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#2608116 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 16 May 2015 - 01:30 PM

I didn't see Darren : having sit down interviews with Hitch, Bylsma, McClellan, and Carlyle to discuss their decision making process. There are also not up to the minute twitter posts and articles discussing the very latest developments regarding everybody else. If you think they're the same thing, you're obviously not looking too hard at all the hype Babcock is garnering.

Why don't they care about these other guys? McClellan has a higher winning percentage. Bylsma has a comparable winning percentage AND as many cups. Hitchcock has as many Cups and has 700 wins. But Mike is the story for some reason. Presumably because hype builds on itself.

I'll let Wikipedia's intro paragraphs show the "some reason": I just took title acheivements.


Babcock: "As of May 2015, he is the only coach to gain entry to the Triple Gold Club, guiding his Red Wings to the Stanley Cup in 2008, as well as leading Team Canada to gold at the IIHFIce Hockey World Championships in 2004, the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver and the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi. Babcock is the only coach to win five national or international titles, guiding Canada to gold at the IIHF World Junior Championships in 1997 and the University of Lethbridge to theCIS University Cup in 1994."


Bylmsa: "On June 12, 2009, four months after becoming head coach in Pittsburgh, Bylsma led the Penguins to their third Stanley Cup Championship winning in 7 games over the Detroit Red Wings."


Hitchcock: "He coached the Stars to a Stanley Cup victory in 1999. He also served as an assistant coach for the 2014 Canadian Olympic Hockey Team."


McClennan: "former head coach of the San Jose Sharks of the National Hockey League.[1]"


Carlyle: He won the Stanley Cup in 2007 with his previous team, the Anaheim Ducks.[3]


I think if you step back from your anti-Bab position you'd realize why he's being covered the way he is. He's kind of a star especially because the olympic wins brought him into the limelight. He's also in this rare situation where he's a coach who's looking for jobs without having been fired by a team (usually a non-playoff team). Babcock has done a lot for this team so he deserves the right to explore other jobs. This is the soonest time he could have talked to other teams and helped us out by not waiting to free agency. The media is obnoxious, though, but that's the nature of mass media.

#2607891 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 14 May 2015 - 10:01 PM

Stephen Weiss was a Mike Babcock signing, look it up.


His best signing was Brunner and disney.com. If you want to give him a star you should thank Holland for not giving Brunner the 3 year, $3.5 million per yr Brunner's agent asked. 

I looked it up and I can't find anything that says this.


Alfie, Monster, Brunner, Glendening, and Dekeyser were all great signings.

#2607650 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 14 May 2015 - 12:43 AM

Who knows, but if it is true, sort of a slap to babs face. Not even considered? Damn. We'll see if its true I guess. 

McLellan seems to have made a good impression on Hall and Eberle at Worlds. They interviewed him there. Babs is there too. He could have said of the record he wasn't interested. Who knows.



#2607550 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 13 May 2015 - 04:01 PM

Now that Montreal is out, cue the Babcock to Montreal rumours.  Babs no speak French though.  



Lesson #1:


Realgud translates as Tresbun

#2607428 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 May 2015 - 08:48 PM

Edmonton doesn't need a $5m/yr Babcock when they can get McLellan for say $2.5m/yr ... end result won't be much different.  

I don't get the money argument. Coaches don't count against the cap. When you're paying 70+ million for players you know they've got the extra money. Anyway, they're an organization under great scrutiny by the media and fans - they wouldn't scrimp to turn it around. Just Babcock's name would bring them some much needed good publicity. 

#2607364 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 May 2015 - 02:35 PM

If I'm Babcock and my choices are oilers, leafs, sabres, flyers, without a doubt i'm choosing the oilers.


With their young talent they're bound to turn things around (even thouugh recent history has suggested otherwise. Add to that, McDavid and a new GM who can draft. I think he'd be able to whip their defensive game into shape and they could turn things around. Then he could be a hero right close to his hometown. That would be a storyline that would be very tempting.


Leafs and Sabres are too far down the rebuilding hole. Flyers have a young core but there's been so many bad moves from their management that it would turn me off. I know Holmgren was responsible for most of them and he's now promoted, but he's still there and they're still stuck with Lecavalier. Hextall is unproven as an NHL GM. So far, the Hartnell trade was a bit of a head-scratcher for me though he did have a rough 12-13 and I don't know how Umberger has been for them.


Then again, if I'm Babcock, I'd never leave the Wings, 

#2606981 Artemi Panarin

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 May 2015 - 12:39 PM

The article talks of them trading Sharp. They'd want low cost players and prospects with potential. That could be doable for us. 

#2606791 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 May 2015 - 05:00 PM

I read an article that ottawa will look to get rid of some guys cause there a budget team and wanna sign up stone and other kids

Now I know some of you hate chris neil and he's gonna be 36 in June but I've loved his game for along time and detroit needs to be higher and more physical and neil brings that and is locked up to 1.5 for just one year left

If you ask me he'd fit in nicely on the 4th with glendening Ferraro ... Time to get rid of miller and get some change

Neil glendening Ferraro

Sounds nice to me

Will he fly in with his cape on?

#2606754 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 May 2015 - 01:39 PM


Which is exactly my point.  One of those guys is a rookie, and the other is a 35 year old goofball who's career was in the toilet prior to coming to Nashville.  Yet both produced significantly better than expected this year.  Why?  Either because Forsberg is some otherworldly rookie who's a superstar in the making (he's not) and Ribiero experienced some sort of personal renaissance (he didn't).  Or because Peter Laviolette's style of hockey maximizes the scoring potential of the guys who play in it.


Conversely, the Red Wings had a healthy Dats and Z all season AND got career years out of Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, and Abby and we were a worse scoring team (even strength) than they were a year ago.    


Nashville got less production out of Neal than they got out of Hornqvist the year before under Trotz, but the teams overall production rose under Laviolette.  They got signficantly less when you factor in Spaling's production as well. 


But I agree, he is a giant ******. 

Ribeiro never really dipped and you can't really claim a resurgence under Laviolette. he had 49pts in 48 games in the lockout shortened 12-13. He had one down season in 13-14 with 47pts in 80gp, but that could be explained by the fact that he was playing for the coyotes, who were a worse team than the Predators or The Caps. That season is also complicated by the fact that he apparently had some issues with alcohal/partying which lead to him being bought out.


Forsberg just played his first full year so I would think it more plausible that he was getting used to the league in his 18 games of the 2 preceding years. 

#2606577 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 May 2015 - 01:45 PM

Bertuzzi seems like he came out of nowhere.  I remember when the Wings drafted him most folks on LGW looked at it as a throw-away pick, or a favor to Todd Bertuzzi or something along those lines.  Ever since he was drafted, though, the kid has been exceeding everyone's expectations (except perhaps the Wings' organization, who may have knows the potential this kid had the whole time (?)).

Now he is on my list of most anticipated players to see in a Wings' uniform, along with Athanasiou, Larkin, and Mantha.

Something tells me they might have had an inside source.

#2606572 Franzen on IR

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 May 2015 - 01:36 PM

This is something that the various PA's need to address. Come up with a mandatory max number a player can have before being forced to retire. Sometimes with the money involved players have to be protected from themselves.

Not sure that would be a good idea. Players that didn't want to retire would just lie about having concussions. Also, it would be to hard to come up with a number since concussions have different levels of severity and are hard to measure. I also think they should have control of when they want to stop. They have doctor's advising them on their health.


Some kind of concussion relief fund would be good, though. For Franzen's case, he would still get paid, right, if he went on LTIR.

#2606234 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 May 2015 - 09:38 PM


Babcock calls guys out all the time.  He's done so with Kindl and Weiss recently.  And justifiably do.  He's done so with White, Commodore, Smith, and even Hudler in the past.  Why is it no problem when Babs calls out a pro, but Jimmy D does so with a prospect? 


Because Mantha's in his first year pro. All those guys are older, have been the league for a while. Those players aren't dealing with hype of a first round pick, moving away from home for the first time, their first major injury, turning pro, etc. 


Also, Babs does treat younger players differently. There's been a couple of articles on that in the past few years since we've added youth. It's a smart strategy. Younger players generally haven't developed the mental fortitude. Harsh criticism misplace could mess up their development and can ultimately hurt the organization. Obviously, confidence is a huge part of the game. 


Again, I see no reason to poo poo the kid.  The league, and/or the world, don't give a s*** how sensitive this kid is treated.  You either get over the hump or you don't.  That's on him.  But I don't think the organization deserves praise and/or criticism for how delicately they treat an adult man. 


So an organization can treat a prospect anyway they want and no one can criticize them either way? How Tyrantical.


I think the central part that people have a problem with is that he did it public and now Mantha has to deal with it in the media. Just google his name to see how many news organizations picked up this story. Dealing with media is definitely new to him as a young player. 


Finally, I don't think Devellano's comments are that big a deal and Mantha respond to them in a good manner. I think it would have been better to keep it behind closed doors, but he was just saying what we and Mantha already knew. I just really thought your response was over the top, Kip. Maybe it was to counteracted everyone who's very against the comments?

#2605980 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 07:40 PM


He played over 80% of the regular season games and all of the playoff games so far.


I'm not necessarily in support of the comment - at the least, the "very, very, very" could have been excluded.  But, 'disappointing' seems... appropriate.  Who knows what motivates this kid, though?  Maybe it lights a fire under him and he lights Rockford up in the next series.

62 of 82 is between 75 and 76%.


He played 3/4ths of the season while trying to come back from a broken leg and adjust to pro level hockey. His stats (62gp,13g,18a,33pts) are actually really similar to Tatar's (58gp,16g,16a, 32pts) first year in GR. I'm not overly worried yet.

#2605937 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 03:45 PM

Boston fired their gm and there's a very good chance they will fire their coach too. Just making the playoffs isn't good enough for them.

The penguins fired their gm and coach last year for underachieving and let's not forget they have won the cup more recently than us as well as making it past the second round more recently than us.

The Kings just won a cup last year so their situation isn't really comparable. They are allowed a free pass. But I bet if they miss the post season again next year there will be another gm and head coach vacancy.

The point is other franchises don't accept making the playoffs as good enough. We shouldn't either. Over half the teams make the playoffs. Just making it means you're little better than average.

We're 6 years removed now from a deep post season run. Think about where you were 6 years ago and how much has changed since then. It's a long time. And it's an eternity in sports.

Holland had made plenty of great moves yes. But he's also made plenty of bad ones also and he deserves a good amount of the blame for our post season failures since after all it's his job to run the team and everyone ultimately answered to him. Does that mean we fire him now? No. But the seat should start to be heating up at this point. You only get so many free passes.

Uh, The Bruins missed the playoffs. "Just making the playoffs" may have been enough for the GM to keep his job - we don't know. He traded away a young star who is now thriving with Seguin, and put the team in a cap situation where they had to trade away boychuck, and couldn't re-sign Iginla. This clear mismanagement put them in the position that they went from a top team to missing the playoffs


Pens' GM got fired because they mortgaged the future on deadline acquisitions that failed and have failed supply complimentary players around a core that should be good enough to go far. 

#2605865 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 02:10 AM


This is why I have no issue with Holland not signing UFA's, they have a tendency of being busts. Take 2013 for example, 3 of the biggest UFA's were Lacavalier, Wiess, and Clarkson. Every single one of them got big contracts, and every single one of them were busts.


The way to go is homegrown talent. Making a trade or signing a UFA can work, but it has to be the right player that you have no doubt will fit in your system.

2013 was a ridiculous year of regretful UFA signings. As well as the signings you listed:

Ribeiro was bought out by Coyotes

Horton was traded

Clowe's only really played 1 year (career possibly over due to concussion - so that's a bit different)

Brunner and the Devils "mutually terminated their contract" 

Briere traded by Habs


There was some really good signings last year (Hawks-Richards, Pens-Erhoff, Flames-Hiller) but those are all short term and 2 were special circumstances. Still many long term contracts that will be regretted I think.