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#2621675 Holtby Asking for $8M

Posted by Buppy on 28 July 2015 - 01:15 AM


Only girls use wifi... back when hockey didn't suck we used hi-fi

Real hockey was played on icebergs by Vikings with axe blades strapped to their feet who just skated around trying to kill each other with the axe handles. Real radio was a wandering minstrel who sang stirring anthems and ribald ballads for a leg of roast mutton.

#2621651 Holtby Asking for $8M

Posted by Euro_Twins on 27 July 2015 - 07:03 PM

You kids and your fancy information and your gender equality and your hi-fi radios.

WiFi radios now grandpa

#2621636 Holtby Asking for $8M

Posted by The Greek on 27 July 2015 - 04:07 PM

The old eyeball test.  Keeping the Earth flat and at the center of the solar system since the dawn of man.  Gotta love it. 

Yup. It's particularly popular with people who use "girl" as an insult. It's pretty funny when you realize that the anti-analytics crowd is really just anti-information.

#2621653 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by _SP_ on 27 July 2015 - 07:14 PM

Add Larkin to that line on the power play, DRZL

Fo shizzle


This deserved more attention than it received.


Actually 4 is composite. 2 is prime though, trade Smith.




#2621649 My grandfather's hockey collection!

Posted by pokemonbreeder18 on 27 July 2015 - 06:22 PM

Hey guys, first off, I apologize if this is in the wrong forum. It's been years since I've posted on the site here....anyway...back in May I did a tour of my grandfathers hockey collection (mainly to show you guys) and I finally got around to uploading it. If you have an hour free, give it a watch. There are a lot of great hockey stories in here. My grandpa has known quite a number of people over the years involved with the game and many of these stories have probably never been heard (except by me and my family 1000 times lol) Most of it is Red Wings related, but I specifically had him point out a few of his non wings stuff for others. Around the 45 minute mark I start asking him questions directly & it can get a little loud because I'm so close to the camera, so just a warning for that. But if you're a fan of hockey history, give this a watch!

#2621373 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by Buppy on 23 July 2015 - 05:46 PM

I think even expecting him to hold down a top spot in the AHL is a pretty lofty expectation.  Going from the Q and being "a man amongst boys" to the AHL where he's "a boy amongst men" is a big change.  Serious huge step up from the Q to the AHL.

Hilarious. He absolutely should have been expected to be a top line player in GR. Even considering the injury he should have at least reached that level by the end of the year.


The people critical of him now are not for the most part the same people who had such unreasonable expectations. Those people are mostly the people defending him. Like LW. Last summer Mantha was better than Franzen and should be on the top line in Detroit, now it was too much to expect top line in GR. BS.


20th overall pick, 20-yo, great size, excellent skating, exceptional offensive skills, goal-per-game in the Q...we absolutely had a right to expect something better than 60th overall pick, undersized, 18-yo, first year in NA, Tomas-Tatar-level production.


He was disappointing. Not just relative to the more ridiculous expectations, but even to the reasonable ones. I didn't even expect him to be dominant in the AHL. But top-liner? 25-ish goals? 50-ish points? Maybe some consideration for AHL ROTY? Without a doubt. The injury was a setback, but he should have been coming around late in the year at least. Instead he got even worse.


He was disappointing. He knows, the coaches know it, management knows it, fans know it. Some just want to deny it because they think saying anything critical about a player they like is the end of the world or something. It isn't. He was disappointing. And that's OK. Doesn't make him a bust. Doesn't even mean he won't eventually be as good as thought prior to last season. It's just one season. 

#2621233 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by DickieDunn on 22 July 2015 - 07:16 PM

I'm rooting for him obviously, but I just don't see it translating for Pulkkinen. I personally thought the Wings should have sold high on him while he was tearing up the AHL. I think he's very one dimensional and that one dimension can be taken away by bigger, stronger and faster competition in the NHL. 

Yes... Join the haters. We have cake.

#2621171 Preliminary Red Wings Training Camp Roster

Posted by e_prime on 22 July 2015 - 09:12 AM

My god... Training camp/Pre-Season/October can't get here quick enough.

#2621165 Preliminary Red Wings Training Camp Roster

Posted by rick zombo on 22 July 2015 - 08:25 AM

Holland is business savvy. I don't doubt he is saying things even though the truth may be opposite...


I love all this Pulk and Mantha suck stuff! Pulk only lead the AHL in points all with playing 31 games in Detroit.  Mantha started the season with a broken leg and even after that had 33 points in 62 games, that is getting a point every 2 games...not bad for someone who missed most of training camp and had to make up for lost time.  I know Jimmy D said what he said and he knows more than all of us combined, but I reserve my assessment on him after a full healthy season. Even the likes of Abby had less than a point a game in his first AHL season and look how he turned out in the NHL.  I know Mantha was touted to be "that sniper" but if he turns into a solid player like Abby and scoring 20+ goals a season, I think he will have a very successful NHL career...


What happens when/if Larkin only scores .6 points a game in his first full season in GR? Does he suck then?


Except Larkin has many dimensions as a player (speed, skill, grit, work ethic, character, etc.). Abdlekader? Same sort of thing only more physical, less speed and skill. The early signs point to Mantha having no hustle, grit, or work ethic. You better be filling the net in the AHL if that's the only dimension to your game. I can't see him killing penalties or blocking shots anytime soon.

Link? Going into his draft I remember his issue was work ethic and foot speed.

I also remember Mantha being the one teams asked for. But we'll never know for certain will we?


If only we knew someone who knew someone that sort of knew someone within the organization that could give us the real scoop. Oh well.

#2621176 Preliminary Red Wings Training Camp Roster

Posted by e_prime on 22 July 2015 - 09:39 AM

Because conversation gets way more intelligent here at LGWs when the season starts? :lol:


Well, at least there will be "real" things to talk about???

Yes, I'm totally burying Lefty's connects and how underwhelmed we are by them and which prospects/players were asked for and ultimately not traded.  I mean, really... who gives a f***?

#2621140 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by kickazz on 21 July 2015 - 11:23 PM

kickazz, I don't turn on player left and right. I admit, I have turned on a couple, Q and Franzen to name two, but not before they have PROVEN in the NHL that they aren't worth the money or the roster spot.  Granted, Q did better last season, but he makes too much money.  I know the market dictates it, but I think Holland should have just let him go when he was UFA instead of spend the $4.25M on him...we would've had XO or Marchy all season last year and this year.  Franzen....nevermind, I need not get in to that subject...its been well discussed.
Doesn't mean I will TURN on Pulk, but at least give him a full season to prove whether or not he is indeed worthy of an NHL spot. He will MOST definitely do a s*** ton better than Franzen will.

I vaguely remember you suggest Z retire because he was out of gas during the tampa series.

34 year old captain retire who consistently leads team in points year in and year aside from his twin (pav)?

Proven player at all levels but ya turned on him. Pulk hasnt proven himself, if anything being skeptical towards an underexperienced player is more justified than turning on someone because they had one bad playoff series.

5 goals in Pulk 31 games wasnt very promising if I was truly unbiased. But I have hope he can do better with 82 games.

Hope, not wild assumption. And ill take a bet with you that if Franzen played healthy this season he puts up more points than Pulk.

#2621100 Holtby Asking for $8M

Posted by kylee on 21 July 2015 - 02:48 PM

That's an expensive pro scout :P

Yeah but did you know he scored 50 goals in a season in juniors?

#2620702 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by kickazz on 16 July 2015 - 12:39 PM


Not a problem - published on February 9th of this year.




Like i said, the only stastical positive Johan Franzen provides us with is a powerplay that operates at 2.7% better. Pretty sure Mike Green has that covered.

Wow aside from the powerplay, the team really does play better without him it looks like. 


2.88 goals per game with Franzen. 3.05 without him. 2.45 goals against with him and 2.21 without him.


Those aren't very promising stats. 


But then again. Didn't the team also have better stats WITHOUT Datsyuk in the 2013/2014 season? Atl east I think that was the case for a good period of time when he wasn't playing. 


So I'm not sure if these stats are truly reflective.

#2620617 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by Helmethead on 15 July 2015 - 11:40 AM

Is this the story about Riley and Brendan Smith?

#2620603 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by e_prime on 15 July 2015 - 11:13 AM

Chuck Pleiness @wingsfrontman 23m23 minutes ago Chesterfield, MI

Forward Louis-Marc Aubry signs a one-year, two-way deal with the wings. Aubry will make $575,000 in the NHL and $80,000 in the AHL.

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In other news:  We can't buy out Franzen until next year, and if we do, it will be costly not in actual dollar amount but in salary cap dollars because of the nature of his front loaded contract. 
If we trade Franzen and he decides to retire, we will be hit with costly recapture salary cap dollars.  If we waive Franzen and he is claimed we are still on the hook for recapture dollars if he does not finish out his contract.  If we waive him and he goes down to GR, we'll garner little savings.
I would post the numbers, but most of you Franzen haters didn't even read this post... let alone care about sound reasoning when it comes to the player and his potential.
His potential, even as a thirteenth forward often scratched -- much like Weiss who's cap hit was more or Cleary, who clearly isn't an NHL caliber player, is worth more than any of the savings we'd get from any of the awful options listed above.  So he doesn't play 82 games and put up the numbers he once did... but if he can slot in for injuries, chip in some goals here and there, get on a streak and dominate. 
Gee. All the clusterf*** of cap woes above and his possible potential  I don't know why I'd want to dump him in the bin.
Also, when the pro-Franzen s***-storm happens, I'm not buying an umbrella.  I'll be like Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption after he crawls through the sewage tunnel, raising his arms to the sky with the rain pouring down -- except the exact opposite because I'm all clean and nothing but s*** is raining down.  Sweet glorious Franzen s***!  Still gonna welcome it like SWEET FREEDOM!