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#2611370 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 11:04 AM

If they're smart they'll let Babs decide which guys he wants to build around, and trade everyone else.  They absolutely HAVE to trade one of Phaneuf or Kessel though, in order to get an additional first rounder.  This would also go a long way toward ensuring that they'll suck enough to get a HIGH pick next season.  The worst thing that could happen is for them to be mediocre.  Or heaven forbid, make the playoffs in the 8th seed and lose early.  Then they won't get anything worth a damn. 


With their normal first rounder, plus the one they get for Dion or Kessel, they need to take centers.  Good centers.  Because their center depth is trash.  And if your only quality offensive players are wingers, you're in trouble. 

#2611059 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:24 PM


Sometimes a midseason coaching change from a bad coach, or a coach that's burned his team out, can re-energize a team.  Sometimes the team continues to suck.  Babcock isn't a bad coach, though, and even though some guys probably didn't like him or disagree with decisions he makes, you can say that about any coach.


And sometimes a midseason coaching change "re-energizes" a team because a new coach with a new approach is exactly what they need to play better than they were before.  Why are you so insistent that the coaching change part of the formula is incidental to the success part?

You're acting like the Red Wings were maxed out on potential, and that there's no possible way to get more out of them than Babcock already was.  I don't agree.  As I've stated above, one obvious way to improve the team is by scoring more goals at even strength.  Something that Babs is bad to mediocre at.  Is it really impossible to think that Blashill can't get more offense out of the team?  And if he does, what affect would that have?  A huge one when you consider our abysmal overtime and shootout record. 


Nope. I just don't tend to take such minor things so seriously. I also don't take every single word I read in my day to day life to its absolute literal meaning. Lighten up, and keep the thread on topic.



You'll have to forgive me.  I got a warning today for calling someone a "Babcock Slappy", which is apparently a "personal insult".  So I'm not exactly sure where the line is. 

#2611054 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:13 PM

I feel like I'm one of about three people who actually stick up for him every time he comes up.

He still scores more than Jurco.
Which kinda seems like his replacement.

Blash should teach Jurco to be a center too.
Franzen was actually really damn useful.
Didn't he used to penalty kill too?


He occasionally was used on the PK.  But not regularly. 


He scored 22 points in 33 games last year prior to his injury.  He's a useful player.  No doubt. 

#2611052 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:11 PM


No, it was just a descriptive word I used to describe someone being happy about being right lol. Nothing negative meant by it. 


In the end, at some point the Wings will slump (as all teams to) and some will find a way to turn it into Holland's fault for Babs leaving  :lol:


Do you prance around when you're right about things?  I don't.  I guess because I've been right before.  The novelty has worn off. 

#2611047 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:07 PM

It's amazing how much disdain this guy generated for some, and now that he's hurt and possibly retiring it's magically disappeared.

Don't worry guys, he'll come back so we can discuss buying him out again


"I hope the Wings buy out that weak, lazy, imp of a player right now.  What a girl!"


6 months later...


"I hope, for his sake, he decided to retire.  He really needs to think about his children, and the quality of his life.  It's too important to be taking such risks with your health.  I worry for him". 



#2610987 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 09:02 AM

I realize that there's all sorts of residual hate from the rivalry (or what was left of it), but I really don't understand hating the Blackhawks and wanting teams in our conference (and particularly our division) to win.  Firstly, because f*** anybody else in our division.  But secondly, because the Hawks play (and win) EXACTLY like we used to.  They're the Red Wings.  If anybody should be able to appreciate just how good they are at what they do, it's us.  If you'd just thrown Red Wings sweaters on the Hawks last night, it could have easily been confused for the 2009 conference semis. 


Maybe that's the reason why, now that I think about it. 

#2610761 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 May 2015 - 11:49 PM

Nope...now its just the "blash isn't going to be as good as everyone is hoping and everyone is a bunch of idiots if you think he is going to even be good.we are going to suck even worse this next season." rhetoric

On the contrary, I predict that we'll be better.  Much better.  I predict we'll have a better regular season record than last year AND we'll win a playoff series. 

#2610379 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 10:31 AM

In retrospect, I was hard on Devellano in this thread.


This is a man who produced one of the greatest drafts in NHL history in 1983, when he drafted Yzerman, Probert, Kocur, Grimson and Klima.  


There's a lineup I'd go to war with.   ;)  I'm guessing the Wings must have been bullied in 1982.  


Devallano knows what he's talking about.  He was brought in to build a successful franchise and he built the most successful one in the NHL.  People just rail against him because he criticized someone who is popular.  And folks don't like that.  It's not enough that the Wings, or the Griffins, be good.  They have to be good with our favorite players too.  Because if our favorite players turn out to be no good, what does that say about our own judgement?


What's true of Holland in the other thread is true of Devallano here.  Nobody has had as much success with the modern Wings than these guys have had.  More than Bowman.  More than Babcock.  More than Yzerman, or Lidstrom, or everybody else. 


I think 30 years of unparalleled success affords you the right to say whatever the hell you want about a 20 year old prospect. 

#2610368 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

Ken Holland has been with the organization for 30 years.  18 of which he's been the GM.  He started as as scout, then the director of scouting, then the assistant GM, then the co-GM, and then the full GM.  It's not a coincidence that he was hired just prior to the Wings beginning an epic playoff streak. 


To try and dismiss his contributions to the organization as anything less than profound would be an absolutely gross understatement.  He's been more important to this team's success then any other individual. 


If you hire a GM from outside the organization, you can argue he's riding coattails.  But it's a little hard to say that about a guy who's been a member of the Red Wings longer than Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. 


To a lesser extent, this is true of Stan Bowman as well.  Sure Tallon was the GM before him.  But he started with Chicago in 2001 when they were a garbage team.  Unless he was just standing around playing with himself for 8 years he likely contributed to their assent.  Is he entirely responsible?  No.  But he's contributed from the bottom up. 


Yzerman doesn't deserve much credit for that first conference finals appearance as he had just come in from outside the organization and had been with the team for less than a year.  But he deserves credit for every single other success they've had since. 

#2609780 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 06:01 PM

I'm excited for both the Wings and the Leafs. Honestly, guys...what is with all the Leafs hate? Nobody who claims to love this game would want Detroit's historic rival to languish in the league basement for decades. I personally look forward to Babcock coaching a team that actually is a challenge for the Wings to play.

Because they are in our division. And I don't want anyone else in our division to win...ever.

#2609717 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 01:43 PM

If you watch the Detroit presser, they're keeping the Detroit home and his wife will still be able to be in Detroit. The fact that Toronto and Detroit are 4 hours apart definitely played a part in the decision. He did take his family's input in this decision. I think that's why BUF, TOR, DET were the final options. Anywhere else and they couldn't be so connected to their current home/community of friends. The wife is the boss comment was a joke.


Your trying to pin him down as a liar and make this into a messy breakup thing and it really doesn't seem to fit. He said that money was a factor from the beginning. He said he wants to win, but that doesn't necessarily mean right away. He wouldn't have gone some place that doesn't have a vision/commitment for prolonged success that he believed


He chose to leave and that's fine. From all the pressers I just get a sense that from the beginning he just thought it might be time to move on - a new challenge. On the fan's side many felt a similar thing. Babcock did a lot for the team and I would hate for the legacy to turn into - but he just shunned us and followed the cash. It doesn't seem like that to me.


Watching you run down all his comments and try to pin down inconsistencies demonstrates to me why I think Babcock will have trouble with the Toronto media. He speaks honestly and not with well planned PR soundbites.


Anyway, bring on Blashill! this whole thing has made me incredibly excited for next year! It does feel like turning a page and have the possibility of a new energy within the team. 


As I've already said, I don't think he's a liar.  I think that $50 million dollars is a universal motive.  You can say your decision will be about other things.  You can mean it when you say it.  But when someone offers you 50 million bucks to do something different, you change your mind. 


He said his decision would be based on X,Y,and Z, and then went to a team that didn't have X,Y,and Z but DID offer him the hugest contract. It's pretty simple. 


My problem isn't with Babs.  It's with the way everybody is bending over backward to make excuses for the guy.  Tons of people "do it for the money", he did too.  Why is there some compulsive need to shield Mike Babcock from criticism?  Particularly if the "criticism" isn't even that big of a deal. 

#2609687 Babcock says good-bye in full page ad. SIAP

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 11:48 AM


I was glad he said that.  I know he said it originally as a joke but the whole thing about "his wife being the boss" irked me.  


Take responsibility for your decision.  Even if it is your wife saying no way in hell I'm going to Buffalo, you still say it was your decision and not put it on her.  


It was the right thing to say considering she didn't want to leave.  Like you said, own your decision.  You wanted to leave Detroit.  Not your wife. 

#2609641 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 10:28 AM

Slava Fetisov, former Red Wing defenseman and star of the wildly popular documentary "Red Army", wants Russian law to ban Russian hockey players from coming to the U.S. before their 28th birthday. 


You'll recall Fetisov's story.  He bucked Soviet law preventing him from coming to the U.S. to play hockey, by refusing to play for their national team.  In the documentary he explained how he wanted to be free to make his own decisions, make his own money, and determine his own future, without being coerced by federal authorities. 


And now he's a federal authority.  And he's trying to restrict young players from having those very same liberties. 


Here's a thought Slava.  Rather than using a draconian legal system to force people to stay against their will, how's about you work toward reforming said legal system, and equally restrictive and authoritarian economic policies, so that people will WANT to stay in your s***ty country.  You are, after all, a Senator. 


What a dick.



#2609639 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 10:18 AM

I don't think we need to land a top guy.  We've already got Kronwall.  We just need to upgrade, where possible. 


Look at Tampa Bay's defense.  Yzerman was criticized pretty heavily for wrapping up so much money in non-impact defensemen like Carle, Stralman, Garrison, and Coburn.  None of those guys are really "top guys", but collectively they're better than any other alternative Tampa had.  And they're playing good enough to win. 

#2609626 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 09:16 AM


Not necessarily. I'd agree with you but there wasn't a bidding war from the Leafs side according to Shanny and Babs. The Leafs made the offer before Babcock was heading to Prague. The only one that raised their offer were the Red Wings. If you believe that is of course your choice, but I haven't seen any media piece that says otherwise. What does it tell us ? Well, Babs didn't demand that kind of money and I'm sure he'd still choose the Maple Leafs if we matched that offer or if the Leafs offer wasn't better than our first.


"It all comes down to cash" is a too simple answer.  Decisions are made because of a number of reasons. Money may have played a role, but all the other factors mentioned here in the thread and by Babs were probably more significant. If everything came down to money no one would have blamed Babs if he said so. He could have just sat in the presser and told the media that the Leafs made the best offer money wise. Would you blamed him ? I sure wouldn't. Almost nobody would. Instead he made lengthy explanation that sounds reasonable for a guy like him.


He did say that in the presser.  He said that Toronto made an offer he couldn't refuse.  Every other thing he said would factor into the decision went right out the window when that offer was made. 


He said his family's input would make a difference.  They wanted to stay.  He left.

He said he didn't want to be part of a rebuild.  Toronto is rebuilding.  He signed.

He was concerned about Detroit's future prospects.  Ours are better than Toronto's.  He signed with them.

He said he wants to win.  Went to one of the league's worst franchises.


I'm not even lambasting the guy.  I'd have left for that money too.  I'm just wondering why everybody feels the need to act like this was all about something it wasn't. 


Detroit has a long history of people who have PROVEN that they'd rather win than make the most money.  Not just said it.  Did it.  They've done it over and over and over.  From Holland to all of our star players, each could have made more money if they'd hit the free market.  They chose not to because they liked being here, and so they were willing to take less. 


But Mike Babcock isn't one of those guys.  He's not Nick Lidstom.  He's Sergei Fedorov.  Nothing wrong with Sergei, great Wing, great player, decent guy.  Same with Babs.  But they both chased the money.  Plain and simple.