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So...Brunner has the same agent as Ryan Suter? FML

He's probably gonna sign with the Paris DoucheCanoes with Raphael Diaz for 18 billion dollars and 23 years so they can be the new Euro Thunderbuddies.

At least the Paris DoucheCanoes' farm team won the Calder Cup. Oh wait...

Is it wrong to be drunk at 10am on a Wednesday morning?

If it's wrong, then I don't wanna be right. 

Sorry but why? What would he give us? Size? Nope. he is 5-11/190. Scoring? Not really. he puts up a lot of 45-55 point seasons. Toughness? Nope. Why would we wan him over Filppula? Where is the upgrade? In fact Filppula might be a better player. On top of that we are talking about trading for him-moving assets. Why? 

Filppula has one season with more than 20 goals and 40 pts.  Weiss has four 20+ goal seasons and six 40+ point seasons.  Weiss also is a career 50% faceoff guy, is noticeably faster than Filppula,  shoots more often, plays stellar defense, and kills penalties.  He's a MUCH better player than Filppula.  I don't know if he's the answer to all of Detroit's offensive woes, but to suggest that he's not is a significant upgrade over Filppula is absurd. 

I like the roster, but Weiss and Scuderi should each get about 3.5 mil.  And that isn't really that far fetched, but the Kings will fight hard to keep Scuderi around.   

Weiss currently makes about 3.1 million.  In his last four season (before this year's injury plagued go around) he scored 60, 60, 49, and 57 pts.  He's also coming off three straight 20+ goals seasons as well.  He'll get considerably more than 3.5, given that most people think Filppula will get around five and he doesn't have Weiss's stats.  Plus, Weiss plays good defense, kills penalties, and plays on the PP.  I don't think it's a stretch for him to get 5.5 in a bad UFA class (like this one).  Hell Gabrovski and Hemsky make that and they don't have half the all around game that Weiss has. 

No better way to develop young players than to force them to play against substandard goalies.  Hurray for the CHL, now young canadian forwards can get used to scoring on the likes of Malcolm Subban and never know what it's like to play against a real goalie until they hit the AHL.

 

Ok...Franzen slappies will be just that.  Keep on wanting him here.  Every year I give him plenty of chances to win me over, every year he fails.  This year more than others... that pathetic poof shot at the goal against Chicago defines his status in my book.... You will always love him, I will never.  If he never played here again, I would be the happiest Wings fan in the world.

Right.  How could I fail to notice your open mindedness in between calling for him to be traded and feminizing his name (Franzine) for the last 3 years.  You obviously give him a fair shake each year and he fails you by scoring more goals than anyone else on the team. 

I know this may come as a surprise to you, but the fact that I can objectively look at a hockey player and come to the conclusion that he's a valuable contributor to his team does not mean I "love" him.  I determine a player's worth based on his contributions to the team's success, while you (apparently) base it on some gut level love/hate dynamic. 

 

28 goals and 62 points in a full season? Terrible!

I know, on pace to have a career high in points and still led the team in goals.  But then again, he disappears for long stretches all the time, which is why his longest goal scoring drought (7 games) is so much more unforgivable than Datsyuk's (11 games) or Zetterbergs (11 games).  What a rapid decline!

 

One day you will realize that Franzen is declining rapidly and is pretty much useless in between the 5 game stretches he decides to play....

Yep, those 14 goals and 31 points in 41 games were pathetic.  We should probably trade him for Shawn Horcroff.

 

Chicago didn't seem a whole lot bigger but you also have to remember the Wings average height and weight includes Bertuzzi, Franzen, and Kindl.  All who play a lot less physical than their size would suggest. 

That's true, but the average height and weight for Chicago included huge guys that never touched the ice against Detroit, including Bollig, Mayers, and Hayes.  Also, they have plenty of pretty big guys who play a finesse game also, such as Hjalmarsson, Stalberg, and Frolik.  Actually, Bickell and Seabrook are the only guys on that team that are both big, and play a rugged big guy game. 

For example:  While being big, Hossa only had 12 hits this season which was good for 19th on the team.  By comparison Franzen had 43 which was good for eighth on the team, and Kindl had 46.  Three different guys, all big, with varying levels of physicality.  If one can count Franzen and Kindl's "not playing big" against the average height and weight, then you'd have to do the same for Hossa, Frolik, Stalberg, and Hjalmarsson, all of whom had fewer hits than Franzen (except Stalberg who had the same amount).  Also, Franzen and Kindl both had more blocked shots than any of the guys I mentioned as well.  So I'm not really sure how they're any less physical than Chicago's big bodies are. 

LPGA:

Franzen

4 x 100:

Brunner-Emdog-Andersson-Helm

This reminds me of Donny Baker on "The Bob and Tom Show".  "He probably hits from the red tees, I swear to god man". 

I was going to make a football lineup, but then I decided they'd be terrible no matter how I organized them because Brendan Smith would lead the league in fumbles. 

 

Don't act like they don't get special treatment....maybe not so much anymore, but when they won, oh yeah, special rules apply. 

Every team says this about every team they don't like.  You're no different.  You make it seem like there's some sort of scientific evidence to support this idea or something.  Wanna know what Chicago fans were saying after that goal was waved off in the waning seconds of game 7?  "Detroit gets special treatment from the league".  It's wrong, boring, and an obvious attempt to pander to the lowest common denominator.  I'd love to just ignore it, except that ever thread inevitably leads to this silly crap the second penalties, Penguins, Bettman, the league, diving, 2009, Crosby, or anything else gets brought up.  Which is fairly frequently when you consider this is a hockey forum. 

Sidney Crosby is the most marketable player in the NHL.  Deal with it.  BUT, the fact that Sidney Crosby is the most marketable player in the NHL in no way suggests that there's some sort of absurd conspiracy to make him win championships...particularly when you consider that Pittsburgh doesn't win all that many important games in the playoffs anyway.  So please, just stop already.  Beyond saying the same illogical thing over and over and over again, it's just boring, which is sorta worse when you consider this is supposed to be something we all do for fun. 

Which is worse, getting blown up by the Flyers last season in an utterly pathetic 1st round or getting swept by the Bruins in the conference finals after trading for Iginla, Murray, and Morrow and winning a zillion games in a row this year?

There are a lot of big skilled first rounders this year.  As such, at least one guy like Mantha, Gauthier, or Zykov, could realistically fall down to the 20-22 pick.  If Detroit wants a big, strong, skilled, winger this is the year to get it.  There's absolutely NO REASON for them to take someone like McCarron in the first when they could get a legit power forward for that in this year's draft with minimal effort.  If they don't take one in the first, it's because they don't want one...which should be telling. 

I like the Dallas sweaters better than the Carolina ones, but to be honest they both look like something you'd make up if you were creating your own team on some hockey video game...and you were 13 years old. 

I liked this one a lot.  Most of it is spot on.  If I had a nickel for every "How many cups", "Cleary and Abby in the top six", or "Bettman wants us to lose" comment I've read (on this forum alone) I'd be a rich man.  What's the difference between us saying it to or about each other and someone else doing it?  Good satire is funny because there's an element of truth to it.  We do have a comparatively s***ty top six.  Many Wings fans are bangwagoners from the glory days of the nineties, and we do go on and on about conspiracies.  But in the end those are all relatively transient and therefore insignificant aspects of an otherwise storied franchise.

Who cares, just laugh it off.  A far more damning criticism of the Detroit Red Wings would be if their fans became humorless d*cks just because they didn't win the Cup ever year.  Then we'd truly be the Yankees of hockey.