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#2606754 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 May 2015 - 01:39 PM

 

Which is exactly my point.  One of those guys is a rookie, and the other is a 35 year old goofball who's career was in the toilet prior to coming to Nashville.  Yet both produced significantly better than expected this year.  Why?  Either because Forsberg is some otherworldly rookie who's a superstar in the making (he's not) and Ribiero experienced some sort of personal renaissance (he didn't).  Or because Peter Laviolette's style of hockey maximizes the scoring potential of the guys who play in it.

 

Conversely, the Red Wings had a healthy Dats and Z all season AND got career years out of Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, and Abby and we were a worse scoring team (even strength) than they were a year ago.    


 

Nashville got less production out of Neal than they got out of Hornqvist the year before under Trotz, but the teams overall production rose under Laviolette.  They got signficantly less when you factor in Spaling's production as well. 

 

But I agree, he is a giant ******. 

Ribeiro never really dipped and you can't really claim a resurgence under Laviolette. he had 49pts in 48 games in the lockout shortened 12-13. He had one down season in 13-14 with 47pts in 80gp, but that could be explained by the fact that he was playing for the coyotes, who were a worse team than the Predators or The Caps. That season is also complicated by the fact that he apparently had some issues with alcohal/partying which lead to him being bought out.

 

Forsberg just played his first full year so I would think it more plausible that he was getting used to the league in his 18 games of the 2 preceding years. 




#2606577 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 May 2015 - 01:45 PM

Bertuzzi seems like he came out of nowhere.  I remember when the Wings drafted him most folks on LGW looked at it as a throw-away pick, or a favor to Todd Bertuzzi or something along those lines.  Ever since he was drafted, though, the kid has been exceeding everyone's expectations (except perhaps the Wings' organization, who may have knows the potential this kid had the whole time (?)).

Now he is on my list of most anticipated players to see in a Wings' uniform, along with Athanasiou, Larkin, and Mantha.

Something tells me they might have had an inside source.




#2606572 Franzen on IR

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 May 2015 - 01:36 PM

This is something that the various PA's need to address. Come up with a mandatory max number a player can have before being forced to retire. Sometimes with the money involved players have to be protected from themselves.

Not sure that would be a good idea. Players that didn't want to retire would just lie about having concussions. Also, it would be to hard to come up with a number since concussions have different levels of severity and are hard to measure. I also think they should have control of when they want to stop. They have doctor's advising them on their health.

 

Some kind of concussion relief fund would be good, though. For Franzen's case, he would still get paid, right, if he went on LTIR.




#2606234 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 May 2015 - 09:38 PM

 

Babcock calls guys out all the time.  He's done so with Kindl and Weiss recently.  And justifiably do.  He's done so with White, Commodore, Smith, and even Hudler in the past.  Why is it no problem when Babs calls out a pro, but Jimmy D does so with a prospect? 

 

Because Mantha's in his first year pro. All those guys are older, have been the league for a while. Those players aren't dealing with hype of a first round pick, moving away from home for the first time, their first major injury, turning pro, etc. 

 

Also, Babs does treat younger players differently. There's been a couple of articles on that in the past few years since we've added youth. It's a smart strategy. Younger players generally haven't developed the mental fortitude. Harsh criticism misplace could mess up their development and can ultimately hurt the organization. Obviously, confidence is a huge part of the game. 

 

Again, I see no reason to poo poo the kid.  The league, and/or the world, don't give a s*** how sensitive this kid is treated.  You either get over the hump or you don't.  That's on him.  But I don't think the organization deserves praise and/or criticism for how delicately they treat an adult man. 

 

So an organization can treat a prospect anyway they want and no one can criticize them either way? How Tyrantical.

 

I think the central part that people have a problem with is that he did it public and now Mantha has to deal with it in the media. Just google his name to see how many news organizations picked up this story. Dealing with media is definitely new to him as a young player. 

 

Finally, I don't think Devellano's comments are that big a deal and Mantha respond to them in a good manner. I think it would have been better to keep it behind closed doors, but he was just saying what we and Mantha already knew. I just really thought your response was over the top, Kip. Maybe it was to counteracted everyone who's very against the comments?




#2605980 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 07:40 PM

 

He played over 80% of the regular season games and all of the playoff games so far.

 

I'm not necessarily in support of the comment - at the least, the "very, very, very" could have been excluded.  But, 'disappointing' seems... appropriate.  Who knows what motivates this kid, though?  Maybe it lights a fire under him and he lights Rockford up in the next series.

62 of 82 is between 75 and 76%.

 

He played 3/4ths of the season while trying to come back from a broken leg and adjust to pro level hockey. His stats (62gp,13g,18a,33pts) are actually really similar to Tatar's (58gp,16g,16a, 32pts) first year in GR. I'm not overly worried yet.




#2605937 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 03:45 PM

Boston fired their gm and there's a very good chance they will fire their coach too. Just making the playoffs isn't good enough for them.

The penguins fired their gm and coach last year for underachieving and let's not forget they have won the cup more recently than us as well as making it past the second round more recently than us.

The Kings just won a cup last year so their situation isn't really comparable. They are allowed a free pass. But I bet if they miss the post season again next year there will be another gm and head coach vacancy.

The point is other franchises don't accept making the playoffs as good enough. We shouldn't either. Over half the teams make the playoffs. Just making it means you're little better than average.

We're 6 years removed now from a deep post season run. Think about where you were 6 years ago and how much has changed since then. It's a long time. And it's an eternity in sports.

Holland had made plenty of great moves yes. But he's also made plenty of bad ones also and he deserves a good amount of the blame for our post season failures since after all it's his job to run the team and everyone ultimately answered to him. Does that mean we fire him now? No. But the seat should start to be heating up at this point. You only get so many free passes.

Uh, The Bruins missed the playoffs. "Just making the playoffs" may have been enough for the GM to keep his job - we don't know. He traded away a young star who is now thriving with Seguin, and put the team in a cap situation where they had to trade away boychuck, and couldn't re-sign Iginla. This clear mismanagement put them in the position that they went from a top team to missing the playoffs

 

Pens' GM got fired because they mortgaged the future on deadline acquisitions that failed and have failed supply complimentary players around a core that should be good enough to go far. 




#2605865 DRW Free Agents / Salary Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 02:10 AM

 

This is why I have no issue with Holland not signing UFA's, they have a tendency of being busts. Take 2013 for example, 3 of the biggest UFA's were Lacavalier, Wiess, and Clarkson. Every single one of them got big contracts, and every single one of them were busts.

 

The way to go is homegrown talent. Making a trade or signing a UFA can work, but it has to be the right player that you have no doubt will fit in your system.

2013 was a ridiculous year of regretful UFA signings. As well as the signings you listed:

Ribeiro was bought out by Coyotes

Horton was traded

Clowe's only really played 1 year (career possibly over due to concussion - so that's a bit different)

Brunner and the Devils "mutually terminated their contract" 

Briere traded by Habs

 

There was some really good signings last year (Hawks-Richards, Pens-Erhoff, Flames-Hiller) but those are all short term and 2 were special circumstances. Still many long term contracts that will be regretted I think.




#2605856 should mrazek get #1 tag next season

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 04 May 2015 - 12:46 AM

The poster I was responding to said Howard was our best trade asset. I disagreed and gave a list of other players I believe would be better. Nowhere did I suggest that anyone, let alone Mrazek, actually should be traded.

 

To make it even simpler: I don't think either goalie should be traded right now.

I think there's a generally understood difference between asset and trade asset. When the other poster said that Howard was our best trade asset, do you honestly think that they meant he has the highest worth? Obviously teams would pay a much higher price for Datsyuk than Howard. That discussion is just like asking who's the best player. 

 

When someone says trade asset there is an implicit assumption that the player is a non-essential piece that we could actually considering trading. You talked of Mrazek as trade asset and that is why everyone assumed (and I think rightfully) that you were suggesting Mrazek as a candidate for a trade.

 

I think we're all on the same page, though. Mrazek looks like he'll a have a great future here. As for the Howard trade talk, I do think it's something we should think about. It should be after Mrazek looks capable of holding the #1 spot so it's in the future, but still while Howard's retains value. 2 battling goalie will be good for next year, though.




#2605709 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 03 May 2015 - 01:27 PM

Didn't holland trade for a extra pick to get him too? Or am I thinking of Emmerton?

Yeah, we traded down and got an extra pick. It was a trade with San Jose. We traded down 2 in the 1st round, they picked Mirco Mueller, we got Mantha, then we used the extra pick for Bertuzzi. I think that's some pretty good wheeling and dealing considering the players today.




#2605584 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 May 2015 - 01:54 PM

You're overplaying your hand. Zetterberg was on the Swedish Olympic team as the only non-NHL player before he joined the Wings. Obviously someone thought he was pretty notable lol.

As someone else pointed out Ericsson's brother was on the last Swedish olympic team. Also, since the olympics are only every 4 years all 4 players didn't have the same opportunity. Both Nyquist and Tatar played in the olympics during their first year with the wings. If the olympics had taken place a year earlier it's possible both would have still been chosen. Tatar for sure would have been chosen for Slovakia. Zetterberg played in the Olympics just a year before joining the Wings so then they would be in the same situation. 

 

This comparison is pointless, though, - we know they're in different situations. There's a chance Tatar and Nyquist can become dominant players. They have a ways to go - let's hope they get there. Regardless they are quite good right now and just need to keep moving ahead and prove themselves in the next playoffs.




#2605137 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 April 2015 - 05:00 PM

Glad Jurco is going to keep playing. Hopefully he'll play a large role in the worlds and get some of his offensive game and scoring confidence back.




#2604504 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 29 April 2015 - 09:23 PM

In the handshake line you could Abby was shaking with his left hand and hiding his right hand even though it was closer to the other guy. I'll bet he's got some minor fracture there or something. 

 

It was a great effort tonight.

 

We were without:

Franzen

Cole

Zidlicky

Kronwall

 

Weiss and Howard played themselves out of the lineup 

 

Quincey had a bone fragment in his ankle

Glendening had some big cut in his hand

 
And, yet, If any of Z, Helm, Miller, or Tatar had scored on those grade A chances they each got this game was. I feel we out played them tonight so it stings especially.
 
Now I will clear the floor for the curmudgeons.



#2602741 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 28 April 2015 - 01:31 PM

I think we live in our isolated LGW land forget that the cap world is designed to make good teams worse and bad teams better. We've been able resist this and sustain a playoff bound team. That is a huge accomplishment. I think you have to look at the rise and fall of other teams to appreciate it. I think The Devils are best comparison. They had great success in the 90s and 00s. They were in roughly the same situation with draft picks where they didn't get high draft picks due to this success. Now look at them. The mistakes they've made (Parise, Kovy, etc.) crippled that team. Holland's mistakes (Samuelsson, Hossa, Cleary, Kindl) have been made while still allowing us to have a level of success. Every GM makes mistakes. 

 

As for this current series, we've got one game to win it. We've played pretty well on the whole. I think it's important have a reality check for our situation. We had Howard, our starting goalie, lose his s*** half way through the season. 2 major sources for scoring are gone (Franzen, Cole - though Cole was kind of a Mule replacement). We have a huge contract that was supposed to be a significant part of the team sitting in the stands (Weiss). And yet we're in a position to win this series. That's a testament to organizational depth. I think few teams could take those hits and still be the place we are. For Tampa, that would be the equivalent to taking Filppula, Bishop, and Callahan(for Franzen - maybe Killhorn instead) out of their lineup. 

 

I also think people need to remember that we are currently a rebuilding team. We weren't expected go the distance this year. This team has had flashes of greatness and definitely shows that we are a team going in the right direction. We have a great stoke pile of prospects could very well be the missing pieces. If you want to blame Holland for his mistakes, you also have to praise him for that.

 

Now, finally, I have to say, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS NOW?!! We have a game 7 tomorrow! The Lightning look very beatable to me. I'm predicting a win. Let wait to assess this season until it's over.




#2602536 why marek zidlicky?

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 April 2015 - 10:02 PM

We made the playoffs by 2 or 3 points. he was good for us down the stretch. He even had at game winning goal (his first game I think). Maybe we don't make the playoffs without his 11pts. in 21 gp. He definitely added something in the regular season.

 

He has been pretty bad in this series, though. In the interest of level assessment - he did save a goal in game 1 when Petr was caught behind the net and he took a penalty out front. In retrospect, that is an important play now. Other that he hasn't done a whole lot that I've noticed to be positive. If Babcock put in Kindl or Oulette I wouldn't think it a mistake. Not sure who would take over the 2nd powerplay unit though. 

 

Isn't it refreshing to have the kneejerk, post-loss thread not be about goaltending?




#2601575 ECQF Game 6 GDT : Lightning 5 at Red Wings 2 - Series Tied 3-3

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 27 April 2015 - 03:57 PM

Not trying to start s*** and I am indeed enjoying the playoff experience.

 

Just think it's funny in hindsight that people were actually saying that. 

I seem to remember some expression to do with hindsight...

 

Anyway, we're looking at the future - 7 o'clock to be precise.