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#2674317 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2016 - 07:11 PM

I get WHY public funding is often necessary, I'm not even against public funding. I just think that if you're going to accept public funding for your teams new arena you should probably make an effort to represent and validate their contribution rather than be wholly greedy and promote your brand to their exclusion.

Okay, yeah, that is a good case for some kind of public naming. Either public voting on a name or a public figure. I think I misunderstood what you meant before.


For those those suggesting The Oven as a nickname, I disagree. I mean the Shark Tank makes sense: Sharks inside the shark tank and other teams should be wary coming in. If we have Wings inside the oven, it means our goose is cooked.

#2674296 Mantha

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2016 - 06:25 PM

Positive words from Holland on Mantha and Bertuzzi:


"Both bring important dimensions," Holland said. "Both are young players that we need to be important in Detroit one day."



plus video of Mantha send 2 goals through the mesh of the net.

#2674288 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2016 - 06:09 PM

My only issues is the public funding aspect. The MASSIVE public funding. If the illitches had paid for it themselves they could name it whatever they want and I wouldn't have much to say.

I agree with this perspective to a point and John Oliver did a solid episode on publicly funded arenas. I've heard arguments on the other side that also sway. I've seen that the arena is estimated to cost $627M and could go higher. Even though Ilitch is personally worth 5 billion+, I doubt his company has that amount of free cash to spend at one time so I understand if a certain amount coming from government funding.


One thing to consider on the naming issue, is that the Ilitches have essentially turned away a huge amount of money by not selling the naming rights to another company. Maybe it's their interest to have the advertising (although I don't think it's that much extra exposure - we all knew the new arena would be lined with Little Ceasars venders, signage, and they would give free pizzas at the games just like they do at the Joe). But think of the alternative of them taking a huge amount of public money and then using the arena to bring in an extra money to cover part of their end (Blues got 70 million for 20 years naming rights for the Savvis center for a random example)  Probably everyone would prefer Howe arena or honoring some local hero, but I think Little Ceasars is the best option for corporate naming.

#2674084 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 April 2016 - 08:17 PM

He's a checking line player. Checking line players shouldn't get that much money, regardless of what they want or howuch of a raise it would be. It's still a hell of a lot more than he'd be making back in Canada working a 9 to 5 gig or working a farm.

Unfortunately for Holland, those won't be the relative comparables that Helm's agent will bring to negotiations.

#2673973 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 April 2016 - 03:52 AM

Larkin, AA, Sheahan, Glendening. Those are the 4 centers. If Helm comes cheap and short term, fine. If he wants a long deal or more than $2.5, he can get overpaid somewhere else. But given Abdelkader getting the panic please don't leave contract, ibsee 7 years at North if $3.5 per, front loaded so there's a recapture penalty and with a modified ntc.

Helm currently makes. 2.125 on a deal he signed 4 years ago as a RFA. You really think he's only going to get a 375 000 dollar raise, with 4 years of rising nhl salaries, and given that he's poised to be an UFA? It's a UFA contract and he's not Drew Miller, he'll definitely get at least 3 mill.

#2673896 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 26 April 2016 - 05:07 PM

More info on the Helm situation:


"It started sounding like Kenny wanted to get things done here pretty quick," Helm said. "I got that injury and nothing really formed after that. I didn't have the best year statistically and mentally not as far as playing, but just how the way things were going on at the rink and on the ice. I was hoping to have at least some conversations about an extension ... we'll see what happens."




I think Hem sounds a bit like a jilted lover. He has definitely spoken fondly of the organization. In 2 recent signings (Tootoo, Green) both said they were friends with Helm and his glowing praise for the organization were part of their decision to come here. I think he expected to be more of a priority. 


Again, hope we keep. He, Abby, and Glendening provide a good ingredient of drive on a team that seemed at times lackadaisical. 

#2673458 Free Press: Pavel Datsyuk to return to Russia following Playoffs

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:55 PM


Just to clarify Alimony in Russia. So this could be a legit reason for leaving.

First of all, your quoted passage isn't straight forward. It says "Despite the fact that the Family Code includes a general rule that stipulates spouses should support each other from a financial point of view an ex-spouse is only entitled to alimony when:"  So...He wouldn't have to pay Alimony, but he has to support her financially...which sounds like the same thing under a different name to me.


Second, If you re-read the Mitch Albom article, it specifically mentions that he still has a good relationship with his ex-wife:


"...his desire to rejoin his daughter Elizabeth, who is being raised in Russia by Datsyuk’s first wife, Svetlana. While the former couple enjoy a friendly relationship, Datsyuk said, he felt too absent from the day-to-day affairs of his child, and worried, as she entered adolescence (she is now 13) that he wouldn’t be there for guidance."


Even if he would have to pay less, you're friend's theory seems a pretty extreme way to screw over the ex-wife. It would probably also alienate his daughter. It seems pretty unlikely, especially from a guy who seems like (and was voted by other NHL players in a few polls I've seen over the years) one of the most likeable guys in the league.


Also, if alimony were a motivation, why would that be a pressing issue that he would have to leave now and not just wait until next year. He's a multimillionaire and will make even more when he plays in the KHL. Why would the 25% (or whatever it would be) of next year's 5.5 million be so precious to him?


I prefer to respect him and take him at his word. 

#2673455 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:20 PM

I swear this is ground hog day every year....

Except this year no one here will be complaining about Franzen's contract or us bringing back Cleary.


(I'm going to pre-empt someone's joke of "don't speak too soon.")

#2673454 Who gets the "A" when datsyuk leaves?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 24 April 2016 - 11:13 PM

I'd like Dekeyser. Wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if it were Abby.

#2673138 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 23 April 2016 - 03:07 AM

I said not sure he likes to do it, not that he doesn't do it. But and this is a key thing. Your list is everyone he has brought in for the last 10 years. How many are in any way shape or form are stars? 1 was Hossa. The rest were way past their primes/trying to hang on, journeymen fillers, and unknown risks. This is something that should worry/scare all RW fans. If past performance is a predictor of the future we can cross every big name UFA off of the list this summer.

Saying "he doesn't like to do it" means "doesn't do it" to me. Why would his mindset have any bearing on anything? From your characterization, I can deduce that we might get Yandle, but, hey, Holland will have an internal battle about it. If you're interested in predicting whether we'll sign a UFA, then we're looking at whether we've done it in the past.


My list was not everyone from the past 10 years. Only Hossa is from that long ago. The rest were all brought in the last 5 years (Conklin was brought in twice - once a few years ago). I'm sure there are some that I didn't list as well - someone mentioned Cole, Zidlicky and Coliacovo, Huskins, were also other players from outside the organization.


Alfie, Weiss, Green, Dekeyser were all top UFAs in their years. Alfie and Weiss were past their primes, but Green and DK don't fit your categorization the UFAs we've brought in (yes, Green may be past his prime in the sense that he's not the award winner that he was, but he was 29 when we signed him and he's still a very good hockey player).

#2673045 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 22 April 2016 - 05:12 PM

Maybe there's some Swedish House Mafia running in the locker room, but that's as close as that blog article could to be to the truth.

#2672825 Pavel Datsyuk Career Appreciation Thread (Mod Warning Post #40)

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 April 2016 - 10:30 PM

Thanks for 14 years of magic!


953 games

918 points

2 cups.

1 Bronze Medal

4 Lady Byngs

3 Selkes


He'll be in the Hall


Haven't seen anyone ask the question: 13 in the rafters? For franchise records:


8th in Games

7th in Goals

5th in Assists

6th in Points

3rd in +/-

#2672437 ECQF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings at Tampa Bay Lightning, 7:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 21 April 2016 - 08:07 PM


#2672004 Fixing this mess....

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 April 2016 - 10:33 PM

Chicago has remained competitive despite their moves, not because of them. Bowman deserves to be applauded for maintaining a solid secondary cast, but Holland and the Wings have been doing the same thing for twice as long. It is far harder to replace your very best players. I'd venture to say it's impossible without a great deal of luck. We'll see how Bowman handles that when the time comes.

We've been building from the draft. It takes patience. I do believe we've been replacing our best players. I think Mrazek, Larkin, and Dekeyser are "core" worthy players. Maybe Mantha, Sverchnikov or AA step up to that level. Tatar and Nyquist are on the edge of that as well. I know people are down because we slumped in the second half, but we made the playoffs and we are deep into the rebuild currently. I think things look great for the future.


I mean who'll be left from the old guard? Z, Kronwall, and maybe Howard (though he's only 32) They'll be good for leadership even if they're not elite in the coming years (though, Howie could/should be traded). I don't understand why people want to tear it down completely.


This was a smart savy move by Bowman. Sharp was 33 at the time and making 5.9 million per year. He just finished a season were his goal scoring dropped by 50% without missing any games and playing on the B hawks top line. Bowman also had to resign his younger stars. So he moved Sharp believing he was in decline. Well he was right. Sharpe went from 30+ goals with the hawks, to 17 goals to 16 goals this past season with the Stars. he is now 34. Now compare with say Z. Z is 2 years older and signed for 5 more years at a higher cap. His production has dropped at an equal rate as Sharp. Is there any chance at all the Holland will ever move Z? Even if it is the best thing for the team? That if the difference between a great GM trying to win and a average GM that is trying not to loose.

They moved Sharp because they were in a cap crunch not because he was declining. I'm sure they would have kept him if they could fit him in. 


And what's up with the false stats?

Sharp had 20 goals and 55 pts with the Stars this year. That's UP from his 16 goals and 43 pts with the Hawks the year before. Did you lie just to force your argument?


Also, in the 2014-15 season when his goals dipped to 16, he didn't play the full season as you say, and only played 68 due to injury. Here's a link:



#2671389 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 April 2016 - 07:52 PM

Would like that, but he's having a pretty bad game

I take it back, Dominance, you were right!!!!