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#2566001 Give Patrick Hersley a shot?

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 09:18 AM

 

So you're saying you can't cite any players who left the league and then came back to be successful in it? Only players who bloomed late? Is that what I'm hearing???

 

Is the question, "name players who have played in North America, gone back to Europe, and then returned to North America to have some success?"

 

Jori Lehtera?

Jiri Hudler?

Mark Streit?

Leo Komarov?

Brian Rafalski?

Johnny Oduya?

Radim Vrbata?

Anton Babchuk?

Robert Lang?

Mark Giordano?

Jiri Sekac?




#2565713 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 02:49 PM

I think it's splitting hairs by whether you call it a mental health issue or an "emotional issue"  But if a guy says that thoughts of trying NOT scoring a goal have crossed through his mind while playing, it's something that can't be totally ignored.  I'm definitely not a Franzen basher, but at times, he has literally looked like a guy who is afraid to be out there.  I don't think it's any more of a character assassination than it is to speculate about a player with a history of a physical injury who has been struggling on the ice might be having a recurrence of the injury.

 

There are all sorts of mental health issues, only some of which deal with emotions.  That's the difference.  So no, it's not splitting hairs. 

 

Otherwise, I agree that it's perfectly reasonable to wonder why a guy's having a down year IF he is indeed having one.  However, in this case I think his character is being assassinated based on two things...A) We already know why he's out of the lineup.  He's got a neck injury (whiplash) which has been diagnosed.  B)  He's not having a down year.  22 pts. in 33 games puts him on pretty much the exact same scoring pace as he's produced at for the whole of his career.  There's nothing to suggest that his game is suffering, and if it were, there's nothing to suggest it's anything other than the injury sustained during the hit to the head. 

 

He's injured.  He's not a malingerer, and if he has had (most aren't permanent) mental health issues, there's no reason to believe they're what's keeping him out of the lineup or causing a down year (which he isn't). 




#2565687 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 12:06 PM

Unlikely. If we did, would they impress? My guess is that Marchenko is more "NHL ready" than Sproul at this point.

Maybe some of the bigger GR fans here can correct me, but I believe Sproul has had a fairly inconsistent season. I think I read something about his defensive partners being swapped around a bit. Have Paetsch-Jensen and Evans-Sproul been the pairings lately?

 

I wouldn't say he's been inconsistent.  His production hasn't great to begin the season, but once Ouellet came to the big club, Sproul became the primary puck mover in GR and his production increased.  Can't speak to his defense, but I can say he's really picked in up offensively after having almost no points in the first quarter of the season. 




#2565680 crazy hockey dad

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 11:43 AM

I think I'd give him the choice of either paying for the glass, or wearing a t-shirt that said "I'm a stupid douchebag" for an entire week.  Either one would be fine. 




#2565676 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 11:33 AM

Again, we have other assets that could be used in a trade before Pulkkinen. He is far and away the purest goal scorer in the organization and he is right handed to boot. In my opinion, it would be very short sighted to trade him at this point. Sure, it is possible that he tops out as a third line winger / power-play specialist, but it also isn't out of the realm of possibility that he surpasses a guy like Tatar or even Nyquist on the depth chart in a few years. The kid has been a beast in every league he has played, no reason to think he can't be in the NHL as well...

 

Sure, we have lots of other assets that could be traded.  But not too many that "could" be traded, that also have value to other teams.  I think we're having a miscommunication of some sort.  I say, "I won't be surprised if he's traded", and you respond with "he shouldn't be traded, he's going to be good".  I agree with you.  He'll probably be pretty good.  And it's precisely that reason, and the emergence of Nyquist and Tatar as bona fide stars, which makes me think it's a possibility.  

 

In some ways I think I'm starting to understand the way you post, and the way you look at this team.  Which might make it easier for us to have productive discussions going forward.  You like the Red Wings, and you like certain players, and so your mind will always try to figure out ways to utilize the players you like to help the team you like.  But the key point is that the player you like and the team you like be together.  I can dig it.   




#2565670 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 10:25 AM

I think he has emotional issues. Wasn't it mentioned a few years ago that he was struggling with depression? I've had a job that required a lot of travel and I struggled with those issues too. Give the guy some slack.

 

Fedorov had personal issues too. I remember Bowman snatching a heckler's sign that criticized Fedorov's contract dispute during one of the '90's playoff runs. He didn't want him to lose his confidence.

 

Think of your own performance at work. Do you always perform at the highest level? Especially when you are down about something? No one has any evidence to suspect him of malfeasance. 

 

But you have evidence to suspect him of "emotional issues"?

 

This whole thread has turned hokey.  Why don't we all stick to Franzen and hockey and not try to assassinate/dissect his character.  Regardless of how we feel about him on the ice, there is absolutely NOTHING to suggest he's not a decent, committed, hard working, emotionally stable person. 




#2565668 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 23 January 2015 - 09:52 AM

I suppose the reason I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he's traded is because of where he fits onto this team moving forward.  Lets say in 3-5 years, who are the Wings potential top six wingers?  Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Abby, Pulkkinen, and Jurco.  Now, he's not really competing with the big bodied guys (Mantha, Abby, Jurco) and Nyquist and Tatar are already proven high scoring NHL players.  So as of now, he's the shooting winger on the third line (and obviously a power play specialist) if he continues to develop and have success.  

 

I'd never be surprised if a third liner is traded.  Particularly if it's for something like a top four defenseman. 

 

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised.  Sure he's a shooter, and sure he's right handed.  And those things are huge buzz words for the organization.  But the shooter thing matters a little less when you've got established goal scorers in Nyquist and Tatar, and an expected goal scorer in Mantha.  And the right handedness is more of a need on the back end than the front end.  Obviously, you'd like to have both, but if losing a righty up front gains you a righty top four defender, I can see Holland being ok with the trade off. 




#2565587 crazy hockey dad

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2015 - 03:49 PM

Well at least his child is too young to be embarrassed by what a stupid, blowhard, jackass his father is. 




#2565547 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2015 - 12:11 PM

He was listed as 194 Lbs.

 

http://www.hockeydb.....php?pid=118379

 

Maybe he lost weight this year, cause they now list him at 183

 

http://www.nhl.com/i....htm?id=8475800

 

This is one area where I'm a little skeptical of the listed stats, because reported weights fluctuate pretty significantly.  I can't tell you how much the kid weighs.  What I can say is, when I watched them play in Washington a couple weeks ago he was the tiniest guy on the ice.  Nyquist and Tatar looked significantly bigger by comparison.  Now, saying that, he doesn't look small and skinny like Landon Ferraro for instance, he looks small but more solid.  If you get this kid a nutritionist and pro-level workouts and I don't think 195-200 lbs of explosive muscle is out of the question.  And that, to me, really is the difference.  It's like Tatar last year (small and weaker) vs. Tatar this year (still smallish, but more powerful).  That's what I'd like to see out of Pulkkinen. 




#2565533 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2015 - 11:04 AM

To me, the biggest thing he's going to have to do is get WAY stronger.  He's a little guy.  You don't realize it until you see him in person.  By comparison, Nyquist and Tatar look like big dudes.  Which, I assume, is because of their respective fitness levels.  I don't even really care if he gains weight (which he probably will), as long as he just gets WAY stronger.  He's got a really low center of gravity, so if he does put on some muscle and/or add some power, he'll win a lot of the battles he loses.  

 

Other than his shot, there are a few things I really like about his game.  He's got good first step quickness.  He can jump on loose pucks and find open spots on the ice as a result.  He's also pretty defensively responsible.  I noticed him backtracking and checking his coverage a lot.  Finally, I really like his aggressiveness.  He doesn't play pensive, at all.  He jumps into scrums, battles on the boards, and will put his body on the line to make a play.  He battles, he's just too weak to win the battles right now.  But he's definitely not afraid.

 

He's got an alpha mentality, but right now beta strength.  If he can be an explosive 195-200 lbs. (which I don't think is unrealistic given his frame), I think he'll be a really exciting player because he doesn't lack much else. 




#2565532 Pittsburgh/Philly might be the best rivalry in the game now

Posted by kipwinger on 22 January 2015 - 10:57 AM

There are all sorts of rivalries, in all sorts of sports, most of which don't have fighting.  Why would it be necessary in this case?




#2565430 Pittsburgh/Philly might be the best rivalry in the game now

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2015 - 01:24 PM

Rivalries happen for a lot of reasons, and they can't be manufactured.  That's why they wax and wane.  Anybody want to tell me there wasn't a good, healthy, rivalry with Pittsburgh for a couple years after 2008 and 2009?  And watch out if Boston and Montreal meet again in the playoffs after Lucic was a ****** and Subban made the Bruins look like assholes.  Rivalries can't really be forced, and only relate to history or geography tangentially.  Wanna know why the Detroit/Chicago rivalry died?  Because Chicago was horrible for 30 years, and once they got good we weren't great.  However, let two powerhouse teams meet each other a couple years in a row (with something on the line) and you'll have a pretty good rivalry for a while.  Remember Chicago and Vancouver a few years ago.  Those games were intense because they were both good and the stakes were high. 




#2565411 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 21 January 2015 - 12:12 PM

Holland knows what he's got with Callahan, Marchenko, and to a lesser extent Pulkkinen.  However, Sproul, Mantha, and Ferraro seem like (until recently) they're still in flux.  I imagine that's why he's scouting them.  He already knows who his most NHL ready guys are, but why not take a look at the next in line guys and see how they've progressed?




#2564914 Randy Carlyle relieved of his duties by Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 20 January 2015 - 02:46 PM

Not touching it. 




#2564880 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by kipwinger on 20 January 2015 - 12:55 PM

An opinion cannot be wrong, hence it being an "opinion"... An estimation of the quality of worth of someone or something. You can throw as many stats at me as you want, I'm going by the product I see on the ice. Smith is the better option for the second pairing, while Quincey would be a great shut-down third pairing guy.

 

Yup, I said Quincey surged ahead of Smith in ALL those areas in just one week... It was very clear in what I said that I was specifically talking about points, as in the one extra goal he got, and the four extra assists... Is it really that impossible for you to fathom that Smith could have potentially got that plus some if he were paired with DeKeyser for the past month rather than babysitting a rookie?... Give me a break...

 

Christ, are you really saying that just because you hold an opinion it "cannot be wrong"? You're definitely smarter than that.  

 

An opinion can absolutely be wrong if the preponderance of evidence suggests the opposite, as it does in this case.  Because there's an objective truth here.  Opinions can't be wrong when the choices are subjective (e.g. I like red better than blue tshirts).  If you said "I like Smith better", I couldn't argue.  That's your subjective opinion.  But you said "Smith IS better".  Which is not an opinion, its a demonstrably false statement. 

 

That's like saying my "opinion" isn't wrong if I say Steve Yzerman was better offensively than Wayne Gretzky.  "Well...um...I don't care what the stats say...umm...it's my OPINION". 

 

You're wrong dude.  Get over it.  One day Smith MAY be better than Quincey, but as of right now the universe of evidence proves otherwise, regardless of your opinion.