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#2568612 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 07:37 PM

They are they guys in the middle of the pact. He already explained that.

 

Middle of the pack? Frk and Ehn? Explain that one.




#2568604 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 06:38 PM

You MIght be right about the waivers but I don't see them being interested in them

It'll have to be at least someone like frk jensen turgeon ehn ... Someone in the middle of the pact with some potential

 

Frk and Ehn really have like, like, like no value. How did you manage to come up with this group of players lol?




#2568599 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 06:15 PM

Yeah I still think you are reaching on the AA prediction. I don't see him becoming a top 6 NHL C. He could be a 3C or MAYBE 2C but more likely pans out as a 2/3 winger in the NHL.

 

I really only see Larkin and Sheahan as future top 6 C's and neither likely becomes a legit top line C like a Z or Dats. How many teams have won the cup without a premier 1C recently? None - you could argue Boston doesn't have one but they are a different beast. The only way to get a 1C is through the draft and getting lucky. I truly think we need to add one more legit C prospect to the pool to feel comfortable going forward. This is the draft to do it with how deep it is at the C position.

 

Either way, I don't think I will convince you and you won't change my mind - and thats okay - because at the end of the day you and I aren't the ones making the pick on draft day lol.  


I don't think any of those guys except for Larkin ends up a top 6 C at the NHL level. Its an impressive list nonetheless.

 

Larkin, AA, and Janmark are all doing very well and projected to be highend talents. Of course 1 or 2 might bust, but we really only need one anyway with the emergence of Sheahan.

 

The words also still out on at least 5 of those guys. Being that it's too early to tell what their likely projection is. We could end up with as many as 4 or 5 top 6 C hopefuls by this time next year.

 

Again, we really are fine up the middle. I'm hoping for some pure wingers myself. Hopefully snipers or gritty power forwards (we don't really have any of those)




#2568597 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 06:05 PM

Yeah I still think you are reaching on the AA prediction. I don't see him becoming a top 6 NHL C. He could be a 3C or MAYBE 2C but more likely pans out as a 2/3 winger in the NHL.

 

I really only see Larkin and Sheahan as future top 6 C's and neither likely becomes a legit top line C like a Z or Dats. How many teams have won the cup without a premier 1C recently? None - you could argue Boston doesn't have one but they are a different beast. The only way to get a 1C is through the draft and getting lucky. I truly think we need to add one more legit C prospect to the pool to feel comfortable going forward. This is the draft to do it with how deep it is at the C position.

 

Either way, I don't think I will convince you and you won't change my mind - and thats okay - because at the end of the day you and I aren't the ones making the pick on draft day lol.  


I don't think any of those guys except for Larkin ends up a top 6 C at the NHL level. Its an impressive list nonetheless.

 

AA is a beast dude. He's already getting way more hype than Sheahan ever did.




#2568594 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 06:02 PM

Of our 24 forward prospects at least half play or have played C in their careers. We are fine up the middle.

 

C

Larkin

Athanasiou

Nosek

Vahatalo

Ferraro

Janmark

Turgeon

Aubry

Ehn

Hudon

Kadeykin

HAMPUSSSSSSSSS MELENNNNNNNNNN

 

Notice that 6 of those players were obtained in last years draft (Nosek FA). The C issue has already been addressed.

 

I believe Nastasiuk and Campbell have played some C too, but I'm not positive.




#2568587 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 05:48 PM

LOL Nash originally traded Franson, along with 3rd liner Matt Lombardi, to TOR for Lebda and Robert Slaney (never played one NHL game).

 

Leafs did something right for once




#2568486 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 12:27 PM

We have 5, yes, but none aside from Mrazek have been all that good consistently. Coreau and mccollum have great numbers this year in the AHL, but Coreau had pedestrian numbers at best in the echl. Perry has terrible numbers from what I recall though I admit I didn't look it up, and Paterson is in what, his 5th year in the OHL? And still doesn't have even good numbers. We have prospects but not good ones.

And let's say both goalies get hurt again next year, or the year after. A 1-2 combination of McCollum/Coreau/Paterson scares me. Not that drafting a goalie now will change that, but after this year we won't have a goalie prospect that has the potential to be an NHL starter.

And saying we have 5 we don't need more is like if I were to tell you since we have 30 forward prospects we shouldn't draft any more forwards.

 

McCollum and Coreau have gotten a lot better and Paterson is really good. Been excited about him for a while. The only one I'm not happy with is Perry, and that's mostly cause I just don't know anything about him.

 

We haven't had this many young goaltenders in our system in a while. Remember when Joey Mac was the starter in GR? 




#2568483 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 12:17 PM

I said I would take him as a rental not longterm at the price it would cost which is what you said 5-5.5 for 5-6 years ... No Thanks

And no offence but just cause you say he's absolutely a 2nd or 3rd nhl defensemen doesn't mean is ... It's your opinion just like my opinion that he's nowhere near a number 2 or 3 ... More like 4-5 on a good team (my opinion)

I love these logics of how the leafs are giving up on franson because there the leafs ... If he's a number 2 they do everything in there power to keep him ... Leafs or not

He reminds me of a james wizniewski ... I recall a lot of people wanted him and he ended up going to Columbus for around 5 per for 5 years? He's not worth the contract and neither will franson , and he will end up on a team that will overpay and a team that has a hard time attracting free agents

If he's traded to the wings at the deadline I see him going with dekeyser on the 2nd pairing ...again personally I'm not willing to give him 5+ Longterm

 

That's pretty much what gritty O-dmen of their caliber go for these days




#2568462 2015 Draft

Posted by number9 on 05 February 2015 - 10:06 AM

Jared Coreau got AHL weekly hour last week... I am not worried about depth at goaltender, but I do agree about adding another during the draft.


We have Mrazek, McCollum, Coreau, Paterson, and Perry. 5 goalie prospects. We don't need more.


#2568392 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 04 February 2015 - 08:38 PM

OK, I'll be entirely honest and say Franson is better than Green, Yandle, and Myers.

 

Green: Injury history plus there's a reason he's regulated to the third pairing by the caps under a defensive minded coach (much like ours).

 

Yandle: Lefty and will still command a hefty trade return.

 

Myers: Sucks

 

Franson: Righty physical puck mover, exactly what we've been missing, and the asking price is cheap.

 

Or does the name Franzon cut to close to home for some of you?




#2568368 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 04 February 2015 - 06:54 PM

Even if you don't like him, he's beyond a steal for the current asking price.




#2568335 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 04 February 2015 - 04:50 PM

 
Ok?  Why would their free wheelingness be used as an excuse for why Franson scores, but overlooked when it becomes clear that nobody else on their team scores much?  If their freewheeling offense inflates his numbers, why doesn't it inflate anybody else's?
 
I'm not sure why everybody is trying to hard to make the guy out to be worse than he is.  He was a good offensive player with Nashville (a non freewheeling team) and he's a good offensive player with Toronto.  AND, not surprisingly, he's getting better with age. 
 
There are probably some reasons not to like his game, but suggesting he's not good offensively isn't one of them.


Everyone is just used to over-bashing guys named Franzon


#2568258 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 04 February 2015 - 11:56 AM

 
Well I read recently, on one of these threads, that his offense is in decline.  We should trade for Tyler Myers to fill in the gaps. 


Meijers gets blind sided a bit too much for me


#2568252 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 04 February 2015 - 11:40 AM

 
Because one offensive defenseman isn't enough?


You really consider Kronwall a stay at home guy? Never thought of him that way myself


#2568249 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by number9 on 04 February 2015 - 11:37 AM

 
Holland has made clear he doesn't want a depth signing so he's looking for a top four defenseman.  He's also made clear that he wants a puck mover and not a stay at home guy.  So whoever he gets is going to be a puck mover in the top four.  Now, given that Babs likes to pair one puck mover with one stay at home guy, the likelihood of pairing an acquired defenseman with Kronwall is small.  So chances are, it'll either be Quincey or Dekeyser who's bumped from the top four. 


Why do we need a puck mover when we already have Kronwall and Brendan Smith???