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#2534175 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Dabura on 13 August 2014 - 03:50 PM

This is a good piece:

 

Core Values: Henrik Zetterberg at center of transitioning Red Wings [Chris Peters, CBSSports.com]




#2534132 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by GoWings1905 on 12 August 2014 - 11:24 PM

 
Yes, yes, I know.  The Wings lost the Cup because of Stuart.  Or was it because of not suspending Malkin?  I can never remember which.  It surely couldn't have been that they got outplayed by a hungrier team. 
 
By pinning the Cup loss on Stuart, you're kinda making my point.  He's definitely an underappreciated Wings player. 


Exactly. People remember the two mistakes Stuart made in Game 7, but not how many shots he blocked that playoff run or 2008 on the PK, let alone all of his years in Detroit. Or how not a single Wings d-man besides maybe E has come close to matching Stuart's PK ability since then.

Physical, sound defensively and the ideal partner to complement Kronwall. Kronner really was able to contribute at a higher level offensively and play more aggressively with Stuart there to cover for him.

It was the perfect deadline acquisition to put the 2008 team over the top. I know there isn't much positive history for comparison, but for me that is easily Holland's best trade since the lockout.


#2534119 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2014 - 05:33 PM

 

And of the Pens 2009 Cup run.  If I ever see Brad Stuart anywhere, I'll do this.......

 

 

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I liked Lapointe.  Good checker, great in the playoffs, cool goatee and the ladies loved him.

 

Then he went to Boston and robbed them of lots of money.  

 

Yes, yes, I know.  The Wings lost the Cup because of Stuart.  Or was it because of not suspending Malkin?  I can never remember which.  It surely couldn't have been that they got outplayed by a hungrier team. 

 

By pinning the Cup loss on Stuart, you're kinda making my point.  He's definitely an underappreciated Wings player. 




#2534144 Helmer: First one to get a herniated disc in the new Season?

Posted by 13dangledangle on 13 August 2014 - 10:04 AM

Booooooring.  Tomas Tatar could do that drunk.


This made me laugh so hard! Well done


#2534110 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by gcom007 on 12 August 2014 - 04:03 PM

 

Yzerman wasn't "The Captain" in 1988, and Gretzky most likely would have been retired (or traded away) by 2002.

 

Hence why I said, "I get how it could've been seen differently at that point in history though, hard as it is to imagine."




#2534099 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 12 August 2014 - 02:50 PM

Brad Stuart

 

The guy was a key piece of the 2008 Cup win. 

 




#2534095 Helmer: First one to get a herniated disc in the new Season?

Posted by rick zombo on 12 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

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#2534092 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by rick zombo on 12 August 2014 - 12:04 PM

 

Jarnkrok was only in North America for half a season before the trade.  It stands to reason we wouldn't be talking about him, most of us had never seen him play one shift of hockey prior to this last season.  There isn't any chatter about Backman either, but not because he's no good.  Nobody's seen him play and he doesn't have a track record in North America to compare things too.

 

So, it could mean we didn't have much to say about a guy we'd never seen.  Or it could be that there's always going to be more to say about losing a good prospect for nothing, than keeping one in your system for a few years.  For instance, I'd have a lot more to say about Andreas Athanasiou if Holland traded him for a guy that walked at the end of a disappointing season. 

 

Exactly. But everone's got something to say now.

 

And the Athanasiou point is valid. Right now he's a prospect that some of us really like. Until he gets traded for Cody Franson and suddenly mutates into "the next awesome player guy".




#2534087 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 12 August 2014 - 11:22 AM

 

Your entitled to you opinion, but don't care pair 11 to the former 11, they're not in the same category. Signing Alfie helps this team (No i don't want to tank)

 

Wasn't comparing them at all. Just saying that 2 old, past their prime forwards, that do us no good for the coming season are gonna be in the starting line-up. Alfie was a good fit for the first half of the season, but was invisible save for the GWG against Pittsburgh in the 2nd half. I just don't see the point, this team isn't going to win the cup, I'd just rather see some kids in the line-up then Alfredsson and Cleary, that's all. He's a good player, just don't see what he adds to a fringe playoff team.




#2534085 Helmer: First one to get a herniated disc in the new Season?

Posted by Euro_Twins on 12 August 2014 - 11:06 AM

Herlmer? Don't remember him being on our team lol. Must be related to hertl.

This must be why bans didn't like tootoo. Always making helm carry the load.


#2534051 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by number9 on 11 August 2014 - 10:22 PM

I think we really lost a great player when it came to Lapointe.  I know the Wings weren't matching that Ludacris contract Boston gave him, but he was being groomed to be the next Captain.  Pound for Pound (thanks Mick!) he was the toughest little son of a B in the league.  He backed down from nobody.  He also could shoot the puck.  We miss players like Marty.  He may not of been my favorite, but he was missed.

 

Lapointe sucks, Lilja rules.




#2533867 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by KATIEBARTHEDOOR24 on 07 August 2014 - 07:15 PM

Under appreciated... That's easy FEDEROV.

Yes he had issues but... Damn the wings would be shot without him.


#2534041 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by number9 on 11 August 2014 - 09:02 PM

I'm not talking fans. Fans go overboard. I'm talking scouts.

 

“He’s probably the best prospect in our organization overall. Whenever he makes the transition overseas, he’s going to be really exciting to watch at the NHL level.” — Red Wings director of player development Jiri Fischer (December 2012)

 

He's been compared to Zetterberg by multiple people within our organization and Zberg is the only player he's ever been compared to by the Red Wings. They've also never pegged him as say, a probable 3rd liner, or probable 2nd liner. From our understanding from the scouts it was always the sky could be the limit with this kid. Now did that change at some point making him expendable? Sure. But I personally doubt it. He was traded just when he was starting to dominate the NA game in GR.

 

I was personally fine with the trade at the time. I wanted to see the streak continue. But now that Leggy is gone and Jarnkrok is gone and the PO's are over, I feel a bit stung by the trade. The Red Wings will be fine without Calle but I'll continue to follow him and his career hoping that he really does dud and the wings knew what they were doing. But everyone who bashes his talent all of the sudden I think are just being homers. 




#2534023 Alfie wants to play

Posted by Red Crazy on 11 August 2014 - 06:07 PM

I like Alfie but this team as it stands today is a fringe playoff team and we might as well play the young guys and give them a look at this point. 




#2534020 Alfie wants to play

Posted by GoWings1905 on 11 August 2014 - 04:49 PM

It won't happen, but I think the Wings should walk away from Alfie. This team is not a championship contender with Alfie back and you are committing money for not only this season, but likely the next one too. All of this for a 42-year-old coming off back issues that isn't likely to play anywhere near most of the games anyways.

I like Alfie and thought he was good (before the Olympics) last year. I don't like him for another season given the makeup of this roster. It just isn't a necessary move. Then again, neither was bringing back Cleary, Quincey or Monster, so of course Holland will pull the trigger.

Basically I'm absolutely opposed to anything that is going to keep Tomas Jurco in Grand Rapids and Alfie returning is another forward in the numbers game. Play the kids and speed up the transition to becoming relevant again. Signing Alfie for a veteran presence is fine if you are contending. Doesn't make any sense for the Wings now.