Cmon kip - even you have to admit Smith was great tonight... building on previous games like I think he has been doing lately. Showed up on the scoresheet tonight for you too.
He didn't really do much good or bad last game, and he was good today. Keep doing that and I'm happy. I'm all for Smith turning into something good, it's not like I want the kid to fail. I just don't see any need to make excuses for him when he's playing badly. I get the feeling that some fans feel like if they say "Smith is playing like s***" that he'll magically disappear. It's ok to criticize him when it's appropriate. It's ok to praise him when it's appropriate too. Go look at the GDT and you'll see a big "atta boy" to Smith with my name on it. If he keep it up he'll get more.
And if Quincey has another stud game like he did in Pittsburgh, and plays almost thirty minutes with HUGE pk time, I'll praise him too. Because it's not against the law to say something good about Quincey either.
You're new, so let me break off a piece of advice for you. This is sort of frowned upon around here. Disagree all you want, Lord know I do, but don't act like this. It creates a combative atmosphere that has a tendency to spiral out of control. We don't want this forum turning into the comments section on Mlive.
Did Smith piss in your cheerios? He had a very good game. He went up against crosby a number of times and came out of it with the puck. Aside from his dumb moment against Edmonton he has been very good over the last 4 games. He is showing poise - and Kronner isn't just covering up for him - I haven't seen Kronner have to straight up bail smith out when they played together - its more that he has a partner that is confident and supports him.
Quincey, although he has played much better defensively lately (credit due), still gives the puck away way too much - this tends to be a stretch pass that gets intercepted at our blue line that comes back for a shot.
This is what I'm talking about. You're using turnovers to criticize Quincey and willfully ignoring the fact that Smith has MORE of them. It is a FACT that despite almost 3 fewer minutes on ice per game (average), Smith still has MORE turnovers. And here you are saying Quincey's bad because he turns the puck over too much.
Am I eating crazy pills? Quincey plays more even strength and special teams, has more hits, more blocked shots, fewer giveaways, more takeaways, more shots, more goals, and fewer missed shots.
Smith has five fewer penalties, and four more assists than Quincey. That's it. In no other way is he a better player, and yet everyone around here will defend him to the death and blame Quincey to the moon.
Smith didn't piss in my cheerios. I do, however, get frustrated when purported "intelligent" fans A) don't see that Smith isn't all that good (yet), and B) blame his mediocre play on someone else (as if his failure to shoot, hit, block shots, pass, or take the puck away is somehow Kindl, Lashoff, or Quincey's fault).
Should have been a 5 minute major and he should have been tossed for the blatant headshot.
The cross check shouldn't have been made in the first place. And whether the "intent" was for the shoulder, he ultimately cross checked him in the head and the end result is a head shot. Suspendable offence? Yes. Repeat offender? Very much so. 3 games will maybe teach that idiot more of a lesson than a measley 1 game, though I think 5 would send a better message, cause Neal is repeatedly a dirty player.
Orpik loves hitting from behind and taking guys knees out. He's no stranger to Q like cross checking sessions as well and unlike the Wings, his interference isn't "subtle".
Based on what you've just said I can conclude that you think interference makes a guy "dirty" and also that you think Kyle Quincey is a "dirty" player (since you just used "Q like" to explain why Orpik is dirty).
Quincey is not a dirty player. Also, interference doesn't make one a dirty player. If you feel differently fine, but I question your logic.
Also, for a guy who "loves hitting from behind and taking guys knees out" he has remarkably few penalties every year, only topping 70 PIMs once in the last seven seasons. He also has only had two major penalties in the last six seasons despite playing huge minutes in almost every game and not ever missing serious time with injury.
He's just not dirty dude, no matter how hard you hate the Pens.
Our defense is bad, and are forwards are primarily Grand Rapids Griffins. That said, he is a veteran goalie with a long term contract. He HAS to "stand on his head" in many of the remaining games for the Wings to have a chance. I don't like hating on him either, but you have to call it like you see it.
To an extent I agree with you, in the sense that I REALLY WANT Howard to stand on his head. It would be super nice if he did. But there's no substitute for quality play in front of the goalie. Look at Ryan Miller. The guy's a stud, a veteran, a guy that can steal games for you, etc. etc. etc. Except he wasn't stealing games for Buffalo, he was getting murdered. You could say the same things about him as we currently do about Howard. Then, all of a sudden, he goes and plays on a real team with real hockey players and he's a superstar again. And it's not just that he's benefiting from St. Louis' system, because he's playing better than Halak or Elliot did with the same team.
When we talk about goalies "stealing games" it's easy to think that top flight goalies can play behind HORRIBLE defenses and win games all by their lonesome. That rarely happens. Usually when a goalie steals a game it's because either two very good teams, or two very bad teams are playing and the goalie ends up being the difference. When it's a bad vs. a good team the goalie rarely overcomes that.
If Weiss is bought out or traded, I'll take Legwand but no need for both of them. Call it morbid curiosity, but I'm still curious about what a healthy Weiss looks like. Hopefully we get to see him this year so we get a better feel for him as a player.
Weiss is a really good player. He's going to be good here, he's just had a run of crummy luck with the injuries. Also, I'm not sure that he can be bought out (since he was signed after the lockout). Well, he could be regularly bought out, but they couldn't use a compliance buy out. And he has an NTC, so he's definitely not getting traded. So it's probably him over Legwand (who hasn't been bad at all).
Yep, which is why Jarnkrok wouldn't have seen the light of day in Detroit for like 3 years.
Basically, the Wings are set at center for a while but they'll need to keep drafting centers to restock the Jarnkrok-less cupboard.
Next season we could potentially have all these guys signed:
I can see Legwand moving to the wing, and of course Zetterberg will there as well. Glendenning can star the season on GRs I believe.
One of Sheahan or Andersson can be moved to the Wing, but ultimately, I wouldn't be too upset if Andersson was traded.
as your top four with Zetterberg and Legwand ready to swing in to the middle when the ubiquitous injuries start to pile up.
I like Dats, Weiss, Sheahan, and Helm as our four centers. But I don't like Legwand on the wing. He doesn't shoot much, and hasn't played there too often. I'd rather we go get an actual winger, I hate this team's insistence on lining up centers at the wing. It's no wonder we have such a hard time scoring goals. But that's just me. And hopefully having Tatar, Nyquist, and Jurco on the wings moving forward will help.
Well I'd definitely prefer Legwand have more situational awareness, but in hindsight, good on him. Very veteran move. Reminds me of Chelios. Let those punks know they don't get to do work on you easily.
Edit: The outcomes are good all the way around. I'm glad nobody got suspensions. In my opinion these are both VERY borderline plays, illegal? Yes. Severe? No. Penalties were enough in both instances.
Mods remove my posts, and I still bask in my nuclear sunshine. We're the Detroit Red Wings, maybe you've heard, winning big games is what we do! Welcome opposing fans, you're truly welcome, but please believe we're not rolling over on some trash talk.
I just moved to Washington D.C. for work, and you wouldn't believe how Caps fan get punked by Pens, Bruins, and Flyers fans around here. I was in a Caps bar about two weeks ago and they lost to the Flyers. Bunch of Flyers fan walked up in the place and took it over.
Not happening with Wings fans. Not happening in Detroit. Reppin' it till the death of it!