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#2536204 A Perfect fit for the Bruins...Ville Leino?

Posted by number9 on 14 September 2014 - 08:50 PM

Ovechkin is lazy, selfish and as one dimensional as they come. Mark my words the guy will be the next Kovalchuk


Hits like crazy. As dynamic as Crosby. Plays point on the PP.


I actually think he is one of the more multi-dimensional forwards in the league. He's been lazy on the back check lately, but that's really the only blemish on his record.


Kovalchuk was never the media and fan icon that Ovechkin is. I think Ovi stays in NA for longer than you think.

#2536175 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by number9 on 13 September 2014 - 10:38 PM

Unless of course Mrazek is the next Blaine Lacher Jim Carey (not the actor) or Andrew Raycroft.

An islander goalie comes to mind

Pretending prospects are sure things is a dangerous game

#2536128 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by number9 on 12 September 2014 - 10:28 PM


If those players all earn their spots (extremely unlikely), why should they not make the team? Callahan, Ferraro and others all have the same opportunity to prove their worth in the pre-season too. It's not like these are highly valued prospects the Wings would be giving up for nothing. They are marginal NHL players at best. I'm not writing them off, but they should get evaluated before the regular season and decisions should be based on merit. I'm not a huge fan of "send them down because you can" if those guys can help the Wings win now and into the future as well. 



uhhhh because the preseason is not the real NHL. Half a teams roster is AHL players or worse in the preseason.  Players that must clear waivers Ishould be given at least 5 to 10 games in real NHL matches before deciding the fate of possibly their entire career with the team...


Demanding Mantha and Jurco play on opening night is the definition of impatient fandom. They can and should wait 3 games, 5 games, or even 10 so the rest of team can be correctly evaluated.

#2536126 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by number9 on 12 September 2014 - 10:10 PM

I didn't suggest throwing away scraps as you put it in order to get a big trade , just said unless guys step up our only other way to make something happen would be through a big trade (Tatar,pulkkinen,1st rounder! you d ... Whatever)

And I didn't mention anything negative bout Callahan , I fact I wanted him here last season because he's the type of guy we don't really have on the team , just seeing all the players and spots and I just can't see him getting a spot unfortunetly

As you said though we'll see what happens at training camp


Starting Mantha, Jurco, Ouellet, Marchenko and so on on the starting roster, sends guys to waivers. That's throwing away scraps. Giving up players for nothing.

My Callahan comment was not meant to be directed at you personally

#2536123 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by number9 on 12 September 2014 - 09:43 PM

Well I think if were gonna contend again with hank and pav still here were gonna need some of our better younger prospects to help out , unless we pull off a big trade

Cleary miller Andersson are taking up 3 spots and I think we can do a better job in the back end


IDK who dnumber9 is, but I gotta say I like the guy!

A trade involving those guys or others like them would be awesome, but it's not gonna happen. No one wants to give up anything good for our scraps. Phasing those guys out and bring up the kids is not a one season/preseason process. They're going to be phased out throughout this season and the coming ones.


It's a brand new season. Ferraro Callahan Cleary and Kindl could all surprise us and come back better then ever. Well-liked guys like Tatar could suddenly disappoint. You just don't know. Ericsson surprised everyone. Hudler disappointed everyone. I think all our scraps deserve a fair shot to prove they're not what we have pigeon-holed them to be. If they don't do that I have no problem sending them down for a kid. Lets just be patient and honor the players who deserve a shot.


The sudden eagerness to throw Callahan to the wolves particularly irks me. Highly praised by LGW throughout last season for his goal scoring and toughness in GR, now suddenly hie' expendable. People have 2 minutes memories.

#2536108 Who should get cut/traded by game 1 of the season?

Posted by number9 on 12 September 2014 - 08:38 PM

What you'd like to see would involve sending to waivers/removing up to 5 different players. That's insane.

#2536099 2014 Prospects Tournament and Training Camp (Sept. 12-23)

Posted by number9 on 12 September 2014 - 07:59 PM

Mantha and Athanasiou living up to the hype. Niney likey

Who's taking all these penalties for the Wings?

#2536027 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 10:11 PM

it makes me laugh how such a big body like Kindl acts like his 5'9 on the ice but again I concure with krsmith I think what you see is what you get with him I too would rather look at kindl and lashoff as are number 7
Kronwall Smith
DD        Ericsson
Marchenko  Q
maybe even Sproul if he is better off in the preseason but again you cant predicted how they would be

I agree with u that u can't really predict, but that's also why I'm willing to be open minded about Kindl. Just one PO series ago he was solid for us. I'm not wiling to let last season taint his entire future for us just yet.

#2536023 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 09:09 PM

Can't you read? He's an amateur *finger.* he points at stuff, and touches things, and picks noses. Just not professionally.



BOS, I'm sure Frank and I both have a certain special finger we feel like showing you :w00t:

But in all seriousness, can we still get in on the Jeff Finger sweepstakes?

#2536016 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 08:20 PM

Lashoff is serviceable as a 6th/7th d-men on a team with a weak defense. I like his contract, but other than that he's quite literally a plug.


I'm willing to give Kindl one more chance just because of Ericsson. Everyone around here hated him and said there was no more room left to grow (including me), now look at him.


Lashoff has just never shown streaks of brilliance. Again, I like him as a 6-7 guy, but I don't think that's bringing enough to even worth mentioning. He's not offensively gifted. He's not fast. He's not physical. He plays ok defense. He's like Andersson. pluggy and expendable once his contract runs out.


Kindl I'm willing to roll the dice on one last time, but after this season all faith is gone.

#2535980 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 02:59 PM


This forum is going to be something regardless of what happens.


If Mantha plays 40 games and has 15 goals it won't be:


"Awesome, this kids the real deal and our future is secure. Way to go Holland and staff for drafting this guy!!!!"  


It will be: " f*** you Kenny for signing Cleary and Quincey and letting Hossa go and not giving me a team as tough as Calgary and for not signing Niskanen"


Some dudes on here have spent to much time building their opinions and reputations and dealing in absolutes. Whatever happens this year, people are goin to feel the need to spin it whatever way they need to in order to back-up their zealousness.


Truth. IDK why my expectations were so high. I should know by now.


Even if we were to win the cup this year, immediately afterwards it would be "This core is aging quickly, I predict hard times coming, Holland has failed to prepare us, he can't even get rid of Kindl, and Franzen sucks Hossa rules."

#2535975 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 02:36 PM

I have no doubt that Babcock and Holland chat now and then about potential player moves and Babcock provides input, etc.  However, beyond that, I have no idea how much influence Babcock actually has on the players that make it to the team at the end of the day.  He may have a lot of influence, he may have very little.  The fact of the matter is, no one on this site knows how much or how little influence he has either (unless you or someone you are close with is part of the GM's office).


Same could be said about final roster.  Typically the GM brings in the players and then it's the coaches job to pick the final roster from that overall group of players and then also make call up decisions when needed, etc.  The GM is obviously going to have some input in that process, but again, how little or how much is likely not known by most.


You can try and minimize my point all you want. Of course none of us really know the inner workings of the Red Wings organization. But to think that a GM doesn't ask his head coach what he wants, who he wants, and who he could do without, and that, that doesn't heavily influence the players he chases is kind of insane.


Obama might be at the head of the Military, but when there's a battle to be fought he doesn't just go buy some tanks and send them, he asks his general(s) what they need/want and acts accordingly.


Holland and all his scouts can sit down and agree that the team needs more 4th line fighter types... but if Babcock won't play a guy like that then there's no sense in signing one despite what you and your personnel tell yourselves.


It'd be like commissioning a sculptor to make a work of art for you, and then giving him paints and oils to work with. The guy might be a real good artist, but that piece is gonna suck.


If I'm Holland, Babs has a ton of sway in my personnel choices. Now his needs/wants may not be feasible due to availability of players, financial concerns, and my long-term vision for the team, but I'd do my best to cater to my coach within those limitations.


EDIT: Managment also consults Datsyuk and Zetterberg on players as well. Fischer mentioned recently that after training camp they're going to hear boths opinions on Mantha. Holland is not some insane puppeteer. There's a giant organization of guidance and opinions beneath him. 

#2535963 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by number9 on 11 September 2014 - 12:07 PM

Just wait for the first in-game injury. This forum is going to be something.

#2535904 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by number9 on 10 September 2014 - 09:37 PM


Thank you :) that's exactly my point. You may not agree with everything I have said, but your view on what some fans are saying, is the point I am trying to make.


A large chunk of Red Wings fans hate the fact they we are currently going through a re-build, and have a hard time accepting that we are not currently cup contenders. They look at everything Holland does under a microscope, and when he does something they do not agree with (ie. Cleary signing, Quincy signing, Legwand trade) they call for his head. While Babcock who overall people are happy with right now, may have the same opinions as Holland, but at the end of the day only gets a few people slightly disagreeing/mad at him, never the outrage that is currently being pointed at Holland, nor do I think he should. Babcock has done one heck of a job in Detroit, especially last year with all the injuries.


I fully realize that Holland is the GM, Babcock is the coach, and the roster is Holland's responsibility, but my point is that people are overly critical of Holland right now due to the re-build.


The only thing I disagree with you on is your verbiage of "makeshift/transitional/mediocre/insert your preferred term rosters and kept them competitive" as I look at what Holland has been doing a re-build, but one in where he is maintaining competitiveness (please don't mistaken competitiveness with contending) during it, rather then doing an Edmonton and getting rid of everyone. IMO a much smarter way to do it.


The problem I have is I think you're both grossly underestimating how much Babcock influences the roster. He's routinely expressed his desire to have Cleary on the team, he had words with Weiss before he gave his stamp of approval on signing him, etc. etc.


Ken and Babs have always expressed that they have a great working relationship and go to one another for input and advice. Which I assume means mostly Holland going to Babcock for opinions on players. To think that Babcock does not have heavy say on his roster comes off to me as a little naive. Holland very much had his own opinion, and his word is final, but his decisions are also very much influenced by what he's told by his scouts and coaches.

#2535801 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by number9 on 09 September 2014 - 11:33 AM


And saying so is an absolute, which in turn means you're Sith?  


uh oh plot hole