There's a lot of people upset that "we lost him for nothing..." attached to damning of Holland in GMing abilities. There was also a few comments saying that it seemed that the Wings have lost more players for nothing than others. That got me thinking and I was bored so I did some research on Wikipedia. Here's all the players that have been claimed off waiver from each team since the beginning of the 2010-11 season. It shows that we are right in the middle of the pack and it happens to all teams (except the Bruins, apparently).
Penguins: (7) B.Strait, T.Kostopoulos, Z.Boychuk, S. MacIntyre, D. Jeffrey, M. D'Agostini, Nick Johnson
Kings: (6) T. Hickey R. Clune, Marc-Andre Cliché, Keaton Ellerby, Adam Cracknell, Marco Sturm
Blues:(5) Anthony Peluso, Nate Prosser, Taylor Chorney, Marek Svatos, Kyle Wellwood
Panthers: James Wright, Mike Santorelli, Ryan Carter, Michael Grabner
Flyers: Niko Hovinen, Tom Sestito, Blair Betts, Andreas Nodl
Lightning: Adam Hall, Richard Panik, Antti Miettinen, Curtis McElhinney
Oilers: Corey Potter, Taylor Chorney, Gilbert Brule, Ethan Moreau
Islanders: Jack Skille, Blake Comeau, Tim Wallace, Rob Schremp
Ducks: Brian McGrattan, Ben Maxwell, Brendan Mikkelson, Troy Bodie
Blackhawks: Ryan Stanton, Michael Kostka, Nick Boynton
Predators: Zach Boychuk, Taylor Pyatt, Marek Svatos
Red Wings: Joey MacDonald, Andrej Nestrasil, Mattias Ritola
Sabres: Joe Finley, Corey Tropp, Craig Rivet
Hurricanes: Zach Boychuk, Patrick O'Sullivan, Brett Carson
Canadiens: Aaron Palushaj, Jeff Woywitka, Blair Betts
wings had their chance with boychuk....bruins were up against the wall capwise and he HAD to go somewhere.
they should have loaded the deck and tried.
no where did i read of even an ATTEMPT of getting him.
what did long island give up?
smooth defence creates offense. heavy, right hander with a boom shot...solid defensively...heart soul guy....i can see why they passed him up.
if a general managers job is to put the best team possible on the ice...whats our doing?
ericsson/ ferraro/andersson trade out of town
pulkkinen/ anthasiou called up
I really think there was 0 chance that the Bruins would have traded Boychuk to a division rival.
I think Ericsson is having a rough start due to his finger injury and his inability to train all out in the off season. The amount of hate he's gotten this year is shortsighted in my opinion. Hopefully he'll get back to the way he way the past couple of years.
Yeah, I guess I was unclear what I meant. My post does say I think it'll be LIds, Feds, Pronger - and that'll be deserving. I've just always hated Pronger - I kind of just meant anyone else instead of that guy. There's no way the Kariya should actually be there ahead of Pronger. That fact that you guys got up in arms shows that there's no real question about this class, though.
I did really like Kariya's character as a player, though - great speed, vision. But his career was messed up by concussions and he played on some pretty bad teams.
I live in Texas. I know all about football freaks, Heaven help me, they're lunatics for football here... and pretend to know nothing of hockey. This, despite the FACT that the current Calder Cup winning team sells out every single game here in Austin. It's all about the money, and which franchise gets the tv dollars flowing, etc.
If I lived in or near Detroit, I would certainly have season tix to the Wings. But I guess having such a great franchise right under their noses makes some locals complacent. Very lucky to live near enough to attend...
But when they do actually appreciate hockey in your city and there's a great franchise, sadly, you can't afford any of the tickets.
I'm not sure if those of you that commented on the game actually watched the game or not but Mantha played great. It was his first game of pro hockey, no one was expecting him to have a 3 or 4 point night like he did regularly in junior. Every time he touched the puck he made things happen, he was dominant, despite not making it on the score sheet and registering only one shot on goal. The thing that impresses me the most is his size, and the fact that he uses that size to his advantage. He was a huge player in junior, but he was a boy amongst men down there, and he seemed reluctant to make those big hits. He sure wasn't last night, he laid a few great hits. There were a couple times when he had the puck, skating along the boards and he man-handled the opposition. There were two instances that I remember, in which he was double teamed by the Stars defenders in the offensive zone and he easily came away with the puck, he was winning every puck battle.
Although he only registered the one shot, he did ring one off the post in the third, and it was sitting there in the crease but Pulkkinen couldn't get a stick on it to bury the rebound. He was on the ice for a goal for and a goal against but finished with a -1 because both goals came on the Griffins power-play. The Stars, Travis Morin scored a short-handed goal in the first, which actually came off a bad giveaway by Mantha, it was on his very first shift of the game, imagine the nerves he was feeling, but after that one giveaway he played unbelievable. He had the *third assist* on the Griffins first goal that came on the power-play to start the second period. All in all I was very impressed with his pro debut, and he is going to be a great player.
I agree. I only saw the 3rd period/OT, but he did not look like someone who was just coming off an injury or playing in his first pro game - to me he looked like he was driving the play, hard forechecking, and very dangerous offensively. And he will only get better. Very encouraging first game.
I do understand your point about making too many trades, but sitting still and hoping one day the team is 100% healthy (which will never happen this year) or hoping that certain players return to their former (WAY former) glory, is NOT making this team any better. We having gaping holes up front and on D. Hoping doesn't win Cups, doing does. Maybe nobody wants to dance with us, we all know nobody wants our scraps, but maybe up the offering. Include established NHL'rs and some high draft picks. I am all for winning with the players I know and love (well, love most of them.) But if a trade is made for the greater good (and I don't mean a 1st rounder for KFQ) and I have to say goodbye to an established player to better my team? It has to be done...
Ya, and all Holland does re-sign washed up players and refuse to cut losses where losses need to be cut even when better players become available, he still keeps the worse ones in hopes that they haven't already peaked....but they have. But that is fine, he is the greatest GM of all time and he will bring us a Cup.
Well actually we are pretty much 100% healthy - Weiss and Datsyuk say they're ready this weekend. The monster is out, but it doesn't really matter since we've got Mrazek to cover for him.
they do practice SO's...problem is, they practice them on Jimmy Howard who is never a challenge to beat in a SO. The shooters are given a false sense that they can actually score in a SO.
also, f*** Franzen for ***** footing the potential game winner at the goalie. I will never be over the fact that Hossa has reached 1000 points and we are stuck with this "serious contract." Serious hot garbage.
Franzen: 9gp 4g 6a 10pts 0+/-
Hossa: 14gp 2g 4a 6pts -2
I'm not trying to say Franzen's better - You just need to pick as better time to complain about him. He scored tonight probably stopped the winning goal for Tampa in OT when he pummelled the player digging at Jimmy. He's been playing really well this year.
Yup. And that didn't work out. So maybe we should think about what to do next. Either that or sit around making excuses about why it can't be any other way than what it is.
And guess what, Darren Helm probably isn't the answer.
Edit: Now watch, Helm will go off for a goal or two tonight and make me look like a complete ******* lol.
But, Helm is playing 3rd line center tonight, lol. I think Helm will pick it up soon - people forget that he was injured and missed most of training camp and preseason. He's been playing well recently.
After having this conversation with you a few times, kip, I think I understand you more and I think most people's opinions are not really that different. The big problem is that we don't have 6 sure-thing top 6 player. (We've got Z,D,Mule,Nyquist) that leaves 2 holes (1 if you allow Abby in his role). We also have too many centers. With this situation, Babcock has to get creative. The one thing I don't understand is why you usually curse Babcock when he's just dealing with what he's got. I think supporters of Helm on the second line wing are thinking about managing the players we have. You were vehemently apposed to Abby on the first line and he seems to claiming his spot. Helm has always put up more points than Abby so it is not inconceivable that he could work in that role.
Conversely, I think most would agree that making a trade to fix our two offensive problems could be good. This is where I think the real conversation is, I think. And I think there's a few specific issues:
1. Which of the extra centers do we trade? Sheahan or Helm (I don't think Glen is getting us much) Trading Weiss is looking to be the most ideal situation, but that would likely just be a salary dump.
2. Do we trade for a #2 Center or a scoring winger? If you're still holding out hope for Weiss then Winger would probably be the choice. But if Weiss is still here, I don't really see any way we can sign another center. We also have Mantha who we hope will take one of those spots next year. Any trade will have to give up good assets - Is it worth it if we have a top winger coming next year?
3. Shouldn't we be trading for a RH offensive defenceman? Mantha is on the horizon - If he pans out and Weiss regains his form, our top 6 problem is solved without making any moves up front. If that looks likely than I'd rather have Abby and Helm hold down the fort until that happens. Maybe Alfie still plugs one of those holes for a bit this year, as well.
And...I think all of that leads to Weiss being the real problem - we need to know where he's at before we know which direction to go. Until then Babs will be creative and we'll either see Helm on the wing with Z or Dats - or this 2A 2B line thing that we've got tonight.
we needed Legwand. Babcock relegated him to the 4th line so he could control his point production, so when they lowballed him come July 1st, they could use only his red wing points as the excuse. David was smarter than that, even though his first choice was to end his career as a Red Wing. Nothing personal, just business.
Now some of you might think this is crazy, tinfoil hat talk, but it has made so much clear to me. This must be why we're keeping Smith off the powerplay this year so that he won't inflate his value this year with all that scoring stuff. It also explains why we haven't played Cleary yet - If he scores his 30 goals, he'll be impossible to resign next year. Now we just have to get that Nyquist guy to stop scoring and Babcock's business plan will be going along perfectly. Hopefully these three aren't as smart as Legwand, though, or else they'll figure out what we're up to and run away to Ottawa for the big contracts.