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#2686450 9/27 Exhibition GDT : Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 07:49 PM

 

Based on one exhibition game?

 

Been calling for it for a while.  He can get hit by pucks just as well as Miller or Ott.  The only difference is he might score once in a while. 




#2686447 9/27 Exhibition GDT : Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 07:42 PM

If Callahan doesn't get a roster spot over Ott or Miller I'llf****** puke. 




#2686353 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 26 September 2016 - 07:01 PM

Ugh.  I really hate to get into the trade for Trouba hype, but this just makes too much sense to me.  We need a young righty defenseman.  The Jets want an established left shooting defenseman, and the Ducks want(ed?) a left wing PP specialist?

 

To Detroit:

Trouba

 

To Winnipeg:

Fowler

 

To Anaheim:

Nyquist+




#2686319 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 25 September 2016 - 05:16 PM

He would have been the 1D on most NHL teams between 2009 and 2014. Sure there were some better 1D in the league, but not that many. I'd say he was somewhere between the 10th and 15th best defenseman in the league over that period. He wasn't elite, no, but neither are a lot of 1D.


#2686310 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 25 September 2016 - 04:02 PM

Maybe in the sense that it allowed him to play on the 2nd pair, but they pretty much never played together, if that's what you meant.

 

I think Lids actually think made Kronwall look worse because people point of comparison was one of the best Dmen of all time. I think Kronwall was a fine #1 when he first made the switch, but injuries have quickly taken him off that level in recent years.

 

Agreed.  It's fashionable to paint Kronwall as a career #2 guy who was in above his head, but that definitely wasn't the case.  His defense, point production, and powerplay contributions easily made him a legit #1 for a few years there.  If you can man the powerplay, play 20+ minutes a night, and score 40+ points a season you're a legit top defenseman.  Was he as good as Doughty, or Keith, or Subban?  No, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a top guy.




#2686127 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 September 2016 - 05:18 PM

My ideal lineup with the guys we have:

Z-Neilsen-Vanek
Tatar-Larkin-Abby
Nyquist-AA-Mantha
Glendening-Helm-Sheahan

Jurco
Frk

Callahan or Bertuzzi as first call ups if a fourth liner gets hurt. Jurco and Frk draw in with Mantha if he struggles and/or there's an injury to a top 9 winger and either Mantha or Nyquist need to move up.


#2686125 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 September 2016 - 05:06 PM

I don't care how much Ott wanted to be a Red Wing. I still hate this signing. I remember a few years ago when Cleary was still on the team and the overriding sentiment was that he was better than any AHL alternative would have been. Then he went to the AHL and was just as bad as he was in the NHL. That's exactly how I feel about Ott. He's pretty much washed up. I'd MUCH rather have Callahan in that spot. He can do everything Ott can do, but more cheaply. AND he'd probably score more given how underrated his offense is.


#2686044 2016 World Cup of Hockey thread

Posted by kipwinger on 18 September 2016 - 03:16 PM

 

I wonder how many casual sports fans in Russia have ever heard of Datsyuk?  I was there several months ago, and Ovechkin is a celebrity there, despite playing in the NHL.  

 

The last time I was in Russia I was talking with some locals and told them I was from Detroit.  They all immediately said "Datsyuk".  I realize that it's just an anecdote, but I got the impression he's a pretty big star. 




#2685992 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 17 September 2016 - 01:22 PM

Also can we please, PLEASE, stop forcing every big guy to be a "net front presence"?  From Khan's "Mantha" article:

 

"Last year was a good first year for me to do net-front. It was the first time for me practicing it," Mantha said. "I worked on tips a lot during practices, just getting the feel of being in the right position in front of the goalie's eyes. It could be a good advantage for me, being 6-4, 6-5."

 

This kid is a skilled shooter.  I don't care that he's big.  You're taking his best weapon (shot) away from him by sticking him in the crease.  Let unskilled guys bang in rebounds.  You don't see Rick Nash, Blake Wheeler, or James Neal standing in front of the net on the PP just because they're big. 




#2685393 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 02 September 2016 - 04:01 PM

20-25 goals isn't great, it's pretty realistic. The people who were saying he'd score 30 or 40 were predicting greatness, awake with the people calling Larkin Toews with speed and taking about how elite he is/will be, or AA can't be traded unless they get OEL or some established Norris candidate.


Or like the people talking about Trouba and Fowler like they're already legit 1D instead of moderately good players with some potential?

You're doing the same exact thing your chastizing others for.


#2685373 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 02 September 2016 - 10:32 AM

Mrazek is already a better NHL goalie than Trouba is an NHL defenseman.  Anybody who is willing to make that trade is dramatically overestimating Jacob Trouba.




#2685185 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 29 August 2016 - 07:31 PM

So you'd trade any player for a better player?  How profound. Nobody is arguing against that meaningless platitude.  This whole conversation spawned from a discussion about trading our top prospects for one of Trouba, Fowler, or Shattenkirk.  None of whom are top defensemen.  That's where your scenario falls apart, as has been pointed out.  But you keep beating this drum for some reason. 

 

Despite all the gushing over these guys from the LGW faithful, all of Trouba, Fowler, and Shattenkirk have real holes in their games.  Trouba, for instance, has been heralded as a "potential 1D" despite showing Danny Dekeyser like offensive skills during his pro career.  None of these guys are top defensemen on their teams.  The fact that they'd be a top defenseman on our team doesn't make them better players, it just means we're not that great.  If your 1D is worse than all the other 1D around the league you're still at a relative loss.  And that's BEFORE you factor in the fact that you lost a top prospect to make it happen. 

 

I'd have been happy to trade for ANY of them if we'd landed a decent offensive player in FA.  Replacing Nyquist or Tatar with Okposo would have made one of them expendable.  And a trade would have made sense.  But doing it now, with a top prospect, is a recipe for disaster. 




#2684985 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 23 August 2016 - 04:42 PM

Anybody read the NHL.com "5 Questions" article with Ken Holland? I liked that they're planning to start Zetterberg with Nielsen, but a bit disappointed that he didn't mention AA when talking about prospective centers. I'm going to be really irritated if they develop that kid into a winger.


#2684883 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 August 2016 - 07:06 PM

Beyond that, nobody said every prospect SHOULD be traded, or that a top prospect should be traded for a small upgrade. But that's where a GM needs to have an understanding of his own talent pool, so you know you can trade Fleischmann or Matthias but not Datsyuk or even a guy like Homer.

 

Which is exactly what we did.  Traded Fleishmann and Matthias, but not Datsyuk and Homer.  So what are you complaining about?  You're advocating for the EXACT trade strategy employed by our current management.

 

Also, I wouldn't go touting the Fleishmann trade as if it was some kind of ideal.  We gained Lang, who underwhelmed in two seasons, and lost Fleishmann and a pick (that turned out to be Mike Green).  We'd have been MUCH better off not making that trade.  Which is EXACTLY my point.  The grass isn't always greener when trading prospects for established talent. 




#2684874 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 August 2016 - 06:19 PM

Trouba isn't even the best d-man of the three.  That's Shattenkirk, and there's a reason why he's being traded despite producing better than Pietrangelo since being traded to St. Louis. 

 

Everybody is so bonkers for a defenseman they've dramatically overestimated these guys' values.  St. Louis, Anaheim, and Winnipeg ALL have better defenses than us.  None of them have won anything.  And these are the three guys they're looking to get rid of (supposedly).  There's a reason for that.  None of them make us much better, if at all.