I wouldn't want fil , I think if he was here it be the same old bs with him .... We'll never know but I just think he was destined to forever be an under achiever here for whatever reason .... Just sucks we got weiss but at least we got to see loads of the kids here (nyquist Tatar sheahan jurco) play great ... Just imagine them I. 2-3yrs
That's why I always said every year we should be bringing up a kid or 2 to filter them In a few at a time and let them learn instead of bringing up a bunch at a time .... Imagine how good nyquist and Tatar would be now if they had a full season already ? ..... Boy went off topic there abit lol
Does anyone know if Weiss has a full no trade?
That's a fair POV I just think at the end of the day trading Helm is beyond unwing like.
Helm is our only bottom sizer with value and that's why we should trade him?
Guess why Emmerton/Glendening/Andersson have no value to other teams? Cause they have no value here either. Moving Helm just means everyone here would ***** about our bottom 6 instead of our 2nd line center. You just trade one problem for another. Why move a proven piece and take the chance on another Weiss?
Our defense has been bad. The first half of the season wasn't great, but Quincey was statistically on the ice for a ridiculous amount of turnover leading directly to goals. I forget the number but we'd be near the top of the conference with anyone better than him.
And of course, we know Smith and Kindl have struggled.
The defense is only 6 guys so two or three struggling, when your team philosophy is "defense by committee", hurts.
Even with our scoring woes, and Howard struggling, the main issue is defense.
To be Cup contenders we need a top 4 defenseman (preferably top 2) who can score, and a bottom pairing defenseman who is a veteran, solid defense-first guy.
Now, more scoring never hurts, but even if you add a score the team will be giving up too many goals. Whereas if you fix the defense, you free up the offense to focus on what they do best.
Quincey is actually only 3rd on the teams D in giveaways (Smith 39, Kronwall 33, Quincey 32, Kindl 31, Ericsson 30). He's also played more games than any other D-man on our team... suggesting that his giveaway's per-game is lower than most of our other D (I don't wanna compute the numbers, but I believe that math makes sense). More, Quincey is also leading our D in take-aways (Quincey 27, Kronwall 20, Smith 14, Lashoff 13, Ericsson 12, Kindl 12). More, Quincey is also 1st among our D in even strength ice time, 2nd among our D in shorthanded ice time, and only has 23 minutes on the PP... suggesting that his giveaways and takeaway numbers are better per minute than our other d-men.
Is Quincey good? No. But he's not a horrible ball and chain like everyone suggests. We brought him in for a first at the deadline and he wasn't the savior everyone hoped for, and he gets crucified for it. He's just another Eaves. Good? No. Bad? No. Just blahhhhhhhhh
Why NOT, Ehrhoff is on a GREAT contract.
When HEALTHY, Helm is one of the best if not the BEST 3rd line center in NHL.
Datsyuk is arguably the best 1st line center when HEALTHY. Trade him too?
Helm is arguably the best 3rd line center in the league. He does that job better than anyone. I don't see the point in moving the best 3rd line center in a package deal to get an "ok" top sixer. I understand it's an upgrade to have another top sixer, I'd just rather see the best pieces in the right places. This is never going to be a 2003 team where everyones a top guy. Know what I mean? Idk... screw you guys, helm is the man
This isn't random third line center were talking about. It's Darren Helm. One of the fastest and most defensively responsible centers in the game. Liked and respected by teammates. Liked and respected by management and the coaches. Loved by fan base. He IS our bottom 6. He won't be traded just like Draper was never traded. Expendable? IMO he's one of our bright spots...