I don't agree with calling out a player publicly whether it be in the NHL or AHL. I think there's better ways of lighting a fire under his ass like making him a healthy scartch for a game or two and let him battle for his spot. I think there's more of a chance of causing bad blood between him and the organization by calling him out. Anyway I'm not worried about his slow start, the kid is a stud with a bright future
Oh gawd, I can't wait to dig up this thread when this kid is Frazen 2.0
Calling him out like that is 1. Unnecessary and 2. Embarrassing guy came back after a broken leg and went into his first pro season. Heck I'd trade Nyquist, Tatar before trading Mantha guy has the size and skill to become a power forward.
I think you missed the part where he's softer than guys who are under 6ft. Tatar has way more tenacity than he does.
So you think Holland should trade away all of our vets, and a ton our our young guys, just for a CHANCE to land one of those top picks?
Look at last season, even with half our team hurt we still got in the playoffs. You cant guarantee yourself a top pick unless you just unload everyone. Plus, one player does not make or break a team. Look at Dallas with Seguin, or Edmonton with what seems to be all the top picks of the 2000's, you can have a top player and still suck. Tanking it is stupid because it guarantees nothing.
Orr - McDavid - Mcgrattan
McLaren - Eichel - Gadzic
How would that not be the best two forward lines ever???
Boston fired their gm and there's a very good chance they will fire their coach too. Just making the playoffs isn't good enough for them.
The penguins fired their gm and coach last year for underachieving and let's not forget they have won the cup more recently than us as well as making it past the second round more recently than us.
The Kings just won a cup last year so their situation isn't really comparable. They are allowed a free pass. But I bet if they miss the post season again next year there will be another gm and head coach vacancy.
The point is other franchises don't accept making the playoffs as good enough. We shouldn't either. Over half the teams make the playoffs. Just making it means you're little better than average.
We're 6 years removed now from a deep post season run. Think about where you were 6 years ago and how much has changed since then. It's a long time. And it's an eternity in sports.
Holland had made plenty of great moves yes. But he's also made plenty of bad ones also and he deserves a good amount of the blame for our post season failures since after all it's his job to run the team and everyone ultimately answered to him. Does that mean we fire him now? No. But the seat should start to be heating up at this point. You only get so many free passes.
Yup, just making it in isn't good enough for them... they'd rather miss completely
The point is, Cole would have been a great pickup 5-7 years ago. Zidlicky is past his "trade for" date. I'm seeing Tyler Seguin get traded to Dallas, I'm seeing James Neil go to Nashville, I'm seeing Kenny miss out on Burns a few years ago, not knowing he was even on the block, for example, not saying these players are perfect fits for the Wings, but other teams are managing to get it done. Now that we have an actual farm system and young players, trade a few picks.
Yeah? Who did you wanna give up to get those players? A lot of assets went the other way in all those trades
They said on the radio 97.1 Weiss was one of Babcock choices. So was Cleary
And that's why if he leaves for a different team where he has control over his roster it will be a disaster. There's a reason managers, who can make unbiased and unemotional decisions about personnel, exist. This team would be full of Clearys and Glendenings without Holland.
I disagree regarding Lidstrom. He was definitely one of the best defenseman of all time, which is why you're not going to be able to replace him with any one player. It requires examining the whole makeup of the team and in particular the blueline, and probably requires changing multiple parts, some even before Lids retired. Lidstrom eventually retiring was a pretty known event, plus or minus a couple years.
To me, Holland participating in the ridiculousness that was the Suter sweepstakes is more of a sign that he didn't have a good plan post-Lidstrom rather than he had one and it didn't work out. If your transition plan hinges on landing one or two of the absolute most sought after free agents, you're in trouble. I can't think of another time he involved the team in a bidding war like that.
Add to that Stuart's departure, which was also known event. Like I said overall Holland is a great GM, but this team is still dealing with the lack of an effective transition plan post-Lidstrom. He didn't get out front of it and ended up having to desperately chase free agents like many lesser GM's in the league.
He lost 3 of his top 4 d-men over the course of a year.
I think he deserves some props for keeping us competive through that.