Remember the comments after the signing ? It was basically he has to be willing and attempt to a new system here. If you aren't working hard you won't like me (Babcock talking about his coaching), the team...
Babs loves players, that provide a 200 ft game. We will see if Weiss can do that, once he is getting his chance. For his sake he hope he does, otherwise this contract could turn out really bad.
So when you originally said "Babs wasn't too thrilled with the signing" what you meant was "Babs wants Weiss to work hard, learn the system, and play responsible defense or else he won't play"?
Because those aren't the same thing...at all. Not even the tiniest little bit.
Lucic had such great timing with making a physical impact in the game. 1:40 left when your team is down a goal??
Taunting the Habs fans. Then gets tossed for yelling at the refs. Nice going big boy. You so smart.
He needs to grow up and not let his emotions get the best of him, make an impact in the game on the ice when it matters most.
In other news: Loved seeing him get bodied down by Emelin early in the game.
I love Emelin. Dude hits like a ton of bricks. What are the odds Marchenko is his cousin or something? That'd be nice.
Could have used Thornton and Boychuk for that game. Habs are a bunch of ******* and as always Price has to bail them out. What happened to the big bad Bruins? If you lose against a hatred rival at least do it in style, fight Weise or but everything that moves. Also laser pointers at a hockey game? Just stupid
Yes, drag Dale Weise out of the press box and KILL HIM!!!! Who cares if he didn't dress for the game, gotta show the league what Boston Strong really means bro!
If there are any Wings fans in the Washington, D.C. area you're more than welcome to join me and some buddies at the Ivy and Coney bar in Shaw for the game. It's a Detroit and Chicago themed bar that serves coneys and local beer. Half of the place is garbage. I'll let you decide which.
So in the preseason goalies don't try to stop the puck?
Preseason play definitely has consequences on who's going to used where and how. It's why Weiss and Cleary are sitting (unless Weiss is secretly injured), and I think it's why Nyquist didn't start on the first line. One of the main reasons there is a preseason is so Coaches can judge players against NHL competition. The fact that Nestrasil scored against Rask in the preseason is a legitimate consideration.
The thing that bothers me most about this is the fact that people are acting like we clearly had multiple superior options. Jurco was 0 for 2 last year, Zetterberg was 0 for 4, Franzen 0 for 2, Nyquist was 0 for 3.
The only players out there last night who scored last year was Tatar (3 for 9) and Helm (1 for 2). Tatar might very well have been the 3rd shooter. We don't know, but I feel that it would be a safe guess.
It really doesn't seem to be that outrageous a choice to put Nestrasil out there when so many of our players have shown that they can't score and Nestrasil scored on the same goalie in a shootout not very long ago.
I didn't realize that Weiss had played so much worse than the 90% of the rest of the team who didn't score in the preseason.
Also, unless Franzen and Zetterberg have never scored shootout goals in their careers (which they have) they're still better choices than a kid who hasn't. Turns out, while they're not spectacular at shootouts, both of those guys have scored shootout goals in the NHL and are more skilled finishers than a checking line rookie.
Finally, as I've said already, using your best shooter (in this case Tatar) third is a mathematically stupid decision. If he shoots first or second he has a 100% chance of getting to take a shot and score. If he goes third there's a chance he doesn't hit the ice. Since he's your best chance at scoring, you probably want to make sure he gets on the ice. Again, there's a reason Datsyuk ALWAYS shoots first and never third. Because he's our best chance at scoring a shootout goal. So even if Tatar was slotted to go third, it's a bad decision by Babcock.
Right but if Marchenko is just going to be the same kind of player anyway, and be on an entry level deal (or bridge deal) for the next 2-4 years, why wouldn't you keep him instead? You get the same thing for a more cost effective price.
All in all though, I personally don't think we need a guy like Petry no matter who's traded for him though. He reminds me of Stralman during UFA. He's a righty, so he's in the discussion, but ultimately he's not what we need. He's not a PP threat, and not overly offensively gifted. If he was a lefty we wouldn't even be talking about him. Our organization is starting to get messianic about a right shot defenseman, but if he's not better than Smith, and he's more expensive, and there's a chance he'd leave, then why pursue him? Just because he's a righty?
As for Backman...I think he's going to be good, his skating and vision (as mentioned) are superb. I'm basing my comments about his size on the interviews during training camp in which he (and the beat writers) were saying he didn't gain weight easily. That he was getting stronger but not noticeably getting bigger. That's all. I'm not trying to knock the guy, I'm sure he's really skilled. He's just skinny.
Personally, I wouldn't trade for any of those guys except Yandle. He's the only one who's OBVIOUSLY better than something we've got already. He's the only one with a dynamic skill set. He's the only one who, simply by virtue of being on the ice, makes us more of a threat. The other guys are slightly above average puck movers with lots of question marks...and we've got those already.
I would gladly trade away Helm for a defender. We have tons of forwards coming up in the next 1-2years but we need help on defense now this season.
I totally agree, provided Stephen Weiss gets to play one day and that's he's actually good when he does.
So your argument is that with the game on the line, Babcock chose Nestrasil because he likes him, not that it was based on something he saw in the shoot out drills they do in practice?
Being a dazzling offensive threat has little to do with scoring in the shootout. Jason Williams anyone?
Or on the flipside, I think OV has mediocre shootout stats given he's one of e best goal scores in the league.
Unfortunately though those realities make it difficult to blame Babcock for everything, like signing Cleary, which he has zero authority to do plus Cleary has been a healthy scratch, which is within Babcock's authority.
You're right. It was completely justified. Babs couldn't possibly have made a bad decision there. If he says Nestrasil gives us the best chance to win last night then he does...because Mike said it. Which is why Nestrasil was picked, he scored, and kept the game within reach...oh wait...no he didn't. Not only was it a questionable decision, it was a questionable decision that had a predictably underwhelming result.
Until Nestrasil scores a single NHL point, resting the game on his scoring ability is probably a bad idea. I know I know. Mike Babcock is a heroic, genius, who's hockey knowledge dwarfs all us peons. Nevertheless I can't help but think it's a bad idea to count on scoring from a guy who has literally never, EVER, done it in the NHL...ever.
I'm the biggest fan of Smith, but clearly Danny Dek was the best tonight. He looks like he could be scary good at some point.
*** for tat really. They were both good. Sadly, I don't think Ericsson is even close to 100%. It's becoming cool for everyone to ***** about him again, but for about three years now he hasn't been turning the puck over regularly. Last night he couldn't pass the puck at all. Got to be the finger.
That's why they are professional athletes, and you are not. They don't think the same way as the rest of us.
I mean, Brad McCrimmon literally gave his life to realize his dream of being a head coach. I would say that nearly every NHL player in the league if given the choice of sitting in the press box every night or getting regular playing time would pick playing every single time.
As we have seen countless times with free agency, players don't always pick the most competitive or the hippest city to play in. I would think most, if not all of them believe they will make the difference in the team and be a part of a turnaround.
McCrimmon gave his life to be a head coach? Are you suggesting that he somehow knew he was going to die, but did it anyway to realize his dream?
Or are you exaggerating for effect?
It's probably a little more accurate to say "he died doing what he loved", or "he died after realizing a life long dream". He didn't really "give his life" for anything as it implies he volunteered to die.
It's easy to see Nes miss in the shoot out and say it was a stupid call but for all we know he could be dazzling every day in practice at the shootouts. Hindsight and all....we can complain if he keeps getting opportunities.
I find it hard to believe that a guy with roughly 15 AHL goals is some dazzling offensive threat and all of us die hard fans have somehow missed it.
Nestrasil went first because Babcock likes him. Same reason Glendening played 17:00 minutes and Cleary got the final roster spot.
I'm sure Babs thought "Nesty" could hard work a goal into the net during the shootout. Turns out he wasn't playing heavy enough...ugh.