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#2651083 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 04:52 PM

It's way too early to throw Blashill under the bus. He doesn't have much to work with.

I agree that's its too early to torch Blash. But I'm not convinced that he hasn't got much to work with. Tatar and Nyquist have both proven they're capable goal scorers. Mrazek is a stud. Larkin is a budding star. Dats and Z are aging, but still reasonably productive. Kronwall and Green are higher end puck movers and Dekeyser is a first rate two way defenseman. Abby is also a reasonably productive complimentary piece.

Its also not unreasonable to have expected Richards, Pulkkinen, Sheahan, and Smith to be quality depth pieces.

These guys aren't mediocre players. Its troubling that, with the exception of Larkin, every single one of them is having a worse season than they did one year ago. The fact that the lack of production is so universal, suggests to me that its a coaching issue. Part of it is the anemic power play. If that's even reasonably good all these guys point totals start looking more like we are accustomed to. But if its not the coaching then I don't know how else to explain a near team wide downward slide between one year and the next.

#2651055 Red Wings at Lightning/Panthers joint discussion

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 02:08 PM

I thought Jurco looked really good both games. So that's a plus. Otherwise we were brutal. We never shoot, and when we do we never hit the net. No wonder we don't score.

#2651046 Forward Line Combos/Discussion

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 02:00 PM

I've really soured on anyone who can't get the puck and do something with it. I don't care how many shots you block or how gritty you are. If you don't possess the puck you suck in the modern game. What good are you doing if you block a shot or break up a pass and the give the puck back to the other team for another try? Our WORST possession forwards are on the pk. How do you clear the puck if you can't get it from the other team?

#2651038 Forward Line Combos/Discussion

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 01:28 PM

I have a dream...of a roster without Glendening or Anderson. Its rough knowing I'll inevitably be disappointed.


#2650627 All Star Skills Competition

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2016 - 07:33 PM

Atta boy Dylark!

#2650381 And your NHL All-Star Division Captains are....

Posted by kipwinger on 28 January 2016 - 01:45 PM

Toews and Ovechkin suspended for backing out of the ASG after the league condoned, and even requested, that John Scott do the same. If I were them I'd file a grievance with the union. What a joke.

#2650329 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2016 - 10:08 PM

From what I've read, Filppula wanted to test Free agency then came back to us to take the deal we offered, but we had already agreed with Weiss.


I think you're right on Hudler. It slipped my mind that we didn't make an offer to him.


But anyway it sounds like this is a change of argument. none of Q, E, Abby are bottom end guys. I think it would be hard to fill their shoes through free agency. Hell, we tried with Q, missed on the other options, and were stuck with him (though I like him now).


I think only Miller and smith could fit that description of bottom end, depth guys when they were signed and both were given fairly reasonable contracts and not much term. I don't it's that important to save the .6 mill in the fleishmann example. Fleismann was a professional tryout after his 4.5 mill deal this year. I do think those are good places to look for deals on players to fill out depth spots.


I think a valid criticism is term and NMCs to Abby and E and we shouldn't try to lock up these players for such a long time.


I think that all of Q, E, Abby, Helm, would count as role players.  None of them are solidly top level guys.  Abby is maybe the closest, but even he has cooled demonstrably. 


And I disagree that trying to save .6 million is unimportant.  Overpaying four or five bottom end guys by .6 million could well be the difference between signing a mediocre, as opposed to a very good, top end guy (when the time is right).  You think Tampa wouldn't mind having a extra couple of million right now?  You could easily make the argument that the money they're overpaying for Filppula, Boyle, Coburn, and Carle would go a long way toward keeping Stamkos in town. 


Again, I'm not trying to disagree with you too much here because I think we're mostly on the same page.  But I think that the cap has created a situation where the number of guys competing for the contracts below 5 million dollars is growing, and you have to be careful who you're giving that money out to because that's where there are deals to be had. 

#2650323 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2016 - 08:51 PM

I agree that seems to be the way it's going.  But the guy who keeps doing all the winning (Bowman) seems to see it differently.  It's possible that's completely coincidental.  But every time he wins, tears down his team, builds again around the same core, and wins again, I become a little more skeptical of coincidence. 


Again, I don't want to say "let them all walk".  I'm saying that if you're WILLING to let them all walk, you may sign more favorable contracts.  And if they do walk, you just sign Lee Stempniak to a one year deal.  He'd be leading our team in points and second in goals right now BTW lol. 

#2650321 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2016 - 08:37 PM

The term is often the problem. 


And again, I want to preface this by saying that I don't think any of these guys have been bad.  I just don't think that they're so good that they couldn't have been replaced by someone on a better contract. 


For instance, is Ericsson (4.25 cap hit for six years) and Quincey (4.25 cap hit for two years) substantially better than Quincey and, say, Willie Mitchell (4.25 cap hit for two years) would have been?  The latter obviously gives us WAY more flexibility, and the difference in quality of play is negligible.  They all signed in the same year.  And here's the kicker, guys like Willie Mitchell are available every single year. 


Likewise, is Drew Miller (1.3 cap hit) that much better than, say, Tomas Fleischmann (750K) that we need to keep Miller around next year.  Fleischmann will be off he market but you can bet you ass there will be someone EXACTLY like him who could easily slot in there. 


The same was true for all (or most) of Abby, Helm, Kindl, Howard, Smith, etc.  They're all replaceable.  And it would do the team a lot of good if Holland would keep that in mind during contract negotiations. 

#2650316 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2016 - 06:00 PM

The other thing I would say is that Holland and co. need to dramatically alter their opinions on who can be moved, and who deserves to stay and get a raise. Going forward we cannot continue to eat up cap space on middling guys and "prove it contracts". I know that guys like Ericsson, Quincey, Smith, Miller, Helm, Howard, and even Abby have been good at times, and might even be good now, but most of them signed contract when they weren't appreciably better than other alternatives.

I hate to say it, but we really need to learn from teams like Chicago with regard to managing the cap. The threshold for who is replaceable needs to raise a bit in Detroit. Especially as our old guys retire and we transition toward the future.

Is there any doubt that Kenny would have moved heaven and earth to keep guys like Saad, Buf, Ladd, Versteeg, Sharp, Oduya, Stalberg, etc.when you look at what he's done to keep our mid level guys? Going forward guys need to do a little more to earn their contracts in Detroit.

#2650312 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2016 - 05:27 PM

The number I keep seeing for the cap is 74 million.

As far as DK and Mrazek go, I genuinelydont think they'll cost as much as many think. Dekeyser will sign for below mmarket value because he wants to play in Michigan and because he doesn't score much. Petr will sign a bridge deal like Nyquist and Tatar did after their breakout years. Both will be shortish term and cap friendly.

#2650290 2016 Trade Deadline Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 January 2016 - 02:24 PM

To Winn: Ericsson (2 mil retained), Pulk, 3rd
To Detroit: Byfuglien (resigned 6x6.5)

To NYI: Helm, Ouellet, 2nd
To Detroit: Okposo (resigned 5x5.5)

Next year...


Fixes the transition game, fixes the power play, makes us bigger, grittier, more offensive, AND leaves us in good cap condition going forward. Only one bad contract (Buf) which is offset by the fact that E, Q, Richards, and Helm would be replaced by cheaper guys.

#2649460 Joakim Andesson on Waivers

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2016 - 01:40 PM

I'd be happy if they'd just swap Andersson for Callahan. 

#2649425 Bravo, Smitty

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2016 - 09:49 AM

Ugh.  I can't believe I'm about to defend Brendan Smith. 


First, bottom pair defensemen (and bottom 6 forwards) are almost NEVER the reason for a bad season.  The difference in quality between our bottom pair and that of...say...Washington, is marginal.  If we don't make the playoffs this year it will be because none of our high end players (aside from Larkin) was comparably better than their counterparts on more successful teams.  None of Dats, Z, Tatar, Nyquist, Kronwall, Green, etc. have been as good as they should be. 


Secondly, Smith's handpass from the bench.  I'm tired of hearing about it.  For two years prior to that play, I'd been regularly pointing out that Smith just wasn't very good, and was almost UNIVERSALLY met with opposition.  Smith could blow coverages, turn the puck over in the d-zone, make bad pinches, or take untimely penalties and the chorus was generally, "Smitty's good.  He's dynamic because of his skating.  He's the only guy that will drop the gloves".  People loved that dope...inexplicably.  Then the handpass happened and all the same people who loved him before, started s***ting on him.  But that wasn't his low point.  His low point was the previous two years when he regularly sucked and everybody said "Smith's playing pretty good right now, maybe our best defenseman". 


Now Smith IS playing pretty good.  He's rounding out his game in a way I NEVER thought he would.  And people are still talking about that handpass.  It was dumb.  I agree.  But it's far from the worst thing he's done on the ice (not that anybody had bothered to notice before).  And he's far from the player he was when he did it.  So can we all get back to bitching about Ericsson already? 

#2649241 1/20 GDT : St. Louis Blues at Red Wings, 8:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 20 January 2016 - 09:34 PM

Jesus, what the hell happened to Keith Tkachuk? He looks like the older version of himself ate the younger one. What a tub of s***.