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#2676392 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

It makes sense to pay $6M and + for Okposo (20 goalso while playing with Tavares).

It makes sense to pay $5M for locker room cancer Radu.

It doesn't makes sense to pay $10M for the second best goalscorer in today'so NHL???

 

This whole "He played with Tavares" argument is false.  Okposo's primary center this season was Neilsen, and he scored more of his points with Neilsen than Tavares.  When Okposo played with Neilsen their overall possession numbers improved over when they were apart.  The same is true of when he played with Tavares.  Tavares improved Okposo's corsi, BUT Okposo improved Tavares' corsi as well.  Which shouldn't come as a surprise.  When you put guys who compliment each other together the sum tends to be greater than the individual parts. 

 

http://stats.hockeya...2015-16&sit=5v5

 

None of this is new though.  This argument has been invalidated just as often as it has been true.  Crosby is the best center Kessel ever played with, and Kessel actually scored WAY MORE after they were split up.  Likewise, Datsyuk is the best center Hossa ever played with and yet none of Hossa's five most productive seasons were on Datsyuk's wing. 

 

Saying "player X only scored as much as he did because he played with player Y" is only sometimes true, and absolutely isn't in Okposo's case.

 

Edit:  AND Okposo's best points/60 came on Brock Nelson's wing.  Not Tavares' OR Neilsen. 




#2676209 Mantha

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2016 - 09:27 PM

Good point, and let's not kid ourselves, we missed a guy like Franzen this year big time. Imagine how well he would have contributed to offensive zone time, and as a result, total offense this year.

If Mantha becomes another Franzen I'll be thrilled.


#2676208 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2016 - 09:23 PM

I don't believe you need some magic recipe to win a Cup. There are far too many intangibles to be formulaic about it. Look at St. Louis, who just trounced Chicago and Dallas despite having Jori Leterha as a top line center and Brian Elliott in goal.

Hell you could even argue that Chicago, all during their Cup runs, only had one out of three top center, goalie, OR defenseman. Meanwhile, Los Angeles probably has all three and missed the playoffs last year and got waxed this year.

Acting like landing an elite center, to the exclusion of other parts, makes us closer to contention ignores the fact that tons of top centers don't have Cups. Thornton, Spezza, Seguin, Stamkos, Sedin, Backstrom, have zero cups between them.

Conversely, our only recent cup win saw zetterberg on the wing, and our three best players were Franzen, Z, and the much maligned Osgood.

In my opinion its better to have a disproportionately good team, not a disproportionately good player. Signing a guy like Stamkos at 10 million all but ensures we can't address other needs.


#2676185 New Anthem for 2016-2017 season

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2016 - 04:10 PM

This year I wanted far less hockey than I have in over 10 years. You can not even get excited for a goal anymore because you just have to wait for it to be reviewed. So many times they cant even get the replay call right. They have slowed down and made the game much less exciting. Baseball is doing the exact same thing.


You're obviously entitled to feel however you like, but I think hockey was awesome this year. You have tons of good young rookies to watch. The rise of new powerhouse teams in Dallas and Florida. Ovie scored 50 again. Almost every playoff series has been brutal and close. And teams like Los Angeles and Chicago fell off. I probably watched more NHL hockey this year than I have in a decade.


#2676058 Grand Rapids Griffins Playoff Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 May 2016 - 07:21 PM

Rychel is a tough dude too. Knows how to fight.


#2676054 Grand Rapids Griffins Playoff Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 May 2016 - 06:56 PM

I wish they reported possession metrics for the AHL. I'd love to see how the young guys shape up in that department. I'd imagine Sproul and Russo lead the way, but it would be cool to see how they stack up against the rest of the league.


#2676049 Grand Rapids Griffins Playoff Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 May 2016 - 06:34 PM

So pumped to see Sproul playing like a stud. It'll be hard not to factor him in to next years defense corps.


#2676044 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 May 2016 - 06:07 PM

I'd rather we sign Okposo and Radulov than Stamkos and either of the other two. Gives us more money to accommodate a defenseman if we can trade for one. Stamkos is going to be a VERY expensive 70 point player.


#2676042 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 16 May 2016 - 05:53 PM

I don't want to see Larkin or AA on the wing next season. They are future centers and need to be playing there. I agree with limiting Zetterbergs ice time though. in the scenario above I'd but Zetterberg with AA and Bertuzzi, Tatar with Larkin and Mantha, and Radulov with Stamkos and Abby. But honestly I don't really see us signing stamkos, so its a moot point.


#2675999 Datsyuk - someone who works for JLA told me he's sold his house

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2016 - 02:23 PM

Meh.  Pavs should go enjoy his retirement and the Wings should transition into a new era.  This will hasten it.  I'm not too broken up about it. 




#2675694 ECF : Tampa Bay Lightning vs. Pittsburgh Penguins

Posted by kipwinger on 10 May 2016 - 10:37 PM

Ugh, this made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.


#2675653 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by kipwinger on 10 May 2016 - 06:19 PM

One thing that I think is super important for both Houda, and whoever we sign to coach the offense, is a knowledge and embrace of how modern analytics can/should inform coaching. I don't know where any of the candidates stand on the topic though.


#2675549 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by kipwinger on 09 May 2016 - 10:37 PM

Another reason I like Todd Richards is because young centers have tended to do well in his offensive scheme. None of Johansen, Jenner, or Dubinsky are superstars, but they've performed well under his offense, and I'd love to see what he could do with Larkin and AA. Then get a defensive coach that really understands puck possession and transition and we are set. Don't really know who I like for a defensive coach though.


#2675504 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by kipwinger on 09 May 2016 - 04:24 PM

I think that given the amount of roster and management turnover we are expecting right now, its a perfect time to take stock of what we have, identify what kind of team we want to be, and then make player and coaching decisions based on that new identity. I don't think its smart to bring guys in because of their names or previous experience (though I do want some experience, no rookies).

For instance, if we don't envision ourselves as a Randy Carlyle type team, then we would be dumb to hire him. Regardless of his experience. We need to figure our what we have, what we want to be, and then hire the right people to make it so.

Personally, I like Todd Richards. His teams play fast and aggressive and I like that given our lineup. But that's just me. There's also a connection there, he used to work with Tyler Wright in Colombus.


#2675465 Jim Bedard gone... Ferschweiler demoted

Posted by kipwinger on 09 May 2016 - 11:38 AM

Great news on Firschweiler. I liked Bedard, but he's been here forever. Any chance Osgood takes over? Would he be any good in a coaching role?...


Gotta be better than Osgood in a broadcasting role. Anything to get him out of the booth.