But people don't hate Datsyuk or Babcock, so that kind of debunks the "people just speculating about Franzen out of disdain" theory.
If your whole point was just that people on an internet message board are prone to unsubstantiated conjecture, well...water is wet too. Fact is, none of that speculation is entirely baseless, nor did anyone say Franzen was done for certain. His career is in jeopardy. How much is open to debate. Maybe not enough to be worth discussing, but then again "worth discussing" is also open to debate. None of us have enough information to accurately calculate the risk. For that matter, not even noted concussion experts have enough information to say when, or even for sure if, he'll get better. I read one report that said as many as 32% of PCS sufferers still had symptoms a year or more after the injury. If he had to sit out a year, at his age, would he still be able to, or even want to, come back? Who can say.
What we can say is that there is some risk. For me, some is enough to be worth talking about.
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I agree that it's probably best for his own health to 'hang'em up' - however he'll go on LTIR just as Marc Savard, and Chris Pronger had done (collecting a paycheck for the duration of his contract, but the $$$ will not go against the cap).
I get what you're saying all over this thread, and I think much of the fan-speculation is silly too. But in this day and age, given how sensitive the entire sports world is becoming to concussions for very good reason, I'd say it's a good deal less outlandish to be concerned about Franzen's 10th concussion than any given person's disc issues in their back. Back issues are serious, no doubt, but they are not at the center of numerous lawsuits and major studies in the sports world like concussions currently are, again, for very good reason.
People may very well have an anti-Franzen bias around here that colors their thoughts, and earlier in the thread you might see that I asked if their was anything said officially on the matter of Franzen potentially being done, and when there was none, I completely dismissed it and left the thread. I popped in now and again just to see if there were any real updates and eventually did learn that this is his 10th concussion, which I was unaware of beforehand.
I personally have found Franzen to be a frustrating player as time's gone on, I'll fully admit that. I don't really miss him, but I don't really wish that he was gone either. I more or less stopped caring much one way or the other, because Franzen is who he is, an occasionally brilliant and occasionally lackluster forward. At least his cap hit is pretty cheap relative to today's market, so it's tough to complain too much. That's what I think.
That said, I read that this is his 10th concussion and I have to say I immediately started worrying about the guy. The reality of the matter is concussions are quite serious, and while he likely will be able to come back from this, there's going to be a part of me that's concerned for the guy's long term health. As frustrating as he can be as a player to some, and as underrated as he is considered to others, he's still a person who's had a lot of concussions, and that's just not a good thing to put it simply.
It's silly to be arguing about whether he should or shouldn't come back, let alone whether he will or won't. It's a waste of energy. If people want to waste energy, a better way to do it would be to simply express hope that whatever Franzen decides to do, he won't have any long-term issues from all of these concussions. At the end of the day, that's what really matters, and the rest is out of our hands anyways.
Just because concussions have been sensationalized by lawsuits and former enforcer suicides, doesn't take away from the severity of chronic spinal and shoulder injury. Nathan Horton is latest to have his career end early because of this issue.
My issue is the double standard.
The reaction to Zetterberg being out is "I hear it's his back again, I hope it's not bad"
The reaction to Franzen being out is "I don't expect to see him play ever again, he should seriously consider retirement"
There is a lot more going on there than just the injury.
Hey, I don't want to sound like I'm ragging on the guy, I think there are plenty people carrying that torch. What I would say, which is what was expected when he signed his contract, is that it would be way too much money towards the end of the deal. The guy will struggle to get back and stay on the ice and even if he is able to overcome the injuries and play 82 games a year, he's not going to start producing more, he's going to continue to decline, it's pretty close to fact without being so....it's simply what happens to professional athletes as they age. Very few guys stick around into their late 30s and beyond and continue to be effective, so it's not like I'm suggesting he'd be an outlier by not coming back and producing a lot of offense.
There are examples of guys that seem to defy the odds and continue to produce at older ages (Selanne and Jagr for example), but even with them, their production later in their career was still a far cry from their prime.
His contract was for a great cap hit when he signed it, and for more than a few years after, at his production. The contract was designed to benefit us in the beginning, not the end. I'm sure Holland and co fully expect/ed him to drop off some in his later years like all players do