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In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Yesterday, 07:31 PM

So you'd trade any player for a better player?  How profound. Nobody is arguing against that meaningless platitude.  This whole conversation spawned from a discussion about trading our top prospects for one of Trouba, Fowler, or Shattenkirk.  None of whom are top defensemen.  That's where your scenario falls apart, as has been pointed out.  But you keep beating this drum for some reason. 

 

Despite all the gushing over these guys from the LGW faithful, all of Trouba, Fowler, and Shattenkirk have real holes in their games.  Trouba, for instance, has been heralded as a "potential 1D" despite showing Danny Dekeyser like offensive skills during his pro career.  None of these guys are top defensemen on their teams.  The fact that they'd be a top defenseman on our team doesn't make them better players, it just means we're not that great.  If your 1D is worse than all the other 1D around the league you're still at a relative loss.  And that's BEFORE you factor in the fact that you lost a top prospect to make it happen. 

 

I'd have been happy to trade for ANY of them if we'd landed a decent offensive player in FA.  Replacing Nyquist or Tatar with Okposo would have made one of them expendable.  And a trade would have made sense.  But doing it now, with a top prospect, is a recipe for disaster. 


In Topic: Prospect Givani Smith scores Hat Trick in BioSteel Camp

28 August 2016 - 07:55 PM

 

Would be awesome if we signed a player actually named "BEEF".  

 

He'd ultimately lose his roster spot to "GRIT".  You know damn well we can't win without "GRIT".


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 August 2016 - 07:29 PM

I believe he's talking just about this year, and there's next to no chance (barring a rash of injuries) that AA makes it as a center this year. Needs a lot of work on his defensive game, from what I saw. Within the next few years though, I too would hope the plan is to have him at center. 

 

 

 

I hope that's the case.  I honestly didn't think his defensive game was terrible for a rookie, but I agree he needs to work on some things to be a regular center.  Namely his faceoffs (which is my big worry with Larkin moving to C this year too). 


In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

23 August 2016 - 04:42 PM

Anybody read the NHL.com "5 Questions" article with Ken Holland? I liked that they're planning to start Zetterberg with Nielsen, but a bit disappointed that he didn't mention AA when talking about prospective centers. I'm going to be really irritated if they develop that kid into a winger.

In Topic: Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

16 August 2016 - 07:06 PM

Beyond that, nobody said every prospect SHOULD be traded, or that a top prospect should be traded for a small upgrade. But that's where a GM needs to have an understanding of his own talent pool, so you know you can trade Fleischmann or Matthias but not Datsyuk or even a guy like Homer.

 

Which is exactly what we did.  Traded Fleishmann and Matthias, but not Datsyuk and Homer.  So what are you complaining about?  You're advocating for the EXACT trade strategy employed by our current management.

 

Also, I wouldn't go touting the Fleishmann trade as if it was some kind of ideal.  We gained Lang, who underwhelmed in two seasons, and lost Fleishmann and a pick (that turned out to be Mike Green).  We'd have been MUCH better off not making that trade.  Which is EXACTLY my point.  The grass isn't always greener when trading prospects for established talent.