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#2621909 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by kipwinger on 31 July 2015 - 11:44 AM

 

So you think the contract is bad or no? More examples: Tarasenko at 7.5 or Stepan at 6.5. 

 

Voracek was 5th in the entire league in scoring this last season. And he's big and he's young. I'm saying he pretty much got market value.

 

I think he probably got paid a little too much.  But not terribly so.  I guess my overall point is that for negotiation purposes, contracts for guys like Kane, Toews, and ROR matter.  But in determining a players actual value they don't say much.  All three of those guys got paid the way they did because of externalities.  I guess what I'm saying is, there's a tendency to think "Well if O'Reilly got 7.5 then Voracek is worth 8.5".  Which is how contract negotiations work, I understand, but it's flawed because O'Reilly isn't actually worth 7.5.  He's just worth that to a desperate team. 




#2621904 Voracek gets rich! over 8mil per

Posted by kipwinger on 31 July 2015 - 09:11 AM

I agree with your overall point, but I wouldn't look too much into your examples.  Toews and Kane are worth whatever they want, for the most part.  You can surround them with anybody else and they win you Cups.  The return on investment with those two is insane. 

 

With O'Reilly it's just a matter of a bad team trying to put itself on the map.  Any competitive team wouldn't have paid him that.  But Buffalo desperately needs some legitimacy, to get it you need good players, and to get them (if you're a small market and you suck) you have to overpay.  Guys like O'Reilly ain't going to Buffalo for the girls and the nightlife.




#2621887 Jonathan Quick on snipers, including Datsyuk

Posted by kipwinger on 30 July 2015 - 08:52 PM

Toews is not overrated. He's like zetterberg. He's got superior
Defense, puck control skills, vision, and competitiveness, and above average everything else. He's just not flashy, which makes everybody go gaga but doesnt make someone one iota more "elite". Kopitar is the same way.


#2621873 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 30 July 2015 - 03:36 PM

Neither of Ehrhoff or Franson will sign a one year deal.  I'd stake my poor reputation on it. 




#2621678 Mitch Callahan

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2015 - 08:22 AM

I don't hate Andersson.  He's useful(ish) I guess.  In the same way that Emmerton was.  But he's no more physical, defensively responsible, or speedy than either of Callahan or Ferraro.  Additionally, each of them have shown considerably more upside than Andersson offensively.  His one big plus is that he can, in a pinch, center a line.  But so can Dats, Z, Richards, Sheahan, Helm, Glendening, and Abby or Franzen (in a pinch).  Plus we've got a couple real quality centers in GR who could fill in if need be.  So Andersson's big plus doesn't really have as much utility as it might otherwise. 

 

Andersson's roster spot is not even close to guaranteed.  The fact that he had one in the first place has to do with the fact that A) our centers have been banged up for the better part of two years, and B) Babcock's default preference is defensive responsibility over any other skillset when forced to choose (anybody remember Nestrasil making the opening day roster last season lol?). 




#2621627 Holtby Asking for $8M

Posted by kipwinger on 27 July 2015 - 11:25 AM

The old eyeball test.  Keeping the Earth flat and at the center of the solar system since the dawn of man.  Gotta love it. 




#2621624 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 27 July 2015 - 09:49 AM

I agree completely. Screw the Rangers. 

 

As far as Stepan goes, it's really not too much of a gamble though.  Even if he never improves, you're still getting a 50 point, top six center, who plays great defense, for the prime of his career.  And you'd only be paying him about a million more than his actual value if he never improved at all.  A 50 pt. guy, at Stepan's age, is generally worth 5.5 on today's market, so it's a mild overpayment if does doesn't improve, and a quality contract if he does.  It's not like they're paying for potential here, he's already a very good player, they're just overpaying slightly under the assumption that he'll take the next step. 

 

I'm always happy to slightly overpay for a good player, rather than slightly overpay for an unproven guy.  The risk seems less. 




#2620641 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 15 July 2015 - 12:52 PM

I'm only interested in another defenseman if he's a legit top pair guy.  A game changer.  A winner.  The kind of guy who would throw some punk kid's track suit into the showers without batting an eye. 

 

But where would you find such a defenseman?  Who could he be?

 

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#2620634 Johnny Oduya signs with Stars 2 yrs $3.75 AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 15 July 2015 - 12:42 PM

Oduya isn't better than Ericsson OR Quincey.  He's very comparable to both though.  Signing him and shipping one of those guys out is just shuffling deck chairs. 




#2620365 Mitch Callahan signed 1-year - 600k

Posted by kipwinger on 13 July 2015 - 12:02 PM

I don't think his chances are "slim, to none".  Blashill loves the guy.  Called him "a player you win with".  Used him on the top line in GR.  He'll get every opportunity to break in with the big club. 




#2619996 Gustav Nyquist signed 4-Year Deal $4.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2015 - 03:22 PM

Hopefully this contract will help motivate Tatar as well.  If Gus can cash in like this, Tatar is looking at a hefty raise if he keeps being the better player. 




#2619955 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kipwinger on 10 July 2015 - 01:16 PM

 

See, I don't buy that.

 

Babcock wanted Ouellet on last year's opening night roster. Before we'd signed Green, Ryan Martin said one of the kids would be making the team out of camp. Even now, with Green in the fold and one less spot "available," Kenny has indicated he'd like to start the season with Ouellet or Marchenko on the roster and that he may (but, realistically, surely won't) move someone out for the purpose of freeing up a roster spot for one of the kids. For Kenny to speak to that possibility...it means he himself realizes that starting both Ouellet and Marchenko in Grand Rapids would be pretty much inexcusable, especially given all his talk about how the young players need to take a step forward this season and how we need to get younger and faster as a team.

 

If both Ouellet and Marchenko start the season in Grand Rapids (and, by extension, spend the majority of another season playing against AHLers), it will be because 1) Smith ($2.75M cap hit x 2 years for a 26-year-old third-pairing defenseman who doesn't produce points and makes costly peewee mistakes on the defensive side of the puck) and Kindl ($2.4M cap hit x 2 years for a 28-year-old #7 defenseman who's a disaster in the d-zone) and Ericsson ($4.25M cap hit x 5 years for an error-prone 31-year-old "defensive defenseman") are all pretty much untradable, and 2) it's very important that the promising and NHL-ready young player who will be replacing Legendary All-Star Defenseman Kyle Quincey next season (and is fully capably of replacing him this season) sees as little NHL ice time this season as possible, because development!

 

I think you mean, renegade hardass defenseman Kyle Quincey.  Can baby-face Marchenko, or Le Francais, grow a beard like this?  I don't think so. 

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If Kyle Quincey didn't already rule too much to have a nickname, I'd call him "The Outlander".  Just on the strength of that beard alone. 




#2619812 Pittsburgh: America's hockey capital? Lol

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2015 - 11:55 AM

U.S. Senator calls Pittsburgh "America's hockey capital".  What a maroon!

 

http://www.thehockey...hockey-capital/




#2619805 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by kipwinger on 09 July 2015 - 11:37 AM

McCarty is probably #1 on my list of Red Wings I'd like to have a beer with

 

I HAVE had a beer with him.  He used to regularly come into the main bar I frequented in college.  You'd be disappointed.  He's a wastoid.  It would be like having drinks with Jake "The Snake" Roberts (i.e. better in theory than in fact). 




#2619630 Wings‬ sign left wing Eric Tangradi

Posted by kipwinger on 08 July 2015 - 01:33 PM

This guy was a second round pick.  I wonder if that's because he was any good at hockey in lesser leagues, or if it's because he's a really huge guy.