Like when little Bert put Jensen on the LTIR? Everyone on the forum was for it. Trying to make an impression and a name for himself. Go back a few years. probert, kocur, grimson all practiced fighting. Tommy hearns used to box Mccarty lapointe etc..... There are tryout videos online of McKee fighting others in the USHL tryout camp. Every player has to play their game to earn a spot. You do what you have too to make it.
Very simple: yes you do what you have too to win the job.
Just to disprove your outlandish, and idiotic comments:
Said Tyler: “I just don’t want to run a vet. I’ll still play hard, but I’m not going to do something stupid.”
Ok, now I have to assume you just don't watch the games, or perhaps you have the ability to overlook what you don't want to acknowledge. And I'm mostly talking about the '09 regular season. Examples? How about every game. Detroit was roughed up enough in that season that we got the lovely phrase: "our powerplay will be/is our enforcer" in response to much criticism of Detroit NOT having an enforcer.
I hardly missed a game in that season. Sorry, but "every game" doesn't work. I'll need some actual examples if we're going to discuss this.
"Our power play is our enforcer" was coined by Mathieu Schneider during the 2005-2006 season.
Just because there weren't a lot of significant injuries inflicted does not mean it did not take its toll.
This can be neither quantified nor verified.
When the strategy of "ignore rather than address" actually yield's results, you'll have an argument. Like I said, I don't care if there is any direct, statistical correlation between team toughness and Championships, that fact is this, Detroit has yet to win a Stanley Cup with any of the soft teams they have iced over the last several seasons, and won with the one that was not soft.
Aaron Downey didn't play a single game in the playoffs; the team's only physical players were Kronwall, Drake, and Stuart. The 2007-2008 squad won the Cup on the power of its skill rather than its grit. The 2001-2002 team likewise won the Cup on skill; the only physical players on that roster were McCarty, Fischer, and Holmstrom.
Skill can win. It won this last season, and it won in 2002, 2006, 2008, 2009, and 2010.
Last post-season, Tootoo absolutely should have played. Would it have made a difference? Who the hell knows. But it at least would have been a counter-punch to what Shaw and Bickell were doing for Chicago. You need those types of players in the playoffs, like Drake for us in '08. Hitting can be as big a part of hockey as scoring.
Tootoo played in one game against the Ducks, a team substantially more physical than the Blackhawks. He played poorly. Tootoo is not good at playing defense, and he is undisciplined as well. He played himself off the roster.
As for the second round: the Red Wings outhit the Blackhawks, and generally played a more physical series. The Blackhawks were the softest team in last year's playoffs, as their fans will attest. They won the Cup anyway.
You can argue until you turn blue, but it's a fact.
If you're going to arbitrarily declare your viewpoint as fact, then we have little reason to continue this discussion.
All that I am saying is this, and It is my personal opinion: I believe that having a guy in the line-up, even if all he can really do is fight, is worth more to a team than one more extra scrub like a Kopecky in '09, when EVERYONE AND THEIR GRANDMOTHER'S were taking liberties with Detroit, or an Emmerton/Samuelsson on this team. Simple as that.
You'll need to remind me of this. Exactly when in the 2008-2009 season was everyone roughing up the Red Wings? Was it in the playoffs? Are you speaking of Commodore dumping himself into the bench after Stuart destroyed Umberger? Perhaps you're referring to the fights with the Ducks at the end of game six, but you're forgetting that Ericsson whooped Perry earlier in the series; I guess you could be referring to Brown's hit on Hudler, but it's rather hard to exact retribution on a guy who gets kicked out of the game and doesn't play in the rest of the series. Or maybe you're talking about the minor scrum after Kronwall obliterated Havlat? I mean, I really just don't get it. I don't remember any circumstances in the regular season either.
Teams have not targeted Detroit like they did in '09 for one simple reason: they are not all that relevant anymore. They are not the defending Stanley Cup champions, and they are not the barometer
Again, I nearly stopped reading here. This seems like an awfully easy way to give no examples in 2008-2009 and then say that there simply aren't any from the next season onward. Perhaps you're forgetting that in the 2009-2010 season, the Wings were coming off a three-season stretch in which they lost in the conference finals, made it to the finals twice, and won the Cup once. There were most certainly still one of the most hailed teams in the league, if not the most hailed. Nevertheless, your claim makes little sense: teams do what works. Whether they play more physically or less physically is a function of strategy and construction. They will not be stupidly aggressive simply because a team is prestigious.
Also, you're contravening your own argument. You're saying that the Wings regularly got roughed up in 2008-2009... but that everyone stopped because the Wings supposedly weren't irrelevant anymore. Um, OK. If that were actually the case, then why would the team need an enforcer now?
Chicago and Boston are, and I guarantee you that their coach or GM would never let their top stars take the extra abuse game after game like Holland and Babcock did in '09 without some intervention.
Again, what happened in that season? Whatever the case, Chicago doesn't play an enforcer. A couple of Blackhawks will fight, just as a few Wings will do.
Players said that they loved having Downey out there. Ask yourself why. No, he was not a major factor, at east not in a tangible way, in Detroit eventually winning the Cup, but don't knock what he did provide the team during the regular season. I'm not here to present indisputable evidence as to why or how having an enforcer in your line-up during the regular season correlates with winning a Cup, because there really isn't any -at least none that can be pointed to on a stat sheet, and most NHL teams routinely dress one anyways. All that I'm saying is that there is also no evidence that NOT dressing an enforcer during the regular season does anything more for your team than earn your star players a little extra abuse. That's it; that's my argument. Take it or leave it.
Saying that there's no evidence a measure will NOT help in its area of intent is not a very effective strategy in discussion. There's also no evidence that to say that, for example, standing on your head for four hours daily won't extend your lifespan by 20 years. I'll go with "leave it."
agreed, my point was that he is also a playmaker now.....apparently
plus Tatar wont play in the season, we have Cleary
OK, so first it's that Tatar won't be on the team because Cleary signed, and then it was that Cleary probably won't be on the team because Cleary signed, and now it's that Tatar will definitely be on the team but won't play because Cleary signed. And this despite Tatar being tied for the preseason lead in goals.
Exactly. Jensen could have easlily just fired back with a "Seriously, you're trying to start s*** at a prospects camp?" and skated away, but he dropped the gloves instead. He has as much if not more culpability for this as Little Bert. Still, not a good move by Tyler to stir things up like that in camp which is probably why he got a talking to from Uncle Bert.
From what I could see in the video, Jensen took an unnecessary, minor crosscheck to the back from Bertuzzi. Then, Jensen crosschecks him above Wing (jerking Bertuzzi's neck), pushes Bertuzzi in the face while Tyler is fixing his helmet, and then pushes him again in the chest/belly. Play continues and Bertuzzi is riding Jensen as he is heading towards the net. Jensen crosses the crease and Bertuzzi pushes him in the back after he enters the crease (which he very well should do, Jensen essentially ran over the goalie).
Jensen gets up, drops his gloves, throws the first couple of punches, they both exchange a few others, and Bertuzzi gets yanked to the ground, tries to regain his balance, and the fight is broken up.
If Jensen got injured, it was his own fault. He initiated the fight and was as much an instigator during the whole scene as Bertuzzi was. Sucks, but Bertuzzi shouldn't be getting blamed.
Posted by Euro_Twins
on 21 September 2013 - 12:54 AM
I hope the mods on this site have intollerance for unwarranted source requests and issue warnings and proceed with consequences to the posters who distract the discussions with this nonsense. It's irritating.
Back to Lil Bert. Is he good at agitating? Obviously. Do we need that? No. Jensen doesnt need to be agitated or have his patience tested by players wearing the same crest he has on. He will get that from opponents enough times.
Bertuzzi was showing what he brings, that's why he was signed, it's what's expected of him. And to your source comment, people generally prefer a source if your going to say something as if it were fact, that's just the way it is, or else just state it's your personal opinion, simple as that.
But the only reason Bertuzzi isnt in the serious doghouse right now is because it was Jensen and not a more highly touted prospect.
No, the reason he isn't in "the serious doghouse" right now is because he did exactly what he is supposed to do...agitate the opposing player to the point they lose their cool and end up taking a penalty.
Posted by rick zombo
on 06 September 2013 - 12:27 PM
Minnesota is widely regarded as having the best prospect pool in the league. I know its just 1 game and all pre-AHL prospects, but having just won the Calder trophy I'm very excited about our future. Easily the deepest prospect pool, every player we have drafted has potential