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#2635989 Athanasiou recalled by Red Wings

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 08 November 2015 - 06:16 PM

AA is making our fourth line look semi dangerous.

Impossible. AA is only a top 6 guy and cannot absolutely cannot play anywhere else in the lineup. I learned that here at letsgowings.
Rolls eyes...

Was he even on the 4th line? From what I saw Glendening, Helm and Miller were together. 

#2635720 Smith-Kronwall

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 November 2015 - 09:36 PM

Dekeyser is surely not our best defenseman.





Toss Up The Rest

You really must just be trying to get a reaction.


Q is not better than Kronwall or DK

And, "Toss Up The Rest?" that means that you think that Brenden Smith or Kindl might be better than Green. Green was quite good before his injury. 

#2635677 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 07 November 2015 - 04:03 PM

Just rewatched the clip.. Am I the only one that feels bad for Feds there? Like Babs looks RIGHT AT HIM and turns his head and Sergei pauses for a second thinking there might be a greeting and continues to stare. 

I don't know the story or if there's much to really read into.. but just made me a bit.. Sad.

Well, Fedorov's season in Anaheim was the one that ended Babcock's coaching position there since they missed the playoffs.


Babcock must have been soured on Feds from something during that year since he supposedly vetoed 91s return to the wings. 


I think somewhere in those set of events, there's the suggestion of dislike. Fedorov is my all-time favourite so I might have to jump on the Babcock hate side of things here, haha.

#2635494 11/6 GDT : Red Wings at Toronto Maple Leafs, 7:00 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 November 2015 - 08:03 PM

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#2635412 2016 NHL Outdoor Games Jerseys.

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 November 2015 - 04:00 PM

I look forward to beating the Colorado Pacmen.

#2635411 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 06 November 2015 - 03:42 PM

The only thing to complain about, and rightfully so, is the skyrocketing salaries for average players.  It seems you have the Elite ($8M-$10M) then the bottom ($2M or less) and then for some reason you have everyone else making $3M-$7M and most not really deservng it.  I konw the market dictates it, but in no real world does Abby deserve the same amount of money as a Nyquist.  Nyquist is a 50+ points per year scorer, I can never see Abby getting above 30 too many more times, if ever again, heck I even thought $4.75M was a bit much for Nyquist so soon, I was kind of hoping for a bit less for a couple of years, then the bigger money.  If you ask me, $3.5M is the top of the heap for players like Abby, if not a bit less but no more.  But, I digress because we are living in an NHL world that says KFQ and Erection are worth nearly $5M....that's my complaint, we've gone through 2 lockouts to get a reign on these contracts, but you sure cannot tell by looking at most of them.

Nyquist signed his deal as an RFA. Those deals are on a different scale than UFA deals. You can't really compare in my opinion.


Contracts will always go up, but revenue is going up as well so players salaries should go up or else the owners would be keeping a larger percent.

Moves are going to have to be made! If Abby is projecting north of $4M, Danny D is projecting north of $4M, guarantee Mrazek gets at least $4M...that doesn't even include having to try and better our team via trade or UFA, or the players that are out of options next season. This is why you have to get rid of Erection, one of Smith/Kindl and don't even think about re-signing KFQ.  Helm can be traded, Andersson can as well.  These are UFA's that are redundant on this team and will waste cap space if re-signed.  Hell, most of us knew Helm was tradable with the emergence of Glen and Sheahan.  Speaking of Sheahan, he will get in the $2M's on his next deal too.  We need to make this team better, and right now, we need to add by subtracting so we can do so.  If we want to even sniff Byf, we need to clear tons of capspace, especially if we are going to overpay 30 point players.

We're also losing Richard's 4 million cap hit, Quincey's 4.25 caphit, and possibly Franzen's 3.955 caphit if he stays on LTIR and doesn't return. 


That, with the rising cap would surely make enough room for Mrazek, Abby and DK. I doubt Mrazek makes 4+, I'm guessing Helm at 2.75 and we're all fine. 


LW Dekeyser is going to get more than 4 million per. My best guess is somewhere in the 6 million range. He is much better than KFQ and Ericsson and they are close to 5 as you said. DD will be our next big money long term deal, as he should be.

DK is still an RFA at the end of the year. He won't get his big  6+ payday until he's an UFA.

#2635298 Day to Day Practice thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 November 2015 - 05:15 PM



Green might be back Friday. He was alternating with Marchenko which would make a Kindl-Green pairing, that doesn't sound very good to me.


Forwards from practice:

Justin Abdelkader-Henrik Zetterberg-Dylan Larkin

Tomas Tatar-Riley Sheahan-Gustav Nyquist

Joakim Andersson-Darren Helm-Teemu Pulkkinen

Drew Miller-Luke Glendening-Landon Ferraro 


Glad to see Helm at center over Andy - much better on draws. Jurco was switching in with Helm's line - Replace Andersson with Jurco!

#2635294 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 05 November 2015 - 04:33 PM

Its absolutely less asinine because it happens to be supported by the fact that Quenneville has more wins, and more championships than any other active coach. All opinions are not equally valid. You seem to be saying that any two opinions are, in effect, equally legitimate because they are both opinions. Which is absurd. If I said Sidney Crosby was the leagues best player, and you thought it was Steven Stamkos, your opinion would be less legitimate based on the fact that a number of facts seem to suggest otherwise.

Any opinion is only as valid as the support for it. And the profundity of evidence in this case suggests that mike Babcock isn't the leagues best coach.

I was onboard when we were saying it's hard to judge and compare coaches since they're tied to the quality of the teams they coach. If you're trying to prove that Q's the best, I think it's a fool's errand because of those reasons.


If you're looking at resumes, Babcock does have the best around. I'll turn to Wikipedia's intro paragraph for acheivements that Babs has that no other coach has: "As of November 2015, he is the only coach to gain entry to the Triple Gold Club, guiding his Red Wings to the Stanley Cup in 2008, as well as leading Team Canada to gold at the IIHF Ice Hockey World Championships in 2004, the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver and the2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi. Babcock is the only coach to win five distinct national or international titles, guiding Canada to gold at the IIHF World Junior Championships in 1997 and the University of Lethbridge to the CIS University Cup in 1994."


You can't argue wins because Q has coached longer. You argued that they both had stacked teams and Babs only won once while Q won 3 cups. You seemed to allow that we where only stacked for 4 of Babcock's years here - well Q's been with hawks 7 years and they've all been stacked teams so they've were more likely to win more cups. 


I get that you're annoyed with the Babcock love, but he's a great coach. Q does get a lot of love too. He'll get a big raise as well soon. I don't think you can demonstrate that the difference between coaches of this caliber - there's no coaching stats (unlike your crosby/stamkos example) and it is so dependant on the level of teams, injuries in certain years, and so many other factors for how many times they've won. If you enjoy the debate, though, here's an article on Doug Armstrong's choice of Babcock over Quenneville for the World Cup:



#2635034 11/3 GDT : Tampa Bay Lightning at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 03 November 2015 - 10:02 PM

Athanasiou could probably do up his own straps.

#2634839 Luke Glendening: Shutdown Extraordinaire.

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 03 November 2015 - 02:37 PM

Well, if Glendening is against the Turris line, I would expect them to have possession more and take more shots. 


What's the alternatives? I don't want Z or the 2nd line playing a defensive role in these games - we're having enough trouble getting shots and chances as is. I'm fine with spreading out Glen's minutes with the 3rd line, except that it's Andersson right now and I don't think that guy's skating is good enough to go against the top centers. When Datsyuk's back, Sheahan will be back on the 3rd line and he can take some of those assignments.

#2634775 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 02 November 2015 - 09:02 PM

I don't really think you can rate a coach with much accuracy. It will always be debatable whether results are due to the players or the coach. A lot rests on luck of getting in position where you will succeed. And reputation plays a role in much that a coach does. If a coach wins somewhere, even if it was with an incredibly good team, they will be given the opportunity to coach other good teams. Also, going in as winning coach, you will likely be more respected by players which likely improve your effect on players. 


That is one aspect of Babcock's decision that I respect - he put himself in a situation that could possibly ruin or at least tarnish his very high reputation. Some will say it was for the money, but he could have been well payed by far better teams. 

Babcock's biggest issue is he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Once his ego shrinks a bit he'll be back to being a great coach.

I don't see what this comment is based on. He brought in assistants here with new ideas and delegated to them (PP in particular). Has often said that he didn't really coach Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Z, because they do things right and you don't need to guide them. Took line suggestions from those top guys as well.

And him parading around taking pics with his former assistants made me not like him personally, as well. Great job, Mike. You got paid. Glad Toronto fans have to deal with his painful to watch playofc style hockey in October now instead of us.
Way Overrated.

You mean the one photo at the draft? Don't see why getting a photo with his friends would reflect badly on him. 

#2634546 10/31 GDT: Detroit Red Wings at Ottawa Senators

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 31 October 2015 - 08:47 PM

It's not a satisfying win in Ottawa with out Neil flying in late with his cape on and acting a fool.

#2634338 10/30 GDT : Ottawa Senators 3 at Red Wings 1

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 31 October 2015 - 12:37 PM

Really? You'd rather us suck, than make the right changes to get over the hump?

You got any more excuses for the team?

What? Howard was the only guy who did play great. Did you watch?

Who is new on the team and is constantly there? Blashill.

This isn't rocket science.

Both teams play in the back-to-backs, you do realize this right? So tiredness is a dumb excuse. 

I feel like a lot of you who are constantly coming after my opinions, which is fine, have not played hockey before.


That's just my guess though.


Going through the tape? What is this, football?


It's not about tape. We just need to actually play with fire. And Blashill has to be held responsible for not making that happen. Because we're not going to fire all the players.


I agree, with pick one goalie. Pick Mzrazek. But than trade Howard. We should've traded Howard in the offseason. Do that man a favor and let him play. He's not a backup. 


I don't think I sound pathetic. I'm a huge fan of the team. I care a lot. I flew down to TB for game 5 from Detroit last year. I flew to Chicago for game 5 from Florida a few years ago while living there. Not only do I love this team, but I make the effort and spend my hard earned money to go to games and watch live. I think I've earned the right to speak up. Especially on a message board. Which has the word message in it.


I get it, no one thinks like me on here. We'll be fine. Don't panic. The Wings are close. Or we're in transition this year. Or whatever else. Yes, with those two additions, a right handed D man and a veteran center, I expected at least as far as last season. 

You were quite disrespectful in your responses that's why you got called pathetic. You called my comment a "dumb excuse" (although you misunderstood' what I wrote). You questioned whether someone was even watching, and the "Really?" and "any more excuses" is just needlessly contemptuous of other's opinions. Now you question if we've played hockey, because, of course, if our opinions are not yours we must be lacking some qualifications.


Hockey teams do watch tape and make a game plan based on matchups and augmentations to parts of their strategy (maybe harder forecheck against certain teams, maybe take advantage of a goalie who doesn't handle the puck, goalies look at shooter's tendencies...etc). And they do go over tape of the past game and show the players certain mistakes and how they can fix them. I'm pretty sure we have one person whose sole job it is to compile tapes for players - at least we did last year.

#2634269 10/30 GDT : Ottawa Senators 3 at Red Wings 1

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 October 2015 - 09:55 PM

20 games guys. We're not hitting the panic button until then. Just go along the ride until then

Our schedule only gets harder from here btw. We've played most of the s***** teams and lost to them.


Maybe we can win against the better teams idk.

I disagree with this part. The back-to-back games every week have been a bad thing for us. Not only are we tired for the 2nd game, it also takes away the time to watch tape on the upcoming team and the time to correct mistakes in practice from the previous game.


Pavel can't come back quick enough.

#2634074 Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

Posted by PavelValerievichDatsyuk on 30 October 2015 - 04:15 PM


It shouldn't take that long. Wasn't he groomed for this job? Doesn't he know the players?

Transition is over. THIS IS OUR TEAM. 

I disagree completely. 

Since when did Wings fans accept mediocrity? That's the real question. 

I think it's crazy that you're laying blame for the current struggles on Blash's back. We have Datsyuk Franzen, Green, Richards, Quincey out. DD, Helm were out for a long stretch. With just that, did you expect this team to be at the top of the standings? Even without injury problems, there was going to be a transition period getting used to his of style. Also, He's juggled the lines and it does take time to develop chemistry. Sheahan's been a new role at wing for a number of game, Glendening also, we introduced Richard's and Green to the line-up (G's transition was pretty quick), Not too many of the players had played with Larkin or Pulkkinen. I think it'll just take a bit of time to get going and, of course, the return of some of the injured.


We're 10 games in. I was wondering how long it would take for people to turn on Blash - this has been surprisingly quick.


edit: BoS beat me to these sentiments.