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#2638436 11/20 GDT : Los Angeles Kings at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 November 2015 - 08:13 PM

Are we allowed to complain about Smith here? or do we have to measure it with complaints about E and Kindl?

#2638413 Richards to return Friday; Athanasiou sent to GR

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 November 2015 - 07:51 PM

It is sad this team is going to have to lean heavy on Richards if they want to make the playoffs and I think we all know that is not happening. Im resigned to the fact that we are not making the playoffs but at least we should be able to get a decent pick maybe. 

I don't see this at all. I think he was brought here as a secondary player. I think his main purpose was to cover us while Datsyuk was out. Obviously, that didn't go so well since he was injured too, but Larkin was probably not expected to make the team and gave us a boost while Datsyuk was out.


I honestly think Richards Is an extra and looking for a spot now that Datsyuk's back and Larkin is on the team. I hope proves effective on the wing because I'd rather have that than Sheahan on the wing. Maybe someone wants to trade a Dman for him+a couple of our Dmen.

#2637720 The suprising rise of Jakub Kindl

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 17 November 2015 - 09:30 PM

All fans are overly optimistic before every season starts. But that is often not reality. Z, D, and Kronwall are all slowing down do to age and injuries. Which should be expected. I never thought we would get anything out of Franzen-he should never play another game for his own safety. Richards hasn't given anything do to being injured. So while green, kindl, and Larkin have given us more O, it really only balances out what we haven't gotten from others. None of the moves made have moved the bar, just maintained what we were. In the end this team is still a 6th through 10th place team, which is what we have been for 5 years now.

Not to take things to far off topic, but just adding Larkin, Mrazek (first full year), and Green absolutely raises he bar for me. Those are 3 undeniable improvements. I find it hard to think that someone would scoff at adding a top 6 forward, top 4 D, and a capable (or much more) starting goalie. 


Yes, Datsyuk, Z, and Kronwall are on the declining side of their careers, but I don't thinkany one of them has declined from last year to a point where they counteract the improvements to the roster. Z's played as well or better than last year IMO, Datsyuk's still powering up. Kronwall's definitely playing worse, but it's not like he's become Ian White out there.


As for expectations, it was unrealistic to think that the transition from Babs to Blash would go without struggles. I'm predicting that this was the low point of the season. We have Datsyuk back, Helm's playing better, Starting to find more lines with success,  Pulkkinen's an offensive contributor that we didn't have last year, we'll get Richards and Q back at some point. I think the fact that we're where we were last year despite injuries and the transition bodes well for the rest of the season. 


And Kindl will get better too (see, I can keep it on topic).

#2637690 The suprising rise of Jakub Kindl

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 17 November 2015 - 07:12 PM

Stats bare that out. We are currently 13th in goals allowed and 9th in PK. Middle of the road for sure. But is being average ok? Right now for the the wailing and nashing of teeth we are the 6th team in the East. Same spot we were in last year.

Most of this has to do-IMHO, with the belief that we are not getting better. We are stuck in the same spot we have been for the past 4 years. Good enough to make the PO's-maybe, but not good enough to get out of the 1st round.

Just for reference, we are 25th in goals scored and 20th on the PP.

There was a lot of expectation that we'd be better this year since we added Green, Richards. Also, Pulkkinen and Mrazek being up, Larkin hype and Franzen returning.


I still think we will end up better than we did last year. I credit a lot of our early struggles to the team getting used to Blashill's system and finding chemistry with new players. Injuries have also played a part in the struggles. It's also hard to find the chemistry for lines and a team identity when key guys were missing.


I'm not too worried about PK numbers - PP, shots, and goals are the problem.


As for Kindl, this has been a storyline that people were talking about before the season stated with Babs gone - I don't know that he's fulfilled Z's prophecy yet. He has still made some pretty big mistakes. Also, he was pretty good at the end of last year after spend the couple of games in GR so I can't see this year's good play as a dramatic turnaround. 


Would have been hard for him to feel confident when he kept getting scratched in years past. Especially for an offensive minded guy, you have to get into a rhythm and feel comfortable out there.

#2637262 Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 16 November 2015 - 12:13 AM

Don't blame Blash for the fact this team is lacking center and defensive depth.


Don't blame Blash for 7+ years of Holland Complacency.

Z, Pav,Larkin, Richards, Sheahan, Helm, AA, Glendening is pretty damn good center depth to me.


You'll say that some of those guys aren't playing center.

In that case, Pav, Z, Richards(or Shea) Glendening is pretty damn good.


really don't think center depth is a problem. Defence is, but we have a great goaltending duo that will cover up somewhat for that.


I think that offensive chemistry is an issue and forchecking/chrashing the net/


I want to try




#2636991 Nemesis vs. Archenemy: Detroit Red Wings Edition

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 14 November 2015 - 01:37 AM

1. The Red Wings Organization

N: Avalanche

A: The grand conspiracy against us


2. Steve Yzerman

N: Sakic

A: Martin St. Louis?


3. Nick Lidstrom

N: ?

A: ?


4. Chris Osgood

N: Roy

A: Adverbs other than 'very'


5. Pavel Datsyuk

N: Corey Perry

A: Hat-tricks


6. Ken Holland

N: LGWers

A: Shootouts


7. Mike Ilitch

N: John Oliver (anyone see that segment against publicly funded arenas?)

A: Domino's


8. Henrik Zetterberg

N: Crosby, Shea Weber, Toews

A: Beard trimmers of the world


9. Johan Franzen

N: Chris Neil, Babcock

A: Patrick Kane's mouthguard


10. Darren McCarty

N: The turtle

A: Those people he put a restraining order on

#2636800 Pulkkinen fined for diving

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 13 November 2015 - 01:20 PM


I don't get it. Are you trying to say that Nyquist doesn't draw penalties anymore becuase he got caught for diving?

Sorry, maybe I said it in an unclear way. To me, it does seem to me that Nyquist draws a lot of penalties. He was caught for the dive of course, but I've noticed him do the chicken wing 'hold the stick so it looks like he's hooking me' thing a few times. Then there's been a bunch were he's gone down, but didn't look like a dive.


I was just hoping to see if anyone had numbers to show how many calls are with him involved. 

#2636725 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 November 2015 - 11:56 PM


First Miller (you're wrong) and now this (you're right). You enjoy putting a target on your back, Bill. Get ready to duck.


I agree with your assessment of Holland. His success is the product of the '89 draft, Andersson, Bowman, and Nill.

Nill passed on drafting Larkin and chose Julius Honka. Honka could be really good too, but so far Holland's winning vs. Nill in drafting since he left because of this decision. 


The argument that Holland's success was due to others is one that can't be proven or disproven. There's no way that you know what happened behind closed doors so making that statement is just based on biased rather than fact. Think what you want to think.

Z will end up scoring like 70+ points this year and his cap hit is only 6 million.

Holland did well with that one. Same with the Datsyuk and Franzen deals.
Althought Franzens deal would have looked great if he actually played

No. Nill negotiated the Z deal and Datsyuk made his own deal because he's magic. Holland is responsible for Franzen's deal because people hate that guy. 

#2636663 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 November 2015 - 04:30 PM

Hovers around 20ish goals? 


He hit 20 once, his next best season was 10 goals and he did that twice. Abby will never crack 15 goals again let alone hover around 20. 


Anyone who thinks Abby is a 20 goal scorer going forward must think that Cheechoo is still a 50 goal scorer. 

23 goals last year. 10 goals in the Lockout shortened season (you have to look at games played) so you almost double that calculating for a full 82 games (19 maybe).


Then the 2 full seasons he played before that while on the 3rd and 4th lines (7 and 8 goals).  


13-14 is a concerning dip down to 10 goals, but otherwise, if you account for the line he was playing with and the role served, it looks like a pretty steady progression.

#2636526 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 November 2015 - 02:16 AM

Well he's definitely worth 4 million. He would get that anywhere and we want to keep him. 


The relevant comparison for this was Belesky. They had a similar production in past years. Belesky had a break season with Perry+Getzlaf with 32 points and got 3.8 for 5 years. Abdelkader had 1 more goal and 11 more assists than him. So he'd get more. 


Side Note: Ducks let Belesky go - now they suck. Was he more important to that team and their 1st line than people thought? (disclaimer: i haven't watch them so I don't really know what's going on with them) How big a hole would it be without Abby?


7 years is a little scary and I would have preferred 5. I'll wait to see the actual caphit to decide how much I dislike that. He has been pretty durable throughout his career. Also, I think if this were family feud and LGWers were asked to guess who would be lifelong Wings (excluding the generation of Z, Dats, Kron) Abdelkader would probably be the first answer. (maybe Larkin and DK as next favourites) So I don't trading him is something that would really happen.

#2636498 11/10 GDT : Washington Capitals at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 11 November 2015 - 10:34 PM

in regards to the pics above, the red line is the same width as the red pole, which, BTW, is parallel with the red line....thus you can clearly see that the puck is well behind both the red post AND the red line.  As a matter of fact you can see the color difference on the ice of the red line and the puck fully behind it.  Fortunately this didn't change the outcome of the game for us, but I agree,  something different has to be done.  Whatever happened to the NHL putting the sensor chip in the puck? The chip would trip a colored light when it passed over the red line then another when it fully cleared the line into the net.  If the puck hit the line and came back out, the light (or indicator) would simply just turn back off.  Indicator on when it is crossing the line, goal indicator when it enters the net fully.  Simple.

That's assuming that the red line in parallel with the top of the photo. We can't see what angle the red line is or the other post so all we can see is the puck beside the post. There's a video that I posted that I think shows the puck in the net so there's no real need to argue about the photo, but it's certainly not a clearcut shot despite Bill's attempts to try to mock SDavis35. 


The other bit of common sense on this one is that goalies don't flip the puck out of the crease - they cover it or pick it up. If you flip it out you're just offering up a rebound. You flip it if it's in the net as an Oh f***!


As for the strategy of letting Mrazek see OV shoot - I thought it looked like that too. It could be a good idea - cover every other option and they'll go to him and your goalie's prepared. But....in Blashill's postgame, his criticism was that they gave up "way too many PP shots to OV" (paraphrase) so it seems that this probably wasn't the plan, haha.


I was a little rediculous for the Caps to keep going to OV in the same spot. I know he's one of the best goal scorers, but there was the one segment where he took 3 identical shots with identical setups in a matter of seconds. Everyone knows it's going there - why not switch sides or something, skate around with it, try to throw it in front. But, hey, it usually works for them.

#2636263 Athanasiou recalled by Red Wings

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 November 2015 - 09:15 PM


Based off what? Because he looked below average in his first game?

Could he be great? Maybe. Sure.

I'd trade him if you could get a proven player though.


AA, Nyq, Smith, Pulks for Kopitar (SIGNED ON TRADE)

Everybody else here thought AA played great. What did you see that you didn't like?


I think that's a horrifically terrible trade idea. He's just a RENTAL and you're giving up our top scorer, a high prospect that will play on this team and could be a big part of the future, and Pulks who could be a 20 goals scorer. 

#2636169 2015-16 Prospect Watch

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 November 2015 - 02:50 PM



I like this guys story and the article reflects well on his character.


He's currently 25th in QMJHL scoring, but those higher on the ranking all have more games played (as much as 6 more gp)

#2636078 Athanasiou recalled by Red Wings

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 09 November 2015 - 01:39 PM

Would you re-sign him?

No. I think we have some players coming up that can fill that role and have facets to their game. Bertuzzi, Callahan?


If we do for his same price, though, I won't be heartbroken.

#2636075 Athanasiou recalled by Red Wings

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 09 November 2015 - 01:32 PM

People dont like stats around here. Miller is gonna be a minus 100 for his career at this rate, but people are infatuated with him. Makes me laugh that we play him over Jurco and Mantha.

Man, you keeping acting like people are in love with Miller. Can't really think of anyone. Some say he's a good PKer or under-appreciated. Many don't want AA or Mantha playing on the 4th line and having to cover PK duties. You seems to miss the difference between that and infatuation. I'm sure most would love to replace him with a left wing version of Glendening or Helm (someone with a bit of scoring and other facets to their game), but he does what he does well.


Also, Miller's only -3. Sheahan, Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, Marchenko are all lower than him and Mr. Miller gets the toughest defensive assignments along with Glendening. He isn't used for offence so his +/- means something different than it would for an offensive forward.