Kickazz, so are you saying I made up that link that I posted? I maybe edited it to support what I was saying? Please tell me, because you would be dead wrong. I simply searched and that is what I found, was it my fault it was only the last part of the interview? I see you conveniently left out the last part of the interview to support what you said, unlike my link that didn't even have the first part of the interview on it. PLUS if you actually read my post I did say that an MLive article said Babs pushed for him, so I wasn't entirely dispelling what you said, but the article I read stated that his agent called him, not Holland and not Babcock. Now your article says that Commie in return called babcock to find out if he had a chance, and babs told him ya.
Either way, I think we can both agree that during training camp, once again Commie fell out of babs favor and that is why his career ended up the way it did and once your in hot with Babs, you are toast. Just like my original statement, ie. Legwand, Modano, Tootoo, Weiss, etc...etc...
So, even though your article had more information, you still failed to quote the part where Babs wound up treating him like s***, no matter what he told him in July. I believe that Commie should have gone with his gut to say no.
but honestly, do you really think that Babcock would answer him by saying, No, I don't want you, only Holland does, if you sign you will not get a chance to play...do you think that would fly with his GM? I honestly believe Babs was willing to give Commie the chance, but always had in the back of his mind what was really going to happen...the first oops and that was the end. And as we see, it now was.
Commodore is a whiny ***** who sucked so bad he couldn't beat out Kindl for a spot in the lineup so his NHL career ended 13 games after we traded him. 5 different teams sent him to their minor league affiliates over his career. But yeah, it was always the coach just being a dick.
Only girls use wifi... back when hockey didn't suck we used hi-fi
Real hockey was played on icebergs by Vikings with axe blades strapped to their feet who just skated around trying to kill each other with the axe handles. Real radio was a wandering minstrel who sang stirring anthems and ribald ballads for a leg of roast mutton.
Silly debate. Stats are information. A tool. Scouts would use them as much or more than anyone. They've been around for decades. Over the years, more have been added/tracked. Even analytics aren't entirely new. Just a natural progression. More information is always better, provided you can understand the information. The advanced metrics still need a lot of work before we really understand them enough to make good use of them, but once teams start understanding them they will be a valuable resource, and that's why teams are hiring "stat guys". Stats aren't a replacement for scouting, they are a part of it.
For the record, I didn't turn on him...I have disliked him for a looooooooong time. And you all will see, give him the roster spot he will come in score 5 goals in 2 weeks, then take the rest of the year off on LTIR. Oh, and you will less some good prospects FOR FREE...
he may even come in a score 10 goals in 6 games...but that will be it! Head case....
Yes, you have had an irrational dislike for Franzen for some time. At least you're consistent.
But we will not lose "some good prospects". Franzen is one person, taking one roster spot. We will lose, at most, one prospect. Not anyone I would call good either, but whatever.
Seems to me at this point that Franzen will be ready to start on the roster this fall. So all you "I hate Franzen, but feel bad for his booboos" sell outs better be ready for my pro-Franzen sh**-storm.
Franzen is a waist of a money and a roster spot. If he is in the lineup on opening day, we will be less some good prospects...and we would have wasted our time with our draft picks. To lose any one of these players to keep Franzen here for the next five years will be a waste. What are you going to do when Frk, AA, Mantha, and Larkin are due up, do you still keep Franzen? Franzen needs to go now or lose the likes of AA and Frk for sure. You need to get off this Franzen love, he is done, over, not worth keeping, especially when it comes to losing valuable prospects. He was the wrong choice and he continues to show that he is horrible. Sure, he had the concussion last January, but how do you expain the previous 5 years of floating around and s***ting on the ice? You cannot explain it any other way than he is done, over, washed up. Time to cut ties with him now, either LTIR or trade him. No way is losing ANYONE to cap issues worth keeping Franzen for. If Holland does this, then this franchise is doomed... f*** Franzen
Anyhow, if the WIngs plan on moving forward and not losing young players for nothing or being forced to trade them, there has to be casualties at the NHL level. Q, E, K and Franzen, and maybe Smith are ALL great candidates to move in order to secure the kids arrival the next few seasons...
Frk is garbage and can't even stick with GR. I'll bet he never plays an NHL game. We won't lose him because of Franzen, he'll lose us because of his lack of ability.
We keep our best pairing (D and Q). Ericsson plays on third pair where he's less likely to make errors. Smith would be his offensive compliment. Kronwall and Green just raise havoc on top line.
Except possibly the Wings.
On the top pair against top lines Green may wreak havoc but possibly not the kind you're looking for. Green played 19 minutes a game for the Caps (good for 5th in TOI/game) and 2:45 of that was on the PP. He also started in the offensive zone 60% of the time. If he were on the top pair I'm guessing we'd all be pining for the good ol days when Ericsson was there.
Anything could happen and I'm guessing he will be asked to do more on the Wings, but I don't see him on the top pair. Like Helmethead posted, middle pair seems likely, with a ton of PP minutes.
I think Quincey played amazing this last season. I would be totally against moving him at all. I know we need to make some cap space room now, but we just can't lose his toughness and good defensive play.