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#2543469 Rating the Defense through 6 games

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 09:19 PM

Our zone coverage has been really good.  Our passing and transition game from the back end has been horrible, to the extent that our beat writers were discussing our "turnover problem" by about game 3 of the season.  Two of our loses are directly attributable to massive defenseman turnovers that led to goals.  Also our defense has produced a combined 7 points, so anybody ready to pat them on the back for "creating offense" should think again.  So let's not sing kumbaya just yet eh boys?

#2543399 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 01:21 PM

Everyone that is crying that we didn't have enough offense is stupid. Yes, two goals won't win you MOST games but SOMETIMES it's enough to win a game. This is hockey, you guys know that it's not always going to be high scoring. We scored two goals yesterday in a very TIGHT game. You've never seen a hockey game end 1-0 or 2-0? It happens!! Yes of course we could have took advantage of the Power Play but we didn't. Bottom line is we scored more than they did and we should have won. You're not going to win many games when goals are taken away from you. Absolute bull call and took away a highlight goal away from one of the best players in the game. I seriously want to crush Montreal so bad the next time we play them.


You're right.  We are stupid.  I've changed my tune; from now on I'll form my impressions based on what should have happened. 

#2543372 Weiss

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 09:36 AM


Maybe because the coaching stuff expected more from him (including pre-season ?). ) It doesn't matter how much money a player is making if he doesn't perform Babcock won't play the guy, simple.


Is that what's going on? 


Because Babcock and Holland's own comments suggest that he's not playing because they want to bring him along slowly, but that they've impressed by his attitude and hard work. 


This seems like another installment of "Frank speculates on something but plays it off like fact". 

#2543364 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 08:59 AM

If we continue to play soccer, every bad call will affect us. If we are up 6-2 or down 7-1, who cares if a ref blows a call. We don't have an elite goaltender. We have a good goaltender, but not an elite one. You have to have an elite goaltender if you wanna play soccer.



I understand the point you're making, but lets not get carried away.  I don't want to win or lose by 4 goals a night.  That's not going to get you into the playoffs.  But 50% of the 10 games last night were decided by two or more goals.  So it's not like offense and defense are mutually exclusive.  I'd just like to be reasonably sure that if we're down by a goal we've at least got a chance to come back, and if we're up by a goal we've at least got a shot at being able to score again.  As it is, I have no faith in either of these things.  And the only way anybody seems to be able to justify our current approach is by pretending we live in a fantasy world were refs don't occasionally make bad calls.


Was I the only one last night that KNEW Montreal was going to get the next goal and tie the game?  I would have bet anybody on LGW if they had waged Detroit would score again before Montreal scored to tie it. 

#2543360 Weiss

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 08:42 AM

Filppula wanted out and I think TB will regret that deal. He's never had 2 back to back healthy productive seasons.


What's the over/under on "healthy, productive, season"?  Because I'll take your bet. 

#2543312 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on 21 October 2014 - 10:23 PM

Low scoring approach? Not sure any team advocates that

I wouldn't call any of those team run and gun offense, maybe Tampa and Ny, but they've turned corners recently. The real contenders: LA CHI BOS etc are all high possession teams.

I know what GF means, hence why I referenced it and the fact that my original point had nothing to do with it.


You're talking in circles.  All those teams create more offense than Detroit and still play good defense.  You were the one who brought up "run and gun" and how it didn't work.  All he did was criticize Babs' preference for low scoring games.  You were trying to make his argument appear wrong headed without coming out and saying it straight up.  Now you're trying to obscure that fact by changing the subject. 


The next time someone criticizes Babcock's "soccer" strategy, the correct response should be something along the lines of "what alternative do you propose" and not "So you'd rather we be a run and gun team? The type that never wins cups?".  Then you could have a conversation about offensive vs. defensive strategies without all the not so subtle "your position is wrong" inferences. 

#2543278 10/21 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Canadiens 2 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on 21 October 2014 - 09:25 PM

Well, when you only score one or two goals a game this is what you get. I think they've looked decent so far this year, but they have GOT to start scoring more. Then we won't have to worry about bulls*** waving off of goals or uncalled penalties or what the f*** ever.


Exactly.  If your strategy is to win every game by a single goal, then you don't have a large margin of error.  There was a time when if we were down by a goal going into the third period, you could almost bank on us getting it back.  Not anymore.  Nowadays we can't protect a lead going into the third unless every single thing turns out perfectly in our favor because that's the only goal we're getting that night. 


Get some offense in the lineup or get used to bitching about the refs ALL SEASON LONG.  Because there's going to be a lot of bad calls that cost us games if every game is this close. 


Also, since when did our fan base because so full of complainers?  We're not the only team that will lose a game because of a bad call this week.  Let alone this season.  You don't see good teams getting all bent out of shape because of a disallowed goal, or a questionable call. 

#2542771 Weiss

Posted by kipwinger on 21 October 2014 - 09:39 AM


Here's the post I made in the Franzen thread regarding Weiss. 


I can  understand Weiss being rusty from his time off, but I don't think we should handicap his performance based on his linemates.  He's a 12 year veteran of the league and a professional athlete.  
If you have Henrik Zetterberg coming off a long term injury, even if you put him on the 4th line on the wing, you're going to see flashes of Zetterberg.  I realize not everyone is Hank, but look at Darren Helm.  He came off a long injury but still looked like himself when he got back, just a slightly rustier version. 
I don't know what's going on with the guy but I've seen none of that from Weiss. 



I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's so easy to compare the Weiss situation to Zetterberg or Helm.  Those guys were returning to a system they knew, in positions they were familiar with, and the absolute confidence of the man dishing out the playing time.  None of which is true of Weiss.  I don't think (as I'm sure you'd agree) that Weiss gets an unlimited blank check because of this.  But two things jumped out to me after Weiss' first game back...


1)  "I've never played left wing in my life so that's tough too, trying to figure out the system as a winger. All of that stuff is tough. It was fun to be back in the mix, playing again in a game and hopefully we can do more here coming up." - Stephen Weiss


2)  "He got an opportunity to play in a game," Babcock said. "He didn't get a ton of opportunity but at least he got in the game and got some action going. Weisser, it's not going to happen overnight.


I'm not expecting a guy to look good in his first game back, in a new position, with the coach readily admitting that they're not giving him much of an opportunity. 


And then there's this, which is worth thinking about...


"But we're happy with him. We think he's going in the right direction. We think his attitude is great and we think he's working hard." -Babs

#2542689 slava voynov suspended after domestic violence arrest

Posted by kipwinger on 20 October 2014 - 05:18 PM

May be premature, but ya think LA would want Quincey? Too soon?



Too late.  I made the exact same joke about Kindl on page one. 

#2542658 Lucic has a meltdown as Bruins get smacked by Habs...again

Posted by kipwinger on 20 October 2014 - 03:20 PM


Montreal wouldn't sign an enforcer even if they played in the LNAH.  It's just their team philosophy for the last God knows how many years.



Agreed.  Never. 



#2542648 slava voynov suspended after domestic violence arrest

Posted by kipwinger on 20 October 2014 - 02:54 PM

Wait, does he shoot right?  This should really lower his trade value eh?  Kindl and 7th? 

#2541705 Weiss

Posted by kipwinger on 17 October 2014 - 11:46 AM


Remember the comments after the signing ? It was basically he has to be willing and attempt to a new system here. If you aren't working hard you won't like me (Babcock talking about his coaching), the team...


Babs loves players, that provide a 200 ft game. We will see if Weiss can do that, once he is getting his chance. For his sake he hope he does, otherwise this contract could turn out really bad.


So when you originally said "Babs wasn't too thrilled with the signing" what you meant was "Babs wants Weiss to work hard, learn the system, and play responsible defense or else he won't play"? 


Because those aren't the same thing...at all.  Not even the tiniest little bit. 

#2541690 Lucic has a meltdown as Bruins get smacked by Habs...again

Posted by kipwinger on 17 October 2014 - 11:18 AM

If I was able to use Photoshop I would put his face on groot. But I actually like groot, so I don't know lol.


I was literally thinking the exact same thing.  I was thinking "too bad I can't use photoshop, but I hate Looch sooo much".   Great minds. 

#2541683 Lucic has a meltdown as Bruins get smacked by Habs...again

Posted by kipwinger on 17 October 2014 - 10:42 AM


The big bad beaslty Bruins are big and bad and beasts of the east. And man, that LOOCH guy? He's big AND bad AND tough. Boy oh boy I wouldn't want to mess with that team.





#2541682 10/17 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Maple Leafs 1

Posted by kipwinger on 17 October 2014 - 10:34 AM

Here's one of the walls at Ivy and Coney in Washington, D.C.  How cool is that?  I think I found a home away from home lol.