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#2623911 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2015 - 09:23 PM

I'm sure your heart is bleeding for the future of Johan and the rest of the Franzen family.  I mean, sometimes you have to save people from themselves. 

 

It seems pretty clear he wants to play.  It seems a little less clear, but still reasonably clear, that he'll be allowed to try.  And it seems mostly clear that he'll make this team better.  So I honestly don't see what the problem is.  Why not get on board the bandwagon and wish him luck, for all the good agonizing over it will do you?

 

I'm not trying to save Franzen from himself.  Obviously it's Mule's decision. It's between him and the Red Wings organization.  I don't think anyone has argued otherwise.  

 

As for speculating on his health, we're talking about a guy who's had at least 5 concussions and will have taken half a year to come back from the last one.   No one is saying he'll be a vegetable after another hit.  He could play out his career and be fine or he could take a puck to the head in practice and suffer post concussion syndrome for the rest of his life without ever playing another game.  No one knows. That's kinda the point.

 

But he is clearly at higher risk than most NHL players.   To me it's not exactly a bold stance to be concerned about the future of his career after his concussion history.

 

Which is why I don't get why people expressing concern is so upsetting.  People shouldn't criticize Franzen as a player, and now when they express concern for him that's not okay either?  What exactly is ok to say about Mule?

 

You joke about people thinking they know better than Franzen how his health is, but is that any more ridiculous than thinking you can tell people's true motives for expressing concern, and that they're faking it?


Your quotes are more manipulated than Kip's, though. they're not what Franzen is currently or recently saying.

 

Franzen "couldn't get out of bed" a quite a while ago. He's said he never thought he wouldn't return and said he thought he'd play in round 2. 

 

He's not cleared yet, but has there been an earlier time to be cleared? If he said he'd be ready for round 2, I think adding a full summer of recouping time makes it pretty likely he'll clear. He's been training and skating without set backs (or reported setbacks, at least). GM says they expect him to be ready at the beginning of camp. Everything points to him playing the beginning of the season so I don't think people are ignore the facts by including him in rosters.

 

I like the Monty Python references, though. She turned me into a newt!!!...................I got better.

 

Honestly it's more that I botched the Python reference than anything.   I should've had Franzen saying the lines I didn't put in quotes.  But my (hopefully) clearer thoughts are above.




#2623905 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2015 - 08:23 PM

Anybody remember that old guy in Monty Pythons Holy Grail who keeps assuring his son he's fine, but the son's adament that the geezer will be "stone dead in a minute"? That's how I'm beginning to see this Franzen thing. Half the folks around here seem more sure of the peril than franzen, his doctors, or the organization.

"I'd probably have player if we had beaten Tampa."

"No, no. Your career and life are in jeopardy."

" I'm practicing again."

"Wrong, you're minutes away from being a vegetable."

 

Anybody remember that guy in Monty Python who had his limbs hacked off but kept insisting it was a flesh wound? Half the folks around here seem awful certain he's not at risk for permanent damage as a result of his multiple concussions.

 

"I didn't get out of bed for a month" 

 

Can't wait to get you back in the lineup Mule.

 

"I'm not medically cleared yet." 

 

I'm thinking you'll play on the second line. 

 

"I've had at least 5 documented concussions.  The last two being less than a year apart" 

 

Should be good for 50ish points.  

 

 

Straw men are fun.




#2623901 Franzen back on ice

Posted by kipwinger on 26 August 2015 - 05:51 PM

Anybody remember that old guy in Monty Pythons Holy Grail who keeps assuring his son he's fine, but the son's adament that the geezer will be "stone dead in a minute"? That's how I'm beginning to see this Franzen thing. Half the folks around here seem more sure of the peril than franzen, his doctors, or the organization.

"I'd probably have player if we had beaten Tampa."

"No, no. Your career and life are in jeopardy."

" I'm practicing again."

"Wrong, you're minutes away from being a vegetable."


#2623895 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2015 - 02:05 PM

I didn't see anybody talking about "quality of life" when Yzerman could barely skate (or walk).  I'd imagine that affected his ability to play with his kids, or hell, even get out of bed.  Yet he was gutsy, team first, leader for hanging on long past his prime, even as his contract, production, and presence became increasingly prohibitive.  His best seasons in the latter years were only as good as what Franzen is doing now, mostly for more money. 

 

I had considered that regarding Yzerman and other players willingly sacrificing their body but to me it's different when it's your brain. 

 

With your knee there's so much more that's known about what your quality of life will be and what the treatment options will be, like a knee replacement.  With CTE and post concussion syndrome it's literally your entire world that could be affected.  

 

I'd take chronic knee pain any day over potentially years of migraines, memory loss, noise and light sensitivity, depression, nausea, and personality changes. 

 

I can't speak for others but for me it's truly not about wanting Franzen off the team.  It's more about me remembering these guys are people with lives and not just hockey players I root for and/or criticize.  In the craziness that comes with fandom, it's easy for me to forget that sometimes.




#2623934 Dan Cleary re-signing still possible?

Posted by Helmethead on 27 August 2015 - 10:08 AM

Mister Cleary oh the time has come
And you know that you're the only one to say, you'll play
Where you going whatcha lookin for?
You know those goals you scored can not be scored no more by you. It's true
And you'll need aspirin
If you play you might
Your knees just ain't that right
You'll be in the press box tonight

Aspiriiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....


#2623821 Franzen back on ice

Posted by barabbas16 on 24 August 2015 - 09:15 PM

Does that qualify for "master baiter" status?

Sorry, had to go for the low hanging fruit there.


He's a decent baiter. His cousin Mose, though...


#2623807 Franzen back on ice

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 24 August 2015 - 07:08 PM

I don't think chronic back problems lead to brain damage lol. 
 
Plus I think a lot of us are talking about possibility of future injury since the last one he was out for 6 months. I still stand my position that he should have hung em up. But hockey players can just be so stubborn :P 
 
But I agree with you, Franzen would be an asset. This is something I realized about 2 seasons ago when our scoring wasn't very good after we lost Lidstrom and Zberg and Datsyuk started declining. Every bit counts for this team now. 

I would never want a situation where leg wand Nyquist and Franzen are our teams first line again, but when they had to, they carried this effin teams offense, and Franzen was the main reason for that. He was amazing.


#2623780 Adidas Gets NHL Jersey Deal

Posted by FireCaptain on 24 August 2015 - 01:05 AM

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Adidas owns Reebok.

I did not know that; now I know that.




#2623633 Z and Emma expecting

Posted by 55fan on 20 August 2015 - 06:32 PM

If Love gets teased, he's only a year younger than Douglas Kronwall.  He can just have his bigger buddy Kronwall the bullies against their lockers.




#2623659 Franzen back on ice

Posted by Euro_Twins on 21 August 2015 - 04:31 AM

...but no, he will play, take a roster spot from a more deserving player, we will lose said player to waivers then Franzen will go back on LTIR shortly after Dats returns and we lose another player to waivers. But that's ok, when 2008 Franzen gets back this year, we won't miss ANY player that may be lost for free, not even that 14th forward Pulkkinen...
 
But ya, Franzen is healthy and will be on the opening day roster....yippee.
 
just remember my words when I said that he will cause us to lose players for the next 5 years just so he can "try" to play hockey....but he is so totally worth it and we won't miss ANY player lost...right?


If someone picks up andersson off waivers I won't pose any sleep


#2623562 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by barabbas16 on 19 August 2015 - 03:14 PM

It shouldn't take being a Maple Leaf.  Everyone should already hate Patrick Kane.




#2623424 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by Dabura on 18 August 2015 - 02:49 PM

Tatar  Datsyuk  Sheahan

Zetterberg  E. Staal  Pulkkinen

Franzen  Richards  Nyquist

Abdelkader  Glendening  Helm

 

Kronwall  Marchenko

DeKeyser  Green

Ericsson  Jensen

 

Mrazek

Howard

 

I cheated.




#2623393 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by rick zombo on 18 August 2015 - 11:39 AM

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abby

Tatar-Richards-Franzen

Nyquist-Sheahan-Jurco

Helm-Glendening-Miller

 

Ferraro-Pulkkinen

 

Kronwall-E

Green-Dekeyser

Quincey-Kindl

Smith

 

Howard

Mrazek

 

I was about to post this exact roster.




#2623392 What's your roster lines ?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 August 2015 - 11:37 AM

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Abby

Tatar-Richards-Franzen

Nyquist-Sheahan-Jurco

Helm-Glendening-Miller

 

Ferraro-Pulkkinen

 

Kronwall-E

Green-Dekeyser

Quincey-Kindl

Smith

 

Howard

Mrazek




#2623379 Adidas Gets NHL Jersey Deal

Posted by frankgrimes on 18 August 2015 - 05:26 AM

Why can't teams negotiate their own deals ? You know ask some of these companies to provide an acceptable concept and choose the one that suits the winged wheel best. If that's Adidas so be it but if Nike has a better one why not choose them ?

 

Personally I've always thought the more annoying an ad is the less likely I'll buy their product. Yes I know who that stupid Ge...o company is but thanks to their stupid annoying eyes I'd never ever choose their service. Same goes for that car insurance company - no freaking way. Can't wait till NHL players will look like moving billboards like in Europe.