Once Pav is back, you've got Z, Tatar, Gus, Franzen, Abby, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and maybe Helm all competing for winger spots on the top three lines. I don't think Pulkkinen is necessarily the lowest on the depth chart, but he's at the lower end. So I don't think he'll get enough minutes to consistently score goals. I'm looking for around 15 from him this season, and about the same number of assists.
I would be very upset for sure! But there is another player who's name can be inserted in place of Cleary's and it would all mean the same...hasn't been useful in 3-4 years, its not 2009 anymore, at one point was a good locker room guy, just showing up to collect a paycheck...yet, everyone thinks this player will somehow channel his old self and return to his glory days!
I don't want either of them on this team, but for arguments sake, why is it not out of the realm of possibility to think that Cleary could also channel his old self? I doubt it will happen, just like I doubt the other player will either...at least there is mention of sending Cleary to GR to avoid losing a prospect to waivers for him....again...or will he?
Because Cleary didn't score 22 points in 33 games last season. He scored 2 points in 17 games. Franzen scored 11 times the points in just under half the amount of games Cleary played. That's why it's reasonable to expect points from Franzen and not from Cleary. Obviously.
Your insistence that Franzen is washed up, and that he's somehow comparable to Cleary is completely and totally absurd.
I'm sure your heart is bleeding for the future of Johan and the rest of the Franzen family. I mean, sometimes you have to save people from themselves.
It seems pretty clear he wants to play. It seems a little less clear, but still reasonably clear, that he'll be allowed to try. And it seems mostly clear that he'll make this team better. So I honestly don't see what the problem is. Why not get on board the bandwagon and wish him luck, for all the good agonizing over it will do you?
Anybody remember that old guy in Monty Pythons Holy Grail who keeps assuring his son he's fine, but the son's adament that the geezer will be "stone dead in a minute"? That's how I'm beginning to see this Franzen thing. Half the folks around here seem more sure of the peril than franzen, his doctors, or the organization.
"I'd probably have player if we had beaten Tampa."
"No, no. Your career and life are in jeopardy."
" I'm practicing again."
"Wrong, you're minutes away from being a vegetable."
I didn't see anybody talking about "quality of life" when Yzerman could barely skate (or walk). I'd imagine that affected his ability to play with his kids, or hell, even get out of bed. Yet he was gutsy, team first, leader for hanging on long past his prime, even as his contract, production, and presence became increasingly prohibitive. His best seasons in the latter years were only as good as what Franzen is doing now, mostly for more money.
Ericsson's contract isn't bad. He's a modern day Brad Stuart. A top four, stay at home defenseman is going to cost you 4.2 million these days.
I agree that he's in a little over his head as a top pair defenseman, but that doesn't make his contract bad. It just means we don't have other options, he's been forced into a role he isn't suited for, and has been exposed a little as a result.
Edit: For comparison's sake, Ericsson plays nearly the exact same role, with mostly the same results, for mostly the same money, as guys like Dennis Seidenberg and Willie Mitchell. Each suffer from many of the same pitfalls and shortcomings as Ericsson does. None of the three, by the way, should be top pair defensemen.
I know that the general opinion these days is that Zetterberg should play on Datsyuk's wing. And I'm not even against that really. Or at least starting the season that way. But eventually I'd like to see Zetterberg line up next to Richards.
First, because stylistically I think they'd play well with one another. Both are supremely slick offensive players who read the game insanely well. I think they'd give teams fits the way Selanne and Koivu did for Anaheim a couple years ago.
Secondly, because Tomas Tatar is the best scoring winger we've got. He already plays well with Datsyuk, and I'd hate to see his ice time reduced because "let's reunite Dats and Z, that worked 8 years ago". Tatar with Datsyuk and not Helm (Abby) is a legit first line with scoring potential. A full season on the top line and Tatar will be the first Wing since Franzen and Hossa to score 30+ goals. Something I don't see Zetterberg doing this year, no matter whose line he's on.
LOL, power forward...find us a goal of his where he even came close to battling and scoring a dirty goal while being a "beast" in front of the net. I will give him his scoring props back in the day, but even at his size, he was never a power forward, he was always a finesse scorer from the slot.
I stopped watching after the first four goals, since they were all scored in and around the crease. So here are four, off the bat.
I'm going to go on record as saying an 8th seed can't win the Cup. Not "can't" as in a mathematical truth, or a scientific law. But "can't" in the practical sense of the word. If you're betting on the NHL playoffs, and you're regularly betting on the 8th seed, you are stupid. They aren't going to win. They did once, and so dummies will repeat "get into the playoffs and anything can happen", but the truth is that it can't...or at least won't. The fact that it happened in the extremest of minority times proves that it's possible, but it's so improbable that it might as well be a closed topic.
It's like when the Red Sox came back from three games down against the Yankees, and then went on to win the World Series. Sure, they did it. It's possible. But it's so improbable as to be almost entirely useless as any sort of example.
Every mention of the 2012 Kings makes me cringe because people constantly bring it up as if it's indicative of something. When I used to teach college freshmen they did a similar thing all the time. If I were to say, "African American's overwhelmingly vote Democrat" you can bet your ass some kid would raise his hand and say "well, my uncle Ricky is black and he's a Republican". And it was everything I could do to not scream in his/her face "NOBODY GIVES A s*** AND IT DOESN'T MATTER!".
He won head to head against Stamkos and out produced him Babs matched him up against Stamkos line and he did a great job, Tyler Johnson scoring all those goals was just showcasing our s***ty defense.. Pav played like a number one center all of last year and idk how or why you think he's done, we won't know if he's still a number one center until he fully recovers from that ankle.
You keep saying Pav shut down Stamkos, but read the article I linked. Cooper was actively targeting Datsyuk's line with his most potent offensive line. It's right there in the article. Babcock even acknowledged it. You're being fairly revisionist here. Pav only matched up against Stamkos when we played at home, and that's because Babs' intentionally put Glendening out against Johnson. On the road (i.e. the majority of the games), he was matched up against Johnson, and didn't really fair that well.
As far as Pav being a number one center, I don't disagree. Of course he is, we don't have anyone better. But your first and second line centers are SUPER important to winning a cup, and I don't believe that a 37 year old center with increasingly problematic injuries, is going to win a Cup for us. Especially given the fact that he's coming off a pretty serious ankle surgery.