negative effects on your life and that's a factor that shouldn't be ignored from the outside perspective.

#2624481 Howard's New Mask

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 September 2015 - 07:46 PM

I think it would be cool if a goalie of ours used a colour that would really pop against the red jersey. Is their a rule where the goalie mask has to be the same colours of their jersey

The purple octopus that Conklin had was great.


To go against Mrazek's Peter Griffin mask, Howard should have put the giant chicken on his and declared war! 

#2624443 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 September 2015 - 01:17 PM

If Franzen is out I think Larkin will make the team

Doubt it since Mule's a winger and Larkin's a center. If Mule's out, I think it means greater opportunity for Pulkkinen and Jurco.


This is big information. Wish they had the video interview for this to see the context. The sleep the rest of the day part to me sounds like it could have meant a couple of things. Maybe he's just out of shape from not playing in a while. When I trained for marathons I often would sleep a while after a long run. Working out for 4 hours straight hours is pretty intense. If it was from feeling dizzy, then that's more alarming. I'm not trying to spin it - it seems unclear to me. St. James usually puts up full videos, but I can't seem to find this 15 minute interview.  


Edit: Set backs every week seems pretty clear, though, and I definitely didn't think that was his current situation.

#2624333 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 September 2015 - 02:18 AM

What good is production in in the training room? 3 years in a row of 54 games played or less. yes one was a lockout and he still missed time. In his 10 year career he has scored 17 goals or more in only 4 seasons. the other 6 seasons 16 goals or less. he had a nice run for 5 years 2008-2012. But he can't stay healthy, doesn't produce much of the time, and should have been bought out 2 years ago when we had the chance. Even his supporters knew he was injury prone. Could have walked away for nothing. But no he is still here.

As for his cap hit, it really isn't that good. Compare with backes. 4 mil vs 4.5 mil. 10 years for Franzen 8.5 years for backes. 4 seasons of 17 or more goals vs 6 years. Not to mention backes plays with an edge and has toughness, Franzen gets hurt. You could also compare with Simmons and several others. All in the same price range and bring much more to the table.

I'm so angry at that guy for not playing more than 54 games in the lock out shortened season that only had 48 games in it? He only missed 7 games that year, which is about his usual for a full season.


On another note: I love the photo that comes up when you google Johan Franzen. It looks like Franzen was competing to look more battered than Sawchuck's Times cover. When you click on the image it brings you to this story of Franzen getting messed up by Doan- getting 23 stitches and returning to the game without a face shield.




It's the type of story that people love about the character and toughness of a player and their dedication to the team to come back when they weren't expected to. But with Franzen, I guess people had already turned on him at that point and his reputation already formed.

#2624306 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 31 August 2015 - 08:04 PM

But that applies to Franzon EVERY year. paid a lot, hurt a lot, produces little.

I'm not going to do the Franzen contract argument today. 


I was saying that the bleacherreport chose a lot of players that were just injured last year. They talk about them as though they underperformed for their contracts. Of course you're not getting the value of a contract when they're injured, but most of those guys will be back from their injuries and then you can judge whether they're playing up to their contract. Don't think these players should be on the list. 

#2624291 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 31 August 2015 - 06:32 PM

A lot of that list is just high payed players who were injured last year:


Burrows, MacDonald, Boyle, Grabovski, Neal, Franzen, Bolland, Staal, Smid, Chara


That doesn't necessarily mean these are bad contracts for the coming year when they could be healthy.

#2624186 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 August 2015 - 05:16 PM


Well if that isn't an option then develop him as a backup and see where it goes. He is not ready to be a number 1. Can't believe people are comparing him to Carey Price he will never ever be as good as the elite ones and especially not as good as the best goalie in the world right now. I mean the season Price had was unreal, this guy played so well he got an inept offense and questionable at best defense into the playoffs.


Goalies are the hardest players to predict according to some scouts so why not take it slowly and see where it goes but one thing is for sure if he doesn't work on his over-aggressive style he will have trouble.

One person said they thought his potential was to steal games like Price. I used Price to show that even the best goalies go through growing pains. I was not comparing the 2. 


I think Mrazek has already reigned in his game somewhat. I think his aggressive, confident approach is a strength. I think he's in the process of understanding his angles and recovery time at the NHL level.

#2624185 Curtis Glencross regrets taking hometown discount

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 August 2015 - 04:28 PM

If he didn't realize the NHL is a business a long time ago, that's his fault. His career is on a downward progression. He will not be getting the home run deal he seeks. Guys without contracts now will have to accept tryouts with teams to get back into the league. He'll be no different. If a team does want him, he'll have to likely accept a 1 year deal. He needs to know his value and stay in his lane. He's Curtis Glencross not Johnny Gaudreau.

Well, he's essentially saying the same thing you are. He thinks he made a mistake and regrets it 


He point totals are actually not on a straight "downward progression":

10-11: 43 pts.

11-12: 48 pts.

12-13: 26 pts. (38 GP) lockout shortened

13-14: 24 pts. (40 GP)

14-15: 35 pts


He's been pretty steady for points even though he's played for some pretty awful Flames teams and was injured half of 13-14. He's 32. A guy like him should be able to get a 2-3 year deal. This year teams just seem to up against the cap this year and have been hugging the check book a little tighter.


Edit: I just hope Helm and Abdelkader don't read these articles.

#2624180 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 August 2015 - 03:56 PM


This is clear to most people, except a few hardcore Mrazek supporters. I mean it's the same story every year, a rookie comes in does (mostly) well and then people are expecting him to replace the current number 1 goalie and become the next elite one...when in fact more often than not the holy backup falls back to earth and ends up bouncing around between teams and in most cases never establishing himself as a proven number 1.


Mrazek isn't ready for the #1 job and still needs time to round out his game in the AHL because sooner rather than later his over-aggressive style will get exposed by more than just a few teams. That being said Jimmy needs to get back into his pre-injury form that's for sure.

You've said this a few times, but I guess you haven't read people's responses. He's been there for his 3 years. It's not a possibility for him to play there. We'd have to send through waivers and there's 0% chance he'd make it through. Furthermore, playing more in the AHL wouldn't help his game - he needs to just get used to the higher skill level/faster pace etc... Somebody else mentioned Carey Price - we all saw him struggle for years. Few, if any, goalies enter the league as all stars - they go through some growing pains.

#2624145 Free agents this off season

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 August 2015 - 01:54 AM


If Stamkos wants to come to the Leafs, there is no way they say no, especially when giving away assets is not involved.

I think he meant more that Stamkos wouldn't want to go there since they're rebuilding and it looks like they won't be competing for quite a while.

#2623878 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 25 August 2015 - 11:28 PM

It's unlikely he will be the Mule of Old ... and very likely that he will be targeted by other teams and out again - this time permanently?  That is my fear -- for his life and health.  But I do imagine that it must be terribly difficult to walk away from a sport you love, and where you've excelled... while you can still walk straight and all.   :scared:

I understand the concern for his health, but I just don't understand why there's this level of concern this time when it hasn't been around before. In his other numerous times away did we have this debate? I don't think so. Why would other players just target him now? His history of cuncussions has been around for a while and he hasn't been especially targeted imo.


He's said that he thinks he would have played if we made it to the 2nd round. That makes it sound less career threatening to me. I think that soundbite about his kids just caught people, but we don't really know the severity of the injury and how long the worst effects lasted. 

#2623779 Franzen back on ice

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 August 2015 - 12:25 AM

The one that says Mule versus Ram. That's the one I recall.

Yeah, I don't pay attention to who makes what and I'm not a truck guy. 



I was referring to the end where the Big Lebowski narrator says; "serious contract" and Mule gives a smug smile with his tongue between his teeth. I see some of the comments that say things like he's coming back for money, and I was just thinking about where people's negative opinions of his character have come from. 


Anyway, looking forward to Franzen coming back and having more of these deja vu debates about him. We all know that if Hossa were here, he would have a much better commercial for a mustang or somthing and that having Franzen will keep Andersson from making a schwinn bicycle commercial, but we have Mule signed for 5 more years and the Mule abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that.

#2623527 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 August 2015 - 12:12 PM

Serious question.  What about this roster makes it much different than last year's?  Keep in mind, last year we barely made the playoffs and got bounced in the first round.  That's been a common pattern the last few years.  


Is the addition of Green and Richards enough to make this a division contender that can go deep in the postseason?  I don't see it.  

I think Green is a huge addition. I do think that having Green and Richards bump us up a fair bit.


Other possible reasons for improvement:

- A healthy Franzen (Not well liked, but would be a big boost to the team) 

- Mrazek/Howard duo

- Jurco possibly stepping up

- Ericsson has had to time to train this year as opposed to last year. he was pretty bad in the 1st half

- The outside chance that a prospect makes the team and excels by year's end (Larkin, Mantha, Marchenko, etc..) No room now, but who knows what'll happen over the year.

- Zetterberg not having to play center

- improvement for young players

- new coaching, fresh view


Reasons against improvement:

- Datsyuk not starting the year: Richards covers this a bit and lets hope the team steps up in his absence like they did in recent years

- Possible injuries, as always

- new coaching, fresh view


I'm pretty certain that we'll be at least a bit better. I think this is a team that is very uncertain outcome due to coaching change and the youth, but I find very few reasons why we won't be better. The team last year had long stretches of elite hockey and if we saw the best of last year more often it would be huge. If Mrazek runs away with it, we could be a whole lot better. Can't wait to see!

#2623419 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 18 August 2015 - 02:02 PM


Noted, I wasn't really articulating my position on Helm's usage very well.  I really like Helm on the fourth for matchup purposes, but I wouldn't object to him being on the third over Jurco.  At this stage in their respective careers I really don't think there's a significant difference between them on either line.  Take Helm of a line with Pav and Tatar and he doesn't score like last year.  Put Jurco with Pav and Tatar for most of the season and he probably doesn't look as bad as last year.  But either way, I'm not too heartbroken over who goes where between the two of them. 

False, Helm had 33 pts (15+18) and didn't play with TT and Dats the whole year. He had 32 pts. (12+20) in 2010-11 centering the 3rd line. or 20 pts. in 42gp last year. He's been pretty steady apart from injuries.


At this point of their careers Helm has outperformed Jurco in probably every possible way: points, PK abilities, faceoffs, etc.


I like Jurco and hope he becomes the power forward that fulfills his potential, but I'm a Helm fanboy and I think he is still very under-appreciated.

#2623376 Help! Where r Babs/Sapranos compare pics?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 18 August 2015 - 12:32 AM

She's dead to me!