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#2332379 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 22 October 2012 - 10:03 AM

I can find plenty of blame on both sides of the coin. Since you can't seem to find any fault with the league except for "not seeing the problem", how about I educate you on a few other problems.

League invites the players to start bargaining in January, but Fehr says he needs more time.
League invites the players to bargain upon conclusion of the season, but Fehr waits until the end of June.
Fehr holds off a full 3 weeks after the NHL's crappy proposal before he issues his first proposal. (Notice he is dragging his feet yet?)
Being willing to play the PR card as much as the league is. Touting 50-50 split in his 3rd proposal was a outright lie, just like the NHL proposal was.

I could go on and on here, but the simple fact of the matter is that both sides have not been honest and have not negotiated in good faith. The NHL speaks one language, while the NHLPA speaks another. Then they go to the press and play the PR card. They get in a room for 30 minutes, decline the others proposals, and then don't meet again for a week or two at a time. Is that the sign of two sides eager to get a deal done?

So before you start saying that the only fault you can see with the union is that they don't see the problem, take a long good look at the crap they have pulled since the beginning of the year on these CBA negotiations. If you still can't see any fault at all with their actions, then I really am sorry. (Please note that this behavior does not excuse the NHL's behavior in these negotiations either. Two wrongs do not make a right.)

As a fan, this kind of behavior from both sides just pisses me off. It should piss off any fan who has had to sit through this for the last few months.


Here is the problem I have reading your posts: You start off by claiming you can find fault on both sides, then you list several reasons why the PA is to blame while speaking rather objectively about it, then you conclude by saying both sides piss you off. That doesn't make sense.

If the League was so ready to negotiate in January, why was Bettman telling the media there was plenty of time and there was no reason to ruin a good season? He knew he was going to lock them out.


#2331662 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 15 October 2012 - 04:56 PM

Makes me sick. Why don't they hire af****** economist who can tell them their business plan won't work.


#2331635 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 15 October 2012 - 01:35 PM

Thanks for your detailed response.

I believe that financially, things change so a new CBA should be negotiated every 5 years or so. Lets get that out of the way first.

I believe the players should have to give up a little for various reasons. The cost to operate a club has went up, rent, fuel charges, team personnel, and so on. I don't know what it takes to run an NHL team in terms of cash, but these costs alone are worth a little bit at least. As clearly pointed out in Forbes, many teams are not making a profit right now, which means the most profitable ones are carrying the entire league. Lastly, I look at other leagues and the split in each league. For example, the NFL and NBA the split is close to 50-50 with the league. I believe an even split is quite equitable.


I agree. Costs went up, but so did profits, so that's something to take into account as well.

I can see your point though in that the players should not have to relinquish any share of the revenues for the mistakes of the NHL or management of the teams. At the same time, there are other factors which can easily make the CBA sway 2-3% back from the players to the owners.


I guess the way I see it is: if my company's business was booming and they agree to pay me $100K in annual salary, but the next few years encompassed the company making bad business decisions like opening up new franchises in bad locations and thus they wanted to lower employee salaries to compensate for these financial losses and try to save them; I wouldn't be so willing. On the flip side, knowing that I was making more money working for this company than I could at any comparable one, and it's the most reputable one on top of that, I might be willing to take a little pay cut to keep my position and pay. Then again, I might get pissed off and quit and while I might not make as much somewhere else, my former employer still lost my talent; however valuable that may be.


#2331620 Quincey to play for Denver Cutthroats CHL Hockey Team

Posted by rrasco on 15 October 2012 - 11:36 AM

Cheap seats are $15 so I might take the boys to some games.


Ha, we have tickets cheaper than that to AHL games. Good seats are $26 and glass runs $40. Haha, hockey in Texas.


#2331618 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 15 October 2012 - 11:01 AM

My stance is what it has always has been. Both sides have not been willing or able to move from what they have wanted. The owners want too much, the players won't give up very much.


I'm curious.

Without taking sides: why do you believe the players should give up anything at all? Why are the owners entitled to anymore than they already get? This was their dream CBA 7 years ago after all. From the beginning of this CBA negotiation, the owners never risked losing anything, only something to gain. There was never the risk of the owners percentage being lowered.


#2331411 Jordin Tootoo & Polar Bears

Posted by rrasco on 12 October 2012 - 12:22 PM

So...you're offended by someone else's heritage, which was publicly displayed on a feed you chose to follow, so in turn you throw every insult you can his way and then go and post the same exact picture which you were offended by on another public forum?


#2331336 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 11 October 2012 - 04:10 PM

I don't know if you skipped over it or what, but I did directly quote the article in my post;

Read the fourth paragragh, and you will see where daly says that quote exactly. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=407119


You're right. I missed that part. I guess my eyes wander when I read the same quotes in every article about the lockout.


#2331198 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 10 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

Another thing to consider is the last lockout. Take a guess on how many things that the owners asked for in their initial proposal actually showed up in the final copy that both sides drafted after a season was lost.

Answer: 0


Salary cap?


#2331005 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 08 October 2012 - 10:50 PM

I have a request: can we keep news quotes from being highlighted in grey? It's killing my eyes.


#2330975 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 08 October 2012 - 03:51 PM

Without a union, there would be no lockout. Without a union, there wouldn't have been the need to negotiate a salary cap... and therefore there wouldn't have been a lockout last time.


Without a league, there would be no lockout. What's your point?

The salary cap was instituted to protect the owners from themselves, because they demonstrated they cannot control their spending. Do you believe the PA proposed the salary cap last time which led to a lockout? The cap is not the reason for this lockout, and the salary cap isn't even the core of the negotiations. They're negotiating the definition of HRR and how that revenue will be split between the owners and players. If in any way shape or form the salary cap relates to overspending, it's the cap floor, and some franchises trying to reach the floor will spend more than a player is worth in the process, thus inflating salaries.

I'm beginning to think you're not familiar with the core issues about the league, PA, or CBA at all. You just seem to be bashing the PA without any apparent base.


#2330699 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 04 October 2012 - 04:40 PM

A relationship expert would tell you that if she cheats on you and you stay with her, you lose all her respect. And this Bettman/NHL ***** has already cheated on you 3 times now. It's time to end the relationship.


BUT she's the hottest chic in school!


#2330694 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 04 October 2012 - 03:09 PM

MOTHERf****** f***Sf****** f***ED HOCKEY. f***!

That was absolutely necessary for those around me. They are now safe. For one more day.


#2329856 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by rrasco on 24 September 2012 - 09:28 AM

You know what was weird. I turned on the TV yesterday and there was this game on where a bunch of guys ran around in the grass playing catch and hugging up on each other. I thought they called it foosball? I don't know, it was rather weird, but without a hockey game to turn to, I just kept watching.

ARE YOU LISTENING NHL?


#2329752 Paper Wings

Posted by rrasco on 22 September 2012 - 06:54 PM

We are so bored.


I agree. I've resorted to making paper Yzermans...somebody shoot me now.


#2329324 Wings to Europe: Tracking which DRW players are playing where

Posted by rrasco on 18 September 2012 - 04:20 PM

He was assigned to GR. Pretty sure that means he is playing there.