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#2533719 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 04 August 2014 - 09:55 PM

When z and d are healthy they are most certainly elite. But you can't say the top 2-3 players in the league are elite only. Z and d are no longer top 2-3. You have stamkos Crosby Malkin Tavares toews who are all in their prime.

 

I was trying to be sarcastic, but yes I agree. I think Degrass backed himself into a corner by claiming that only 2-3 players are elite at their position. Heck I think there's at least 5 "elite"goalies in this league. And since there's 30 starting goalies in this league that means that theirs 60 top pairing D-men, and I believe at least 6 or 7 could be considered elite. And When it comes to forwards there's even more. I don't think the term elite should ever be pigeon-holes into one specific number. Personally I consider D and Z very elite, Kronwall no. Very proficient, but not a game-changer.




#2533716 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 04 August 2014 - 09:44 PM

 

Again, though, the post said 'have' and 'is.'  It did not say 'had' and 'was.'

 

So, just for full clarification, please list the players on the Wings roster that you consider to be elite currently.

 

Kronwall isn't elite because he has never been one of the top 2-3 D-men in the league.

 

Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still elite because at one point they were the top 2-3 in the league, until they declined to where they weren't, but sometimes they can still play at that level. Thus they are elite. 

 

What aren't you following?  :lol:




#2533675 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 04 August 2014 - 09:42 AM

Wow, this thread got carried away pretty quickly didn't it?  Seems like there's got to be a way to say what you're trying to say, without being so matadorish.  I'll take a stab at it.
 
DeGraa55:  I think the Wings will be just as bad as last year because we made no noticeable acquisitions to a team which has underwhelmed for 5 straight post seasons.  Plus, I think injuries will be a problem again because older players (e.g. Dats, Z, Franzen, Knonwall, etc.) tend to get injured MORE and not less over time. 
 
Number9:  I think the Wings will be better than last year because while we made no noticeable acquisitions, our young player were REALLY good last year and should be better this year.  And while injuries may be a problem again a year from now, they couldn't possibly be as bad as last year because that was just insane.  Plus, there's no way Jimmy will be that bad again right?  He's never been that bad his entire career.  We've got nowhere to go but up.
 
 
All better. 

I miss the days of our biggest problem being whether or not Filppula and Hudler were going to shoot.

*sigh*


#2533655 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by number9 on 03 August 2014 - 09:00 PM

In my mind Konstantinov would have been legendary had that tragedy not occurred.


#2533634 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by number9 on 03 August 2014 - 06:32 PM

Daniel Cleary


#2533592 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 03 August 2014 - 02:05 AM

You quoted half of it LOL.

8th out of 8 is basement buddy.


Ya it's funny a lot of people were saying we would do that well. Meanwhile I said we would finish....where we did.

I was happy with the Weiss signing then and still ain't. By the could do better. He is just one of many question marks.

 

 

No, being almost completely healthy and finishing in the basement of the league is... well, the basement. See: Florida, Buffalo, etc.

 

You've avoided my comments in this thread thus far, so I'll let that speak to the quality of your opinion. But for most regulars around here you've already painted yourself as a doom n gloomer who back peddles when called out. So goodluck with your terse detracting responses.




#2533588 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 03 August 2014 - 01:28 AM

To me elite is like top 2 or 3 at that position. Like goalies. Elite we had guys like Brodeur Roy and hasek now it's henrik and quick.

So to me kronwall is very good but not elite.

 

 

I don't think anyone around here considers Kronwall #1 #2 or #3. And I think your being a bit unjustly argumentative thinking that anyone around here seriously would.  I don't think I've ever seen Kronwall ranked in the top5 around here. But you just assumed your definition of elite was the same as everyone else's right?




#2533584 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 02 August 2014 - 11:56 PM

Kronwall elite? No. Elite is the best of the best too many people throw elite around too much.

 

Kronwall finished 13th in Norris voting this year. That means he's ranked higher than 168 NHL D regulars among the theoretical 180. And that's on a team that was severely injured the entire season, with a weak D, and a goalie in a down year. If elite to you is top 10, cool. But that's good enough to me to not split hairs about it...

 

 




#2533509 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 02 August 2014 - 01:14 AM

The Wings definitely play to their advantage, and the biggest one is finding diamond in the rough young players AKA scouting. I have no problem with the organization exploiting this strength.




#2533508 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 02 August 2014 - 01:12 AM

Laugh all you want but luckily facts are facts can't get around it.

 

What facts have you presented?

 

I'll quote a rational individual I know: "Troll Harder"


Ya the fact we barely made the playoffs is funny.

 

I guess you didn't catch it, but that's not what he's laughing at bud




#2533502 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 02 August 2014 - 12:21 AM

But it's not JUST last year. I agree IF WE STAY healthy we could be good. But we haven't. These past few years have shown that WONT be the case. Were injury prone and until that changes that's what fans should be saying.

Not IF this or IF that. FACTS are mean.

Were competing with the leafs for the last few playoff spots. On your list Tampa Boston and Mtl are all better. Yes boston go worse but are still better.

 

Yes LGW is very aware of your "FACTS" har har har




#2533496 Red Army Documentary

Posted by number9 on 01 August 2014 - 11:00 PM

This looks awesome. At the end of the day when you ask what is the coolest thing about the Red Wings I'll say the Russian 5. I loved them. That was the beginning of the Red Wings being the most progressive hockey team, going where other teams wouldn't think to, to build a dynasty. And it really was the beginning of our dynasty. They were mesmerizing to watch. It was like "Hey you know that crazy good Soviet team that has played in 5 man units since birth that dominates the world, they're ours now". Can't wait for this.

 

One of the things I loved was all the stories of what those Russians had to do to defect from the USSR. Backroom deals, players jumping out of moving trucks, faking serious ailments, dodging the KGB, If anyone remembers any of those please share.




#2533494 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 01 August 2014 - 10:39 PM

Looking at the playoff teams WE ARE IN THE BASEMENT. Stop ignoring it. We were 8th. So many people here think were a top 4 team in either conference when was the last time that happened? Stop drinking the damn kool aid and face facts. Until we do better were a fringe playoff team. That's what's been proven these last several seasons.

 

With the ridiculous season we had last year, this team is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, toss up in the league this year. Could stay healthy and finish with good playoff position. Could go through the same injuries and squeak in or miss the playoffs. Anyone certain of where this team will finish is either crazy or possesses a crystal ball. Which are you?




#2533493 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by number9 on 01 August 2014 - 10:31 PM

The bruins who lost to Mtl who then lost to nyr are a powerhouse? Do people even watch hockey? Stop cherry picking stats fact is most teams got better in the easy and Detroit stayed the same...

 

Most teams in our division got worse or stayed the same this year. Are you watching the offseason?




#2533429 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by number9 on 31 July 2014 - 04:59 PM

I find it funny that after all the hoopla Justin Shultz is still unsigned in Edmonton.  Has anyone heard any rumblings going on with him?  Not that we could afford to add him to our roster, but I just thought it very funny that Edmonton "won" the sweepstakes and haven't yet tied him down for another 3 contract.  I would, of course, rather have him than either Q or K...
 
Also, I see that Jeremy Welsh signed a minor league two-way contract with St. Louis for $550,000.  Damn, I sure would've liked to have him the organization.  Its only a one year though, maybe he could be one of those depth signings next season that Holland likes to do.  He would have been a nice invite to training camp as well if he hadn't signed in St. Louis.  They got them a nice solid depth player.


DeKeyser is still unsigned with us, and we won the sweepstakes on him... What's your point?

So you weren't enthralled with the signings of all of the Nosek, Miele, Porter, Zengerle type players, but you wish we signed a 26 year old AHL checker with all of 25 NHL games on his resume?