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#2673138 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 23 April 2016 - 03:07 AM

I said not sure he likes to do it, not that he doesn't do it. But and this is a key thing. Your list is everyone he has brought in for the last 10 years. How many are in any way shape or form are stars? 1 was Hossa. The rest were way past their primes/trying to hang on, journeymen fillers, and unknown risks. This is something that should worry/scare all RW fans. If past performance is a predictor of the future we can cross every big name UFA off of the list this summer.

Saying "he doesn't like to do it" means "doesn't do it" to me. Why would his mindset have any bearing on anything? From your characterization, I can deduce that we might get Yandle, but, hey, Holland will have an internal battle about it. If you're interested in predicting whether we'll sign a UFA, then we're looking at whether we've done it in the past.


My list was not everyone from the past 10 years. Only Hossa is from that long ago. The rest were all brought in the last 5 years (Conklin was brought in twice - once a few years ago). I'm sure there are some that I didn't list as well - someone mentioned Cole, Zidlicky and Coliacovo, Huskins, were also other players from outside the organization.


Alfie, Weiss, Green, Dekeyser were all top UFAs in their years. Alfie and Weiss were past their primes, but Green and DK don't fit your categorization the UFAs we've brought in (yes, Green may be past his prime in the sense that he's not the award winner that he was, but he was 29 when we signed him and he's still a very good hockey player).

#2673045 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 April 2016 - 05:12 PM

Maybe there's some Swedish House Mafia running in the locker room, but that's as close as that blog article could to be to the truth.

#2672825 Pavel Datsyuk Career Appreciation Thread (Mod Warning Post #40)

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 April 2016 - 10:30 PM

Thanks for 14 years of magic!


953 games

918 points

2 cups.

1 Bronze Medal

4 Lady Byngs

3 Selkes


He'll be in the Hall


Haven't seen anyone ask the question: 13 in the rafters? For franchise records:


8th in Games

7th in Goals

5th in Assists

6th in Points

3rd in +/-

#2672437 ECQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 April 2016 - 08:07 PM


#2672004 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 April 2016 - 10:33 PM

Chicago has remained competitive despite their moves, not because of them. Bowman deserves to be applauded for maintaining a solid secondary cast, but Holland and the Wings have been doing the same thing for twice as long. It is far harder to replace your very best players. I'd venture to say it's impossible without a great deal of luck. We'll see how Bowman handles that when the time comes.

We've been building from the draft. It takes patience. I do believe we've been replacing our best players. I think Mrazek, Larkin, and Dekeyser are "core" worthy players. Maybe Mantha, Sverchnikov or AA step up to that level. Tatar and Nyquist are on the edge of that as well. I know people are down because we slumped in the second half, but we made the playoffs and we are deep into the rebuild currently. I think things look great for the future.


I mean who'll be left from the old guard? Z, Kronwall, and maybe Howard (though he's only 32) They'll be good for leadership even if they're not elite in the coming years (though, Howie could/should be traded). I don't understand why people want to tear it down completely.


This was a smart savy move by Bowman. Sharp was 33 at the time and making 5.9 million per year. He just finished a season were his goal scoring dropped by 50% without missing any games and playing on the B hawks top line. Bowman also had to resign his younger stars. So he moved Sharp believing he was in decline. Well he was right. Sharpe went from 30+ goals with the hawks, to 17 goals to 16 goals this past season with the Stars. he is now 34. Now compare with say Z. Z is 2 years older and signed for 5 more years at a higher cap. His production has dropped at an equal rate as Sharp. Is there any chance at all the Holland will ever move Z? Even if it is the best thing for the team? That if the difference between a great GM trying to win and a average GM that is trying not to loose.

They moved Sharp because they were in a cap crunch not because he was declining. I'm sure they would have kept him if they could fit him in. 


And what's up with the false stats?

Sharp had 20 goals and 55 pts with the Stars this year. That's UP from his 16 goals and 43 pts with the Hawks the year before. Did you lie just to force your argument?


Also, in the 2014-15 season when his goals dipped to 16, he didn't play the full season as you say, and only played 68 due to injury. Here's a link:



#2671389 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 April 2016 - 07:52 PM

Would like that, but he's having a pretty bad game

I take it back, Dominance, you were right!!!!

#2670039 ECQF Game 3 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 17 April 2016 - 03:06 PM

Smith should be in, but pairing him with Green seems like a bad idea to me. Those 2 are the ones that like to jump up in the play the most and I think it'd be better to stick them with Marchenko, DK or E. 


Q also deserves to be in too, though. I mean, he has been preparing his playoff beard for quite a while - we should let him show it off. Such a move suggests to me that he might be injured. If he's not, this pretty much confirms that we won't re-signing him after this year.


I love me some Mrazek so it will be great to see how he does. Part of me wanted to keep Howard in because the loses haven't been his fault (and also to get his trade value up).


Mr. Andersson, why do you persist?


Go Wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I honestly don't like Quincey, but he was far better than Ericsson or Green in the last two games.

I also don't get how Blash can think that it's smart to play the worst forwards in a top6 role with 2 of our best wingers in the bottom six role. Must have lost his mind. 


I really like Blashill, but if that's how he wants to win tonight, then he deserves to be demoted right away. Wouldn't fire him as I clearly believe in him...but this one seems to be over his head right now and it may be better if somebody else takes over...

Green was one of our best players in the first game. Q was better than E. I like Q however....

#2667827 ECQF Game 1 GTD: Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 ET

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 13 April 2016 - 07:12 PM

During the first int. the studio crew on FSD talked about the RW's need to find a way to work into the high traffic areas in front of Bishop. Just wondering whom the RW's have that could do that? Answer: He is in GR tonight.

I agree. Bring back Cleary!!!!!

#2667093 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 11 April 2016 - 01:58 PM

A little off topic, but can anyone see a player like Abby scoring 20 goals without Datsyuk? I love the guy (Abby), but I don't see it (though would love to be wrong). "Fixing this mess" is going to get very messy and very real.

I'm pretty sure Abby hasn't played very much with Datsyuk this year. Datsyuk's been with Helm and Richards or Mantha. So...yes

#2666877 Mantha

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 April 2016 - 04:06 PM

There's no point to this. No one in their right mind expects this team to go anywhere based off the last half of the season we've had. This lineup failed multiple times to secure their own destiny against nonplayoff teams and the AHL Ranger squad. There's a win win with using Mantha and AA and that's valuable playoff experience (with Datsyuk's final games no less) and at the same time maybe one of them has a breakout series. This 23rd ranked offense is not going to get us anywhere.

With our normal lineup I wouldn't consider any of the lines "solid" besides the 4th line that barely gets to play. Maybe Datsyuk's line is decent, but at the same time the potential could be so much higher without stonehands Helm and Richards. Who is supposed to finish on that line? Datsyuk and Richards are pass first playmakers and Helm is a grinder.

Agreed on Datsyuk's line. I've never liked Tatar and Nyquist together. I'd put Tat-Dats-Helm back together that was good last year. and maybe Rich-AA-Nyquist for 3rd

#2666868 Mantha

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 April 2016 - 03:39 PM

It'd be the only possible reason anyone could believe a top 6 of Helm, Richards, Z, Abby, Larkin, and Datsyuk is gonna do any damage. Clown show.

We spread out the lines - Tatar and Nyquist are top 6 guys. Last year Johnson did the majority of damage on the 3rd line. Better to have 3 solid lines than be top heavy.

#2666697 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 09 April 2016 - 11:06 PM


Only by taking on the contract of a guy who will never play again.  Detroit already has Franzen eating up money for not playing, and probably Zetterberg in the not too distant future, how much more money will the Ilitches OK for that?

You seem to have gone over the deep end with your pessimism. Z was 1 of only 3 of our players to play the full 82 games this year. Anyway, if you're really concerned about this possibility and Illitch's pocket book,  Z's actual salary does the big nosedive after the next 2 years. Then those last 3 year of his contract he makes, 3.5, 1, and 1. If, for some reason, he doesn't play those years, it wouldn't be a huge dent in the owner's coffers.


Anyway, It's pretty certain we would pay over the cap if it wasn't there. Without even considering inflation. Our current cap (74.1 mill) isn't up to what Ilitch paid for the 2003-04 Wings (77.85 mill). I'm sure Ilitch wouldn't mind paying a few million extra. I've always assumed that these long contracts were signed by both sides with the knowledge that the final years possibly wouldn't be played.


Also, your point doesn't apply to the Howard discussion because I'm pretty sure that retained salary still marks against the cap so it wouldn't be Ilitch spending more money - just wasted cap space - which would be weighed against benefits of the capspace created be getting rid of the rest of Jimmy's contract

#2665742 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 April 2016 - 12:56 AM

BTW, I'm still waiting for Abdelkader to score 3 goals over his last 12 games to hit 20 and show all us doubters that he's worth that shiny new contract.  14 goals and 36 points in 78 games since his hot start.  Totally worth $30 mil over 7 years.  Can't wait for his decline in 2 or 3 years where they're paying over $4 mil a season for 20 points.

First of all, Abby has 18 goals, so he only needs 2. Maybe you meant he needed 3 12 games ago? Could score Saturday.


Second, Abby has definitely shown his worth recently. He's been one of best guys out there.


Third, Abby is 3 points short of last years point total. It's in 10 more games, but in the context of a team that's transitioning to new coaches and has been offensive starved, I think that's fine. To look at this context, he's our 3rd highest goals scorer and 8 pts. from leading the team in points.


Fourth, for your complaints about spending efficiency - his caphit is still 1.8 mill and that's a steal for what he contributes. His contract is too long and he'll probably be overpayed caphit-wise for some later years, but It should be considered that we've had a surprise top 6 player this year and last year paid like someone in the bottom 6. In the larger picture, that should counteract some later over-payment when thinking of a player's worth. In the context of our team's total payroll, we'll have a couple entry contracts that will be "steals" (Larkin, AA...maybe others) for a while, so I don't see Abby's contract inhibiting us.

#2663476 3/29 GDT - Red Wings at Canadiens - 7:30 PM EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 March 2016 - 11:59 AM


I love your optimism.


I don't love your sense of reality.


Did you watch the Boston game last night? Would you say NJ at home is better or worse than MTL without Subban and Price? Yes we outshot them, but how many of our shots were from the perimeter? How many quality 3rd period chances did we have compared to what we allowed? I can count at least 3 unbelievable saves Howard made to keep the game 4-3. Did you watch the 1st period? I also remember a glove save that Howard made that would have made the game 3-0.


The last 14 minutes of the Boston game the ice was completely tilted. NJ probably didn't touch the puck in the offensive zone during the last 6 minutes, and I hope there is someone on this board who also watched this game to verify what I'm saying. It was utter domination against a respectable team, yes sometimes a goalie steals you a game but what teams have we dominated lately? We just played Buffalo and Montreal, and we were fortunate to get 2 points.


I hope I'm wrong, but to say that we have a good chance to beat Boston next week on the road, on the second game of a back to back is something different than optimism. To say that we "have a shot against any team in the east in a 7 game series" makes me question how many games you've watched lately. Did you watch the Pittsburgh game? The Buffalo game? The Montreal game? What part of any of the games we've played the past week gives you any indication that this team is built and ready to compete in the Stanley Cup Playoffs? Were only missing Drew Miller for god sake. Pittsburgh didn't have Malkin, Maata, and still destroyed us... Do we even have a player on our team as good as Malkin or Maata? Montreal was missing Subban and Price and beat us... Do we even have a player on our team as good as Subban or Price?


Maybe its me, or maybe Petr Mrazek's unbelievable stretch from earlier this winter is the only reason the playoffs are even a (slim) possibility. What makes anyone think he can regain that form?

Sense of reality check here:


Wings have played 3 games in 4 days - It's not surprise that they looked out of gas in the third. I know it's desperate times and everyone wants them to "show heart" and get it done, but you can't ignore that fact.


We just have to beat Boston here and they've been 3-6-1. I believe!


p.s. Price is probably best goalie in the league and amongst the leagues' MVPs - there's few players in the league as good as him.

#2650006 Goalie Battle

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 25 January 2016 - 03:10 PM

I'm a JImmy supporter and I think he's nowhere as bad or "average" as many say on this site. But with Mrazek so emphatically grabbing the #1 spot I do think it will be increasingly important to get rid of JImmy's contract. I was originally fine with Jimmy sharing for this year and next year and then being an overpayed backup for the remaining couple of years of his contract, but the transitioning looks to have already taken place and I think Mrazek will demand a heftier price accordingly when his contract's up. The longer we wait, the more other teams think of JImmy as a backup goalie and the less attractive he looks. It may be the offseason or next year, but the sooner the higher the value he'll have i think. 


Finding a backup isn't that big a problem and I'm sure we could get one back in the deal or pick up someone in the offseason.