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#2380681 Nyquist thoughts

Posted by Nyquistfan14 on 05 April 2013 - 09:10 AM

I dunno about you guys but does anyone wanna just go pure skill in the top six for just a game to see what happens?

Nyquist- z- franzen
Fil- pav- brunner

I just wanna see what would happen


#2380239 Fear of the East?

Posted by JPT on 04 April 2013 - 01:59 PM

I've seen quite a few posts referencing how we will be in trouble next year moving to the Eastern Conference and playing some tough, physical teams. I was skeptical and wanted to see how we've stacked up in the recent past. Now I know that these stats were with #5 on the blue line but its not like he made us all that physical so here goes.I also included out record against the existing NE division

 

2011-2012 season: 10-7-1 against the East, 4-2 against the NE

2010-2011 season : 12-4-2 against the East, 6-0 against the NE

2009-2010 season: 9-6-3 against the East, 4-2 against the NE

 

Just for kicks against the big bad Bruins:

 

 

November 3, 2009 2-0 W
February 11, 2011 6-1 W
February 13, 2011 4-2 W
November 25, 2011 3-2 W SO
 
I know past success is not a prediction of the future but I think people's fears playing in the East are overblown. I think a lot of people think of the team as "soft" and its true that the Wings don't hit like other teams and aren't as physical...but they can still win!
 
Moral of the story, no matter what conference, everyone always needs a big, physical scoring winger. We aren't getting one so we go to war with what we have.



#2380224 Going forward with what we have

Posted by evilzyme on 04 April 2013 - 01:35 PM

Well, I guess that's it, then.  The rebuild is upon us.

 

I can't say I'm happy with it, but it is what it is.

 

I'm extremely frustrated with Holland's choice to stand pat, but I can also begin to understand.  He wants to build this team again.  We entered the twilight of this franchise's success in 2009 and now it's finally over.

 

We're committed to youth.  Our farm system is extremely boom-or-bust, but it's all we have.  Or are we?  We still employ the likes of Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.  Three contracts that could be used on young talent.  But no.

 

So, what do we do going forward?  I'll start with right this second and go into the beginning of next season.  I'll touch slightly on the draft and free agency.  I don't know what the market will look like come "Opening Day" and I'm not in-tune enough with the world of hockey prospects to really make a sensible draft list.

 

I'm doing this operating under the assumption that we make the playoffs.  Missing the playoffs wouldn't change much as far as core needs and tasks, anyways.

 

Well, here we go.

 

- Begin contract talks with Filpulla.  DO NOT go in with a "sign-or-let-walk" attitude.  If his demands are unreasonable (I would consider pretty much what he's making now to be reasonable, given his production), be prepared to move his rights at the Draft.

 

- Finish Howard's extension.  While he is prone to inconsistency and lets in soft goals on occasion, he's the best we have.  He's probably worth around 4-5 million a season.  He's playing well right now and seems to have put last year's injury behind him. Where the hell is the inconsistencies? You must be meaning over-worked. Jimmy is the centerpiece of consistency, and has been one of the few wings to be considered consistent this season. I have to disagree with your statement, "He's playing well" he's playing on his head right now. 

 

- Go into the playoffs and do what you're going to do.  Allow our current rookies to show what they can do in the playoffs. Sure, use all of our rookies and ice the Griffins, i'm sure they'll work their way to the cup instead of veteran's who have done the dance before. You need a perfect influx of youth and veteran leadership. Talented youth won't get you far, look at Edmonton and their previous years. They add #1 overall's to their roster 3 years in a row and still struggle. Luckily, they're finally pulling something together before they drafted for the 4th year.

 

- When all is said and done, go to work.  It's time to trim the fat.  Use cap-compliance buyouts on Samuelsson and Bertuzzi.  Try and move Colaiacovo at the Draft, if possible. Bertuzzi should not get bought out unless his injury calls for him to retire. Why do you think Pavel likes Abby on his line? He can replace Bert and play that role. Bert and Pasha produce together, and work together very nicely. Sammy shouldn't have been brought in but what can we do.

 

- This is the big one: dangle Franzen at the Draft.  By no means am I saying to absolutely move him for whatever someone shoves under your nose.  I'm saying to dangle him.  See what you can get.  If you find an offer that you can't refuse, take it.  He's aging, inconsistent, soft, and doesn't use his size.  He's not a player that will perform well in the East. As much as we hate Franzen, you will not replace his point production for his cap hit. I just can't agree with this.

 

- As far as draft strategy, size and scoring need to be the focus.  The East is a totally different monster from the West.  We're going to get eaten alive in the first couple of seasons.  Find a sniping power-forward who plays with an edge and a big, strong, right-handed defenseman early on.  Fill out the draft with some good two-way guys.  We need all the effort at both ends of the rink we can get. We are getting bigger, and we have bigger guys in the pipeline. The East is not as big as everyone thinks. The Wings have been playing the Eastern conference since day one, we just play the Western conference a lot more. Go look at our records against the "big bad teams" we will be matching against next season, you'll be surprised to know we're well over .500 on every single team. Smaller players do exist in the East, it's not a myth, and they produce just fine.

 

- After the Draft and everything settles down until the re-sign period, sit down and have a REAL heart-to-heart with Datsyuk.  I don't care what BS the media spews about him wanting to leave after this contract.  I want to hear it from his mouth.  If he does indeed intend to leave, be prepared to make him available at the deadline and move him.  Losing Datsyuk for nothing is absolutely unacceptable. Holland already said that he hasn't had talks with Pasha, but plans on having them with him and his agent before Pavel leaves for Russia during the off-season. Oh by the way, you don't move Pasha, you just don't.

 

- Seriously re-evaluate your position on Brendan Smith.  Let's be honest with ourselves.  He hasn't been very good since his first few games after being called up.  He's been invisible far too often.  He makes a ton of mistakes and, quite frankly, isn't contributing offensively.  This should affect your demands from him contractually when it's time to re-sign him.  If he doesn't like it...tough. Wowzer, so we're going to give Kindl all the time in the world to get his chances, but in the first full season of Brendan Smith you want to write him off? Okay. 

 

- Now comes the re-sign period.  Brunner needs to be the top priority.  He shows a desire to go to the dirty scoring areas, and that translates to the East.  While he is undersized, totally un-physical and hard to watch defensively, he scores goals.  We can't afford to let that go.  Get him for a reasonable raise (3 million should be fine, at the very most).  Next, Kindl and Smith need new contracts.  Neither realistically command a significant raise.  2.5-3 million each should be just fine.  If not, I wouldn't go beyond 4 for either.

 

-Free-agency comes next.  Waive bye-bye to Cleary and White.  Completely unnecessary plugs who aren't much use anymore.  Make Gustavsson available, and take whatever you can get for him.  In what little we ask of him to do, he has been downright awful.  Mrazek needs the experience.  He deserves a chance to prove he can hold down the backup role.  See if Miller can be re-signed for about what he's making now.  If not, it's not a catastrophe to let him walk. Mrazek is easily 2-3 years before even backing up Jimmy Howard at this level of play. He simply isn't ready to be considered a back-up right now. Let Monster continue out his contract. 

 

- Same strategy should apply to free agency as was applied to the draft.  We won't have a whole lot of money to spend, so we're probably not going to be very active.  We're screwed cap-wise with so many free agents.  I'm going to do the rest of this assuming we aren't active.

 

- As we enter training camp, we now have 7 defenseman (Kronwall, Lashoff, Quincey, Smith, DeKeyser, Kindl and Ericsson), so there aren't many open spots.  None of our defense prospects are close to being ready.  I can see Lashoff being the 7th defenseman during the season. Lashoff being the 7th next season? Babcock is already giving him big minutes for a rookie and putting him out there in key chances. He has absolute trust in him, and treasures his play. I really can't see him sitting 7th, especially if he isn't THIS season.

 

- Forward is a little trickier.  Put Abdelkader in the bottom-6 where he belongs and keep him there.  He is not, and never will be, a goal-scorer.  There are three openings now that Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson are gone.  Tatar should be brought up full-time.  No one else is really NHL-ready.  Try to find two young forwards with size and decent offensive skill on the market.  I can see us going with a lineup looking like this: Abdelkader WOULD be in the bottom 6 if Bert wasn't hurt. He simply is one of the few that can mimic the play of Bert and provide Pasha the same Bert does. Tatar has shown us a lot, but he certainly needs to be better defensively. I would bring him up this year but it isn't my choice. You want to call no-one else NHL ready but you state right after this that you want Jarnkrok to be a call-up next season? He needs atleast a full season with the Griffs or an OUTSTANDING summer to break the lineup next year. Sproul called up? He just is getting called up to the Griffins. Sproul is not going to be ready next season. Even if Pulk joins the Griffs next year, I won't see him being ready until the following year. 

 

Filpulla - Datsyuk - Franzen

Tatar - Zetterberg - Brunner

Nyquist - Andersson - Abdelkader

Miller/Eaves - Emmerton - Tootoo

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - DeKeyser

Kindl - Quincey

Lashoff

 

Howard

Mrazek

 

- Be prepared to call-up Jarnkrok, Pulkinnen and Sproul during the season if injuries hit.  They aren"t ready for full-time duty, but could hold down a spot for us.

 

And that's about it right through the start of the season.  Essentially, it's about cleaning up the mess from last offseason and getting serious about installing a youth movement to me.

 

I do NOT want to go the way of Calgary, Buffalo, and Dallas.  Middling in the middle while you try to rebuild on the fly DOES NOT WORK.  We can get back on the road to winning consistently if we cut the over-loyal BS and start managing in the 21st century. If you had faith in your GM, and saw the past history, he would rather keep this team in mediocre playoff contention than allow us to just rebuild for the next 10 years. Come... on. 

 

I tried hitting on everything, but this whole post just makes me want to implode.



Who knows if those offers were even competitive?  If your roster is the same as when you entered the deadline, you stood pat.  He could've upped the ante, but he didn't.  He decided to stick with what he had.  It's neither here nor there.  The deadline is over and there's no sense bitching about it anymore.

 

Literally nowhere in this did I once say he stood pat during the summer.

 

In addition to all this, this has nothing to do what the original post.

 

If they weren't competitive they wouldn't have continued talks. Holland just wouldn't extend further when they took the price too high. The Rangers wanted Brunner apart of a package for Gaborik. Pominville would've costed us Mrazek, Jarnkrok, a 1st, and 2nd; LGW would've IMPLODED if that had gone down. Iggy didn't want to come to us. What else did you want him to get? Another depth player? I'm sorry but Holland is 100% right when he says, my injuried players are better than any depth player that was on the market. WHY trade away a prospect, pick, ANYTHING when you already have a player of that skill within your system, they're just injured? 

 

We need to seriously take a step back and see the smartness in not pulling the trigger on these dumb trades. So what if Holland didn't do s*** this trade deadline, he was smart for not doing so. That rebuild you don't want us to experience... we would've been experiencing if we wanted to start trading away picks and prospects at this point. At this point and time, Wings fans just want a new toy, some change, something. You know it's bad when you consider fighting for a playoff spot for the first time within 22 years, "a horrible thing." MY GOD HOW COULD HOLLAND ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? FRONT OFFICE. UNACCEPTABLE CONTINUED SUCCESS. 



Oh and final note: we have enough of these "I hate my life and the Red Wings life" threads. Stop making separate threads to simply ***** about something. This easily could've been included within another "If****** hate Holland and this team" threads.



/rant




#2372490 3/22 GDT: Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 1, Abs nets 1st career Hat Trick

Posted by Guest on 23 March 2013 - 02:06 AM

Another stinker for Javerage Howard. This guy has let in 21 goals over his past 11 games. Awful!

 

:P




#2371312 Datsyuk NHL '94 Style

Posted by Hockey13Playa on 20 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

This video is so awesome!!!

For anyone who cares/interested here's the link from NHL's website with a few more "NHL '94" videos. http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

*Roenick haters beware*


#2370905 long 3 day break.......

Posted by Guest on 18 March 2013 - 08:36 PM

No offense, but you never sound like you're enjoying it very much.




#2369932 3/15 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Oilers 2 (OT)

Posted by Nightfall on 16 March 2013 - 09:17 AM

Considering this team passes like a Kia on the Autobahn this year, I’d say our standards here are pretty low. Hence “great pass by Franzen”. 

 

This.  There are 5 people on the team that could deliver a pass like that and only 3-4 of them could actually catch the pass and put it in.  Franzen + Dats = Goal!

 

BTW, Dats played with Franzen today and finally broke out of his slumber.  Everyone here wanted to see Dats with someone besides Cleary and Abdelkader.  He was with Franzen for probably half of his shifts.




#2369905 3/15 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Oilers 2 (OT)

Posted by Guest on 16 March 2013 - 02:09 AM

Howard = average... in Bizarro World.




#2366708 Ducks re-sign Getzlaf 8 year-contract

Posted by StormJH1 on 08 March 2013 - 03:34 PM

The only thing that surprises me is how many people thought the lockout would translate to lower cap hits. I thought he could get around $10M as a UFA so this seems about right.

I almost spontaneously combuted when I read that AAC value.  I agree that there are players who could get $10 million per year, but the idea that Getzlaf is an upper-end trend-setter for that trend is borderline absurd.  This guy had 11 goals in 82 games last year.  His playmaking is unquestionably elite, but his numbers are basically Saku Koivu. 

 

I know the guy won a Cup, but you can't contribute that kind of money to a guy.  As was said above, how do you Corey Perry or Bobby Ryan for LESS than that now?  I'm pretty sure anyone who had to guess who would be the most productive out of those 3 in the next 8 years would have Getzlaf 3rd in that discussion (I would, anyway).




#2361438 Gus Nyquist...

Posted by DSM on 26 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

We are over-ripening him instead of letting him rip it up with Datsyuk. Good strategy.

 

He's not "over ripening". It's only his second season in GR, if the Red Wings thought he would be "ripping it up with Datsyuk" he would be on the team right now.




#2361179 Wings sign (D) Brian Lashoff to 3-year, $2.175m extension

Posted by LeftWinger on 25 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

Not shocked by this at all! He was given the chance and took it! Way to go Brian, hold on tight!

 

 

 

Kindl's future? Just what I have been saying...trade bait. Won't get too much in return, but if someone offers a 3rd rounder, I'll take it!




#2359474 Mursak on waivers

Posted by Jedi on 22 February 2013 - 02:16 PM

George Malik put it in a rather "matter-of-fact"ly manner earlier...  At this moment, would you rather have Mursak's potential, Tatar's hands, or Andersson's size?  Seems that one of those 3 has to be odd man out, so it's a move that doesn't eliminate something the team needs right now.




#2359425 Mursak on waivers

Posted by dat's sick on 22 February 2013 - 12:45 PM

I like his speed and the potential is there, but I'm really not sure he'll ever become a good NHL player. He simply hasn't been strong enough on the puck from what I've seen. He's gotten some chances but never impressed.

Doubt he'll clear waivers but I don't think anyone would have traded anything more than say, a conditional 7th for him. Wonder if an injured team like Ottawa will take a chance on him.


#2357511 Howard = Average

Posted by Nev on 19 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

This thread is just wrong, plain wrong.  Howard, while not being necessarily elite, is a very solid goaltender.  I just think the Wings need to find a competent backup to spell him more often and give him rest.  I firmly believe the gets worn out playing as much as he does.  People seem to forget that he was putting up Vezina type numbers before getting the injury bug last season.

 

Being a Detroit 'tender is one of the most thankless jobs in all of Detroit sports and it's really obnoxious.  It couldn't possibly be the defense a lot of nights.

 

Very good point.  We were playing great up until the point he and Dats got injured.  When they came back, they weren't the same players, and we weren't the same team.

 

I also remember being 0-3 down to the Sharks in the playoffs, and being lucky to have nil, and Jimmy (and Pav) were the only players showing up.




#2357262 No need to panic

Posted by chrisdetroit on 18 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

Ah yes, the classic "It's not Holland's fault!" excuse.  Like there were no better d-men to be had via trade or free agency that were better than Quincey or Colieakmsxkndnhdsvo.  Poor old Holland.  I mean Lids and Stuart leaving were a complete surprise to him.  As you said though, at least Brunner has worked out so far, which again is because of a scout and not through Holland's trade prowess or draft genius.  Holland's real good at finding pieces that nobody really wants and hoping they turn it around in Detroit, but he hasn't competed against other teams for a top talent and won in a long time, and it's become painfully obvious.

 

esteef

If he went chasing the flavor of the month every year like San Jose does you'd be happy.  BUT look at San Jose, they have depleated their prospects to the point where their prosepect are LAST in the NHL.  But hey, they always seem to land the hot commodity.  A hell of a price to pay.  Mortgage the future for the flavor of the month..  LOL

 

We could probably get a top D man for Nyquist, Tartar, Smith, etc.

 

No thanks.