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#2684019 Mrazek avoids arbitration... signs 2 year deal

Posted by HockeytownRules19 on 27 July 2016 - 10:04 AM

Mrazek has signed a two year deal. $3.85 and $4.15

 

Very respectable deal!

 




#2683972 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 26 July 2016 - 03:15 PM

Darren Helm third line center is solid, but overpaid by close to a million a year. Darren Helm scoring line winger sucks.


#2683955 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by NerveDamage on 26 July 2016 - 11:33 AM

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#2683945 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by marcaractac on 26 July 2016 - 10:10 AM

I'm not going to moan about it, but it is more than I was thinking he is worth, but exactly what I expected he'd get.  Someone above mentioned that this is the going rate for a 2nd pairing guy, but I'm not sure that's the case....I think there is 15 or so teams in the league that have either no guys or only 1 D man making more than $5M...some have 2, less have 3.  

 

I always seem to be surprised at the length and the $ amounts of the deals that Kenny puts together, I guess it's a bit of a risk he normally takes....some work out really well and others don't.  DD is still young enough that the length won't be an issue and I guess Kenny is hoping the deal will look better towards the end of the deal vs today.

 

Gotta imagine a lot of these second pairing dmen making under 5 mil are probably on a contract signed when they had a lot of RFA years left. Complete speculation of course, but this was the deal to prevent him from going UFA next summer. He'd have made at least 5 mil had he hit the open market next summer. 




#2683941 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by marcaractac on 26 July 2016 - 10:05 AM

No one here yet... a lot of backlash on Twitter though...

 

Unfortunately a large portion of the Red Wings fanbase have become insufferable. There is literally nothing to complain about with this deal at all. 5 million per season for a dman of his calibre coming into his prime is as ideal as it gets. Some ***** at the term, but he'll be only 32 when the deal is up. I see no issue.  




#2683900 Red Wings All-Bust Roster

Posted by GoalieManPat on 25 July 2016 - 11:03 PM

Curtis Joseph

 

What are you takling about? In his two years here during the playoffs he had a GAA of 1.75 and a save % of .928. Top multi year playoff numbers for any Wings goalie since his time here. Not to mention he handled the Hasek s***show of 03 pretty darn well.




#2683898 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 25 July 2016 - 10:57 PM

Either you aren't reading, or chosing not to. I've stated my point a million times to you. Literally almost all of these posts have been directed at you, if  you still aren't getting it then I can't spell it out any better. My entire point has been about usage and ice time for players on the team. 

I don't mind having him if he wasn't treated like a savior defensive forward. I don't hate the guy at all. I hate how he's used. I also don't like how he's labelled as a great defensive forward when he's clearly not. 

 

I present all these bad numbers of Glendening. But is that his fault? No. That's a coaching issue. When you put a player in a position to fail, that's on you as a coach. The difference between Babcock and Blashill is that Babcock used Glendening sparingly and in the right situations.

 

Blashill for whatever reason decided to take it up 3 or 4 notches and use the hell out of him last season. 

 

 

 

 

The top two overusage issues on this team are:

 

1. Henrik Zetterberg

2. Luke Glendening 

 

 

We went from being a team that would outshoot opponents to a team that was consistently outshot last year and struggled to hang on to the puck. How is this not an issue for people? Getting outshot is not the first step to winning games. This is basic hockey. How many games did San Jose get outshot by Pittsburgh by wide margins in the cup finals last year and lost? All of them.

 

 

Our team would be able to score more if our team wasn't being consistently outshot.

 

And more shooting starts from giving Tatar, Nyquist and other scorers getting more ice time. Guess who has more ice time between Glendening and Tatar.

 

 

 

You're complaining about players not scoring more than 50 points but the said players aren't even given enough ice time to begin with. 

 

Tatar, Nyquist's icetime went down from Babcock to Blashill's coaching.




#2683752 Brad Richards Retires

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 24 July 2016 - 03:35 PM

 

I don't know about that.  He scored 90+ points twice.  Exactly what Datsyuk did.  Neither ever topped 100 pts. in a season.  He won a Conn Smythe AND a Selke, so it's not like he was a non playoff performer or a one dimensional scorer.  Datyuk was definitely flashier, but in terms of his on ice contributions I'm not sure he ever did anything substantially greater than Richards did. 

 

Datsyuk was regarded as the best two-way center in the game for several seasons.  I don't remember Richards ever being looked at similarly. I think you could build a team around a prime Datsyuk as your number one center.  I wouldn't build a team around a prime Richards. 




#2683639 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 22 July 2016 - 01:15 PM

I dont think anyone would care that much if Jurco or Pulk got dealt for peanuts to be honest.

Both of their hypes have been GREATLY dminished

 

I would absolutely care. These are good young players. Their trade value/"hype" has been "GREATLY diminished" because the Wings are run by assholes.




#2683619 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 22 July 2016 - 09:16 AM

The only way I'd be down with Streit would be if we got rid of Ericsson or Howard. He's not worth Jurco or any of the younger players.


#2683693 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 01:55 PM

Again just because he doesn't generate shots doesn't mean he isn't good defensively. Wings defensive zone style is to sit back and allow outside shots and get into lanes. If Glendening had great possession numbers the way he is utilized he'd be Zetterberg in his prime. Giving up a lot of shots doesn't mean you're not doing your job defensively. To say Glendening isn't good defensively is to go against every knowledgeable coach he's ever had

You can really see who on this board goes to Winging it in Mowtown... As soon as you realize those people on that site are nothing but fans you become humbled and realize you're not more knowledgeable than NHL coaches and managers. I'm not going to just cast off all advanced analytics but the data is so skewed on a team to team basis. If we were a Stanley cup contender this data would be alarming. This is a bad hockey team and the data reflects that more so than a single player. What a strange coincidence, every player that isn't used defensively has outstanding numbers and every defensive player has terrible ones. I guess that can only mean those guys are trash and Jurco and smith are elite. If you ran your team based off these stats you wouldn't have a good team

Lol. First it's not WIIM. It's quite clear you have decided to brush away any fact given here and run the same narrative OVER AND OVER again. The original article came from Mlive that Krsmith posted. 

 

http://www.mlive.com...gs - MLive.com)

 

Second, when all things are equal I showed you a graph of top 15 tough usage forwards in OTHER teams and still in denial. Cool. Seriously if you can't come up with a good argument and keep going on about "well I don't believe numbers" blah blah blah then that's fine. If you have nothing to show for your argument then this conversation is useless. I'm giving you basic stats and you're still stuck on anti-advanced stats narrative.

 

Basic simple, goals against, shots against, ice time. 




#2683691 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 23 July 2016 - 01:23 PM

He's used like a premier shut down forward on this team. Probably one of the most utilized shut down centers in the league. For him to have glowing stats the way he was used he'd have to be the best defensive forward in the league and a star player. Glendening has tough assignments night in night out. For his possession numbers to be great he'd have to be outplaying top line players every night and therefore be a superstar. He plays the tough minutes so Z and co don't have to and last I checked our defensive game was one of the only respectable parts to our game last year

Literally the wings were a team that was bad at everything but defensively were decent but we blame our defensive forwards all off season
 

This is starting to become one of the most used and incorrect arguments for Glendening. The whole "well he plays tough minutes that's why his numbers are bad".

 

Let me show you other players in the league who also play so called "tough minutes". The title of this graph is a dead give away btw. 

 

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Take a look. Out of 15 players in the league who are subject to "tough minutes" Glendening ranks amongst the bottom at shot generation. What's his excuse? There is no excuse. He's just not a good shutdown forward. I'm moving on from this narrative that Luke Glendening is a good defensive forward.

 

He simply isn't. Kruger, Desjardins, Watson, Nystrom. Majority of the people on that list have better shot attempts than Glendening and similar defensive zone starts. And before anyone says, "it's because our coaches prefer to play safe". That excuse doesn't work when you look at other defensive forward on our team. 

 

This guy ranks bottom in shots against when short handed, ranks bottom in GOALS AGAINST when short handed. Ranks towards bottom shot generation amongst other players in the league who have just as much defensive zone starts as him.

 

I think I'd rather us move on from using Glendening for this role and move onto using Sheahan and Helm. Or like I said earlier, give Frans Nielsen the defensive shutdown role just as Zetterberg was in from 2006-2013.

 

If people want to ride on the "Well Luke Glendening works hard and Holland, Babcock and Blashill all praised him so he must be good" narrative then by all means. But even the simplest stats, eyeball tests and obviously advanced stats are racked against this argument. 

 

Anyways no point. 5 more years. Hopefully rookie coach learns from his mistakes sooner rather than later. 

 

The top two overusage issues on this team are:

 

1. Henrik Zetterberg

2. Luke Glendening 




#2683661 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 22 July 2016 - 05:45 PM

I don't mind having him if he wasn't treated like a savior defensive forward. I don't hate the guy at all. I hate how he's used. I also don't like how he's labelled as a great defensive forward when he's clearly not. 

 

I present all these bad numbers of Glendening. But is that his fault? No. That's a coaching issue. When you put a player in a position to fail, that's on you as a coach. The difference between Babcock and Blashill is that Babcock used Glendening sparingly and in the right situations.

 

Blashill for whatever reason decided to take it up 3 or 4 notches and use the hell out of him last season. Something Babcock was too smart to do. One thing Babcock was good at was masking his players weaknesses. Blashill has a lot to learn in that regard. His player usage is definitely poorer. He's got to stick to his own philosophy and step away from Babcockian hockey. 




#2683655 Glendening signs 4-year, $1.8m AAV extension

Posted by kickazz on 22 July 2016 - 05:13 PM

Lol you think that's bad. Take a look at this. He's one of the worst penalty killers in the league. This isn't even advanced stats btw. This is just simple numbers put on a graph. It's basically showing all the penalty killers from 2007-2016. It's showing how many shots different penalty killers allow per 60 minutes of penalty killing time. Just take a look at Glendening on the graph. He allows 100 shots per 60 minutes of penalty kill time. I feel bad for Howard and Mrazek. Take a look at where Datsyuk and Zetterberg on the graph lol. They only allowed about 50 shots per 60 minutes. It also shows that Glendening is one of the worst penalty killers when it comes to goals against on the PK. 

 

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#2683701 Fixing this mess....

Posted by kliq on 23 July 2016 - 03:27 PM

Not true at all. Right now we are going to have about 24 million in cap space after we resign our RFA's. Yes that is in a perfect world. But the point remains we have a good amount of cap room. Sing Schenn for say 5 million per, trade for or sign a #1 Dman for 8 million per year, that only comes to 13 million. Still have room to add more pieces to the F group and a vet backup G. We have 7 roster spots that could be open and need to be filled after moving out guys like Tatar, Nyquist, Smith, Sproul, Jensen, Howard, Andersson, etc....

All numbers are based on what generalfanger.com has posted.

 

I couldn't help but think of this back and forth when Schenn signed today with Phoenix for 2 years at 2.25 total (1.25 caphit). Signing him for 5mil per year would have been a MASSIVE over-payment.