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#2682284 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 July 2016 - 02:39 PM

That's a blatant lie. Unless Ott is going to be sent down there isn't room.

I'm guessing you didn't actually read the article, just the quoted section. 

 

"With Darren Helm re-signed, the Wings have 12 forwards signed to one-way contracts, along with Dylan Larkin, plus restricted free agent Teemu Pulkkinen. That’s 14 forwards for 12 spots, but one or more could be moved in a trade, creating opportunities for the next generation.

“Going to camp, we expect Andreas Athanasiou, Anthony Mantha, Tomas Nosek, Tyler Bertuzzi — some of those kids are going to make the team,” general manager Ken Holland told the Free Press. “We’re holding a spot or two for the kids if they can make it."

 

They acknowledge that that there's no room with all the current forwards, but it seems from these comments that not all those players will be around when the season starts. 

 

St. James frames the Ott signing partly as "insurance for Drew Miller as he attempts a comeback from a rebuilt knee." Maybe he's sent out or down as soon as Miller's back. Or maybe he's just there for competition. Also, the team surely knew about Pulkkinen's surgery so that creates a spot to start the year.

 

Holland has no balls so NOTHING will get done, but I would go after Trouba.  Tatar & Mantha.  Trade Mantha before he has an average year with no broken leg.

 

Trouba can be a legit number one.

Mantha broke his leg 2 years ago so he's already had a year without the efffects of that. He had a better year last year. He's just under were Tatar and Nyquist were as (in terms of production) at that same point of their development:

 

2nd Year in GR:

Mantha: 60 games - 45pts (21g, 24)

Tatar: 70 games - 57pts (24g 33a)

Nyquist: 58games - 60pts (23g 37a)

(T+N were on better Griffins teams, though)

 

I'm sure Mantha value has already dipped a bit for trade discussions. I think I'd still prefer a trade involving Nyquist at this point. I think Mantha's style will do better in the more organized NHL play. I'm on the fence, though. Giving up 2 of our future scoring wingers would be a big hit - would prefer sending out a Dman, but I think it's obvious there's less value in our group there. 




#2682070 Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 03 July 2016 - 12:48 PM

Wrong. Zetterberg would destroy that era with his speed and skill while using their big wooden sticks and s***ty skates. Stop being dumb.

 

My criteria was on-ice ability. Not legacy or accomplishments. On-ice ability is heavily dominated by skill competitions like skating, shot accuracy/velocity and puck handling. All of which Henrik Zetterberg in his prime excels at. Stop being wrong.


Then don't post stupid s*** like how Gordie led a 6 team league in scoring in his era. it's trivial garbage

I have no idea how this statement makes sense. If you lead the league, that's a huge accomplishment. The fact that it was a 6 team league doesn't make it less impressive. That's like saying it's no feat to lead scoring in olympic hockey. Some say the current league just waters down the talent pool (but think I think the growth of the game means the talent pool is larger to counteract the effect).

 

You're not making a list of all-time greatest, you're saying who would succeed in today's NHL while keeping the training regimes/techniques of their time. That's a crap shoot to me and I don't really know why that's worth considering. With the advance of the game, players are getting faster, and in better shape all the time. I think with that considered, I think you could argue that the most recent stars would therefore be the best. Or maybe Mrazek in the greatest wing goalie of all-time because the goaltending position has developed so much even since Osgood's prime.

 

Over different historical circumstances isn't a level playing field. Different rules, different equiptment, etc. I think greatness is dealing within the constraints of your time and excelling. Who did the best against their contemporaries is the greatest in my opinion.




#2681962 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 July 2016 - 01:48 PM

 

I'm not wrong. Hits, Penalty Minutes, Fights have 0 correlation with winning. McCarty having a lucky playoff game that one time is pretty insignificant in the long run when he's a net negative for his entire career.

McCarty 96-97: 49pts in 68 games   Can't do anything else????!!!

 

Also you saying he's a net negative: Do you mean +/-? Because he's a +61 in his career. 




#2681827 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2016 - 10:06 PM

Realistically speaking PVD.. We both know Miller will be playing all 82 games. Management/coaches like him too much. It seems Jurco, Pulk, Mantha are SOL this year, perhaps even AA as well.

 

Unless Neilsen's PK ability makes Miller expendable. Which imo it should but might not. 

 

Hopefully there's a trade. 

Agreed, the silverfox will ride again. I was just saying what I'd prefer.

 

If you slot Miller in for Jurco, though, that is a likely roster to me:

Lark-Z-Abby

Ny-Niel-Vanek

Helm-AA-Tat

Miller-Glen-Shea

(pulk, Jurco, Ott in GR)

 

Those that are saying there must be trade for a Dman in the works, I think should temper their expectations. We basically have Nielson and Vanek in for Datsyuk and Richards. Ott is an extra forward, but if Ott is only called up for injuries then there's no roster crunch. Of course there's Mantha, but I doubt he's on the opening roster.

 

I'd like a trade for D help though. Ny, Shea could be shed could be replaced by Mantha and Ott/Jurco. Of course, E and Howard are contracts we would like to get rid of if there was a way to put them in the deal. We would need to send out a Dman for anyone coming in.




#2681737 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2016 - 05:23 PM

So ken hollad made us basically an older team... f*** holland and his love of veterans

Nielson: 32 younger than Datsyuk: 37 

Vanek: 32 younger than Richards: 36

 

How did we get older? Ott is 33 which isn't even that old and he won't play much. He only played 21 games last year.

Pretty much our lineup will look like this:

Larkin - Z - Abdelkader
Nyquist - Nielsen - Vanek
Helm - She - Tatar
Miller - LG - Ott
Jurco
AA and Mantha = Grand Rapids

DeKe - Kronwall
Errorson - Green
Smith - Marchenko
Ouellet

I don't think anyone realistically thinks AA won't be on the team. I think Ott will be a GR call up.




#2681721 Alexander Radulov: Wings on short-list of desired teams

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2016 - 05:06 PM

 

Then why he made public that he'd only join teams on his shortlist of about 5 teams? If you wanna sign with a specific franchise and want to get more money outta them you want to get everybody involved to raise your value.

Kenny just messed up. That's how it is.

For negotiating purposes, you make it look like you're legitimately considering other teams. Then the team you want to go to pays you more thinking they might not get you. Thought amato explained it well.

 

Or maybe you're just ignore this possibility so you can blame this on Holland.




#2681413 Darren Helm re-signed: 5 years, $3.85m AAV

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2016 - 12:55 PM

I announced it long ago. My worst nightmare came true. Nobody wants Helm but Holland will still overpay. Terrible offseason.

You have created your own reality around your opinion.

 

Here's an article about the Stars interest in Helm, that forecasts a bidding war on him.

 

http://sportsday.dal...ill-price-right

 

Somewhere else in this thread there's a tweet from Dredger or Mackenzie on the 5 or 6 teams that were vying for him.

 

Glad Helm's back. Terrm is good. Caphit is a bit high. Hope this relegates Miller to the extra forward position.




#2681338 Frans Nielson signs 6 year $5.25m AAV contract with Detroit

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 01 July 2016 - 12:26 PM

The more I read about Nielsen, the more i like him.. The term obviously isn't great but that's free agency for ya. Hopefully holland isn't done.

Yeah, same. Seems he's a great 2 way guy. Best ever shootout guy. He's been healthy - missed only 5 games in the past 5 years (notice this for those comparing this to the Weiss situation). A lot to like here. and 5.25 is a good cap hit if he's a legit 2C. Also, I like his story as the first ever Danish NHLer.

 

After losing Pav, and the prospect of Stamkos he certainly would pale in comparison, but I'm going to reserve judgement and see what he brings to the table.




#2680705 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2016 - 06:15 PM

I recall that the Wings were hard after him when he was last a UFA, what 2 years ago and fan base was so disappointed that we didn't get him  ... how the mighty have fallen.  

In the first game last year he tore his ACL and ended his season. The previous 2 years he had 51 pts and 34 pts. 

 

Our leading D producer was Green with 35 pts. I would take a chance on him if he didn't have such a history of injuries and we didn't have so many bodies on Defence. This would be a smart pickup for Edmonton if they haven't already filled out their D spots.

Helm wants to play larger role, top six forward... screw him

That's not really what he said. “I want to win. I don’t really mind playing in the bottom lines as long as there is that respect factor. You’re getting opportunities in different situations. If it looks like that is the case, I’ll get to play in those situations that I feel I can play in, then I’ll be happy. If not, if they tell me right away it’s not going to happen, I might not want to stay.”

 

http://nhl.nbcsports...ay-darren-helm/

 

Not really sure what that respect factor means. Helm might be out just because he's not quite good enough at the scoring winger role and we have other players (AA, Larkin, Sheahan) who have taken his ideal spot of 3C.

 

I will be unhappy to see him go if he does. Would have much preferred him signed and Miller cast aside.

That'd be like Kris Draper wanting a top six role, but who couldn't win faceoffs. 

Helm is 51.4% on the face-offs in his career. Not Draper, but he's at Z's level (51.5).




#2680467 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 June 2016 - 12:32 AM

 

I hope you're right!


 

"Helm with Hands" is going to be a 2C? How the expectations for the Wings have fallen.

If Darren Helm had hands he would definitely be a 2nd line player. AA absolutely could develop into a 2C - he's only been played half a year - he is going to get better. 




#2680399 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 June 2016 - 08:15 PM

 

Nobody cares about it except ownership and management.

I care. I think it's something to be proud of. It's certainly not something that comes easy. It shouldn't be a goal unto itself and I don't think it is. 

 

Tanking would be something were I would embarrassed for the team and disappointed in the organization.




#2680219 Hall for Larsson - Oilers and Devils swap players

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 June 2016 - 03:51 PM

I feel like Hall should have brought more than Larsson. It is a good pickup for them, though since they've been looking for Dmen.

 

I'll bet they were fishing for P.K. and maybe Weber and heard they were out of the running. 




#2679782 Datsyuk Announcement to Officially Leave NHL

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 June 2016 - 03:31 AM

Yeah, it is 3.8 mill per year. 

 

He was going to make 5 mill next year here, plus he lost the 2 mill off last years contract. So, he's down 3.2 mill due this decision. Why people want to think the worst of this guy is beyond me. 

 

So much for wanting to be closer to his daughter. It's about 2000 mi from St Petersburg to Ekaterinburg, where his daughter lives. Might as well fly there from Detroit. I don't begrudge Pavel his desire to play in Russia, but please stop using tearjerking excuses (want to be closer to his family) and just tell the truth: "I can't play in the NHL as well as I used to, so I'm going to an easier league, and will make more money there." 7.6 mil/yr with 13% taxes >> $7.5 mil/yr with 40%+ taxes

I don't know how you know where his daughter lives, but he actually has 2 daughters; one with his current wife and one with the ex-wife according to wikipedia. Maybe the current family lives near St Petersburg. But it doesn't really matter. He'll be travelling with the team all over Russia for the league and I'm sure will be close to Ekaterinburg often. Or he has a 2 hour flight. 

 

Even though I'm sure you meant the "might as well fly from Detroit" comment as exaggeration, it is completely ridiculous. It would be one of those almost day-long flights and hence Datsyuk probably only saw his daughter in the couple months during the offseason and being in Russia he'll be able to see her much more often even if they don't live in the same town. Or maybe it wasn't just to be with the 1 daughter - he has said "to be with family" certain times. It was just the Albom article that made it sound like it was about the teenaged daughter. Anyway, the specifics are really not our business - I don't see and reason not to respect him and trust the explanation he gave.

 

Plus his early departure has given us a great opportunity to improve the team. While I would have loved to watch him for another year, this could be better for the franchise. I see no reason for bitterness or cynicism on this.




#2679749 Drew Miller re-signs... 1 year deal $1.025 million

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 June 2016 - 08:57 PM

One year Miller played with some guys with talent he scored 14 goals with no PP time. How many did Helm get the last couple years playing with Datsyuk on the PP?

Helm didn't get much PP time this past year. He was 14th on the team in time per game (12th if you exclude Mantha and Pulkkinen since they didn't play many games).

 

http://www.foxsports...pe=1&position=0

 

The year before that he was 15th. 




#2679741 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 June 2016 - 08:01 PM

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would going for PK Subban on a trade be a positive factor on trying to land Stamkos?

Maybe they've always been hoping to be reunited.