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#2248205 What's wrong with Abdelkader?

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 January 2012 - 10:43 PM

Last year in the playoffs, he had 0 points in 11 playoff games, and took countless boneheaded penalties. At that point, I realized how useless he is.

Along with Emmerton, he's the most expendable forward on this team. Hardly ever fights and doesn't play as aggressive as he did several years ago.

If he doesn't return next season, I could care less. We need to find a bigger, harder hitting forward on our checking lines.


#2248281 What's wrong with Abdelkader?

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 23 January 2012 - 12:14 PM

I want to add to what I wrote yesterday.

When Abby was first called up, he hit everything that moved and was effective on every shift. He really wanted to make the team. Now that he has his roster spot, that same hunger and aggression isn't there anymore. He still hits people, but not to the same extent and frequency.

I want to see more passion out of him again.



Our leading fighter? LOL. That's not saying much. And he's our second leading hitter because we don't have too many hitters.

My whole point is that we should look for a bigger, harder hitting 4th liner, who actually fights and can contribute what Abby contributes offensively. Such players are not that hard to find.

Abby's tenacity has gone down, but much of that is due to him playing center. At wing, that player still exists. Further, you can say the same thing about Helm. When he played as call-up in the playoffs, he was a hitting machine. Now, Helm does not make as much of an impact physically.

You want to trade Abby and not Eaves, Miller, Emmerton, and Helm despite them having similar stats. You want to trade the Wings most physical player instead of keeping him. You always complain that the Wings lack toughness, yet you want to trade the small amount of toughness they posses. Team toughness is created through multiple players- not one enforcer. If you want to Wings to have more toughness, trading Abby is not the best route.


#2248279 What's wrong with Abdelkader?

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 23 January 2012 - 12:08 PM

The problem with Abdelkader is he is not good enough to play in the NHL. Not on this team anyways. If the waiver situation was reversed, we would be seeing Nyquist, and Tatar instead of Emmerton and Abdelkader.

Abby got most of his points and that big +/- playing with Cleary at the beginning of last season when Danny was scoring every time he shot the puck.

It drives me nuts that he get preferential treatment from Babcock because of his size.

Anyways, I agree with everyone about the lack of depth at centre being the bigger problem. In previous years, the Wings have had plenty of depth at centre, but now that Draper is gone and Filppula is playing wing, we've found ourselves with a serious hole up the middle.

We need to acquire a Nhl caliber centreman. If he's better than Helm and can take the 3rd line spot, Great! but if not, I'd be happy with any step up from Emmerton.

With a good enough centre I think Abdelkader can be a serviceable 4th line winger, sort of a "Mcarty light" type guy.

Let us compare Helm and Abby- I am assuming you believe that Helm is 'good enough' for the NHL while Abby is not. To put the statistics is perspective, Helm has played two less games, but he has a 2min/game TOI advantage. Helm has played ~45 min more than Abby this season. Thus, Helm's statistics (in total) should be similar or better (if you assume Helm is the better player), as it would take Abby three more games to equal Helm's total TOI.

Face off percentage: Abby has a .2 advantage. IMO this is a draw.
Hits: Abby has 24 more hits than Helm. Advantage Abby.
Blocked Shots: Abby has 5 more. Advantage Abby.
Giveaways: Helm has 4 more. Advantage Abby.
Takeaways: Helm has 8 more. Advantage Helm.
Goals: Both have five. Draw.
Assists: Helm has one more. IMO draw.
PIM: Abby has more (minors and total). Draw IMO as Abby has off-setting minors often.
+/-: Helm has a +2 advantage; however, they have equal goals for when on the ice. Draw/edge Helm.
Fights: Abby has two, Helm hasn't come close. Advantage Abby.

You credit Abby's success to Cleary, but you do not credit Cleary with the success of Helm or Miller. Simply, Abby has done at least as well as Helm (on paper) despite spending more time on a line with Emmerton and Homer. Abby is not the problem, the makeup of the fourth line is the problem IMO.


#2247996 1/21 GDT: Blue Jackets 2 at Red Wings 3 (SO)

Posted by DatsyukianDekes on 21 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

If Franzen followed up that play he would have had the rebound for the wide open net.


#2247056 Vancouver, your sour grapes are showing

Posted by wingslogo19 on 19 January 2012 - 10:23 AM

I thought this was written by Kesler :ph34r:


#2245410 1/14 GDT : Blackhawks 2 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by 55fan on 14 January 2012 - 08:57 AM

First game I ever went to was a Hawk vs Wing game. We lived in Chicago at the time and my Dad said, " the team in the Red and White is the team we are rooting for. See that 19, he's our boy. See that 91, he is magic. " I was 10 years old at the time. My Dads funeral is today so I will be missing the game, but I hope my Dad is on Gods good side and we come out with a regulation win. That's what he'd want. Go Wings!!!!!!!!

<hugs, dear>
If the game is televised in heaven, my dad has probably invited your dad over for beer and hockey.

I'll be thinking of you today. Take care.


#2245300 The ONE thing I can't stand about Wings games on FSD.....

Posted by rrasco on 13 January 2012 - 03:21 PM

I'd rather watch an Arby's commercial 275 times straight than a report from Shannon Hogan in the stands.


Yeah, she's awful


Why do people always find something to complain about? Do you people hate life that much?

EDIT: Yes, I negged you both. Figured I'd make that public since nobody stops complaining about 'mystery negs'.


#2244661 Zetterberg Trade Rumor

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 January 2012 - 06:09 PM

If Zetterberg's name is in the rumor and the other name is anything short of Ovechkin or Stamkos or Malkin then don't believe your friend's brother's uncle who lives next door to Holland's bastard child's half brother's nephew, who just happens to bank at the same place as Kory Kocur...


#2243258 1/8 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 2 (OT)

Posted by Doc Holliday on 08 January 2012 - 10:11 PM

Woooo suck it Chicago. Montador that little *****, took a Franzen punch and dove AFTER THE GAME WAS OVER. That, is the definition of being soft.


You know you are soft when Johan Franzen punches you out.


#2241414 1/3 GDT : Red Wings 5 at Stars 4

Posted by dat's sick on 03 January 2012 - 10:38 PM

Sweden Wins, Detroit Wins and Canada loses.

Perfect night!


#2238433 Jimmy Howard - "I’m just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 22 December 2011 - 08:22 PM

Abdelkader has been a huge disappointment in general this season. I'm not sure what it is, but he's just sort of disappeared into the woodwork.


In other words, he's very expendable.

I said last season (during his awful playoff) that we should get rid of him. He doesn't give us anything we don't already have. I'd rather see his roster spot taken by an enforcer.

He's our worst bottom 6 forward right now. Doesn't score points, and doesn't fight for his teammates. Why is he on the team again?


#2237199 12/19 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Oilers 2

Posted by cprice12 on 19 December 2011 - 12:21 PM

Should be a good game and a W as well. We have to try and keep pace with Chicago as much as possible. Can't let them get too comfortable atop the division.


Maybe you should worry about passing St. Louis in the standings before concentrating on Chicago.

;)


#2236936 12/17 GDT : Kings 2 at Red Wings 8

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 17 December 2011 - 09:21 PM

Wings are going to be screwed when Homer retires.


#2226539 11/17 GDT: Red Wings 2 at Sharks 5

Posted by WorkingOvertime on 17 November 2011 - 09:14 PM

Nothing abdelkader has done in the past two season suggest he should be prompted to the first line.

Okay? Did I state that?

Abby has done more than Fabian in the past two seasons. Fabain has played in the AHL (and NHL for the Wings) with teams affiliated with two non-playoffs teams. Abby has played in the playoffs and has been a constant NHler. Fabian has passed through waivers without being claimed, Abby has not been sent down and IMO he would be claimed if he were sent down.

Abby has proved he is a stable third line player through his play last year in the playoffs and his play this year. Fabian has not proven he can play in the NHL on any line (he is a solid fourth liner for the Wings though). Abby could become a Cleary type player for the Wings (playing any line) if his scoring improves when his lines-mates improve.

I have nothing against Fabian, but he needs to earn his time. This is a player that could not crack two non-playoff teams, and was not claimed on waivers. I am glad the Wings are giving him a chance- he just needs to earn his minutes.


#2225299 White´s injured

Posted by nuts2u on 14 November 2011 - 10:45 AM

It was a bloody ACCIDENT that he got hit in the face, why are people acting like he did some great thing? Sucks that he got hurt but he sure as hell didn't stick his face in line of fire on purpose...