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#2625235 Matt Wuest Prospect Tournament Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 11 September 2015 - 03:13 PM

That second line is going to be sick. 


Hopefully Larkin and Nastasiuk will keep Mantha honest with their work ethic and pace. 

#2625229 2015-2016 expectations

Posted by kipwinger on 11 September 2015 - 12:58 PM


Don't forget about 3-on-3 play in OT. Hopefully the Wings can win more of those than they lose. One potential advantage Detroit has over a lot of other teams is that Blashill gained experience with this last year in GRs. Something many coaches in the league can't say.


This is a very good point.  I hadn't thought about it.  There should be a learning curve for a lot of coaches, particularly non-offensive minded coaches, for about a year or so. 

#2625160 2015-2016 expectations

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 03:21 PM

We'll lose the Conference Finals in 6.  To Columbus. 

#2625157 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 03:04 PM

Haha, Boston Strong!

#2625137 Wings sign Brad Richards 1 yr, $3 million

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 01:47 PM


Only if Babcock gets him when he's 40.


Brad Richards is Babcock's future 4th line winger.  David Legwand and Stephen Weiss beckon he join them. 

#2625132 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 01:17 PM


If Mantha turns out to be anything like Johnny Depp in this new Black Mass movie, I think we'll all be happy.


Don't believe the hype.  Johnny Depp can make even the most hardened of mobsters seem feeble, effete, and impotent.  Just like he did with pirates, and cocaine smugglers, and serial killers, and raving lunatics, and Willy Wonka. 

#2625122 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 12:08 PM

Maybe because Jeff Hoggan is signed to an AHL deal, earned his one-year deal last season and is the captain of the Griffins? I'm not the biggest fan of signing players based (mostly) on their leadership skills, but I understand that those guys have their place. It gets a little out of hand when it seems like overkill, and there's a big logjam within the organization. For example, I'm glad that Evans went to Texas with XO, Marchenko, Jensen, Sproul, Russo, Lashoff and Paetsch taking up spots in GR. At this point, I think there's plenty of veteran leadership in the organization - in Detroit and in Grand Rapids.

It's not necessarily one thing or the other with Cleary - it's a combination of things. It's certainly not that I'm worried about the impact of his contract on the cap or the Wings' roster. It's more that he's taking up another contract, which was handed to him. The reason (seemingly) he's been given his last three contracts is because he's chummy with Ken Holland. Maybe he can play at the AHL level and provide leadership, but so can Hoggan, Grant, Miele and Tangradi (I'm stretching a bit here). I just think the organization is set up well without Cleary, and that he didn't earn the contract.

I will concede, however, that if Grand Rapids didn't have both Grant and Hoggan, I'd probably be less annoyed (not that it matters, I'm just throwing it out there).


I doesn't matter whether it's an AHL contract or and NHL contract.  The intent is clearly to send Dano to the Griffs.  How do I know?  Because it's not coincidence that he signed for the exact amount that can be safely buried in the AHL without incurring an NHL cap penalty.  That wasn't true a year ago.  Or two years ago. 


I think we feel different because I'd love to have Cleary on a line with somebody like Mantha.  First, because Cleary was considered an under performing "floater" when he was first drafted too, and turned it around.  Secondly, because Dan has never been shy about digging in his teammates ass if they don't hop to.  I want him on the team to babysit Mantha alone. 

#2625101 Cleary re-signs... 1 year deal

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 09:29 AM

I doubt many of the people against the signing think Cleary's going to ****** someone's roster spot in Detroit. It's more along the lines of it being asinine to sign a consultant/advisor to a player contract. My beef is more with Holland than Cleary in this situation.


I don't know about that.  Jeff Blashill heaped praise on Hoggan, Paetsch, and Evans for being decent AHL players, but more importantly for being on ice leaders, advisors, and mentors for young players.  I don't hear anybody complaining that 38 year old Jeff Hoggan was just given a new contract despite the fact that he'll almost certainly not play in the NHL, and if he did...he would suck. 


Cleary is in the exact same position, he just makes more money.  Who cares?  His salary doesn't count against the cap, he's likely not going to take up a roster spot (barring HUGE injury woes), and if he does it will only be temporary and will only cost 900K. 


He was signed because he's not ready to stop playing, the organization wants him around, and because (here's the most important part) both his wishes and the organizations' could be satisfied without negatively impacting the big club in any way (nobody loses a roster spot, no money against the cap). 

#2625099 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2015 - 08:50 AM

Gotta think he wanted to go to Buffalo for some reason.  Otherwise every GM for a contending team would have cleared the decks for the guy.  I would have traded B. Smith a month ago if I new that I could have Cody Franson for 3.3 at 2 years.






Yes please. 


Brendan can go turn the puck over for Toronto if Babs loves his compete level that much. 

#2625005 Kane case headed to grand jury

Posted by kipwinger on 09 September 2015 - 08:55 AM

If Kopitar or Quick got caught with pills would their contracts be terminated?


Lol. About as quickly as Kane's will be.  Sports is a business, and the people that run sports teams operate them as such.  Every fan wants championships, new stadiums, and flashy free agents.  You do that by winning and putting butts in the seats.  And sometimes, to do that, GMs are willing to ignore the ethical imperatives.  I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it is what it is.  Businesses exist to make money, not to enforce the social good.  Expecting them to do the latter, rather than the former, will always disappoint. 


Our very own Mike Illitch does plenty of unethical things in the name of our team.  Nobody calls him out on it.  So lets not pretend its just a  Kings or Hawks problem. 

#2624660 Putin and russian all stars beat children...seriously.

Posted by kipwinger on 04 September 2015 - 03:17 PM

Think of it this way. Vladamir Putin is the Vince McMahon of an entire country.  One of the biggest and most powerful countries on earth actually.  Awesome. 

#2624634 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by kipwinger on 04 September 2015 - 12:13 PM

Some guy in the comments section said, "is it just me or do Green and Smith look alike?".  Someone responded, "you can tell Smith by the vacant look in his eye". 





#2624571 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 03 September 2015 - 10:15 PM

Just to play devils advocate though, wouldn't that make him selfish if not entitled then? There's times where I feel like Zetterberg plays in Datsyuk's shadows but you don't see him whining about it.


At the end of the day people loved Yzerman, but they sure loved Fedorov too. Scotty loved the guy. 


It's hard when you're the best player in your prime but you have a captain on the team that's a world class player who is basically leaving his prime. Yzerman was that popular Canadian y'know?



I completely agree.  It was Stevie's team, and it should have been.  I'm not suggesting that Fedorov should have been made captain or anything.  I'm just saying that when you're already "the guy" on a team, wanting to be recognized as such may make you narcissistic  or egotistical, but it sure doesn't make you entitled.  Fedorov earned everything he ever got in hockey by doing what was asked of him (which was significantly more than what was asked of just about any other Wings...except maybe Lidstrom), and doing it better than anyone else.  Entitled is when you want the payoff without having to do the work.  Fedorov did work son!

#2624562 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 03 September 2015 - 07:22 PM

I personally didn't think he was that arrogant, but there were 1 or 2 times where he gave us drama over his contract. That's where the "entitelement" topic comes in.


Does that mean he should be looked down upon? No. It's a business at the end of the day. 


I never understood that whole contract demands = entitlement argument.  He didn't hold out for more money.  He wanted to leave because he was tired of playing second fiddle on Yzerman's team.  He wanted to be a leader, he wanted to be "the guy" on a team.  And he was quite clearly capable of being that.  He was, after all, the best player on earth. 


Being the best, wanting to be recognized as the best, and wanting to prove it by carrying your own team, doesn't scream "entitlement" to me.  It seems like the exact opposite.  IMO he would have been entitled if he chased big money while riding Yzerman, and Shanahan, and Hull, and Lidstrom's coattails. 


When he first came into the league, Crosby was entitled.  He hadn't earned anything, and wanted the benefit of the doubt all the time.  In his mind, he was a star when he was still a rookie.  Fedorov was never, ever, that way.  Like I said before, he worked his way to the top and left because he could never be recognized for it on Yzerman's team. 

#2624555 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 03 September 2015 - 06:09 PM

Are people forgetting that fedorov grew up in the red army system? From the time he was a child he trained under the harshest possible conditions. I mean, insanely harsh conditions. And then came to the U.S and played for...the most demanding coach in the NHL. Where he worked his way into being a premier two way forward, and at one point the very best player on earth.

He may have been arrogant, but that doesn't make him entitled. I'd say he earned every single thing he has, and doesn't have, in life.