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#2534853 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by number9 on 23 August 2014 - 09:21 PM

As was datsyuk. They were "small soft euros" and they turned into two of the best nil players of their time.

Other teams get lucky with one guy on their team drafted late that turned into a star. The wings however have stocked the shelves with great talents I'n late rounds and won a cup. We have nyquist, Tatar, and possibly others coming up now that "we just got lucky with" and we had filppula and hudler before too. We are very good at late round drafts and we don't have to rank to win. Its the one thing I can't knock Holland for.

That being said I think he shouldn't have been extended still.

 

But like I asked earlier in this thread, then who do you want?

 

There's not going to be any good GMs on the chopping block this year. Maybe Poile if things go bad? I really doubt Illitch is going to hire some upstart nobody from somewhere else, and there's no one in our organization that can fill Holland's shoes at the moment. If Nill or Yzerman were still around this would be a different story. In that sense maybe we should be blame Mr. I, not Holland, for not letting Holland go sooner and promoting one of those guys.

 

People are mad we're not letting him walk, but forget that we have to replace him with someone. And GM of  the Red Wings are HUGE shoes to fill.




#2534775 Sharks enter training camp with no C or A's

Posted by number9 on 22 August 2014 - 10:14 AM

If this is their way of trying to get him to waive his ntc, it's a dick move. Don't want him as captain want to t rade him ? ! Don't re-sign him and don't give him a ntc then simple as that.

 

If Wilson really believes Marleau and Thornton are the only problem there, he is out of his mind. This team has lost against the stanley cup winner and for whatever reason couldn't get the job done after leading 3:0. I mean it's hard to see the Wings direction but in terms of San Jose I don't see a direction, they aren't rebuilding/tooling and they haven't signed anybody of notice maybe it's a hybrid build.

 

If I where Thornton I'd be pissed and tell them about it, they can't t rade him he will get his money no matter what.

 

I very much think they're trying a rebuild on the fly. The only difference is we are already a few years into ours, and they are just starting theirs this year. Also, we are going the classy route and letting our core retire here. They are not. Albeit, of their vet core (Thornton, Marleau, Boyle) only Marleau is a career Shark and that group never brought the team a cup, unlike our Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kronwall core.

 

So they let Boyle go, and are now probably trying to trade Thornton, so they can pass the torch to the new core of Pavelski, Couture, and Vlasic. This last season seemed to have been their old groups last chance before they were ready to commit to a retool.




#2534749 Trial date set in Steve Moore’s lawsuit against Todd Bertuzzi

Posted by number9 on 21 August 2014 - 11:56 PM

IMO this was always a freak accident. Sure Bertuzzi shouldn't have thrown the cheap shot, but there are plenty of on-par or worse cheap shots that have been thrown in the NHL. The only difference is this one happened to end with the unthinkable. The result was certainly not Bertuzzi's intention, just like no player intends to end a career when they go airborne on a hit, or throw an elbow, or slam a head into the boards, or uppercut an opponents face. The intent is always to harm, but never this. The problem is 1/somelargenumber end up like this. That's the reality of fast contact sports that condones fighting. I hope that moore can get what he needs, but I also don't think that Bertuzzi should be burned at the stake for his actions. This has been hashed out a million times, but It's late and I've been drinking.




#2534747 Sharks enter training camp with no C or A's

Posted by number9 on 21 August 2014 - 11:45 PM

I think it's a good idea. They been under performing for awhile(I believe before even joe was there). So this is a way to light a fire under some peoples asses and maybe find a better leader.


I have nothing against how as he was one of the bed set up guys in te league. But maybe he isn't captain material? I don't know.

 

IMO, and this is coming from a spoiled Red Wing standpoint, once you give a guy a C you mark him as that for his career. You don't take it back and you don't trade him (Unless things go horribly wrong). If you do either of those you probably shouldn't have given that guy a C in the first place, or you should have just rolled with 3 A's. I personally think they should have just let him keep it until they trade him. If I was him I'd be pissed if my C was stripped from me and handed to Pavelski near the end of my career, and as they continue to expect the best from me.




#2534699 Datsyuk or Fedorov?

Posted by number9 on 21 August 2014 - 03:40 PM

1 Fed
2 yes
3 no, I don't think he puts up good enough numbers but if they look at his defense then I'd say yes but I thought HOF is mostly about numbers.

 

Larionov, Neely, and Bure would like to say hello.

 

Datsyuk will most likely have more pts than Forsberg by the end of his career.




#2534692 The Pavel Datsyuk Show

Posted by number9 on 21 August 2014 - 02:45 PM

Just watched all 69 minutes and 14 seconds of this at work. I'll blame you SOW when I'm unemployed.




#2534644 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 20 August 2014 - 05:36 PM

That's my point though. Why is the vets who can't play any more(cleary Bert Sammy) or guys who struggle like Quincey get the tie breaker?

Why is it the young kids have to prove themselves first whereas the vets don't. Tatar was sat for what 8 games? Why? Nyquist was in the minors. Why? That kind of proves the poit I was making.

 

Because vets can't go to the minors... and their veterans of the team, they get seniority and thus win ties. It's no longer a tie and rightly so Babs has said certain vets have lost their jobs.

 

No, the point you were trying to make was that Cleary would slot in on the 1st line with Dats and Z over all our other good players... not that Cleary was taking a fourth line spot from Callahan or somebody. It's a completely different point and argument.




#2534632 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 20 August 2014 - 02:31 PM

where dd he start the year at?

 

He finished the 2012-13 season playing on the 2nd line, and played great for us in the playoffs that year. We had everyone reason to think he would be given top 6 chances to start the season last year. 

 

Then he played himself into a position lower than Drew Miller and was rightly demoted for it.

 

There's zero reason to believe he'll be gifted 1st line minutes this year to start the season. Only way he's getting back there is by earning that spot again, which is doubtful at his age.




#2534611 Zetterberg Foundation fundraiser

Posted by number9 on 20 August 2014 - 10:50 AM

It's an event for the wealthy, not you or me.

 

Yes, we don't want riff-raff like you two getting in.




#2534610 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 20 August 2014 - 10:44 AM

Here's an "interesting" take on projected lines as part of the nhl.com 30-in-30: 

 

 

http://www.nhl.com/i...vid=DL|NHL|home

 

Add Alfredsson and the correct spelling of Weiss's first name and I can jive with it.




#2534562 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 19 August 2014 - 02:09 PM

if Callahan is that type of player and turns out to be even better, then he will have a hard time clearing waivers. He will be snatched up, probably by Nill or Yzerman, and we will lose him for the sake of Cleary. This is why I hate Holland and why I commented in the 4 year extension thread my dislike for the extension.


Why don't you wait till that actually happens b4 u jump to conclusions and down Hollands throat. If we lose Callahan to waivers I will be mighty upset as well, but for all we know at this point he makes the team and Cleary doesn't.


#2534531 Lines Thread

Posted by number9 on 18 August 2014 - 08:58 PM

This is what I see facing Boston for Game 1

 

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abdelkader

Nyquist-Weiss-Franzen

Tatar-Sheahan-Alfredsson

Miller-Helm-Cleary

Glendening/Andersson

 

Kronwall-Ericsson

DeKeyser-Quincey

Smith-Kindl/Lashoff/Marchenko

 

Pretty, eh.

 

you're pretty much spot on I think. Except Marchenko has to go down to get under the roster limits.




#2534530 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by number9 on 18 August 2014 - 08:56 PM

Losing Matthias has had zero impact. He's not good.

 

He made the NHL and we didn't re-sign Bertuzzi. I wasn't commenting on Matthias as player, but on the trade being an insignificant one for us.

 

Pre cap we were. Now were not and the team is on a steady decline. We also use to sign notable free agents.

It was typically nyquist Tatar or mantha as the starting price from what I heard and yes if that's what it took only one of those three plus different prospects it should've been done(more so Tatar or nyquist over mantha IMO). But it would depend on the player were recieving and contract status etx etx

 

Yup. And precap worlds are not the same as post cap world bud. Spending is a whole lot more conservative now. You can't compare the teams actions now to their actions then. Those teams operated under different rules.

 

And we haven't been on the decline since our trading ended either. Our trading culture ended with Lang and the lockout in 04, and that was coming out of 1st and 2nd round exits in 03 and 04. That continued till 06 and ended in 09. We improved just fine and won a cup without significant trading or selling the prospect pool, in fact it was prospects we had developed who helped contribute to that cup.




#2534522 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by number9 on 18 August 2014 - 07:48 PM

Elite was the wrong word but top line or second line is what I meant. And that's be guys like Ryan spezza Kessler and the list for son. These kinds of guys are traded every year and we used to be trading for them, now were not.

 

When and who are you thinking about???

 

2008 = Stuart

 

2007 = Bertuzzi

 

Other than those two we have zero other significant trades post lockout. And Bertuzzi left after only 18 games with us, so that trade actually hurt us considering we lost Matthias in it and he didn't re-sign. A sort of Legwand Jarnkrok scenario.

 

So essentially we have added one significant piece via trade in the 8 seasons of the cap world. So no, we didn't used to be trading for those guys and suddenly now are not. 




#2534502 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by number9 on 18 August 2014 - 03:27 PM

 

Ehrhoff, Niskanen are a big deal because they would have fixed an ever increasing hole since Lidas left.

 

Holland and some fans need to realize the time where players would come here for less are over. The Wings nowadays are just one of the teams asking for their service and if the money isn't comparable or hence better they won't sign. Overpayment and taking risks are part of a  GMs job, UFA is also known as overpayment day but guess what ? I would have given Suter, Parise even 15 years if it means we are getting to see another cup for Mr. I, Pasha and Z after they've done so much for this former TOP destination in the NHL.

 

Whats the point of having capsapce if the top guys aren't hitting UFA anymore or you aren't going to use it t o your  advantage ? Add to that it's not like the capspace has been used wisely this off-season either, overpayment for 2 players and third on the cusp of getting re-signed which doesn't leave a lot for a local hero (Danny D) is that smart cap management ? I don't think so.

 

Also Holland didn't take a risks and still lost a trades by a landslide (Poilé absolutely schooled him) so losing a big trade is much better than getting schooled by another gm, as did Yzerman two years ago..

 

As for McDavid the competition is fierce and tough you need to outtank: Buffalo, Florida, Winnipeg, Edmonton, New York, Calgary and maybe even Phoenix but keep in mind the second pick is also a great one Eichel will be a star in this league too.

 

There is about 0% chance we pick in the top 5, and a very small chance that we even pick in the top 10... but keep dreaming