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#2525620 Joe Thornton to the Wings?

Posted by number9 on 25 June 2014 - 12:44 AM

Thornton would help us for like one season. What if we don't win? Then we shipped out prospects for someone who got in nothing. Not worth it/dumb

#2525619 Detroit re-signs Gustavsson 1 yr $1.85 mill

Posted by number9 on 25 June 2014 - 12:27 AM


They want him to play more, and I know I would like to see that as well.  Bringing Mrazek up wouldn't change the starting goalie this year.  If they chose not to sign Gus, then the savings wouldn't be very much because Mrazek would get more as a result of being called up.  Now, if Detroit could save $2 million or more by promoting Mrazek, then I would be ok with it.  That isn't the case though.


Precisely. Howard is going to play the majority of this season no matter what. Mrazek playing only 20 competitive games is bad for his development and dumb for us as a franchise. But not only is it bad for his development, but I think we all know he would probably do well in those 20 games. Then his agent would have a huge bargaining point at his side. A bargaining point that could either get him an inflated contract with us, or take him to another team. The wise decision is to let him grow and develop in the minors and bring him up when we have no other option but that.

#2525614 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 11:56 PM


I'm getting the impression if Alfie gets healthy, wants to play, and there is cap space for him, he'll be back. I'm glad they aren't just jumping the gun and signing him and hoping for the best.


As far as other names you have mentioned, I think Weiss will have a big bounce back year.He seems very focused on conditioning this summer and if healthy he will be an important player. Hopefully Pasha can stay healthy. If the kids keep improving that will make things easier on him. I think Hank will have a big season now that he finally has his back fixed. Like Quincey said, it is the same type of surgery he has had, and health-wise he has been fine. The fact that Hank said he felt like a new man soon as he woke up from surgery is also very promising. I can see him having a big season without his back hindering him. 


The emergence of the kids will also help Mule a lot. With depth that can score, there is less pressure on him. As long as he can play responsible in his own end when he isn't scoring, no harm. A cold streak doesn't necessarily make him a liability.


Now for Helm. When you look at the injuries he has had, it was more bad luck than anything. Sure he is a player who will miss a few games here and there because of his style. But things like his back, sliced tendons, groin issues after trying to come back after barely playing for almost 2 years. Not the types of things players have to deal with regularly. I think he will be fine this year. Kronwall used to have the same issues. A lot of bad luck. Dekeyser had a couple unfortunate injuries himself. 


You must be drunk. Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, and Helm WILL play a combined 4 games and Weiss is a joke. Unless we sign Vanek, Gaborik, Niskanen, and Callahan we will go out in the first round AGAIN and we'll be no better than Florida and Buffalo.


Holland smokes too much Cleary to do anything even close to intelligent.


Oh, also need to buyout Franzen, trade for Weber, and somehow acquire Ekblad. Can you get that through your noggan? Or are you too busy wearing your rose tinted spectacles?

#2525612 Wings "in the mix" for Iginla

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 11:39 PM

Half of Holland's future core is still in the minors. He's going to continue to sign older gap players until they are all here in Detroit. He's not going to commit to anything huge in a trade or FA acquisition until he's done remaking his young core through his prospects. Holland hopes for a cup tomorrow, but plans for the cup 10 years from now. It's the nature of the beast and it's obvious. He doesn't care about getting Datsyuk and Zetterberg a cup, he cares about getting the Red Wings another cup. If it bothers you, you can bash him and whine like Crosby, but it won't change. I've decided to just get excited about our prospects, and hope (like Holland) that we can squeeze one more cup out of the Alfies of the world.


I'm all for big name acquisition fantasy's like Vanek or whoever, but I understand the huge financial/cap risk those players pose, and why Holland won't get involved unless he gets them for a steal. Iginla is someone who's going to sign a very short contract for an expensive, but not inflated cap hit. Which is perfect for team waiting for its youngens to develop.


Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Iginla

Nyquist - Weiss - Franzen

Tatar - Helm - Alfredsson

Miller - Sheahan - Abdelkader

Jurco, Glendening


is ridiculously deep even with the inevitable injuries and a possible crappy Weiss

#2525551 2014 NHL Awards Winners and Losers

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 07:38 PM

Cuba had a few too many cocktails before hand

#2525519 Wings "in the mix" for Iginla

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 05:02 PM


Also agreed.  Although I'd caution anyone against thinking would be likely on our team.  I'd be amazed if he put up 50 pts. with our anemic offense. 


But sure, on the right team, with the right roster, and the right system, vets can be a big help.  For those of us (like me) who are skeptical of signing more aging vets, I think the argument is that we're not the right team.  Teams full of high end talent in their primes can add around the edges with aging vets.  A team full of guys who are aging and injury prone probably shouldn't (is my argument). 


But they can all be best friends


I've stated before that Iginla on the top line is my preference (accompanied by a Franzen buyout and a hearty farewell to Alfie)


You're right, this is a good time and place to discuss buying out Franzen again

#2525487 Wings "in the mix" for Iginla

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 01:33 PM


Fair enough.  But you're being dismissive.  It's just as wrong to suggest age doesn't matter at all as to suggest that it's the only thing that matters.  Surely you'd agree that there is some downside to exclusively targeting past their prime vets, no?


Agreed, but the tendency around here is outrage over signing anyone even approaching the twilight of their career. Iginla contributed 61 pts last year, that's better than most players currently in their prime.

#2525474 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 12:55 PM

Is "The View" the one with totally hot Lisa Ling, or is it the one with totally unhot Rosie O'Donnell?


Most members of this forum should be on Dr. Phil though to deal with their anger and resentment issues

#2525464 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 11:39 AM

2 years ago when I first joined this fine forum I talked about we need to pick up O'Reilly during his holdout. Most thought I was crazy and that he wasn't worth it. Now everyone agrees he is a great player. Just think, we could have drafted him instead of Ferrero.......LOL 1 pick later.......
Those that think a bunch of our old always injured forwards are going to score a bunch of goals are smoking some good s***! Please pass it around! Datsyuk, Z, Weiss, Franzen, helm, now Alfie again, can't stay healthy. That is going to make it tough for them to score a bunch of goals. As of today-still June so things can still change, we are going to struggle offensively in the 14/15 season scoring. Injuries will happen. All those rookies that played so well last year are heading to the dreaded soph. season. There will be struggles. Which ones and how much? No idea. But just becasue player X score Y in half a season don't bet on it doubling by playing the whole year. If Sheahan and Jurco can both get to 75 games played and 15 G each, I will be happy. If tatar gets to 20 that is good. Same with Nyquist. The other teams have seen them and they will game plan for them now.

Why oh why did we not realize your infinite wisdom 2 years ago? Why?

#2525460 Hartnell to Columbus for Umberger + 4th in 2015

Posted by number9 on 24 June 2014 - 11:20 AM

Most lgw members morning routine.

Wake up, have coffee
Complain about franzen (honourable mention of hossa)
Take a shower
Complain about babs/Holland/being too soft
Complain about franzen
Complain more about franzen
Complain even more about franzen....

This is the song that never ends...

Na that's the routine of about 3 LGWers who apparently know better than professional hockey minds

#2525296 Hartnell to Columbus for Umberger + 4th in 2015

Posted by number9 on 23 June 2014 - 03:10 PM

Don't know if I'd want Hartnell on the books for another 5 seasons.  He's already slow as molasses and with his style of game, he's going to continue to decline at a decent rate.
I think it's more fair than people are making it out to be.

Yeah I actually think Philly won here. Maybe not this next year, but after that...

#2525215 Player Development - Patience pays off?

Posted by number9 on 23 June 2014 - 10:01 AM

We've had more vet contracts over the years so its been easier to sink players

#2525170 Player Development - Patience pays off?

Posted by number9 on 22 June 2014 - 10:22 PM

When you give an over-ripe player a shot at the NHL you know he's getting his best chance. He's had ample time to prepare. If he doesn't cut it, it wasn't meant to be anyway. Sinking players in the minors also gives you the best contracts. They will all be deflated bc they haven't proven anything at an NHL level either. Wings have known about this for years, and are still great because of it, despite picking low every year. Damn Nill for letting the word out!

#2524830 Brad Richards bought out by Rangers

Posted by number9 on 20 June 2014 - 11:42 AM

It's getting kind of ridiculous how many options at center there might be this year. Kesler, Spezza, B Richards, O'Rielly, Stastny, Legwand, J Thornton, Bolland, Grabovski, Ott, Roy, O Jokinen

#2524756 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by number9 on 20 June 2014 - 01:48 AM



He played 82 games, so of course he'd be among the team leaders in these categories. 


Doesn't mean he's a good or effective hitter.  He's a decent PK man, but our PK wasn't that good when it counted in the postseason.  


Highest PK time per game as well. Still has the best gva to tka ratio too. Only forwards who really did better in hits per game are Abdelkader, Tootoo, Helm and Jurco. So basically Miller is our best 4th liner checker at the moment. I won't claim he's a bigger hitter, but the kid grinds, is fast, and smart in the D zone. He's a great PK man.