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#2628409 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 12:09 PM

I think the "right shooting defenseman" thing has tended to get overblown over the last three years.  Nothing about being a right shooter makes a guy better, or more deserving of a roster spot.  It's a characteristic that, all things being equal, you'd like to have a balance of. 


For instance, Marchenko and Smith were a better pair last year than Smith and Zidlicky.  In one instance having a righty worked, and in the other it didn't make much difference.  If forced to choose, I would rather have seen Smith with another lefty (Ouellet?), or Zidlicky with another righty (Marchenko?), rather than those two together. 


The lefty righty thing is based on all other variables being equal. If you're trying to find a partner for a lefty, and you've got two good guys with similar skillsets, then pick a righty.  But if one guy is a mismatch in every other way, but is right handed, don't give him the spot based primarily on that. 


Just my 2 cents. 

#2628398 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 11:38 AM

I think saying "Jensen is fast...but nothing special" is selling him a bit short.  Jensen has shown he's very effective in transition AND he almost never gets scored on.  Those are pretty important characteristics for a defenseman to have IMO. 


If Jensen is fast, but nothing special, then what are Kindl and Smith?  Fast but nothing specialer?

#2628349 Completely Healthy Roster?

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 09:34 AM

If we'd retained Mike Babcock I would have an entirely different projection for these guys.  In that case I think Ouellet and Marchenko would have had the most upside because they play a Babcockian game.  They're positionally sound, heads up, players who can really pass the puck well from the defensive zone.  In Babcock's system, a defenseman's skating isn't as big of a plus as it is under Blash. 


The other night I watched Ouellet carry the puck into the offensive zone and actually skate down behind the opposition net.  When was the last time you saw a Red Wings defenseman do that?  Any system that encourages that kind of play from the defensemen is necessarily going to prioritize skating, and that gives Jensen and Sproul a platform to use their best assets, something that would have been minimized under Babs (a la Smith and Kindl). 

#2628341 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 08:41 AM

not making the PO , so just the usual then



anti-blash movement will begin in 4 years. calling it. 


Four years from now Jeff Blashill will have just as many Stanley Cups as Mike Babcock does.  Calling it. 

#2628339 Completely Healthy Roster?

Posted by kipwinger on Today, 08:34 AM

From a points per player/fantasy perpective, those lines are good. In a real game though you'd like to have a couple skill guys and then a guy like Helm or Abdelkader to do the "heavy lifting" grinding, puck recovery, net-front presence stuff. The best line I've seen in a few years from the Wings was Z/Dats/Homer, and it worked well because of the blend of styles of the players. I like Helm and Abby playing with guys like Tats and Nyquist. Where I see guys like AA and Mantha coming in is to replace Richard and Franzen. If Mule makes it through this season I would be surprised, and will likely have to take early retirement or a Pronger-type leave. Concussions at his age and with the way he plays don't predict for a long career. 


If Larkin makes it up this year I think that pushes Jurco to the pressbox or traded. Love to see Sheahan - Larkin - Franzen or AA by the end of this year; that would be a deadly 3rd line that would cause lots of match up problems for other teams with the speed of Larkin and AA and the size of Sheahan, who actually has some hands and finish ability (Homer-esque?) of his own to complement Larkin and AA.


Miller could be another press box guy for depth if need be. Cleary should be waived/sent down. Andersson is expendable in the same fashion if you need to free up a spot. Looks like Bertuzzi has more offensive updside than Callahan so when he's ready then Callahan can be flipped/waived too. You keep Glenny around for his PK/4th line center and shut down role he can play


Lines a year from now? Hmm,


Abby - Z - Nyquist

Helm - Dats - Tatar

Sheahan - Larkin - AA

Bertuzzi - Glendening - Nosek/Ferraro


As soon as a spot opens up in that lineup then hopefully Mantha is finally ready and we're reloaded for a while.


The D is a different story, too many players/prospects in the system that seem to be similar - X, Jensen, Marchenko, Sproul... all seem to be 3rd pairing guys. I think here is where we have to flip a couple prospects for a top 1 or 2 D-man and then hopefully sign another top D as a free agent in the next couple years.  If Mantha has a great year in GR then I would try to trade him for a #1 D.  I'm sure he'll be a 20-30 goal scorer in the league but I also think he's soft and a #1 D is tougher to find/draft than a skilled forward and with the development of AA, Larkin, Sheahan, Svechnikov, and Bertuzzi I think we're ok there.



I don't agree with this statement at all.  All of Ouellet, Marchenko, Sproul, and Jensen bring pretty different skill sets and varying degrees of upside.  Jensen will be a second pairing guy for sure.  He moves the puck too well.  Marchenko and Ouellet are 2nd/3rd pair tweeners (depending on their continued development), and Sproul probably has the highest upside, but the greatest probability of failure. 


I don't disagree that we could probably move one or two of them without much harm, but aside from the fact that they're all Red Wings defense prospects, they don't really have much in common. 

#2628054 10/2 Exhibition GDT : Toronto Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by kipwinger on 02 October 2015 - 07:23 PM

Wait until the kid actually gets strong. He's really good now, and he's noticeably smaller than everyone else on the ice. A years worth of pro training and he will be even better.

#2628039 10/2 Exhibition GDT : Toronto Maple Leafs 2 at Red Wings 4

Posted by kipwinger on 02 October 2015 - 06:45 PM

So nice to finally be able to root against Babcock.

#2627981 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by kipwinger on 02 October 2015 - 11:37 AM

They'll eat that s*** up.  He hoodwinked our fanbase for years saying stuff like that.  Imagine how well it will go over in a town that's DYING for someone to say that kind of crap. 

#2627979 Completely Healthy Roster?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 October 2015 - 11:30 AM

What would it accomplish? He's our future #1 center. That's about as set in stone as can be. Trying him at wing has about as much utility as trying Tatar at center.

#2627899 Leafs Announcers Will No Longer Travel With the Team

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 02:14 PM

Maybe they (correctly) thought that nobody listens to, or care about, the radio anymore?


Edit:  Unless you don't call it "radio" and do call it "podcast".  Then it's a hit. 

#2627886 9/30 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 7 at Penguins 2

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 12:19 PM

I definitely think some are likely. If we're being specific to next season, I see Richards, Quincey, Miller and Andersson moving on. I'm not totally sold on Datsyuk retiring a year early; Franzen's more likely. I also think one of Smith/Kindl gets moved this year (or in the offseason), and one gets to finish his contract. I'd prefer to see Ouellet, Marchenko AND Jensen up next season, but I think it'll be two of the three. Sproul's on the outside looking in right now, IMO.

I can see a battle between some of the skilled players, but I think Nyquist is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jurco and Pulkkinen pitted against each other, though. Different style of player, but they're going to feel a push from Mantha and Bertuzzi.

I'm torn on the Helm thing, but I'm definitely hoping for it. It just doesn't make sense to keep him with Larkin and Athanasiou on their way up soon.


I wasn't implying Datsyuk would leave a year early.  Sorry if it came across that way.  I think he'll leave at the end of his contract. 

#2627880 Dylan Larkin Scouting Report

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 10:18 AM

The two guys I think of off the top of my head are Kyle Turris and Claude Giroux.  He's a little bigger than Giroux, but otherwise I like those comparisons.  He's fast, responsible, and sees the ice extremely well.  He's a good shooter, and a great passer.  Plus he thinks really quickly.  I watched him do that little "toe drag/use the defenseman as a screen" move the other night.  It's not exactly groundbreaking, but for a 19 year old to have the presence of mind to do that makes me think he processes the game at a truly high level. 

#2627879 Goalie Battle

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 10:07 AM

Did someone say "goalie battle"?



#2627868 9/30 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 7 at Penguins 2

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 09:09 AM

How in sweet  f*** is Holland going to find room for all these kids over the next 2 years?


Richards will be gone, Datsyuk will retire, Quincey gone, Franzen will retire, Miller will move on, Smith/Kindl/Both will be moved, Andersson will be waived, Helm (may) be traded or allowed to walk. 


We'll be fine. 

I'd even be amenable to letting Nyquist and Pulkkinen battle for the next year or so, and then move the one you don't want to keep. 


Some others might throw Tatar in that group too.  Obviously I wouldn't, because I think he's WAY better than the other two. 

#2627866 Completely Healthy Roster?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 08:46 AM

I agree.  Miller is a good player for what he does.  But he's totally replaceable.  Guys like that get love in Detroit, but not really anywhere else in the league.  They're stuck in this situation where they're too good to make entry level money, but replaceable enough that teams don't really want to give them a raise. 


While Miller is probably better than Ferraro (for instance), I don't think he's so much better that it would make the extra money worth it.  But that's not a knock on Miller.  There are tons of guys I feel that way about.  In today's cap world, with your core players eating up a larger and larger percentage of your available cap space, you have to find cost savings where you can.  One of those ways is to try and always have role and depth players on entry level (or near league minimum) contracts.  The other way is to not have a ton of money wrapped up in a goalie (looking at you NY Rangers).