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#2622242 Which prospect will have the best nhl career

Posted by number9 on Today, 12:21 PM


True.  And I would encourage those who don't have an opinion on the matter to refrain from opining.  Which is a heck of a lot more honest than endlessly repeating how great Mantha is, until he isn't, and then going on a on about how great Larkin will be.  If, heaven forbid, he's not that great in the AHL you can bet your ass this same poll will come up a year from now and Svechnikov will be the most common pick.  But that doesn't really say much does it?


Instructions unclear. Louis-Marc Aubry.

#2622191 Which prospect will have the best nhl career

Posted by number9 on Yesterday, 07:46 PM

I can't believe I'm the only one who voted for Mantha so far

#2622173 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by number9 on Yesterday, 04:26 PM

Take a look at Toews beard and then take a look at Zetters beard. Does that answer the question?

Case closed

#2622169 Who is better Nyquist or Tatar?

Posted by number9 on Yesterday, 03:04 PM

oh boy Tatar is killin it


switched my vote

#2622152 Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Posted by number9 on Yesterday, 11:57 AM

Some people are watching the games, instead of looking at spreadsheets and notebooks. If tires Toews were an ufa today 28 teams would be lining up with even more money than his 10,5 he is that valuable. Most people that think he isn't a top 10 player should watch the games.

Just like Keith he always gets into best mode come playoff time. People honestly wouldn't take him over Z right now? Hard to believe also their peak can't be compared because nobody knows if Toews has peaked already or might get even better.

Toews at 27 has won everything in his young career and could very well end up with half a dozen cups when all is said and done. I don't care about regular season stats if a player disappears when it matters the most, Toews is the opposite. So yeah till Giroux, OV and done other ppg players can do the same I'd take captain serious over everyone not named Crosby or Stamkos and I don't need spreadsheets to know that, his accomplishments, work ethic, leadership qualities and the praise people in the NHL is more than enough.

Z's peak had him playing unreal hockey.


What a novel idea. As a hockey fan I never thought of actually watching the games. Thanks for the tip Frank.

#2622057 Then and Now: Tatar vs Hudler

Posted by number9 on 01 August 2015 - 06:22 PM

I think if Tatar is going to be a top level player in this league, this could be the year. Same with Nyquist.

I'd like to see Huds repeat this last season. Not so sure he will.

#2622030 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by number9 on 01 August 2015 - 10:06 AM

Fetisov is now proposing that the khl block russians from coming to the NHL at any age.


Dudes crazy...

All of the hits to the head he sustained over his playing career must be catching up to him.



Wow. After seeing the movie Red Army recently, and seeing everything Fetisov had to go through to play in the USA, it's very surprising he would feel this way.


He's just a pawn of the Russian government now. I'm sure he gets a lot of "encouragement" to tow this line.

#2621971 Jonathan Quick on snipers, including Datsyuk

Posted by number9 on 31 July 2015 - 07:28 PM


The more games you play the harder the PPG is to maintain? Is that not common sense? It's not personal, it's pretty rational. I showed you stats that prove my argument, I have yet to see anything from you except text as to why you think Toews is better.


Yes, Z over Toews because as stats show Toews is not the better player.


Edit: Actually I don't know why I am asking you for stats, you are the same person that doesn't acknowledge advanced stats. You can't argue what you don't undestand.


Some people just lap up whatever the media tell them to think. It's a problem that extends far beyond national sports.

#2621970 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by number9 on 31 July 2015 - 07:22 PM


Since your bringing up Toews selke's, and great two way play. Let's see if the gap is really that close for the defensive argument you are clinging to.


Let's compare the resumes to show how Toews all around play doesn't account for Ovi's all around play.



1 Selke
1 Conn Smythe


Oh yea, that 1 selke really shows Toews is soo great defensively. He is absolutely just miles above everyone else, especially Ovi. He has a whopping 1 more Selke after all. Like I said before, are you saying Bergeron is better then Toews?


2005-06 NHL Calder Memorial Trophy
2007-08 NHL Art Ross Trophy
2007-08 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy
2007-08 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy
2007-08 NHL Ted Lindsay Award
2008-09 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy
2008-09 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy
2008-09 NHL Ted Lindsay Award
2009-10 NHL Ted Lindsay Award
2012-13 NHL Hart Memorial Trophy
2012-13 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy
2013-14 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy
2014-15 NHL Maurice Richard Trophy


Oh yea, let me also mention one of these players is a generational talent, the other is just a very good player.


Logic + Facts = Nerdy + Math Freak


Nerdy + Math Freak = You lose, you get nothing, good day sir


My knock on Ovi is his commitment to defense. It has lapsed at times. Otherwise he's an absolute bull in a china shop/freak of nature generational talent


My knock on Toews is he's overly praised for being on a very good team that he happens to captain, so he gets a ton of attention. He's also Canadian, so he gets ton of attention. He's pretty much supplanted Crosby as the NHL's "can't do wrong" "favoritest player" golden boy. Otherwise he's a very hard working player on all ends of the ice.


My edge goes easily to Ovi. Had Ovi been Canadian and drafted in Toews spot on the Hawks, and Toews Russian and drafted in Ovi's spot on the Caps... Toews would be talked about like Backstrom and Ovi would be talked about like Super Mario.

#2621932 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by number9 on 31 July 2015 - 02:09 PM

Voracek has literally *1* point per game season. The rest are all 40-50 points. I firmly believe this contract is a huge gamble. Another example of teams (ugh Philly again) over inflating contracts based on one good performance


Definitely a gamble, but he's a player that that team can't afford to lose at this point. He's got some leverage.


Not like Giroux fed the guy all season either. Voracek outscored him and acted as pretty darn good playmaker.

#2621912 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by number9 on 31 July 2015 - 12:07 PM

I think he probably got paid a little too much.  But not terribly so.  I guess my overall point is that for negotiation purposes, contracts for guys like Kane, Toews, and ROR matter.  But in determining a players actual value they don't say much.  All three of those guys got paid the way they did because of externalities.  I guess what I'm saying is, there's a tendency to think "Well if O'Reilly got 7.5 then Voracek is worth 8.5".  Which is how contract negotiations work, I understand, but it's flawed because O'Reilly isn't actually worth 7.5.  He's just worth that to a desperate team. 

Then use Tarasenko as an example. They got very similar contracts.

I thought "freaking ROR" would illustrate my belief and the common fact that he is overpaid

#2621907 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by number9 on 31 July 2015 - 11:38 AM

I agree with your overall point, but I wouldn't look too much into your examples.  Toews and Kane are worth whatever they want, for the most part.  You can surround them with anybody else and they win you Cups.  The return on investment with those two is insane. 


With O'Reilly it's just a matter of a bad team trying to put itself on the map.  Any competitive team wouldn't have paid him that.  But Buffalo desperately needs some legitimacy, to get it you need good players, and to get them (if you're a small market and you suck) you have to overpay.  Guys like O'Reilly ain't going to Buffalo for the girls and the nightlife.


So you think the contract is bad or no? More examples: Tarasenko at 7.5 or Stepan at 6.5. 


Voracek was 5th in the entire league in scoring this last season. And he's big and he's young. I'm saying he pretty much got market value.

#2621888 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by number9 on 30 July 2015 - 09:14 PM


PEI lobster, classic

#2621742 Mitch Callahan

Posted by number9 on 28 July 2015 - 10:16 PM

Rousey could wreck a lot of male MMA fighers, and I say this as a huge UFC fan. McGrattan would be in an arm bar pleading for mercy before he knew what happened.

#2621739 Line combos for 97, 98 Cups?

Posted by number9 on 28 July 2015 - 10:12 PM

Yup, went to grind line and they ended up putting Yzerman and Fedorov together for a good while. Stevie was aging pretty bad by then. 

Plus we signed guys like Hull and Robataille, no reason McCarty should have stayed on top lines. 

Same, but they did wreck for a good few games. 

McCarty was your typical grade A fighter, grinder without being all that big. His upper body strength was just ridiculous..... Plus it always helped having a right handed shooter.. something we haven't seen much of in a while unfortunately. 


97, 98 and even 2002 lines had a good balance of right and left shooters, wish we could get s'more. 


True. Half the reason McCarty performed less point wise in the 2000's is because we basically had an all-star team at that point. I still believe the salary cap exists almost solely because of us.