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#2522875 Rendering of Joe Louis Arena from NHL 15

Posted by number9 on 05 June 2014 - 12:06 PM

The bowl is way steeper

#2522733 Shero & Bylsma Fired

Posted by number9 on 04 June 2014 - 11:18 AM

He's the least biased of the broadcast crew, imo. What led you to the conclusion that Pierre is biased?

That fan girl squeal every time Sid hits the ice

#2522678 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by number9 on 03 June 2014 - 08:14 PM

I've given up on this thread. Besides LeftWinger most here are trolls.

#2522677 Adam Almquist says hes considering returning to Sweden to avoid AHL

Posted by number9 on 03 June 2014 - 08:12 PM

Putting pressure on the wings was the wrongggg idea. He had one good PRE season. Adios Almqvist.

#2522511 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by number9 on 02 June 2014 - 11:57 AM

Well...I've been watching hockey since 1970...I have a bit more than an inkling of hockey knowledge.  Franzen is the quintessential floater.   He doesn't offer much beyond his infrequent hot streaks and giving him top six minutes is a recipe for heartbreak.   He's a 230 lb forward that plays smaller than the 185 lb Tatar..  He has concussion issues to boot.  Buy him out now when you can and move on.


Well I've been watching hockey since 1917

#2522497 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by number9 on 02 June 2014 - 11:13 AM

Why bother number9? It's a lost cause... The people that actually watch hockey and have an inkling of knowledge of the game, know that Franzen is a much better hockey player than he gets credit for. He absolutely is a top 6 forward in the NHL. People hate on him so much because people have hated on him so much... if that makes any sense... Basically it's the thing to do. Why bother actually watching the game, because I swear most of you don't, "Franzen sucks", "no heart", "lazy", "mental health issues", "can't play a lick of defense", "doesn't know how to set up a play", "the only thing he can do moderately well is score and he only does that when he feels like it", blah, blah, blah, blah, blaaah...
I guarantee if you did a poll of the 30 GMs, 30 coaches, 300+ players, the TSN analysts, etc, etc, and asked the question, "Is Johan Franzen a top 6 forward in the NHL?" the majority (I would bet 90+%) would say "Yes". But because Richdg, DeGraa55, GoWings1905, Z Winged Dangler, and co think otherwise, he must really suck... I need to rethink this whole thing now... Maybe he really does suck...   :rolleyes:

Especially since he ignores every one of my counter points just like every troll in the world

#2522091 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by number9 on 29 May 2014 - 11:16 AM

Predates that, since you asked here is some reading:
Now there are many other news reports, blogs, opinions by the beat writers etc.... That can be listed. It is fact that Franzen has social anxiety disorder. It is also fact that when he was out in Nov/Dec it WAS NOT DO TO A CONCUSSION. That happened later. It is true that no one knows for sure what was wrong with Franzen. Even he admitted he was sure if it was sickness, injury, mental or whatever.....

Yes the story were he admitted it. Things like that don't go away. People learn to live with it, and from time to time fail and need to work on it again.
Yes people have talked about it with Franzen for years. hell last winter he was out, no one knew why-even he didn't. When asked if it was injury or sickness he answered "I don't know".

Did you even read those articles? They are about his "boyhood" social anxiety, not last year. In fact the first makes it sound like coming to Detroit helped him grow out of his childhood shyness. Malik also clearly states that he cannot confirm Franzens current mental state or if he missed time due to it, only that he had social anxiety as a kid.

Did you think we didn't or wouldn't read those links? They don't prove your point whatsoever.

Your stats were an absolute joke too, but we'll ignore that won't we DG...

LeftWinger, list 6 guys better than Franzen on each team.

#2521995 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by number9 on 28 May 2014 - 05:43 PM

Top 6? Ok just some random numbers from the 2013/14 season. Rankings are just among forwards.


139th in Goals

112th is assists

335th in games played

102th in TOI/G

110th in face off win %

122nd in points

221st in hits

245th in blocked shots

289th in takeaways


Those are top 6 numbers for you? Ok if you take the truly generous position that there are 180 top 6 forwards in the NHL-which of course is just silly, then maybe you could find some way to say Franzen is a top 6 forward.


If you're going to flash numbers at least get them right.


Tied for 133rd in goals

Tied for 108th in assists

Tied for 106th in FO win%

Tied for 121th in points

Tied for 241st in blocked shots

Tied for 286th in takeaways


Despite being at 335th in games played he put offensive numbers well within the 180 mark. His defensive numbers would probably be inside the 180 mark too if he had been healthy. These numbers paint the picture of a Top 3 forward since his offensive numbers would be inside the 90 mark had he played a full season. Isn't that just silly?


No he averages .61 points per game for his career-regular season numbers. But points is less important than goals, which is after all his job: scoring goals. In his 9 full seasons in the NHL he has 1 season over 30 goals and 3 more where he scored over 20. That leaves 5 seasons out of the 9 in his career he failed to score at least 20 goals. We know he doesn't hit, he doesn't play D, and it is 50-50 at best that you can call him a goal scorer. if not that, then what the hell is he getting paid to do? other than generate a lot of hate mail on the internet! LOL


Well he's tied for 75th in the league in average goals per game so I'd say yes you can call him a goal scorer. You might ask: Who else is tied for 75th with him? Evander Kane and Milan Lucic among others. What other goal scorers are below him? Jagr, Lecavalier, Mackinnon, Voracek, Gaborik, Eric Staal, Hartnell, Ladd, Jussi Jokinen, Dustin Brown, Eriksson, and more.


And at his sticker price he's a pretty good bargain too. I sure love being silly.

#2521959 If Renny goes to Florida, who replaces him?

Posted by number9 on 28 May 2014 - 11:58 AM

Renny is spare parts IMO

#2521955 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by number9 on 28 May 2014 - 11:45 AM

If there is an upgrade at forward available that makes sense, you definitely do it, but it shouldn't be anywhere close to a priority in the offseason. The main priority needs to be on the back end. The reason we were so average on offense last year is because of two things. First of all, we lost a crazy amount of man games up front to key players (Zetterberg (37), Datsyuk (37), Franzen (28), Nyquist (25) and Weiss (56)) That's a huge chunk of time to 5 of our top forwards. Secondly, our lack of quality puck movers on the back end also effected our offensive numbers. With a healthy group of forwards and an upgrade or two on the back end I think we will be right in the thick of things.

I swear if I see one NTC by ken this summer I will lose my freaking mind

#2521952 The Franzen Hate.

Posted by number9 on 28 May 2014 - 11:31 AM

Back to the Franzen hate! LOL
The other day, might have been over the weekend I saw a quote from Holland where he was talking about Mantha making the team. In the quote he said that Mantha only stays in Detroit if he proves he is top 6 worthy like guys named Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Nyquist, and Franzen. Think about that. Franzen as a top 6 forward? WTF?????? Go back and read through this thread, even those that defend Franzen agree that he should be on the 3rd line where he doesn't have to face the pressure. The fact that Holland considers a guy like Franzen a top 6 forward in the NHL is truly freightening! He is not a top 6 player, nor has he ever been one in his 9 year NHL career. It is thoughts and beliefs like this that have lead to the demise of the RW's. This is why we are now a sub .500 team-we only won 39 games this year!
Let me ask a classic what if question. If Franzen was bought out-which yes I agree isn't going to happen, what type of free agent contract do you think he would get from other NHL teams? If he decided to stay in NA and play-I think there is a better than 50-50 chance he would go home, I can't see him getting anymore than a 1 year deal for maybe 3 million. 34 year old sub 20 goal scorers with multiple concussions are not going to get big time money or term. yet we are blessed to have him under contract for 6 more years!

Franzen is a top 6 forward. And it's not just Holland saying that, it's his scouts, coaches, and other hockey brains as well. Unless you think he irrationally ignores his advisors. You, Degrass, and Leftwinger, seem to be the only ones here that are so blindingly hateful of him that you support a buyout. Get real.

#2521301 Blues re-sign Elliott, announce Miller won't be back

Posted by number9 on 20 May 2014 - 11:12 PM

The Wings should have no Millers

#2521106 Spezza?

Posted by number9 on 19 May 2014 - 12:25 AM

When Nash was being moved, nearly everyone on this very forum was hoping we got him. I was not one of those however. At the time of the trade he was and is a great goal scorer. The Rangers gave far less for him than we offered-which is the point I was making. For whatever the reasons a lot of players in all sports fail in NY.
ET as for 9 calling you a fool, don't worry. He just likes to troll. If a post was up about the sun rising in the East, he was disagree and claim it was in the West.

"ET" I hope ur getting the same laugh out of this that I am lol

#2521105 2014 Memorial Cup

Posted by number9 on 19 May 2014 - 12:21 AM

I just think comparing mantha nyquist and others potential(high) to bertuzzi(low) is kind of insulting. They're not in the same sentence. IMO

Yan Golubovsky had pretty high potential too. Then our 10th round pick from that year turned out to be way better and the best net front forward in the league. I think it's insulting to write off a player just bc u have some perceived idea that his potential is lower bc he's not Daigle hyped.

#2521084 Spezza?

Posted by number9 on 18 May 2014 - 06:24 PM

I was drunk and agreeable lol