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#2556981 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 11:27 PM

 

I know.  My point is, it's hard to have a physical sport with a fighting history, and expect people not to fight when there's an elbow or a cheap hit.  The Smith fight was necessary.  He doesn't want a guy running him again like that.  He was sticking up for himself.  If you take fighting out of the game completely, I'm afraid it'll encourage more cheap hits.  

 

I don't think any of us are arguing that. At least I'm not. I just don't understand yours and Frank Grimes man crush on Mcgrattan lol




#2556971 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 11:16 PM

 

So we're all low brow dips***s because we happen to like that part of the game and the players who have historically been linked with hockey pugilistics?  I like that part of hockey history as much as I like the skilled players who made up the game's history.  

 

You need to get off your high horse.  

 

That's the thing. Heavyweights are history. I love and miss that part of the game too, but the reality is, it just doesn't function like that anymore. Mcgrattan can fight, sure. But he'll never be a Probert, or even a Dmac. He's just not useful in any department besides fighting. He's butterbean with skates on.




#2556967 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 11:09 PM

 

McGrattan and Engelland will make a man out of him yet.  


 

So if there's a brawl during a Wings game this year and the fans are into it, are you going to come here and post about how boring, stupid and pointless it all was?  Or are you going to chant and be entertained like everyone else?  

 

If there's a fight at a Wings game, heck yeah I'm gonna be pumped. I love a good scrap. But I don't want a McGrattan on the team JUST because he scraps. He's got to be useful when he's not scrapin too.

 

Take the Smith-Panik fight we're supposed to be talking about. Things got heated and Smith stood up for himself and threw down, atta boy Smitty. I love it. But before and after that fight Smith still brings solid hockey to the team. McGrattan doesn't do that at all.

 

I get the feeling that you guys wanna see more of the heavy-weight bouts like in the 80s, but those bouts frankly have nothing to do with hockey, just two guys fighting over an imaginary belt. Even so, they don't exist anymore! If they did Perry and Lucic would have a formal square off at every Bruins Ducks match-up.

 

The so-called "fighters" these days barely offer quality hockey at the AHL level. Those guys exist purely to put butts in seats.

 

Now if it's guys who will stand up for their teammates you want, I'm all for a Simmonds type on this team. That would be AWESOME. But Mcgrattan is no substitute for that. All he brings is an on ice liability, which means we can no longer roll all 4 lines against whomever. He's not out there protecting Joakim Andersson, he's putting on a spectacle for the fans.




#2556944 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 08:34 PM

Not to nit pick, but Probie's death was caused by cardiac arrest aka a heart attack (years of alcohol, and drug abuse were contributing factors).

 

But yes - his brain was donated for research, and signs of CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) were present.

 

And brain damage also tends to only worsen drug and alcohol abuse




#2556915 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 03:15 PM

 
Right. I knew there was something I didn't get. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
I'll defer to your wisdom. Mike Green would be an excellent #2 Dman.


According to some Kronwall can't handle #1 spot either

any interest in Wisniewski?  I know he has a modified NTC and would probably have to submit a list of teams or something, but instead of blowing the wad on a #2 guy, maybe spend a bit less on a better #3?
 
Don't know, I am just looking at the bottom dwellers and seeing who may be looking to make a deal...speaking of bottom dwelling, WTF happened to Colorado?


Highly doubt we show any interests after his comments about Detroit's management.


#2556885 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 01:25 PM

 
Miller?


And what if he retires? He is graying u know.


#2556866 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 12:42 PM

 

I agree with your position on fighting, but I don't really want to make his a pro vs. anti fighting thread. 

 

And you're right, I am assuming people would react differently.  That's because in all my life, I've never known a sports fan who was ok with with a questionable referee decision if said decision wasn't in their teams' favor.  Occasionally fans will begrudgingly accept a refs' decision if it's too obvious to ignore, or else the outcome of the decision is inconsequential.  But if it matters at all, every fan will always take their teams' side.  That's what being a fan is all about.  So if Smith is winning it's "let em' go ref" and if he's losing it's, "they need to get involved earlier". 

 

Same with penalties.  Think about it.  People ***** and moan about the refs CONSTANTLY on this site, but conveniently leave out the part about how the Wings get more powerplays than almost every other team in the league.  Pretty mum on that one, because it helps us out. 

 

Cause other teams are mean and we're nice  :innocent:




#2556848 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 15 December 2014 - 11:35 AM


Agreed, 100%. Even before Weiss was coming back, I was fine with moving Helm in a deal. As you say, he's a fantastic 3rd line center, but he's not being used in that role anymore. Sheahan's been showing he's got more offensive upside than a lot of people expected of out him. They wanna split Datsyuk and Z, they don't want to split them... either way. This team can run Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Sheahan, Weiss, Glendening and even Andersson down the middle without Helm. If another team thinks he's an attractive piece as part of a deal, I move him for a more pressing need in Detroit.


Fast. defense. wake boarding. darren helm. never trade.


#2556760 12/13 GDT : Red Wings 1 @ Maple Leafs 4 *MOD WARNING POST 198*

Posted by number9 on 14 December 2014 - 01:31 PM

 

I don't mind trusting in Holland, but isn't that kind of a stretch? Yzerman's put together a ludicrously deep team (for a cap era team) that's going to be competitive for a long time. He got Bishop for nothing. He got Garrison for nothing. He flipped Quincey for a first-round pick. He turned the impossible MSL situation into Callahan, a first-round pick, and a second-round pick. He found Johnson. He has Palat and Kucherov, and Drouin, and Hedman, and crazy organizational depth at the goalie position (though, Nabokov was definitely a "You serious, bro?" signing) (though, he's an upgrade over Lindback). Stralman and Boyle were great signings. Flip's been huge for them. Stamkos is a pretty good hockey player. John Cooper - perfect fit. Cutting ties with Salo was the right call, one Holland probably wouldn't have made, because loyalty and veteran leadership and right-handed shot and depth and all that.

 

Losing Panik hasn't hurt them one bit. Yzerman knows what he's doing.

 

Not saying he hasn't done good. Only screw ups I can think of that he's made is the Lindback deal and waiving Panik. But he was trained by Kenny after all ;)




#2556756 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 14 December 2014 - 01:22 PM

Rumor has it that Yandle and Boedker can be had.  The asking price for Yandle is rumored to be a top line guy, prospect, and second round pick.  We've got a top line forward on our third line.  No rumored asking price on Boedker.  So...

 

Franzen, Helm, Kindl (or Andersson), Pulkkinen, 2nd

 

for

 

Yandle and Boedker

 

 

Which would give us

 

Nyquist-Z-Abby

Tatar-Pav-Boedker

Jurco-Sheahan-Weiss

Miller-Glendening-Andersson (or Callahan if Andersson went the other way)

 

Thoughts?

 

Yandle and Boedker are super overrated. Yandle is Rafalski without the benefit of the RH shot, and Rafalski was not exactly always loved around here. And Boedker is suddenly being super overrated around the league just cause he's available and fans wanna see moves made IMO. He's not at all good defensively, like a bigger Hudler.

 

I think the deal makes us better in the O-zone but hurts us slightly in the D-zone, even with the addition of Yandle. We don't gain much physicality in the deal either. It's like trading softies for softies, but we give up a bit of our future too. I say no.




#2556738 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by number9 on 14 December 2014 - 03:29 AM

Yeah - as a fan of hockey from the late 70's - retaliation was something we came to expect.

 

As the game continues to evolve we will most likely see it banned from the pro level (NHL/AHL) within 10 years.

 

I feel the 'heat of the moment' types of fights still have their place in the game, but even that will go away eventually.

 

*sigh*




#2556736 12/13 GDT : Red Wings 1 @ Maple Leafs 4 *MOD WARNING POST 198*

Posted by number9 on 14 December 2014 - 03:07 AM

Anybody know why Yzerman waived Panik? I was impressed with him in Calder Cup 2 years ago.

 

I think he just plain had to, and didn't exactly manage his roster correctly. I wouldn't have waived Panik unless I absolutely had too. He's been real good whenever I've seen him. World juniors and minors.

 

I don't want to be an unpopular Holland liker (but I am). Holland has waived guys like Nestrasil and Ritola, never a Panik type. In Kenny I trust.




#2556722 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by number9 on 14 December 2014 - 01:54 AM

Getzlaf knows he can be a bully since the Oilers lack heart, and are a downright mess.

 

It's super douchey, but speaking for myself (and probably some others here who played) when I played in HS I would always take liberties with bad team or when we were winning. It's part of the game. That being said, the red Wings probably would have cut me :lol: and for good reason.




#2556400 Vaya con dios Damien Brunner

Posted by number9 on 13 December 2014 - 11:11 AM

Fil also excelled in the top six the year before playing on Z'swing.

In the case if dekeyser it's a yes and no answer. He didn't "earn it" by working way up through minors for a team. But essentially earned it byte wings saying "hey stay in school one more year and we will sign you to a roster spot".

 

So what? Brunner excelled on Z's wing with Zug, just like Dekeyser excelled at western without any Wings. Filppula flopped in a contract year and then wanted a "GUARANTEED" big top 6 contract. Again, there is almost zero difference in both scenarios, yet you're clinging to this self-fabricated idea that Brunner had a bad-attitude while in Detroit. Why?




#2556361 Rank our griffins d prospects

Posted by number9 on 13 December 2014 - 12:52 AM

I'm worried about marchenko though , with him being young and Russian always a chance he bails to the khl

I was really high on him because he's swedish and I can't help but pay attention to every swede we have but I don't know anymore about backman but I hope your right

 

How often does this actually happen? In reality? Not that much. We've seen a couple major russian stars bolt bc of money thrown at them, but that kind of thing doesn't happen with guys like Gonchar or Tyutin. So unless Marchenko proves he is the next Fetisov tomorrow, I don't see any real reason to be worried about this at the moment. When he starts dominating the NHL and makes a major name for himself I'll start to slightly worry. Emphasis on slightly. After all Datsyuk and the Red Wings have been loyal to each other for years. Red Wings have always done a pretty good job of treating their stars right and keeping them here. Doubt that changes tomorrow. And I'm not surprised Russians bolted from the jokes that are NJ and Nashville. I'd bolt from their too if I was Russian.