He was on the 3rd line, for like 4-5 games, and was equally as terrible there as he had been.
On top of that, the 3rd line at the time with Abdelkader, Miller, and Helm was one of, if not our best line. They were really grinding the opposition defense, providing a lot of garbage and chaos in front of the crease, and even putting the puck in the net at a decent clip (considering its essentially a Grind Line). Ironically, we demoted Franzen to the 3rd line and instead of lighting a fire under him and while providing the checking line with a useful big body, he continued to suck tremendous ass and effectively cooled down that line until Helm's injury.
Pretty sad when the most accountability he's seen is being demoted 4 games or so, and still playing so badly that Babcock just gave up on the experiment and put him back on the first line. Its been two seasons straight now in which Babcock disrupts the chemistry throughout his lineup just trying to get Johan Franzen to play like he's capable of. Line 2 has chemistry? Put him there! Line 3 has chemistry? Put him there! Line 1 is starting to come around and score consistently? Great, its fixed; put him there! *sigh*
I agree with the whole sentiment that Detroit doesnt need a goon and could use another guy who can play a bit and be tough but are you forgetting the team Cherry is in love with? The bruins, to say he wouldnt allow American teams isnt true at all.
I dont think the wings are softer then a few teams out there, but they are definitely soft and could use another Abdelkader in the lineup.
PS isnt it nice to see Abdelkader manning up now and actually scrapping? 5 fights now, probably end up with 6 or 7 before the year is done and hes getting a lot better at it too
I like the Abs has stepped up in the role he's apparently been assigned, but i also think that he has disappeared in every other aspect of the game. In years prior, he always played physical but didn't fight a whole lot. He had on offensive side and played well with the puck, but i feel that he's gone backwards in most categories and seems to try and be making up for it by filling the gritty role that we have such a huge void for. Does anyone else see that? Or am i just blinded by how well everyone else is playing that I'm just complaining to complain here?
Cleary needs to stay off that third line. Sorry, but I wish we could trade him. He isn't horrible, but at this point we have better top 6 players than him and better bottom six players than him. Using him to get Selanne or a Moen type player would be perfect.
helm is a far better hitter and all around player and miller has been clutch all year, abdelkader really is like a poor mans ott or clutterbuck, if he wants people to pay attention to him he has to go all out.
How is Helm a far better hitter? I cannot recall many big hits he has thrown since becoming an NHL regular. He was a big hitter as a call-up years ago, but he is not anymore. Despite his injury, Helm has more minutes on ice than Abby and still is 30+ hits behind. Abby has had many big hits this year, Helm has not.
Further, other than speed, how exactly is Helm a better all around player? See that stats Newfy posted. Helm is very noticeable because of his speed, but how does that make him an 'all around better player' if that speed doesn't translate to the other areas of his play?
Abby has spent much of the year on the fourth line with Emmerton and Homer, while Helm has played much of the year with Cleary. Cleary has regularly produced 40 points, while Homer and Emmerton aren't nearly as relevant offensively 5v5.
IMO this post is evident of the general feeling about Abby. He has more hits/min than anyone on the team, he has as many or more points/min as Helm, he has a better FO percentage than Helm, he fights, and he has a better plus-minus than Helm. I'm not saying he's better, but how exactly is Helm at another level, outside of speed, if he isn't on another level with regards to any stat outside of minutes/game?
I know my hate for Dan Cleary seems to get under a lot of Cleary lover's skin here. To me he is worthless I've been saying it for a while. So at 49 games on the books, lets see what he has done. 10 goals 11 assists
On a world class team. He's a horrible skater, injured often, and is completely worthless especially for how much he is making this year (2.8 million) Keep in mind Zetterberg's cap hit is 6 million.
So I pose this question again, without Crimson trolling me. How many of you would like to see Cleary gone at the trade deadline this year? At this point I'd trade him for a washing machine just to get him off and Mursak on.
Oh, I'm sorry. Can we not discuss the game in the game day thread? Just calling them as I see them my friend. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.
You can talk about the game day thread, but when you get on a pedastal about refereeing in a game where your team was behind the entire third period on our own board, you are going to come off as petty.
This is a Red Wings board and it is going to be biased no matter what you say. And if you have been paying attention most bitching has been during losses has been in regards to the team's play, and not marginal calls that don't directly affect the outcome of the game.
And it's a significant thing to bring up, since both instances I am referring to led to Red Wing power play goals. It directly effected the outcome of the game. So, yes, I'm annoyed by it...you guys would be if it were the other way around. I've seen plenty of bitching in here about the reffing over the years. If neither call or non-call led to anything on the scoreboard, it wouldn't be as much of an issue...but, unfortunately, that wasn't the case.
You can be annoyed. Just don't expect anyone here to sympathize. You've been involved in little trash talk with us so we are going to enjoy extending our lead against you and call you out when you resort to petty discussions about penalties.
Let's not forget that the Blues had opportunities to score on their own powerplays and didn't. They scored one goal off a bad line change and didn't find the back of the net for the rest of the game.