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#2620928 Stan Bowman (CHI) on CBA troubles

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 18 July 2015 - 10:38 PM

Meh, I think that's a bunch of crap.  If spending the most was the only factor, the Yankees would win every year, and so would the Wings pre cap.  But that obviously didn't happen.  

Well there are other teams that are 'buying a championship" in both those situations. Yankees haven't had the highest payroll for the last few years.


Before the cap, we were often outspent: A random year chosen for an example 02-03: by the Blues, Stars, Rangers




Without a cap, the winners are pretty much limited to the few big spenders. The top few have a relatively even playing field and then other factors come into play.

#2619322 Nyquist Files For Arbitration

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 July 2015 - 09:23 PM

Tatar got 19 and 29

Nyquist got 28 and 27

Even when Tatar got his contract it's not like they were that far apart ... At the most I see Gus getting 3.5 whether it's for a one year deal or 2

Anyone know if he Will he be a ufa if he signs a one year deal? Think it's in 2?

But that's what I was saying: Tatar last season doesn't matter since it happened after his contract was signed. Goose has more numbers to back up his negotiation then what got Tatar his deal.


54pts (Nyquist) vs. 39pts. (Tats) - including 8 more goals - is far apart to me. If you compare salaries for players with that point differential I think they would be very different. And add Nyquist's rookie season where he scored about a goal for every 2 games (28 in 57). It's a different situation.


3.5 is closer to the ballpark. I'd say that's the lowest possible. Holland is pretty good at keeping RFA salaries down. 

#2619309 Nyquist Files For Arbitration

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 July 2015 - 08:28 PM

I'd give nyquist 4-4.25 per year so long as it's a 5 yr contract so years 3 and beyond it'll look like a good cap hit for us

Otherwise what Tatar got looks like a fair deal since they both got similar numbers

Unfortunately I gotta think wings already offered him that and he refused so god knows what he's looking for

He's definitely not getting Tatar's deal. TT signed that deal with 1 season of 19g, 20a, 39pts (79games).


Nyquist has 2 seasons of 28g, 48pts (57games) and 27g. 54 pts. (82 games) Those are not really similar numbers at all. And he's more proven than TT was at the time - he'll get more or he should fire his agent.


I think you meant that they had similar numbers for this past year, but that has no real relevance.

#2618932 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 03 July 2015 - 06:27 PM

How about this perspective:

Since 1950, Every Hart winner has had their number retired by a team, except:


Al Rollins: No Hall of Fame, Never played for a team for more than 5 years

Jose Theodore: No cup, No Hall of Fame (also self explanatory)

Lindros: No cup, No Hall of Fame


Fedorov?: Because of contract disputes? 


Historical Footnote:

Before 1950, it's definitely a much different era. The majority of early MVPs are actually not retired. Retired numbers only really became a thing in the late 70s. Before it was just seems to be for players who had horrible accidents or died during their careers. When they did start retiring number they are rarely from earlier times. (I think this has to do with the growth of the games popularity around this time, and that mass media (HNIC started 1952) made certain players into heros or icons)

#2618715 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 July 2015 - 12:48 PM

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I would consider moving Helm. Krsmith, just looking at your proposed lineup, he looks out of place on that fourth line now, but I've got the exact same top-nine in mind. I can't see him getting "fourth-line" money. Who knows what he's going to ask for next offseason. Abdelkader and DeKeyser will be in for bigger raises, Sheahan and Mrazek smaller ones.

I'd like to see what the team has in Jurco and Pulkkinen, and they're in good shape with Larkin/Athanasiou not far behind. I wouldn't go so far as to call Helm expendable, but he had a good season and he's got younger guys right behind him with higher offensive ceilings.

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't think they'll move Helm. I think they'll kind of do a slow build with Pulkkinen, getting him to earn his ice time. If Mule is healthy, probably use Jurco on the 4th line with Miller-Glendening, which I'm not a fan of at all.

I'm a huge Helm fan and I think he adds a lot of energy and speed to the team and wouldn't want to let him go. I don't think he'll get that much in the offseason unless he has a huge season, but you're right that he won't get 4th line money.


We do have too many forwards, though, and we will also have to deal with the cap and new contracts. We'll have Richards' 4 million cap coming off next year (nhlnumbers says there's a 1 mill bonus) Quincey's 4.25 will also be gone. We'll also have some small contracts likely to take these places (Larkin, Marchenko, Ouelette)


If anyone has to feel the pinch, I would let it be Miller over Helm. I like Miller, but Helm adds more and is a better PKer, can play in most situations. 

#2618694 Retire Sergei Fedorovís Jersey Immediately

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 July 2015 - 11:26 AM



My childhood hero and all time favourite player.


I don't think they would mention it unless it was going to happen.

#2618577 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2015 - 08:56 PM


So what # would you rather see retired, 91 for Feds or 90 just so no FA signing ever has to wear 90 in Detroit again?  

Between those options I'd say #90. I mean, 3rd time's the charm, right?

#2618575 Free agents this off season

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2015 - 08:54 PM

I hope Monster lands somewhere.

#2618045 Phil Kessel Traded to Penguins

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2015 - 01:34 PM

About as many as he normally does...maybe less. 


You know how many goals Chris Kunitz scored on Crosby's wing?  About as many as he did before he was on Crosby's wing. 


Hossa on Datsyuk's wing?  Same has before he was on Datsyuk's wing. 


Playing on Crosby's wing isn't going to make Kessel into Ovechkin. 



Hossa scored 29 in the year previous then scored 40 when paired with Datsyuk. Then in the years following 24, 25, 29. What was the difference? Playing with Datsyuk.


Kunitz has got as high as 35 with Crosby. Previously with the Ducks his highest was 25. Also the mean number is higher during his time with Crosby.


Did you not think someone would check it?

#2617956 Phil Kessel Traded to Penguins

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2015 - 12:20 PM

Kessel will score a ton of goals until playoff time. Pitt GM is an idiot. Dupis and Kunitz became stars playing with Crosby. Definitely did not need Kessel

Dupuis scored 6 goals in 16 games and Kunitz scored 17 in 74. Adding a 30 goal scorer will be huge for them.


Their window is closing in a few years with Crosby and Malkin getting older. Good deal for them.

They just need Defence. I'd keep Erhoff if I were them.

#2617514 Alexander semin being bought out

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2015 - 01:05 PM

Abdlekader - Datsyuk - Semin

Zetterberg - Sheahan - Nyquist

Tatar - Helm - Franzen

Miller- Glendenning - Jurco





Unless Holland's seriously planning on making a trade, that's too many forwards.

Andersson also. Agreed, too many forwards to add anyone except by trade.

#2617474 Mike Richard's Contract Terminated (Not Bought Out)

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2015 - 11:06 AM

Wow.  Did he have sex with a pornstar on the GM's desk?    

#2617152 #73 OA - Defenseman Vili Saarijarvi

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 June 2015 - 06:08 PM

I consider anyone under 5'11" to be on the small end in today's game. I don't see why you would list forwards. I have no problem drafting small, skilled forwards. We have one in Tomas Tatar and another one coming up full time next season in Teemu Pulkkinen that I'm really excited about... I don't like drafting small, skilled defensemen. I think the chance of success as a defender decreases drastically when they lack size. I'm not saying you need to draft big hulking guys with no skill, but there's not a doubt in my mind that there were much better options available when we picked Saarijarvi... There are only about 10 defenders in the league right now that I would consider undersized, none of which I would consider top pair defensemen and none I would want on this team... That's just my opinion though... Some may want a Krug, Ellis, Vatanen or Enstrom, I'd pass on all 4...

Cause I was showing guys 5'10" that have made the league. I was showing my point - didn't know I was supposed to read your mind and respond to your line of thinking. If you want to restrict the converstaion to D men, fine. You've listed a number of guys 5'10" and under who have made it to the NHL. I would also add Tyson Barrie. We do actually have some big guys on D, if Vili is a great offensive guy it would be fine to have one undersized guy back there. 


I appeciate that you thought there were better options. I haven't judged the pick, yet myself since I don't know much about him. I just don't think that size is everything (insert penis joke here).


I would like very much if he became Krug, Rafalski, Ryan Ellis, Tyson Barrie...

#2616929 2015 Draft

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 June 2015 - 11:26 AM

I'm not going to judge too early on this draft because Holland and co. have proven successful at the draft table, but I'm not at all impressed so far either. Really haven't addressed and needs in my opinion. Big skilled Russian winger looks good, but undersized defenseman and a goaltender... Not impressed...

But we do need a goalie with Mrazek moving up and we got a RH defenceman. Those sound like our needs to me

#2615525 Free agents this off season

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 June 2015 - 06:33 PM

Don't think Nyquist is an emerging star

Good player yes, emerging star, no

Regardless, We're rebuilding - you don't trade young talent and a first rounder for a player at the end of their career in that situation.


I'll really hoping for Franson. Yandle would be great if it didn't take too much - otherwise wait for him to be a UFA next year.