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#2535672 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by kipwinger on 07 September 2014 - 11:00 AM

He played on the same Swiss team as Zetterberg and Brunner that year.  I'd imagine Z has a good idea of what this guy can do, and if he got offered a tryout I'm sure that Zetterberg must have given a nod of approval.

#2535624 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 September 2014 - 02:33 PM


This. Not to mention, I thought Sheahan and Tatar had some real chemistry. Sheahan's ability to find Tatar around the net impressed me quite a few times last season - lot of back and forth, and cross-crease stuff between them.


Totally agree.  I'd just add Dats, Z, and Helm to the lineup we've already got and not mess up the chemistry the other lines formed.  I'd actually rather have that happen and leave the kid line intact than have Alfie come back, forcing Helm into the bottom six and Jurco out of the lineup.  But that's just me.

#2535622 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 September 2014 - 02:08 PM

am i the only one that wants to see mule and tatar on the same line. last season when they played together they went beast mode.


Yeah, but so did Mule and Nyquist. Franzen-Legwand-Nyquist was the best line we had all year.  So I don't see any reason to not try and replicate it with Weiss.  The second best line was the kids, and barring a return by Alfie we'll have Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco back together too.  We'll essentially be adding a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-? line to the two best lines from a year ago. 

#2535093 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 August 2014 - 02:03 PM

I want nothing to do with a Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Alfie (or Nyquist) top line.  It should be wildly clear over the last five or six post seasons that we don't have anyone scoring down low.  Giving another perimeter guy top line minutes is a recipe for failure.  I'd rather lose a little bit of offense but change the dynamic of our attack than keep throwing the same one dimensional attack at teams over and over and over.  Jurco showed a willingness to use his body to protect the puck, was strong in the corners, and had no problem creating offense in traffic.  Plus, despite rookie linemates, limited minutes, and no powerplay time, his offensive number projected very favorably to Alfie's over a full season (and should only increase with D and Z).


As such...






#2534114 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 04:24 PM


Sorry what? Stevie Y became captain in 1986…..


He's not speaking literally, he's speaking figuratively.  When people nostalgically look back at Yzerman, they remember him how he was in the Bowman years and rarely remember the early part of his career.  He wasn't a selfless, gutsy, two way, leader back then.  He was a showy, one dimensional, goal scorer.  At the time of the Gretzky trade, Yzerman wasn't the Stevie Y that we all remember as "The Captain", though he was in fact the captain of the team. 


That's what he's saying.

#2534086 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 11:20 AM

Because when you've been injury riddled for an entire season leading up to the playoffs, key players have been over worked and are much more mentally and physically drained then they would have been otherwise. There is a lot to be said for a team that is in position to rest key players down the home stretch of the regular season, and we could very well be in such a position this season. Do you not think that if Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Alfredsson and Kronwall were all relatively healthy for this season that they wouldn't massively benefit from a few games off, heading into the playoffs? I certainly do... Another thing is, just because a player is in the lineup, does not necessarily mean they are healthy, especially when it comes to playoff hockey, everyone knows that...


All of the things you just said were true of last year, and last year alone.  They've had the exact same playoff struggles for five years.  You're making it seem like the Wings have been injured for half a decade.  They haven't...and even if they have that's all the more reason to do something different because obviously the team can't stay healthy (in this hypothetical scenario). 


Seriously, the argument you're making seems to go like this...


Me:  We haven't been good in the playoffs for 5 years.

You:  That's because we've been injured consistently for 5 years.

Me:  We should do something different then, because this team can't stay healthy.

You:  Nope, we should say the course because the injury bug can't possibly be that bad again.

Me:  Of course it can, it's been happening for 5 YEARS!  At this point it's not a fluke anymore.

#2534080 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 10:00 AM

Does anyone actually think that if Jurco starts the season down in Grand Rapids, he is stuck down there?... I don't believe for a second that we will be hit nearly as bad with injuries this coming season, but yes, there will absolutely be injuries. Let's say we start the season with Jurco and no Alfredsson, a player gets injured and now we have Jurco and Andersson in the lineup. Whereas if that same player got injured, it could have been Jurco and Alfredsson instead of Andersson. Is there anyone that would choose Andersson over Alfredsson?... Depth is huge!


Wait, if I understand your logic correctly you're suggesting we put a player in the minors even though he'd make our team better, just in case we have an injury.  That way, in the event of said injury, you can call him up to make the team better? 


If that's the case, why not start half the team in GR and fill their spots with dudes who aren't as good.  Then, when they all get hurt, you can call up the guys who should have been there in the first place. 

That's your reality Frank, and to be quite honest I feel bad for you and all the others on here with the negative attitude toward the team and management.

Like I said, I will place a hefty wager on the Wings finishing significantly higher than they did last season. I will also bet that they face half the amount of injuries they did last season.

Things don't always have to be doom and gloom. The future is bright and that brightness is a lot closer than many of you think.


I don't think anybody is doubting we'll have a better regular season.  Sure we will.  But I thought we had higher standards than that in Detroit.  I thought we were supposed to compete for Cups and be elite?  I remember when the phrase "class of the league" used to follow mention of the Wings.


Bemoan all the injuries you want.  With or without them, we've still done nothing to improve the weaknesses that have gotten us crushed in the playoffs for the last 5 years. 

#2534073 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 08:44 AM

I don't see why everyone's so eager to compare Jurco to Tatar and Nyquist and not to Sheahan.  Oh wait, yeah I do.  Because it's convenient for their argument.  Sheahan wasn't ready either.  Looked lost in his call ups.  Didn't really fit.  Then he comes up and earns a spot because he wants it.  Just like you're supposed to do. 


To me it comes down to this:  I think we'd be a better team with some guys who can score in and around the crease.  We currently don't really have any (maybe Franzen).  I think we'd be harder to play against.  And I think that even if Jurco scored 15 fewer points than Alfie, we'd still be a better team if it gave us more than one offensive look.


As it stands we're a team full of guys who can only score from the perimeter...again.  And teams have figured out how to beat us in the playoffs.  I know it makes everybody feel better to blame injuries, but the fact is that our perimeter game hasn't worked in about 5 years.  Alfie doesn't help that.  Jurco would. 

#2534070 Helmer: First one to get a herniated disc in the new Season?

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 08:19 AM

Booooooring.  Tomas Tatar could do that drunk.

#2534045 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by kipwinger on 11 August 2014 - 09:31 PM

Keep in mind, Fischer's job is to pump the tires of these kids and sell Detroit's prospects in general.

In fact everyone but Holland seem to do this. Kind of like good cop bad cop.


Yeah, I'm not sure about this Fischer comment.  His job is to oversee the development of all the organization's prospects.  Not sell them to anyone.  They've already been drafted.  Who would he be selling them to?  Fans?

#2533998 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by kipwinger on 11 August 2014 - 10:03 AM

Jesus, can you imagine?


"I tried to reach [Detroit Red Wings owner] Mike Ilitch, because I knew Wayne would have loved to go to Detroit," Pocklington said. "But it was basically done so quickly, and that was it. There was never a bidding war. There probably should have been, looking back."


Interesting read to say the least.



#2533894 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 11:42 PM


Well see I trust management, whereas many of you don't. I'm going to be fine with the Legwand-Ironhook trade until Calle makes it big in the NHL. I like to think management knew what they were doing there.


I think once Mantha, Athanasiou, Marchenko, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, and Sproul (or a combination of others) officially join the team, and they are what we thought they would be. Then the trades you want will be made.


The Wings play REAL tight to the vest, and as a business man I operate the same way. IMO it's smart and minimizes risk, even if you lose some product in prospects who can't grace your system. All that means is that you're getting the best of the best. 



I'm not going to agree to disagree, because that's weak.  But I am too tired to disagree, so I'm calling it a night.  Good talk though buddy. 

#2533887 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 10:43 PM


You mean how you act when anyone mentions Tatar being traded?  :hehe:  I kid I kid...


Go look at my posts.  I've said 200 times that I don't mind him being traded.  I was against trading him for Myers or Green.  Trade him in a package for Yandle and I'll smile all the way to opening day. 

#2533845 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 11:27 AM


I don’t believe the Wings are not trying, I believe they are not willing to jeopardize their future to win now. They could trade the kids and be better in 2014, but that would hurt their bright future. They could make made a bigger splash in free agency, but then that would require signing someone to a bad contract that would restrict them cap wise down the road, which could result in them losing one of the kids 3 years from now. A few perfect examples of this is Toronto signing David Clarkson, leafs fans got a “big signing” a year ago, but that “big signing” ended up being a dud, and now they have a cap hit of 5.25million until 2021. Washington signed Niskanen to a 7 year deal with a cap hit of 5.75 million, the guy had 1 good year, very very strong possibility this blows up in their face at some point. Even the Suter signing a few years ago by Minnesota, I’m glad Detroit didn’t sign him. Minnesota now has a cap hit of 7,538,462 until 2025. Suter is 29 right now with 11 years left. If he regresses in lets say 3 years, this contract will severely handcuff them for another 8 years!


I’m not saying that you are in any way implying that the Wings should have made any of the above moves, I’m just using those examples to make my point. My point being simply that making a move to make you better “now” is not always what is best move for the franchise as whole. If this was pre-cap and they make a bad UFA signing, all that does is hurt them financially, now a days in can result in you having to lose very good players down the road because you cant fit them under the cap.


Feel free to think what you want, I'm not here to convince you.  I'm just here to say that fans expectations aren't "unrealistic" because the organization purportedly has the same expectations.


I'm sick of this whole "Red Wings fans are spoiled with success" argument.  You're supposed to want your team to compete for the championship every year.  You're also supposed to be bent out of shape when you don't think your team IS competitive.  That's what being a fan is all about.  Not sitting around casually observing the team and then clapping at the end of the game.  Ho hum. 

#2533831 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 08:51 AM


I have to 100% respectfully disagree with you, this is definitely a real thing. Its simply a natural occurrence after winning 4 cups in 11 seasons, and being a contender or even a favourite the other 7.


People (not everyone of course), now have an expectation of the Wings that they need to be a cup contender every year, or management are a bunch of failures. However my original point was that in today's NHL it is unrealistic to think this way. I'm not saying that YOU necessarily think this way, but a large percentage of fans do.



For the most part I agree with you. I believe we will start seeing the results of the rebuild sooner then later, but only time will tell, and of course there are so many different variables that come into play (ie. injuries, coaching changes, etc.).


In large part I agree with many of your points, but I do want to say two things. 


1.  Ken Holland himself, on many occasions, has stated that the Detroit Red Wings organization expects to compete for the Cup every year.  If fans have "unrealistic" expectations, it's only because they've listened to (and believed) what management has been telling them.


2.  Aside from that, even if it's "unrealistic" to WIN the Cup every year, it's not unrealistic to expect the organization to TRY.  Which is really all that most fans want.  Nobody really thinks we can win every single year forever.  It's a little bit patronizing to talk about fans and their "unrealistic" expectations when all they really expect is that the organization try to compete for championships.  That's the whole point of competition after all.  To do so requires that management ice the best possible team each year.  Many fans (rightly or wrongly) believe that isn't happening.