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#2636765 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 11:35 AM

I don't really think that Abby had Holland over a barrel though.  I think the contract is a little long sure.  But I don't think Holland had no choice.  If he'd have played hardball he surely could have gotten Abby down on term.  It's not like Abdelkader wants to play anywhere else.  He's "all in" on the Red Wings mythos.  I think Holland gave Abby a long term deal because A) he knows and believes that Abby is a future team leader, B) He's doing the hometown kid a solid for putting in an honest effort every single day, C) he's sending a message to future high end players that he'll scratch their backs in the long run if they cut him a break on their bridge contracts. 

#2636757 Nemesis vs. Archenemy: Detroit Red Wings Edition

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 10:45 AM

I was reading an article by Chuck Klosterman recently, and thought this would be a fun discussion.  It's simple, identify the nemesis AND archenemy for various Red Wings. 


But first, a few points of clarification...


"You're probably asking yourself, How do I know the difference between my nemesis and my archenemy? Here is the short answer: You kind of like your nemesis, despite the fact that you despise him. If your nemesis invited you out for cocktails, you would accept the offer. If he died, you would attend his funeral and--privately--you might shed a tear over his passing. But you would never have drinks with your archenemy, unless you were attempting to spike his gin with hemlock. If you were to perish, your archenemy would dance on your grave, and then he'd burn down your house and molest your children.


If this distinction seems confusing, just ask your girlfriend to explain it in detail; women have always intuitively grasped the nemesis/archenemy dichotomy. Every woman I've ever known has had at least one close friend whose only purpose in life is to criticize her actions, compete for the attention of men, and drive her insane; very often, this is a woman's best friend. Every woman also has a former friend (usually someone from high school with large breasts) whom she has loathed for years (and whom she will continue to loath with the intensity of a thousand suns, even if she sees her only once every ten years). This is her archenemy. Women intrinsically understand human dynamics, and this makes them unstoppable.


In the 1980s, Larry Bird's nemesis was Magic Johnson, and it was always beautiful when they tangled. But Bird's archenemy wasn't Magic; it was Isiah Thomas. When the Celtics played the Pistons, it was a train wreck, and it went deeper than basketball: In 1987, Isiah supported Dennis "Rush" Rodman when he claimed Bird was famous only because he was white. Larry forgave Isiah in public, but he still iced him in the end; the first thing Bird did after becoming president of the Pacers was fire Zeke as head coach. Steve Jobs is Bill Gates's nemesis, but if Gates had only one bullet in his revolver, he'd shoot David Boies. J.R. Ewing was at war with nemesis/brother Bobby for twelve seasons (thirteen if you count the year Victoria Principal dreamed he was dead), but Cliff Barnes was the true Minotaur of Southfork. Jack White turned Von Bondies singer Jason Stollsteimer's face into a speed bag, but Stollsteimer barely even deserves nemesis stature; White's archenemy is Ryan Adams (although he'd be better off if it were Julian Casablancas of the Strokes). The Joker was Batman's nemesis, but--ironically--his archenemy was Superman, since Superman made Batman seem entirely mortal and generally nonessential. Nobody likes to admit this, but Batman hated Superman."


So, name the nemesis AND archenemy for any or all of the following:


1. The Red Wings Organization

2. Steve Yzerman

3. Nick Lidstrom

4. Chris Osgood

5. Pavel Datsyuk

6. Ken Holland

7. Mike Ilitch

8. Henrik Zetterberg

9. Johan Franzen

10. Darren McCarty


#2636755 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 10:17 AM

Know what else he did?  Hired Hakan Andersson.  And Jim Nill.  Not Bowman though.  He's the responsibility of the other much aligned front office guy, Devellano. 


If I'm understanding the argument correctly.  A whole bunch of other people made Ken Holland successful.  But not him.  Despite the fact that he's the one who went out and found all these other people.  And somehow that's NOT exactly what a good manager would do. 

#2636754 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 10:10 AM


First Miller (you're wrong) and now this (you're right). You enjoy putting a target on your back, Bill. Get ready to duck.


I agree with your assessment of Holland. His success is the product of the '89 draft, Andersson, Bowman, and Nill.


You know what Ken Holland was doing during the fabled class of 1989 draft?  Scouting and drafting them.  He was the Director of Amateur Scouting.  You know what those other guys where doing for the Wings organization in 1989?  Nothing.  They didn't work here yet. 


If you're going to attribute his success to that class, fine.  Give him credit for scouting and drafting them since, ya know, he did that.  He's literally the only person you mentioned who had anything at all to do with getting those guys into Red Wings sweaters. 

#2636664 11/10 GDT : Washington Capitals at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 12 November 2015 - 04:36 PM

Every NHL team who plays against him is lucky??  Not teams that play solid against him defensively.  Weigh the number of 2+ goals vs. zero goals for Ovie.  There are way more zero game goals for him than 2+ goal games by him...so your point is incorrect by the numbers/data.  A good way to attempt to shut an elite player down is to play defense on him and not let him blast away shots at will from 20 feet out uncontested.  I don't want to get away from my original point, and that focuses on our defense not contesting him or covering him.  Even covering him all the time, he'll score his goals.  Leaving him alone and uncontested at 20 feet, is flat out a mistake.  My point was our D looked horrible the other night and thank PM that Ovie didn't make us pay...big time.


I realize he doesn't average over two goals a game.  I was exaggerating for effect. 


However, I'm not sure that we made a strategic decision to leave Ovechkin uncontested.  And if we did, it worked.  At least for now.  So I'm not sure what else we should have done.  Played him the way everybody else does?  Everybody else he scores on regularly, that is. 


There's no good way to cover him.  But I don't think that means Blashill specifically chose NOT to cover him.  He's just really really really good.  And his whole team was feeding him, so get got a bunch of shots.  Won't happen again I'm sure. 

#2636344 11/10 GDT : Washington Capitals at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2015 - 10:05 PM

Used our speed to get to lose pucks, battled hard, had good active sticks. I liked our defensive game tonight.

#2636339 11/10 GDT : Washington Capitals at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2015 - 10:03 PM

Marchenko looked strong tonight. So did Kindl. Smith better be careful or he might find himself the odd man out.

#2636170 Athanasiou recalled by Red Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 10 November 2015 - 02:56 PM

Rumor mill says the Islanders and Kyle Okposo aren't even close to an extension.  That's the kind of guy I'd look to acquire.  You'd have to give someone legit to get him, but he's big, strong, tough, and provides quality offense. 


Don't know what the Isles need, considering they're good, but I'd certainly be finding out if I was Kenny. 

#2636095 Athanasiou recalled by Red Wings

Posted by kipwinger on 09 November 2015 - 06:58 PM

I disagree with the notion that we need a goal scorer. I think we need somebody that drives possession and can compliment skill players. Something like Washington did getting Oshie and Williams. Guys that are physically tough and can chip in 40-50 points. I want a battler, we've got enough guys that can finish if we could just maintain offensive zone time.

#2635685 11/6 GDT : Red Wings at Toronto Maple Leafs, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 07 November 2015 - 05:58 PM

So is it safe to say the Jak is back?

#2635519 11/6 GDT : Red Wings at Toronto Maple Leafs, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 06 November 2015 - 08:28 PM

I completely forgot teemu pulkkinen was on this team until the just said his name.

#2635350 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by kipwinger on 06 November 2015 - 09:50 AM

I'll tell you why I feel the need to chime in on Babcock.  And this is only from my point of view.  I don't "hate" the guy.  Or even "dislike" the guy.  I read his book, and I actually think that many of his general philosophies about life are spot on (with regard to putting in honest effort and holding yourself accountable). 


What I can't stand about Mike Babcock, is this tendency to lionize him.  I don't like it when anybody becomes larger than life.  It's the same reason I always make sure to mention his unpaid taxes when anybody gets too crazy with the "Mike Ilitch is Detroit's savior" stuff.  It's the same reason I said Crosby is the better player in the Ovechkin thread that I started. 


Idol worship isn't really my thing. And sometimes, here on LGW, discussions of Mike tend to trend that way.


Anyway, that's why I feel the need to talk about him.  Can't speak for anyone else. 

#2635181 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2015 - 02:38 PM

You coach and practice and get to know and tweak the same team for months vs. You get a team of unknown players and have weeks to get them to win a tournament against the very best in the world... one loss in the finals and you're out. Not saying it is easy to win the Cup... it is not at all but winning a gold medal let alone 2 back to back... How is that not apparent?


I never said being Canada's coach makes you the best in the world btw. It just so happen's that for now, it is true!


If you're the coach of team Canada every single team you play is inferior to yours.  They aren't playing AGAINST the best players in the world.  They ARE the best players in the world.  You make it seem like he's overcoming adversity or something. 

#2635169 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2015 - 02:16 PM

I think Scotty Bowman was twice the coach Babcock is.


By my count he's about 9X the coach Babcock is. 

#2635160 All purpose Mike Babcock thread

Posted by kipwinger on 04 November 2015 - 02:03 PM


Sorry. I don't think you measure success solely on the number of Stanley Cups you have won. To me the way Babcock coached some of these teams even into the play offs (the one's that had no business to be there) is as big a measure of success if not more. The greatest challenge Quenville's hawks faced on route to the Cup a few years ago was Babcock's limping, battered and bruised Red Wings. Team Canada chose Babcock because they believe him to be the best despite others having more cups.


Lol.  Way to rewrite history.  Babcock had as good, or better, teams that Quenneville for the vast majority of his career.  Quenneville has NEVER coached a single player better than Datsyuk, Zettererg, or Lidstrom. Babcock had all three, in their primes, at the same time.  Babcock had 2 Hall of Fame goalies (yes, Osgood will get in), Quenneville has had none.  And you're trying to make it seem like he had nothing to work with.  Lol.  Even the last few years Babcock has had playoff caliber teams.  He wasn't coaching the Buffalo Sabres into the playoffs.  He was coaching a perennial winner with a number of stars, some of whom were occasionally hurt. Big deal.


The year we had the 2nd most man games lost to injury we limped into the playoffs and lost in the first round.  That same year the Pens had the MOST man games lost and won their division...and a playoff series.  Yet nobody says Bylsma is the greatest coach in the league (despite having as many Cups and a higher win percentage than Babcock I might add). 


You're selectively remembering the past to support an untenable argument.  And I don't understand why.  Canada DOES have the best coach in hockey.  A guy who consistently wins.  A guy who consistently brings out the best in his talent.  A guy who displays, and expects, excellence.  His name just isn't Mike Babcock.  Embrace it.