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There is NO WAY I would want Steve "The Turtle'" Ott wearing a Wings jersey. No thank you. I don't care what intangibles he brings or how hungry he is for a Cup, I would never accept it. Dallas Drake was one thing, but he was an original Detroit draft pick and spent a lot of time in Northern Michigan, and Detroit was also the BIGGEST bunch of ******* I had ever seen on a North American hockey rink the season before, so it was easier for me accept him. But Ott is a piece excrement!

If we beat the Ducks tonight, it will really hurt their playoff push and by the deadline if they are seemingly out of it, I think Kenny should take a run at Selanne. IMO Selanne is the best bet at a missing piece to help us win a cup this year. Like Nick, he is still the best player on his team this season (even at his age) and we all know how clutch Selanne is.

First off, the OP's suggested trades are beyond ridiculous. I might take Semin for Tatar and second-rounder, because he is right-handed shooter, but?

But as to Selanne, didn't Anaheim's GM say he was untouchable? But he is a righty, and this team desperately needs a right-handed shooter. I'm telling you. So I would not scoff at him.

And what would be even better is if they actually won a few of them. But at least they're trying.

I miss Kocur.

Bobby Ryan would NOT command a lot steeper price than Carter. Carter is 6.2 next year, Bobby Ryan is 5.5..Unless Bobby Ryan gets a hatty in the next 30 games, rest assured, Carter's pricetag is bigger. As the saying goes, One bad apple does spoil the bunch and Carter is a selffish prima donna who is not a team guy. Detroit does not subscribe to the bullshart that Carter brings.
Maybe YOU need to watch another sport!

I'm taking about what Detroit would have to give up, not salary. I bet you hated the idea of bringing in Chelios, Drake and Berttuzzi, too, huh? I'm not sure that they fit the "squeaky clean" image that Detroit seems to demand??? Goodness gracious, I didn't know that the Red Wings were trying to adhere to the morals of the church of latter day saints, I thought they were in the business of winning cups? I guess adding a 40 goal scorer would not help that cause, since he's a "bad apple'.

Carter would fit in just fine, as you will see when Holland trades for him. Wait and see.

Are you here to discuss or to make categorical statements?



The NBA and the NHL are vastly different leagues, and basketball and hockey are vastly different sports. Bad attitudes and prima-donnas are common in the NBA but are looked down upon in the NHL. As for Kobe Bryant, he's really not a good NBA counterpart to Jeff Carter. Given that Bryant is almost indisputably one of the best players in the NBA's history, you'd more likely be looking at Gretzky or Lemieux as a comparable player.



Goodness, gracious. Would you please consider trying to get on the Sharks` management team? You'd do a great job of running that locker room into the ground. Apparently you're hugely unaware of such very important factors as harmony in the locker room. Teammates who get along play well together. Teammates who detest each other do not play well together. One of the keys` to the Wings success over the past two decades has been keeping a harmonious locker room. Players with bad attitudes are not given a chance to play on the team; players who are lazy are traded. Players who have poor work ethics and who attempt to sleep with the spouses of their teammates are NOT given a chance.

Let's imagine a fun scenario: "Hey, everybody, this is Jeff Carter! We just traded for him. So you know, he's often lazy, sometimes has a poor work ethic, has been known to be irresponsible in his personal life, and might attempt to sleep with your spouse. Please welcome him to the team!"

...



Le sigh.



I still don't understand this "The Wings locker room will cure all attitude ailments!" thing. It's just not true, else the likes of Ville Leino and Sean Avery would not have been traded.

Do you really think everyone in the Red Wings locker-room got along? You, and many other prudish Wings fans, have been spoiled by having guys like Yzerman, Lidstrom and Dastyuk around all these years, and think that every hockey player must follow their example. Give me a break. As I said, one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch, and Carter is not Heatley.

If you've ever watched Carter and still think he'd be a great addition (especially considering the cost it would take) then you're the one who needs to watch another sport.  This guy plays predominantly on the perimeter, never bears down when the going gets difficult, and quits on plays more often than not.  He is extremely overrated.  

People always are so pumped to trade for 'superstars' but if you look back on so many deals that have been made league wide for these supposed upper echelon type guys the team that receives the package almost always wins - provided there isn't some outside factor in trading the player (i.e Kovalchuk as a pending UFA that wasnt going to re-sign).  

To me, Jeff Carter would be a mistake on so many levels it's not even funny

I have seen him play, and numbers(and my eyes) don't lie - he's a pure goal scorer. Does he need to work on his attitude and his all-around game? Sure. But I remember a time when Yzerman didn't play defense, either.

He's a young guy; give him time. You're pretty quick to right off a guy, aren't you. Also, I'm not suggesting giving up a whole lot. Carter wants out of Columbus, so if they ask for too much, walk away. But for Holland to not at least test the water would be asinine.

Anybody who thinks that Carter would not be a great addition(and give Detroit that much-needed right-handed sniper)probably needs to watch another sport. Hockey is not your game. Character/Attitude problems? Well, I guess LA should of traded Kobe Bryant years ago? I will admit, I like players with good character, but I also like to win...  and besides, the worse thing I heard about Carter is that he likes to chase teammate's wife's. If you have a faithful wife, you have nothing to worry about. Would I rather have a player like Bobby Ryan? Sure, but the price would be a lot steeper.

One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch. Get 'er done, Kenny!

Ken Holland is one of the best in the business but with cap space available and LOTS of expendable assets in the minor system he is crazy if he stands pat this deadline. Our power play sucks and we may need a backup goalie.

Rick Nash please.

This team is in desperate need of a right-handed sniper, and besides being left-handed, there is no way Columbus will deal their franchise player.

I don't care what some people say, Jeff Carter would be the ideal acquisition.

Conklin is af****** clown. Stop defending this garbage. It is not the team, it's him.

Yeah, Conks is not the greatest back-up, but the power play is more inexcusable than anything. Seriously, not since McLellen left has that power play not looked completely one-dimensional, and that's even when it was #1 in the NHL. Mike Babcock's coaching ineptitude is mind-boggling. I am miffed at how many people think he is even a semi-decent coach. Keep riding the success of a good team, Mike, and keep fooling the gullible masses.

I don't care where Detroit is sitting at the moment, Babcock is a buffoon,  and he has played zero part in ANY of Detroit's success.

Oh, and Commodore is STILL a horrible fighter. I'll take a guy who is at least willing to drop 'em than not, but I would much rather have Konopka or Asham in the line-up.

And after saying all of this, I still think Detroit is going to win this game ... maybe? But if they don't get a right-handed sniper at the deadline and this team keeps listening to Babcock's "coaching", I don't like their chances in the playoffs.

If Detroit could get something decent in return, I think it would be idiotic not to at least think about it. I've always liked Zetterberg, great defensive-forward ... but he has always been as slow as molasses and he's not getting any younger. Jeff Carter is disgruntled in Columbus ...  Zetterberg  for Carter? I'm sure it wouldn't be straight-up, but I would consider it. But Holland is loyal to a fault, so it's very unlikely that we will see Zetterberg traded, even for Ovechkin. Even some of the fans here are being completely unreasonable. Zetterberg was a steal in the draft, works hard, has a boatload of character and is one the genuinely good guys in the NHL ... but he is NOT Steve Yzerman. He is not untouchable, or at least he shouldn't be.  I think Zetterberg has the ability to turn things around, and also has a lot to offer the Wings, so it's not like I wouldn't go back and forth ... but if it was the right deal, and I believed it increased Detroit's chances of winning(and Detroit was able to get a little younger in the process),  I would pull the trigger.

Sometimes hard decisions have to be made ... someone should remind Kenny Holland of that.

Well, comsidering the article says "ANOTHER HEAVY WINGER" I guess that means someone like Franzen or Bertuzzi, since Babcock seems to think we already have a heavy winger and he would like ANOTHER one...if that is the case, we will be seeing more of the same type of player...

...I would be excited if he would have left out the "another." I hope he feels that Moen and Morrow are heavy wingers, because I am all for that, but I am not all for another Franzen or Hudler...


Ya, Morrow and Fistric would be great. But, lets stop saying the "Drake" factor. He wasn't really that big of help in winning, but he did add grit and toughness as would Morrow, but it seems that most folks around here feel that if it weren't for Drake, we wouldn't have won.

Who would go back to Dallas in your trade scenario? A d-man obviously, but who and who else? Just curious...

Concerning your comment about Drake, I think the exact opposite. Would that Red Wings team have won the cup without him? Maybe, but he sealed the deal. He brought a level of nastiness that the previous Red Wings teams under Mike Babcock lacked. Big hits fire up your team, and he delivered a lot of them in those playoffs, and it seemed like the rest of the team followed his lead. Players don't like playing against guys like Dallas Drake, because, well, they don't like getting smoked. You want to make your team as difficult to play against as possible, something all of the Detroit teams since then have not been. I think next years team, which, on paper, was a better team with the addition of Hossa, suffered because there was no attempt to replace the snarl Detroit lost with the retirement of Drake. It also didn't help that Detroit played the whole season without an enforcer, and that pretty much every team they played against took as many liberties as they so pleased. Downey only played in about 40 or so games that championship season, but pests and agitators knew that there was somebody who would hold them accountable if they misbehaved. The extracurricular stuff was limited in the games he played in. Even having Mac, as limited as his diminishing skills were, helped team morale. So I believe that adding a tough-nosed forward who is not afraid to muck it up, like Drake and unlike Abby, would go a long way to strengthening Detroit's chances, and that Dallas Drake was more valuable than you're giving him credit for. Some of the most important plays in a game are the ones that don't always end up on the stat sheet.

"Toughening up" is something that should of been addressed when the Wings were trying to repeat, after Drake retired, when Kopecky kept falling on his ass while Downey was relegated to Grand Rapids. Yeah, that season was fun to watch... Thanks, Kenny.

But as to this season, have to wait and see who the buyers and sellers are. I'd love to add a player like David Clarkson, but NJ won't deal him if they are in a playoff position come the deadline, and maybe not even if they aren't. Chris Neil would be a good addition, and I'd be more than willing to give up Abdelkader in a package for him, and I don't care if he IS 8 years younger. I can't stand Abby! But again, would Ottawa part with Neil if they are fighting for positioning? I also like the idea of adding Morrow, even though I think he hates the Red Wings. He's a more talented Dallas Drake. But what would Dallas want in return? He's an unrestricted free-agent next season.

Detroit does need to get a little harder to play, but the days of Holland fleecing other teams is long over.

We tied it? Good. I had to turn the game off. I have trouble watching grown men made into other men's *******. It makes me think of what it might be like in prison.
Red Wings=That skinny, young, scared pretty boy first-timer, who was a good kid that just got involved with the wrong crowd. Every other NHL team, except for maybe Buffalo and Montreal=that 6-foot-4, 350lb bald dude, that they call "Bubba".

See, these are the games that make Wings fans say: "Were the f*** is the Red Wings' enforcer?!" Or at least, "why the hell are they a bunch of *******?" I hate games like these, and Holland for leaving his players so unprotected. Because as you see, If the refs let the other team get away with the extracurricular stuff, they will take full advantage it, because they know that there will be no push back...not from this team. Scotty Bowman, please come back!

Eddie Olczyk does a good job of hiding his bias