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#2533445 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 August 2014 - 12:24 AM

Even healthy the team hardly killed and lost against very beatable enemies. To each their own opinion but most experts and people in the know would put the Bolts and Pens over the Wings and rightfully so. The Rangers have a great defense and well the King, Habs Price so yeah even fully healthy those teams are just better. I would go as far saying that this Wings edition will be worse than the one we've had last season. The defense just isn't good enough to get the job done

Well, Weiss was never healthy last year so he can be thought of a new asset. Without considering him, though, I don't think there was ever a time last year when vets were healthy (Z, Dats, Franzen, Helm) and the kids (Nyquist, Tats, Jurco, Sheahan) were on the team. That combination, Weiss playing realgud, and if Howard returns to form, then I really think this is a very different team. Lots of ifs, but I'm pretty optimistic. 


Bolts and Pens also have uncertainty as well:


Pens: How will they play under a new coach? How will their defence be with Niskanen and Orpik being replaced by erhoff? How much will the loss of James Neil be felt?


Bolts: What will it be like without St. Louis for a whole season? Will Bishop be that good again? - he did have wrist surgery during this offseason. Will Stralman and Wideman fix their defence problems? (alright so the last question is almost certainly yes)

#2533229 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 July 2014 - 09:37 PM

Whether people love the money angle of the deal or not, at least we can say that the guy actually did something to earn his deal. I like it personally, especially considering we really haven't been spending to the cap the last few years. We didn't do as well as we perhaps could've by Tatar the last year or so, and giving him a deal like this makes up for it a bit without it truly being any sort of overpayment. 

That's not true. Last year we were so close to the cap that we had to do all kinds of financial acrobatics to make it work.


Great to sign Tatar! Lead the Griffins to the Calder Cup and won the trophy for playoff MVP. scores 19 goals in 73 games in his first full season with the wings. I think the money is fine when you think of all that 

#2532751 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 July 2014 - 10:06 PM


It's a moot point since we have Quincey signed, but I definitely would've taken a flyer on Del Zotto with Babs teaching him. Guy has undeniable offensive talents, just needs some work in the d-zone.

Del Zotto is also 24! Most of our players have barely seen the NHL by that age and he's played 5 years. I think that things point to him turning things around and he could be a steal for someone. Just needs some good guidance.


As a side note, I think he's a good example of what can happen to a player when they don't play at least their first year in the AHL.

#2531888 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 12 July 2014 - 11:24 PM


It has the potential and likelihood of being $2.5 million for a player that produced all of eight points last season. Tomas Jurco scored eight goals alone in about 15 fewer games than Cleary and was a big reason why the Red Wings made the playoffs at all. If your argument is that this deal is somehow a bargain for Cleary, I completely disagree. Brendan Morrow and Dany Heatley got less money than Cleary too, so there's two examples of (better) veteran players that were more affordable than Cleary. 


Cleary got his chance last season to go out with his head held high (a mistake a year ago too, no less) at the expense of the Red Wings MVP. There's plenty to be upset about. Hence, 24 pages of this thread and not many positive vibes going around. 

I don't like the signing, but I don't think money is really worth complaining about. Last year when Cleary signed at 1.75 mill it was definitely less than what he would have made elsewhere. It was also less than we offered him earlier (2 mill I think). He did this because we were against the cap by the time signed. 2.5 is partly paying for last year's salary I think. This year we are not going to be close to the cap and the 1.5 mill cap hit won't matter. The 1 mill bonus will count against next year's cap - a year when we'll have Mzasek, Mantha, Sproul, and maybe others at low caphit - so it won't matter.


The reason to get mad about this signing is because he showed himself as a very ineffective player last year and he takes a roster spot.


P.S. Holland said specifically that Cleary would have to beat someone out for a spot and would be a good insurance (paraphrase - I forget exact words.) I still feel like there's a good chance that doesn't play 10 games. If he does play more than 10 games then hopefully it is because the Dan Cleary of old is magically (or medically) back. I'm okay with those 2 scenarios.

#2531398 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 July 2014 - 09:55 PM

Sign and trade?


Technically he would have kept his promise.


Tell teams we'll even keep 2.5 mill of his salary.

#2530720 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 July 2014 - 10:51 PM

I agree on Tatar. Beyond size and defensive shortcomings he is a really special player I feel. Nothing like Hudler except in those two characteristic (and perhaps a propensity to party). Tatar is a catalyst - he drives the play, make something from nothing, provides that spark, (and other cliches). It's that winning drive that you see in him that I think is actually rare. Babcock put as "one of the ones that drives the bus." at some point this past year.

#2529995 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 July 2014 - 03:51 PM

And that's why the regular season is the regular season... We beat the Kings too but wouldn't have stood a chance against them in the playoffs, we have a completely hollow defense

So teams don't try in the regular season? Or there level of play in the regular season isn't indicative of their level? So Edmonton could possibly win in the playoffs if they would just make it?


I don't buy that the "regular season is the regular season" What is there to back it up? There's always logic behind the discrepancies.


We beat the kings in the season because they had some real problems with offence during the season. They worked things out and also brought in Gaborik, which gave them a big boost in the playoffs.


We lost so handily to the Bruins in the playoffs because Z and Datsyuk were dealing with significant injuries, our youth disappeared with the playoff pressure due to inexperience, Ericsson injuries forced the Kindl and Lashoff, Weiss injured forced Legwand on the team unsettling the lineup even more since he played himself onto the 4th line.


I know, I know, no excuses - but come on - Those factors don't account for the difference between regular season results against the Bruins and playoff results?

#2527470 UFA day looking up

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2014 - 11:22 PM

The Wings will look to re-sign defenseman Kyle Quincey


Per the Red Wings official website

...and the rest of the sentence: ",but the 28-year-old will most likely receive a bigger offer on the open market than Detroit is willing to spend."



#2527423 Red Wings rookie camp roster revealed

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2014 - 09:31 PM

Hampus Melen must still be injured or still playing in Sweden so I'm glad we gave a tryout to Hampus Gustafsson to fullfill our organizational need for more Hampus.

#2527354 UFA day looking up

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2014 - 07:29 PM

Obviously father does taxes the body, but do you guys actually think that Zetterberg and Datsyuk are going to play less games than last year? That just seems to fall in the "negative for the sake of being negative" category. 


Zetterberg got surgery for his back, said he felt like a new man. Datsyuk is a little less certain, but - come on - they missed half the year. They will be healthier than that.

#2527315 UFA day looking up

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2014 - 05:13 PM

if Kenny doesn't pick up a fwd then i think we can pencil in Mantha and id love to see the kid get a fair crack at it.

Without signing anyone he'd have to beat out Jurco. Also, Alfie will probably sign and we'll have this. I think it's pretty certain Mantha will start in GR.






#2526891 BUF to buy out Christian Ehrhoff

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 June 2014 - 12:16 PM

I don't get why so many seem to think this would be a better signing than Niskanen. Erhoff turns 32 in about a week. he isn't physical at all, average defensively, and hasn't been great offensively either. yes some of that is because of playing with Buff, but overall just average. he is at the age where he is just leaving what should have been the prime years of his career.


Erhoff 32, 6-2/195 LHed, on a good team good for 35-40 points per season, going to make 5+ million and I am sure he is going to be looking for at least 4 years, maybe 5.


Niskanen 27 6-0/210 RHed, on a good team good for 40+ points, strong in his own end, and going to be looking for 6 million on a max term-7 years.


Now if we don't get Niskanen then going after erhoff makes some sense. he is an upgrade over quincy. But at this point he is clearly a second option.

1st of all - you clearly ignore Erhoff's 2 years in Vancouver where he scored 44 and 50 points. He got 38 this year on a very bad Sabres team. 


2nd - are we really considering 32 too old? Niskanen also turns older this year (who would have thought?) so they're only 4 years apart. We don't even know how long we would sign them for. Erhoff clearly has the more proven track record.


Niskanen's Right handedness is attractive. If we signed Erhoff we'd be counting on Marchenko or Sproul to be our RH Dman.


This is getting exciting! Wonder if any other unexpected buyouts happen.

#2526746 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 June 2014 - 11:31 PM

Actually Holland has not been sitting on his hands the past two years. Everyone wants any two of nyquist, Tatar and mantha and that's it. And jarnkrok did in fact tell Holland he won't play another season in the ahl, he wanted guaranteed nhl time, which is why he was traded.
Pulkinnen will also be traded or let to walk, he won't be making the team.

These are some very juicy tidbits of knowledge that you're throwing around. But you said you can't name your source? Did Pulkinnen say he wouldn't play in the AHL for another year as well? I feel he could have a chance to make the team in 2015. Do you mean let walk in this year because he is an RFA?

#2526722 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 June 2014 - 08:37 PM

N14, we should be after both. We have the room and if we landed both we would have 3 good to great pairs. Think of this blueline:






that is very good. 10 million per seasons gets you both easily. maybe 9 does it. Then you send Kindl down the river somewhere.

No, we don't have room for 2 D. We've got Oulette, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman, Jensen knocking on the door. We've got to let one take a spot this year. They are also a lot cheaper.

#2526668 NHL Draft 2014: Rounds 2-7 **MOD WARNING POST 51**

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 June 2014 - 02:14 PM

I understand your logic here but the fact is we have two superstar players in Z and Dats that are not far from being gone and it is a travesty that we don't at least attempt to put together a team that can compete for the cup for them.

Dats is signed for 3 more years. He could be here longer than that. Z is here 7 more years. I feel it's safe to say that they will still be elite in 2-3 years and that's when our prospect development will really come into fruition (if not this year):


Mantha will be on the team. Tatar, Nyquist, Sheahan will be in "prime years. We'll have Mrazek at least pushing Jimmy. Smith will have worked out his game (I believe he's already close to that). With at least 2 of Oulette, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman I really feel that will make a great back end. Jurco, possibly Pulkkinen, Andreas Athanasiauoaioisoioa also in the mix.


I feel like we're really on the ascent now and these guys will be pushing us up to being contenders. I feel these prospects really do fill the holes in the team that we saw this year (weak D, top 6 wingers). The thing for me that stands in the way of being contenders by that time is that 2C spot. Weiss is still a question mark and I feel that a lot rests on him being a solid piece of this team. Hopefully we see him back to the player that others say he is.