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In Topic: Which prospect will have the best nhl career

Today, 04:45 PM

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In Topic: Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Today, 10:00 AM

Edit:  Just to clarify, here's my position on this topic.  Zetterberg circa 2008, played at a higher level than Toews ever has.  So he's probably the better player overall.  But not because Toews is overrated, but because Zetterberg was THAT good. 

 

Using points per game averages to decide the better player is dubious, and seems like cherry picking to me.  Jason Spezza has better ppg numbers than Zetterberg.  Is he better?  Is he top ten?  Truly elite?  Probably not.  

 

If the only thing that you can use to criticize Toews' game is ppg, your argument doesn't hold water.  All it really says it that Zetterberg is the better scorer, which is objectively true.  Here's a list of all Toews' accomplishments.  Seems pretty elite to me. 

 


In Topic: Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Today, 09:10 AM

It seems like you're trying to show that Zetterberg is better by arguing that Toews isn't that good.  Which is a pretty weak argument.  Toews' accomplishments speak for themselves.  Why not just acknowledge that Toews is a SUPER good hockey player.  But that Zetterberg was even better for a few years there?  Not sure why you're trying to tear one down to build the other up?


In Topic: Who is the better player Zetterberg or Toews. Prime vs. Present

Today, 09:00 AM

If two Olympic Gold medals and being fortunate enough to have a superstar laden team is good enough to make Mike Babcock the "best coach in the NHL", why isn't it enough to make Jonathan Toews the best player?


In Topic: Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

31 July 2015 - 11:44 AM

 

So you think the contract is bad or no? More examples: Tarasenko at 7.5 or Stepan at 6.5. 

 

Voracek was 5th in the entire league in scoring this last season. And he's big and he's young. I'm saying he pretty much got market value.

 

I think he probably got paid a little too much.  But not terribly so.  I guess my overall point is that for negotiation purposes, contracts for guys like Kane, Toews, and ROR matter.  But in determining a players actual value they don't say much.  All three of those guys got paid the way they did because of externalities.  I guess what I'm saying is, there's a tendency to think "Well if O'Reilly got 7.5 then Voracek is worth 8.5".  Which is how contract negotiations work, I understand, but it's flawed because O'Reilly isn't actually worth 7.5.  He's just worth that to a desperate team.