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#2678334 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 20 June 2016 - 12:05 PM

The first statement in bold is incorrect - in his official retirement press conference, he was asked if he knew about the age 35+ rule when he signed the 3 year extension and the financial implications it would have on this team: His answer "Yeah I know, they explain me everything - Yes I know". (https://www.nhl.com/...7578/c-44232103) - fast forward to the 7:13 mark.


The second statement in bold is exactly why he shouldn't have his number retired, nor will the organization celebrate him much moving forward.


He was absolutely one of the best two-way players we have had on this team, and he left on the worst terms I can remember. To say that we offered him a hometown discount is generally true, but also a very ironic statement. We seem to forget that in 2001 - he came to a championship caliber team, to learn from the best coach in NHL history at a time when the KHL was incomparable in terms of player salary. In the 14 years he played here, he amassed over $80,000,000 USD - which actually would have made Russia the "hometown discount" had he stayed there his entire career.


The reason I can't side with him here, has more to do with the collateral effects this decision renders - more than him deciding to leave early. He signed a 3 year contract extension exactly 2 years ago, and apparently needed convincing to honour even the 2nd year before doing the exact same thing in Russia. That disregard toward the ownership/franchise that took a chance/invested heavily into him makes it clear that he absolutely doesn't care about the state of this team, or the fact that (1) unloading his contract is going to cost us a valuable asset or (2) if we fail to unload his cap hit, we cant sign an equivalent replacement. 


All in all, from the start of this post-season when he approved the release of an article that confirmed he was heading back home - which was an ill timed distraction - to the news of this weekend, I can't say any of it sits well with me. He failed to do what was so obviously the right thing in this case, and play out the final year. I would understand injury, or perhaps a legitimate family situation - but to simply go home (considering the impact it has on the Red Wings) a year early makes me feel like when he needed us, we gave him every opportunity and more to succeed and make his "family" a lot more money than Russia could have. But the KHL has evolved, and maybe now that he doesn't need us as much as he once did - his decision becomes one out of preference rather than respect.

But I really don't think the cap hit for one year is that bad. Maybe we don't sign any free agents and go with the kids. That could end up being great for the organization long-term with AA, Mantha, maybe Bertuzzi getting more opportunity than usual. We weren't going to win the cup next year anyway. Also, I think him leaving actually gives us more of an opportunity to sign Stamkos than we would have had.


Russia would have been the hometown discount? What does that mean in the context of what I was talking about? I was making the point that he could have made more by signing with other teams in the NHL. Just because he could have made less in Russia doesn't negate that. He stay with us for 14 years which is rare in the NHL and shows loyalty. As for the "KHL has evolved" stuff - If you're trying to insinuate that he's going there for more money, we debunked that in another thread. That league is struggling due to Russia's economic woes and the hard cap for that league is being lowered successively for the next few years. He won't make more there for next year. His salary would have to be over 7.5 mill.


He hired an indepentent lawyer and talked to the player's union to try to find a way to leave without leaving us with the cap hit. Doesn't sound like disregard to me.


He's divorced, his ex-wife took his daughter back to Russia. He's only able to see her the summer months. I consider that a legitimate family situation. We don't really know the specific (rightfully), but I think you can imagine the effect of losing touch with your daughter.

#2678309 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 June 2016 - 11:35 PM

This is sad way for him to go because the discussion everywhere seems to about the contract rather than celebrating the NHL career of one of the best players to put a Wings jersey on.


I don't hold anything against Pav. He's been loyal to us. We had him at a 6.7 caphit 08-14, which is definitely a hometown discount and helped out the team financially. That should be considered in the picture. Also, from Holland's characterization of the situation and him firing his agent, it seems clear that Datsyuk wasn't aware of the rules involved when he signed the 3 year, 35+ deal.


I see many situations where it's not advantageous to trade the Datsyuk contract (trading youth, high picks) but I hope we trade the contract just so people don't blow this little blemish out of proportion; saying he crippled us by leaving the caphit. Especially if we were to miss the playoffs, I could foresee some blame being dumped on him.


I'd like to see his number retired, but I think Fedorov is more deserving and should be done first

#2678255 Red Wings re-sign Riley Sheahan: 2-years, $4.15m

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 19 June 2016 - 12:26 PM

Yeah, I do think it's slightly high, but not by much. Tatar got 2.75 on his RFA deal with 19g 39pts. I guess with inflation, his more rounded game, and the fact that he's more proven having played 2 and a half years - it's makes sense that 13g, 36pts and 14g, 25pts gets you 2.075. 


Honestly, I've never been blown away by Sheahan. The Jurco-Shea-Tat line was great and I think we should take advantage of that chemistry. At the same time, I'd rather have both AA and Helm as our 3C. Unless Sheahan is the 2C (which is a stretch for him), I think he'll likely be switched to the wing and I didn't think that was great in the past. It will be an interesting year of players making their claim for their spots within the roster since very little seems a given.

#2677910 Official Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 16 June 2016 - 10:43 PM

It has to the situation when negotiations completely fail (with a gap that can't be brindged) and the player hasn't stated public that they will test free agency.


In the case of Filpula, I think we were really close in negotiations (there were some saying that Fil came back to accept our offer, but we had already signed Weiss) and wanted to leave the door open for him to sign. I don't recall their being a great demand for Hudler. 


If Helm says that the money isn't close to what he wants, then we could look into it. I don't think there's that much benefit to having an extra 7th round pick, though. We seem to be good at finding college players and undrafted others, and unsigned prospects if we want more prospects. These guys (Nosek, Hicketts, Glendening, Russo) have as much of a chance to make it as someone in the 7th round.


I think it really only matters for higher value guys that would bring a higher round pick. Filpula could have maybe brought a 5th in, but we haven't let many high value guys go. Maybe Hossa was a situation where we should traded his rights since we were sure we weren't going to sign him. 

#2677817 song title game

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 15 June 2016 - 07:49 PM

Leonard Cohen - Hey, That's No Way to Say Goodbye



P.S. That Memphis Slim song is from a great album called 'Blues in the Mississippi NIght.' It was recorded by the folklorist Alan Lomax and it's Bill Broonzy, Memphis Slim, and Sonny Boy Williamson I sitting around a room telling stories and each playing random songs.

#2677673 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 14 June 2016 - 03:56 PM

With Oulette, Sproul, and Jensen out of options, I think we should consider carrying 8 Dmen and 13 forwards this year. It would allow us to keep 2 of them (O+S probably). Then we can make a D trade as the year goes on.


That's with the guys we have, of course. More ideal would be a trade that brings in a top pairing defender and likely sends some of our blueline out.

#2677618 Petition to change Lil Caesars Arena to Gordie Howe Arena

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 13 June 2016 - 08:07 PM

I'm not sure why these arenas have to be specifically "Little Caesars' Arena". Why can it not be some thing like "The Gordie Howe Arena" by Little Caesars'  or something of that nature. You would think that kind of association would be  great way for these sponsors to gain some more local respect and still get their name out. 


Also someone on 97.1 mentioned the new "District Detroit" be called District 9. I liked that. 

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#2677601 song title game

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 13 June 2016 - 04:47 PM


Life is Like That - Memphis Slim

#2677383 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 10 June 2016 - 02:35 PM

We've had a number of players playing above their ideal spot. And it has lead to many people turning against those players. But I don't understand it - it's not their fault that Blash didn't put Tatar or Nyquist in our top 6 or that we don't have the franchise Dman.


To me Helm is the perfect 3rd line player.

Ericsson would be fine used as a number 4 guy and off the first pair

Abby is not a 'typical' 1st line player, but is there to add grit and a net front presence - a different version of Holmstrom


I think Helm did fine with Datsyuk, but it wasn't ideal. Tatar and a healthy Franzen would have been good. Have Richards on the line made things worse when he was there. Partly roster mismanagement, partly a team in transition. To me, Helm is the 3rd line center who always put in huge effort, is great at faceoffs, great pker and supplies secondary scoring, is responsible defensively (I have no idea where the turnover-machine idea comes from - one site says he had the 2nd least of our regulars).

#2677270 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 09 June 2016 - 08:04 PM

Thanks for the support guys, but in fact I am the Nightmare on Helm Street.

#2677155 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 June 2016 - 02:42 PM

I think it's Miller's time to go. He's been good for us, but his injury adds a question mark and I do think we can replace him with someone as capable and maybe more rounded. If Glen, Sheahan, Abby, Helm is our PK, then we don't have to worry about losing his PK abilities. 


Sadly, if we want Miller, we'll get him since his injury will scare any other team away. 1 year wouldn't be the end of the world, but I'd rather someone take that spot with more speed and a little more speed and scoring (maybe Callahan, Bertuzzi).


I'd like to resign Helm - up to 3 mill is good for him. 


But Helm will get interest elsewhere and might opt for a place where he's not 2nd line for 2 games, 4th for a couple, 1st for half a game, etc. Though I've always seen that as one of his strengths - that he can play in many situations - I've gathered for his off-season comments that this has been his gripe. It would be hard for a player to get going not knowing what you're role is. I think this can account for his slight dip in production this year as well.

#2677084 Datsyuk - someone who works for JLA told me he's sold his house

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 June 2016 - 11:53 PM

I wish Datsyuk would hurry and make up his mind.  The two big pieces that will dictate this offseason are A) Datsyuk's decision, and to a lesser extent B) Who they hire as assistant coach.  Once the organization knows those two things they'll formulate a strategy. I wouldn't expect much until then. 



Datsyuk meeting with Holland next week hopes to have a decision soon after.


Holland says the assistant position down to "a couple of names" and expects a decision this week. I assume those names are Richards and Dave Cameron who we asked permission to talk to.


Also, they made an offer to Helm and haven't heard back yet.

#2676879 Alexander Radulov: Wings on short-list of desired teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 June 2016 - 04:12 PM

That's good that we're only in for a 1 year deal. I've been checking out videos of him and he really wasn't so good on his last return to Nashville - I feel like he has a high likelihood of disappointing. 


The speculation that Avs are a front runner is also based on the fact that Radulov played for the team that Roy coached in the QMHL. If he liked playing for Roy that could play a factor, but those 2 strong personalities could also dislike each other so who knows... 


He does have a slight personal connections to the WIngs since he's been playing for Fedorov's CSKA. Then, of course, he knows Datsyuk. He could have heard good things about the orgnization, but you never know how much that sways a player...

#2676841 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 June 2016 - 01:56 AM

couture says Crosby cheats on faceoffs, which I honestly believe is true, but he's going to have to at least explain himself if he doesn't want to be perceived as a "whiner".

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. in this situation couture is the whiner. You play the game, but you also play the refs. What they allow, you do whether the other team calls it cheating or not.

#2676741 2016 SCF: San Jose Sharks vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 May 2016 - 08:15 PM

I think I'm cheering for Kessel at this point. I like that he's been doing well this playoffs after years of being dumped on by the Toronto media. 


Also, I've always liked Malkin, so go Pens, i guess.