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#2549236 11/16 GDT : Montreal Canadiens 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by puckloo39 on 16 November 2014 - 05:09 PM

Football sucks.. Red Wings hockey game is billions of times better.  Original Six match up, to boot... I fail to understand this situation.




#2532286 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 04:21 PM

 

Well for starters, identifying the actual truth about a subject informs the public.  And since the Red Wings, like all other businesses, are dependent on the public for revenue they are generally are very amenable to public opinion. 

 

Those types of questions also help inform management too.  One of the biggest mistakes any decision maker can make is thinking that their way is the best way, or their thought process cannot be criticized.  The press acts as a sounding board for decision makers all the time.  Ken Holland is not different. 

 

Finally, asking relevant questions and ensuring that the answers provided are accurate and reliable is also the whole point of having journalism in the first place.  If you'd rather they didn't ask questions, then why do you bother reading news?  Just have the Red Wings twitter and facebook posts sent to your smart phone and move on if you don't care if the news is accurate or not.  However I suspect, since you do go out of your way to consume news (by your own admission), that you'd likely prefer that the news you get is being collected and distributed in accordance with best possible industry standards and not just phoned in. 

 

But you're acting as if, if the right questions were asked, Holland would be all forth-coming with "the truth". 

 

He has his famous sayings.. "I like our team" etc. for a reason. They don't have to answer to us whether we like that or not.

 

Success has granted them some leniency in that department.   If that continues downward I don't expect them to turn to their fan-base for direction.

 

Again, I read the Wings media reports to get updates on players (reports, stats, facts) and read opinion pieces to better reflect on my own. Not to read Holland Q&As. 




#2532265 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 02:25 PM

Ken Holland could start doing his job better and then there wouldn't be so much criticism aimed at the organization.

 

This article has absolutely nothing to do with "the job Ken Holland is doing".  

 

People are just using it as another soapbox to complain from.




#2531969 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by number9 on 13 July 2014 - 09:00 PM

What a buncha ungrateful fans editing his page like that...




#2531994 Forum Rules Refresher. PLEASE READ

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 14 July 2014 - 09:46 AM

An update:

 

I know people are unhappy about the signing, but enough with the Cleary jokes in every single thread on the forum.  

 

For starters, they're usually not that funny as it gets old very fast.  Second, it makes it difficult to carry on a conversation about the actual topic. 

 

Thank you. 




#2532197 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by 55fan on 15 July 2014 - 08:19 PM

Everyone has a job to do.  If you're in PR, you have a responsibility to the team to make the team look good.  That's what they hire you to do.  The team is the one who's paying the PR guy, not the newspapers.

 

As for reporters/bloggers, they can write whatever they want within the laws of libel and the standards of their paper (in the case of reporters). 

 

If the PR guy for the Wings doesn't work well with some reporters/bloggers who don't report the team in a good light, he's just doing his job.  It doesn't silence the reporters/bloggers.  It just means that they don't have a red carpet that leads straight to their information.

 

There's news and there's opinion.  If a reporter is reporting news (i.e. Wings sign Player X) then what will be reported is the facts.  If the reporter is posting opinion (i.e. Player X is the next big thing) then that is what will be published. 

 

The PR people have a responsibility to provide the news reporters with their facts.  Any opinion reporters can take those facts and comment at will, but it's the PR guy's job to see that the news reporters get accurate data.

 

As a hyper-fan, I'd love to get more inside information, but these guys are people with lives and it's also the PR guy's job to protect that whilst still giving fans access to the players.  If you work for the team, you're not going to work with a reporter/blogger who wants access so he can rip a player apart or throw him under the bus.  That's not taking care of your team, which is part of your job.  There has to be a level of trust there if we expect the players to open up to the media for us.

 

I'm checking the news daily in hopes of seeing "Danny DeKeyser re-signed" and when I do, I will first seek out the facts, and then come here to get all of the opinion I can handle on the subject.  Sure, I will probably read some opinion articles and some blogs if I run into them, but at the end of the day, any one of us here who is reasonably literate could be a blogger if we really wanted to.




#2532170 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 July 2014 - 04:09 PM

 

One thing that's clear is that bloggers still aren't given access -- though that's not the aim of this article. We'll touch on that more in a few minutes. 

 

I think it's ironic that he criticizes how the Wings treat bloggers differently yet in this very piece he shows why they should be.

 

It's full out slander on John Hahn with absolutely zero actual evidence but "anonymous" quotes backing his own opinion of him.

 

A lot of this piece just rubs me the wrong way....




#2532176 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 15 July 2014 - 04:30 PM

I don't doubt the guy seems a bit jaded (calling the Wings the North Korea of hockey is a bit much), but when quoting sources from outside the org, he does name many.

 

He names Bruce McLeod and and Ansar Khan who's quotes actually did not support his position or back his opinion of John Hahn in any way.




#2525853 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by rick zombo on 26 June 2014 - 12:15 PM

Holland sucks and he's lazy and he only likes to play golf and he hates the Red Wings, loves Dan Cleary and never offers fair market value to guys like Weiss, Suter, and Alfredsson.
 
In related news: I've enjoyed coming here since 2003 and it would be nice to get back to a place
 
where
 
every
 
single
 
thread
 
didn't
 
degenerate
 
within 3 seconds
 
into a Holland bash.



#2521550 Emmerton-ov: Cory heading to KHL

Posted by FlashyG on 23 May 2014 - 07:02 PM

Somewhere The Axe is trying to figure out how to say Emdog in Russian.




#2502551 Perspective

Posted by DickieDunn on 28 March 2014 - 07:25 AM

After 73 games:

 

Datsyuk has played 39 games.

Zetterberg has played 45 games.

Both have been out at the same time for a big chunk of time.

Every player projected to be even a semi-regular center has missed at least 12 games, Andersson is the only one who has played more than 45.

Miller, Quincey, and Kronwall are the only players to have played 70 or more games.

Tatar and Lashoff, along with the three above, are the only players to have missed fewer than 10 games.

Nyquist and Tatar are the two leading goal scorers.

They have dressed 30 skaters and have had 11 rookies dress.

 

If you had been told those facts at the beginning of the year, haw many games out of the playoffs would you think they'd be right now?  I would have figured close to the bottom of the division.  Instead, if the season ended today they would be in the playoffs.

 

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty proud of what this team has accomplished, even if it's not what past teams have been able to do.




#2456873 The Dan Cleary Hate Zone

Posted by puckloo39 on 23 November 2013 - 09:56 AM

There is not a player on this roster who wants to drag the team down and who doesn't want the best for the Wings (and to win!!) - that includes Cleary.   I like Cleary, always have - he has such a heart for the game. 

 

But I do wonder if he knows he's not contributing like he used to be able to.  It's really not his fault that he keeps getting put out there on the ice -- but how does he recuse himself from playing and trying to do what is expected of him, even if he can't quite cut it now? 

 

Just taking the devil's advocate position.  Do you suppose he knows he should probably be packing his bags?  :confused:




#2448795 fedorov confirmed for wc alumni game

Posted by amato on 30 October 2013 - 10:18 AM

Feds to play in the alumni showdown! :)

"@DetroitRedWings: CONFIRMED: You can see Sergei Fedorov wear the Winged Wheel one more time at the 2013 Alumni Showdown. http://t.co/33uaTMhwv5"


#2436787 will you tank red wings games due to the cleary signing

Posted by Davy on 16 September 2013 - 03:59 AM

Tank a game because of Cleary??

 

I'm in the UK and I'm stuck watching the games on gamecenter.

 

I'd give my left ballick to be able to be at The Joe, so if you can't go because you're not happy with one signing, double slap yourself and thank your lucky stars that you weren't around in the late 70's.




#2434402 State your unpopular opinion

Posted by evilmrt on 29 August 2013 - 03:43 PM

Rugby is better than Football