Flipper51

It's always "the asking price is too high", and why aree the goddamn Bruins so frigging special?!  The Wings are so close to having something special and Kenny has to see this...

It's because Kenny doesn't realize you have to give up something to get something. That's what July 1st is for Kenny. Oh wait you never do anything there either cause you want everyone to play for peanuts

 
I guess I have no problems with that except isn't Bert gonna be back soon?
 
Also we don't really know what Helm's status is either? Meaning this season?
 
Don't forget Sammy!!!
 
I tend to usually leave my line combos to the coach.
 
Even if I dislike what Babs lines are.

What your saying right here is the problem. Weather it's babs or holland or a combination of both but we value players like Sammy, cleary, miller, eaves, etc over guys like Tatar and nyquist. You can't honestly tell me those guys are better. If Tatar and nyquist wer up playing solid roles all year we would be in a better spot then we are now. As well they would be even better players than they already are.

It's nice to have vets, but when your stars are already vets it comes to the point where we don't need guys like cleary, Sammy, miller, etc. are best players are vets and have been there in the playoffs. They are perfect for guys like Nyq and Tatar.

We are not a team like Edmonton where are whole top 6 is under 25 years old and we need vets to fill the depth to help the young guys. We have enough veteran presents. What we need is some utheful enthusiasm up front.

Tatar and nyquist will help provide that. Please babs and Kenny free these two!

I don't think he's playing bad at all. He's not getting goals, but who is? And he's on the 3rd line while Abdelkader plays with our best playmaker. Brunner is skating well, doing much better defensively than he was early on, and he's pretty involved offensively. If players like Ovechkin can go through long goalscoring droughts then so can Brunner. But we can't rely on him alone to score all our goals.

This! From what I've seen brunner is working his *** off! At least he's putting an effort in unlike some players up front. Guy should be datsyuk's trigger man right now! Wasting him on the 3rd line

 
I realize all that.  I understand that Parise, Suter, Iginla, etc. didn't want to come here because we're not all that, and there's parity now.    
 
However, after Holland didn't get what he wanted, he made stupid moves for injury riddled players, which are completely useless to us.  Sammy, Colaicovo, Gustavsson, Quincey.  Overpayment for all of them, when you consider what they've brought.  That's what I'm upset with more than anything else.  It's totally fair to criticize Holland for this.    
 
It's also fair to criticize Babcock.  How does Tatar not fit into anything?  He's scoring goals (something we need badly), and he's shown that he can play along the boards.  Babcock also clowned us with a Datsyuk, Abdelkader, Cleary line for several weeks.  Nyquist gets called up, but quickly sent down because he can't score on the lower lines.  No s***.  No one can score on our lower lines.    
 
Fans aren't just irrationally spouting hate.  We have arguments to back up our frustrations.  Poor moves by the management and poor coaching / line changes / sending the wrong players down.    

This and a thousand times over! This is why I'm so frustrated with things. It's clear as day that the best 18 players are not on the ice on a regular basis.

 
Nyquist spent time on the 1st and 2nd lines against the Sharks and was completely ineffective. He also got plenty of power play time and was absolutely ineffective there also.

He spent 2 shifts on a top 6 line against the sharks. TWO shifts! Give the guy two or three games with are best players. What's the harm in that? It's not like he's gonna do worse then cleary, miller, Sammy etc

Holland is the guy you need to point fingers at. He has done **** to improve this team lately. I always liked the saying "GM's fire coaches before people catch on that its their fault"  Babcock is a great coach trying to coach a team full of plugs. 

I agree that a lot of the blame should be on holland. But please tell my why nyquist didn't play today knowing that we lost a tun of offense in zetterberg. Or why Sammy was ahead of brunner in the lineup today even tho brunner is our 2nd leading scorer and has been busting his ass the last 5 games.

You can blame Kenny which yes definitely he deserves, but babs should take some blame as well for the lines he puts together.

I disagree, I think Abby, Miller, Eaves, Emmy, and even Cleary all bust their asses.  Unfortunately, they're all expected to fulfill roles on this team that their skill sets don't allow for.  Cleary should be a third line winger, Abby a fourth line center, Miller and Eaves fourth line wingers, and Emmy as the 13 forward.  Relying on anything more than that is going to get exposed pretty badly against teams with actual depth. 

This is exactly correct. This is also why I don't really get mad at these players. It's not there fault that there being put into positions they simply just can't fill.

This is directly holland and babcocks fault. Why was Samuelson brought in? Tatar and nyquist can both fill that role better, cheaper, and will also grow because they are young. Also that 3M cap hit is saved an can be stalked up to bring in a shooter to play with pavel.

Babcock is to fault too. He's in love with guys like cleary, Sammy, miller, etc. guys like nyquist and Tatar are brought up and stuck on the bottom lines??? These are offensive guys throw them into the top six and I guarantee with a little time they will produce like top 6 players

Everyone yammering for Nyqvist to be in to solve our scoring issues.....did I miss something?

Well he can't be any worse then cleary, Sammy and franzen

if this aint showing kenny the lack of firepower we have i dont know what will. No Z and you take dats out then boy oh boy are we in trouble down the line. cant understand why when we know Z is out they scratch Nyqvist when he could have been given a more offensive role.

Exactly! I honestly am beside myself on this very thing. Guy is considered are top prospect and an offensive guy. We lose are second best player before the game and instead of inserting nyquist onto a second line we scratch him and throw in some duster 4th liners to fill the offense. Half the guys in this lineup tonight shouldn't play another game this year.

We should be playing nyquist, And Tatar. This isn't to say play the young guys were tanking. This is actually the opposite. These 2 are better than half the forwards in this damn lineup. I don't know who's making these decisions, but it's getting really sickening watching these plugs play in vital roles when we have cheaper, younger, better players rotting in the minors.

And I can't for the life of me understand why Tatar was thrown back down to GR. he was arguably are 4th best forward when playing. Sorry for the rant just so frustrating to see this crap

Why on earth is brunner on 3rd line? Probably are most skilled guy behind datsyuk playing today and he's rotting on the 3rd line with a team that has a horrid top 6

 
ya, but you have to admit, my top 9 is better

They would still call Pittsburgh the favorite tho! Lol

And please tell me why Tatar ir rotting in the minors?? This team needs more top 6 talent 

Happy to have helm back but too bad it's at the expense of nyquist. I mean in all honesty helm should be playing with nyquist and Tatar to make up the deadliest 3rd line in hockey

Yup.  I am dead serious in that I'd rather see anyone in our organization play top 6 minutes over Cleary or Samuelsson, Defensemen included.  These guys are 2 years past usefulness.  But Cleary scored last night, right?  That was all Datsyuk.  I can bury an uncontested 10 footer.  He's gonna miss that one 4 times out of 5.  Why not give Emdog a few shifts with the magician?  Anyone.

I totally agree with you on cleary and Sammy. How would you feel of a top 9 of..

Mule- zetterberg- brunner
Filppula- datsyuk- bertuzzi
Nyquist- helm- Tatar

I feel like that top 9 stacks up with the rest of the contenders in the league

time to bring Nyquist back up, and put Tatar, Flip, and Nyquist on a line together!

Would not hate this line whatsoever! I just wanna see youth, skill, and speed in the top six!