Here's the part that gets me. If I'm Smith, and I just got beat like a circus elephant, and I'm rushing back on a guy who's clearly about to tap in the game winning goal I don't love tap him into the net and let him get a stick on the puck...I wipe him out completely, take the penalty, and save the goal. Not touching him at all ends in a goal, touching him a little bit ends in a goal, destroying his life saves a goal.
I'm not blaming Brendan for not doing it, I just wish he had.
I find it hilarious that you guys look at a bad bounce over his stick and say he was terrible this game. It was a bit of a risky play but that was a brutal bounce. And once again Dekeyser has a bunch of turnovers in a game and hes still the golden boy while Smith is the reason the wings lost.
Kip you clearly have an agenda if you dont think he played good in the Pittsburgh game
Guilty. I do have an agenda. It's called using video and statistical evidence to prove to everyone that Smith's not ready to be a top pair defenseman. Good work detective, you caught me red handed.
I think probably the reason why people give Dekeyser a break are twofold. First, he actually plays defense. Secondly, none of his turnovers led to the game winning goal for Columbus.
Edit: Also watch the video at the link below starting at 3:08. It wasn't a bad bounce at all, the Columbus forward chipped it over Smith's stick (as Smith desperately lunged for the puck rather than getting back) and had nothing but space and time. Why oh why do people feel the need to constantly make excuses for this guy?
They also don't have 11 AHL players in the lineup. Take away Boston's entire top 6, plus another defensemen and let's see how they do. Easy to say other teams that are healthy top players always perform when the Wings have maybe 6 regular NHL players in the lineup and are easy to shut down because you can just focus all the pressure on them.
As for Bert, I usually am a big supporter of him, but if you watched last night you would see some of the dumb decisions he makes with the puck. Instead of dumping it in when he is on the wing he will almost always try to throw a pass across to the other wing which 99% of the time gets picked off and creates rushes the other way unexpectedly. I noticed him do this at least 6-7 times yesterday. He is not helping this team at all and would much rather Pulk played in his position. Bert tries to force plays sometimes and it is a determent to this teams play.
This season has hopefully taught management one thing i hope, and it's let the kids play and get rid of the old farts.
Addressing your point about Boston, I agree. If the Bruins where missing pieces like we are they'd probably struggle too. And when they did I sure hope their fan base wouldn't go blaming loses on their third line wingers and bottom pair defensemen. Because that would be misguided...and stupid.
Of course Bertuzzi makes bad plays, he's a washed up veteran who can hardly skate. But replacing him with a kid who's clearly not ready for NHL competition doesn't help you at all either. Because guess who else makes bad plays? Kids who are in over their heads. For the time being we've got nobody better to play on this patched up third line than Bert. When Jurco's back it probably won't be an issue anymore.
The rule says nothing about the "actions" of the defending player. If it stated those words directly than I would say good goal. The way the rule is written it leaves it open for interpretation, so basically it's a wash. We can debate it over and over, and we're both right. I've seen it go the other way plenty of times. Where the league fails is they leave the rule open for interpretation. I for one don't want a ref interpreting a rule to decide a stanley cup finals game.
Yes it does. It says exactly those words.
In order to award a goal in this situation, the goal post must have been displaced by the actions a defending player or goalkeeper, the puck must have been shot (or the player must be in the act of shooting) at the goal prior to the goal post being displaced, and it must be determined that the puck would have entered the net between the normal position of the goal posts.
I mostly hate having him on the team at all, but I do agree with you. Just don't see how Andersson has any long-term spot in the organization when guys are healthy. He's about the eighth best center and only slightly better than Emmerton.
I mean, I'm not trying to denigrate the guy...what he does well he does pretty well. Good pk, faceoffs, defensively responsible. He's a good bit better than Emmerton and probably better all around than Glendening (though less gritty). And that's precisely his problem, he's too good to be on the fourth line (long term) and not better than Helm, Sheahan, Legwand, Weiss, or Datsyuk...so he ends up playing the wing...where he doesn't take faceoffs, or have as much defensive responsibility...and so the things that make him excel aren't needed.
As much as you hate him on the wing, I hate him even more on the Power Play. What the hell is Babs doing putting him out there? The only reason I can think of is, with Bert out he needs someone slow to take his place. I mean the guy had more power play time then Franzen last game, let's hope that it doesn't continue this game.
Well as bad as our PP has been for about three years now I think Babs just puts the units together at random.
Babs: "Ok, first unit is going to be Kronwall, Ericsson, Lashoff, Gustavsson, Mrazek"
Tatar: "Coach those guys are all defensemen and goalies..."
Alfie: "Seriously, at least two of them aren't even in the lineup right now..."
Does anyone else hate having Andersson on the wing as much as I do? Slow and doesn't score...awesome. He's good defensively and at faceoffs, I get it, but if he's not going to play center (where those things matter) then why bother?
As I slowly lose respect for Lucic, I have to imagine that these comments were made in account of the animosity between Boston and Montreal made all the more bitter by the fact that they just ended their 12 game winning streak. But yea, sounds pretty stupid saying that. It was a clean hit, accept the fact that you got smoked.
I've always respected the fact that Lucic played hard, but he's clearly one of the dumbest players in the league. I definitely lost a little love for the guy after this. Plus, I think the culture surrounding the Bruins doesn't help. They're like Philly, right there on the border between playing physical (which is fine) and gooning it up because that's "Bruins/Flyers" hockey.
Edit: Here's how you take a legal hip check like a man. Good on PK.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the two lines of thinking aren't mutually exclusive.
Chances are we did overpay for Legwand because Poile would be the worst GM in the world to not make us overpay. He had us over a barrel and he knew it, why not try and get more than you would under normal circumstances? If we weren't so injured he'd likely have asked for less rather than lose Legwand for nothing in July.
However, that doesn't mean that Legwand is bad, or wasn't worth the price, or that he isn't playing a huge role in our recent successes.
There are a lot of instances when a team overpayed for someone AND it turned out to be a good move. I bet Columbus isn't regretting the Wisniewski signing right now, nor Toronto the Kessel trade.
So congrats, everybody is a winner in this debate.
Happy to see my man Mitch up hope he gets in a scrap!
As I said before, if he gets into a scrap Babs will never play him again, and he might actually kill Callahan if he takes a bad penalty and costs us a point. I'm excited to see the kid play too, but I'm just hoping for a sound defensive game and hard forecheck/hitting from the kid.
I mostly agree with you, but I also think he didn't have enough time to get comfortable. I'm also not in love with the fact that Babs threw him in the deep end and made him kill penalties right away, even though he did a decent job on the PK.
I mean, I definitely don't think he looked terrible. I just think he looked like he was in a bit over his head, like Sheahan did in call ups the first couple of years. The good thing for Ferraro is the fact that he's got legit NHL speed. If he can keep his focus on defense and pk he'll have a job just because he can skate.