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#2427412 is anyone happy right now?

Posted by Shaman on 05 July 2013 - 03:50 PM

Because we do so much of that! passing on Ryan for example. Nyquist and tatar will be lucky to score as many goals per season COMBINED as what Ryan does. he is a proven 30-35 goal per year guy.


Vinny LeCav to expensive. Signs with Philly for 4.5 million per year. Weiss sign with us for 4.9 million per year. over the last 4 years Vinny has produced 205 points in the regular season and Weiss produced 170. We are paying more money for LESS PRODUCTION!


Alfie-signs for 5.5 million. Clarkson signs for 5.2 million. Who is the better bet to score 30 goals in 2013/14? How about 14/15? 15/16? Again, more money for less production!


But next year we have a ton of money available. True. To spend on what? more over 35 forwards? That is our recent history. Pass on the big names-the few that make it and blow our money on nothing.

Clarkson scored 30 goals once. Cheechoo once scored 56 goals, one season doesn't prove anything. Clarkson was extremely overpaid for a guy who is a 2nd-3rd line tweener. 

#2427202 Filppula to Tampa 5 yr $5 million

Posted by frankgrimes on 05 July 2013 - 02:17 PM

Thanks for everything Filps, good luck in Tampa

#2426698 Brunner Contract Talks

Posted by Travis on 05 July 2013 - 12:00 PM

I agree that Weiss has more points... but he's pretty injury prone... Both of these guys are underacheivers however, Flip already knows the system... Weiss needs a sniper, and Brunner would have been that guy, but word is, he's gone and we filled Brunner's spot with a 40 year old.


With the exception of last season he's played at least 74 games a year since being a full time NHLer. Injury prone he is not.

#2424784 Report: Red Wings out on Lecavalier - signs with Philly 5@4.5 per

Posted by Euro_Twins on 02 July 2013 - 03:21 PM

He may be worth $5m, that's true. But he is already getting paid 2m from the buyout. He is in NO WAY worth $7m. The only reason Detroit even talked with him was because they thought he would take a discount due to his buyout money.

I'd be ok with paying him 5 million for 3 years

#2423101 Blackhawks Letter of Appreciation

Posted by fat guy in a maltby jersey on 28 June 2013 - 12:52 PM

trying too hard.

#2421522 Hockey turning into Baseball

Posted by Sabaton617 on 23 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

Less games=less revenue.  Won't happen.

#2419268 2013 Offseason Thread

Posted by Jesusberg on 11 June 2013 - 04:16 PM

First off, the cap hit recapture thing is complete garbage. It's the league's issue that they allowed those contracts, and now GM's following the rules are being penalized for finding loopholes int he league's shoddy system.

Secondly, you're bending numbers so out of proportion that I don't even know how to respond. Just because you average out numbers, and crunch them into different time periods doesn't mean you have the cap hits and salary right. Franzen would never make 7.1 million per year... ever. You can't just bend numbers from different players, because that's assuming every single player with similar production, and every GM in the league are the exact same. They're not. Each team is different too, by the way.

Franzen was signed to his current deal, because at the time, Holland was taking advantage of a loophole in the CBA. The bottom line is, at this very moment, Franzen's production is solid for the amount of cap hit and salary he is taking up. The cap recapture rule is horse s***. Had the league just dealt with this properly, Franzen's hit would be coming off the books, and it'd be a non-issue. It's not Franzen's fault, it's not Holland's fault... it's the NHL's mismanagement and backpedaling.

#2419269 2013 Offseason Thread

Posted by wingsfan4795 on 11 June 2013 - 04:19 PM

Yes, on shorter term contracts though...if Franzen were on a 5 year deal, he'd be topping $8M a season for his (lack of) production.  The only reason he is at $3.9M is because of the 11 years.  If all those other guys were also on 11 year contract, they'd be in the $3M's as well.  There is nothing valuable about Franzen's contract, because we are stuck with him for the next 7 years....
Lets look at James Neal, currently making $5M per season.  Similar numbers, he's up and down has actually scored 40 before, but he averages in the mid 20's.  He signed a 6yr $30M contract.  Franzen singed an 11 year $43M contract...who has the better value, Franzen cost us $13M more...
Lets see what Franzen would be making if he had signed a 6yr deal....oh geez, $7.1M per season.  Now what about Neal's $30M on an 11 year contract? $2.7M per.  Again, there is no value to Franzen contract. Period. I'd rather have Neal at $30M tens times over Franzen at $43M...
So who is more valuable? Franzen's 28 goals at $7.1M on a 6 year deal or Neal's $5M on a 6 year deal?  Franzen's $3.9M on an 11 year deal or Neal's $2.7M on an 11 year deal?  Franzen's $43M or Neal's $30M?  All three ways, Franzen is a waste of money...

What you said made absolutely no sense. If Neal signed an 11 year contract, it would be for a hell of a lot more than 30 mill. If franzen signed a 5 year contract, it would be for a hell of a lot less than 43 mill.

Once Nepal's 5 years are up, he'll sign another contract. You realize that right? Over the course of 11 years, he will make a lot more than franzen

#2419245 Cap might be worse than expected.

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

In defence of MajSheppard, comments were made where it seemed like guys read a few lines and commented back without reading jack-f***-all.  I agree with the sentiment that Goose, Smith and Brunner won't make as much as projected in the OP and Kindl may be around 2.5-2.8, but I'm also not gonna be a condescending **** about it.  The OP was well constructed and written and aside from some indlated salaries, give the guy some credit for a well thought out post.  The main idea is that without buying out Sammy, which is the most realistic option and letting a couple guys walk like Flip and such, we won't even be in talks with guys like Horton, Clarkson, Ryder or even Bickell.  And there's not many roster spots left and we want Tatar up and Jurco may be fighting for someone's spot soon too by the looks of it.  Personally, I'd let Flip go, try to sign Horton and go to town with some quality GR boys.


I did read the post and he said that these are high end realistic raises...they are not.  If he would have just said high-end salaries, he wouldn't have gotten any negative feedback, at least not from me, but his entire post, while an informative and nice read, was based on his notion that the cap may be worse for us than once thought, and he based that on unrealistic raises for our UFA/RFA's...


anyhow, I did not know about the sub-$3M buyout rule, that is unfortunate, that means we are stuck with Bertuzzi taking up a valuable roster spot.  I am not worried about his cap hit, it's the roster spot I covet.  Why I certainly hope Sammy gets the buyout, nobody else seems to be a candidate for the buyout.  I can't see Holland using one on a defender, there isn't really anyone who is that ready to step in and take that spot unless he plans on acquiring someone via trade as a top 2 guy...anything can happen, but I if he were to want to get rid of Big E or Q, they would be very tradable assets, at least for a nice draft pick...


So if a buyout is used, I guess we will be looking at Sammy in order to open a roster spot up.  Let Fil and Cleary walk then go with the kids...


...and in all honesty, if Fil walks, I am betting he becomes a Duck.  Especially if Selanne signs one more season. Just a hunch.

#2415757 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by Vladifan on 29 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

I am very sad and feeling deflated and it'll last for awhile.  But I feel horrible and empty for those guys on the ice who played their hearts and their asses off, especially in the 3rd period.  And fought tooth and nail, through injuries, to get to THE SEVENTH GAME WITH THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD.  They played like I knew they could in the third period; like they knew they could.  They were there for each other, like a team, just like the good ol' days and it was beautiful to behold.


But those of us who are still nit-picking, still pointing fingers, still raging, like somehow THEY let you down....What the hell is that about?  Get f****** real.  It is not about you or me.  It's about our team.


Anyway, I'm outta here.  I'll be back later when I calm down too.  Have a great summer and please - all of you take care of yourselves.

#2415505 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by vladdy16 on 29 May 2013 - 09:49 PM



Sent from my litterbox while screwing the Hawks.

#2415197 WCSF Game 7 GDT: Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 2 OT (CHI wins series, 4-3)

Posted by derblaueClaus on 29 May 2013 - 08:45 PM

Visiting team trailing one behind in an elimination game after the second period....reminds me of something. ;)

#2413854 WCSF Game 6 GDT- Blackhawks 4 @ Red Wings 3, - (Series tied 3-3)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 27 May 2013 - 10:37 PM

I tried being positive here once, for a week or so, but got several complaints and wasn't good at it in general.  

I believe in you, dude. Change is hard.

#2413838 WCSF Game 6 GDT- Blackhawks 4 @ Red Wings 3, - (Series tied 3-3)

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

You have one more game to make me a believer Franzen...let's show up for this one, eh?

#2411250 WCSF Game 5 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Blackhawks 4, (DET leads series 3-2)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 25 May 2013 - 03:12 PM