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#2533998 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by kipwinger on 11 August 2014 - 10:03 AM

Jesus, can you imagine?


"I tried to reach [Detroit Red Wings owner] Mike Ilitch, because I knew Wayne would have loved to go to Detroit," Pocklington said. "But it was basically done so quickly, and that was it. There was never a bidding war. There probably should have been, looking back."


Interesting read to say the least.



#2533894 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 11:42 PM


Well see I trust management, whereas many of you don't. I'm going to be fine with the Legwand-Ironhook trade until Calle makes it big in the NHL. I like to think management knew what they were doing there.


I think once Mantha, Athanasiou, Marchenko, Pulkkinen, Ouellet, and Sproul (or a combination of others) officially join the team, and they are what we thought they would be. Then the trades you want will be made.


The Wings play REAL tight to the vest, and as a business man I operate the same way. IMO it's smart and minimizes risk, even if you lose some product in prospects who can't grace your system. All that means is that you're getting the best of the best. 



I'm not going to agree to disagree, because that's weak.  But I am too tired to disagree, so I'm calling it a night.  Good talk though buddy. 

#2533887 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 10:43 PM


You mean how you act when anyone mentions Tatar being traded?  :hehe:  I kid I kid...


Go look at my posts.  I've said 200 times that I don't mind him being traded.  I was against trading him for Myers or Green.  Trade him in a package for Yandle and I'll smile all the way to opening day. 

#2533845 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 11:27 AM


I don’t believe the Wings are not trying, I believe they are not willing to jeopardize their future to win now. They could trade the kids and be better in 2014, but that would hurt their bright future. They could make made a bigger splash in free agency, but then that would require signing someone to a bad contract that would restrict them cap wise down the road, which could result in them losing one of the kids 3 years from now. A few perfect examples of this is Toronto signing David Clarkson, leafs fans got a “big signing” a year ago, but that “big signing” ended up being a dud, and now they have a cap hit of 5.25million until 2021. Washington signed Niskanen to a 7 year deal with a cap hit of 5.75 million, the guy had 1 good year, very very strong possibility this blows up in their face at some point. Even the Suter signing a few years ago by Minnesota, I’m glad Detroit didn’t sign him. Minnesota now has a cap hit of 7,538,462 until 2025. Suter is 29 right now with 11 years left. If he regresses in lets say 3 years, this contract will severely handcuff them for another 8 years!


I’m not saying that you are in any way implying that the Wings should have made any of the above moves, I’m just using those examples to make my point. My point being simply that making a move to make you better “now” is not always what is best move for the franchise as whole. If this was pre-cap and they make a bad UFA signing, all that does is hurt them financially, now a days in can result in you having to lose very good players down the road because you cant fit them under the cap.


Feel free to think what you want, I'm not here to convince you.  I'm just here to say that fans expectations aren't "unrealistic" because the organization purportedly has the same expectations.


I'm sick of this whole "Red Wings fans are spoiled with success" argument.  You're supposed to want your team to compete for the championship every year.  You're also supposed to be bent out of shape when you don't think your team IS competitive.  That's what being a fan is all about.  Not sitting around casually observing the team and then clapping at the end of the game.  Ho hum. 

#2533831 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 07 August 2014 - 08:51 AM


I have to 100% respectfully disagree with you, this is definitely a real thing. Its simply a natural occurrence after winning 4 cups in 11 seasons, and being a contender or even a favourite the other 7.


People (not everyone of course), now have an expectation of the Wings that they need to be a cup contender every year, or management are a bunch of failures. However my original point was that in today's NHL it is unrealistic to think this way. I'm not saying that YOU necessarily think this way, but a large percentage of fans do.



For the most part I agree with you. I believe we will start seeing the results of the rebuild sooner then later, but only time will tell, and of course there are so many different variables that come into play (ie. injuries, coaching changes, etc.).


In large part I agree with many of your points, but I do want to say two things. 


1.  Ken Holland himself, on many occasions, has stated that the Detroit Red Wings organization expects to compete for the Cup every year.  If fans have "unrealistic" expectations, it's only because they've listened to (and believed) what management has been telling them.


2.  Aside from that, even if it's "unrealistic" to WIN the Cup every year, it's not unrealistic to expect the organization to TRY.  Which is really all that most fans want.  Nobody really thinks we can win every single year forever.  It's a little bit patronizing to talk about fans and their "unrealistic" expectations when all they really expect is that the organization try to compete for championships.  That's the whole point of competition after all.  To do so requires that management ice the best possible team each year.  Many fans (rightly or wrongly) believe that isn't happening. 

#2533786 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 August 2014 - 10:55 PM

Ugh I hate lame beer it's like hey I just wanted some good effing beer and all I have is this lame beer why does the universe hate me? Why does the universe hate Andreas Lilja? Why was Dmitry Mironov under appreciated as a Red Wing? Why does bread mold so fast when you leave it out on the counter, and why does that little green s*** smell so bad?

We should all just give up, we'll never have all the answers.


I'd rather have Lame Beer than Lamb Beer.  Just sayin'. 

#2533780 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 August 2014 - 10:20 PM



Goddammit if I wanted to talk about the Leafs and Flames I would have gone to the HF boards


Lilja >


Haha.  Well I think it goes without saying that Lilja the greatest pound for pound fighter in the NHL's long history.  But it just goes to show I was right all along.  It says a lot about how pointless and idiotic fighting in hockey is when a guy who barely did it was the best there ever was. 


Oops...just went there. 

#2533776 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 August 2014 - 10:06 PM


Colton Orr doesn't look like Leonidas from 300.


Did Leonidas have a stupid haircut and a broken nose too?

#2533769 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 August 2014 - 09:27 PM


Orr is washed up.  He's not in the same league.  At one time, DJ King was supposed to be the best future fighter in the league.  Big deal.


Whatever bro.  All I know is that Orr owned him.  Hard. 


He's got the Eye of the Tiger. 


Two best fighters of their era:  1. Colton Orr  2. Andreas Lilja. 


Nobody really cares about number three (Brian McWhateverbro). 




"This is Brian McCandyass of the Calgary Flames here with a special public service announcement.  Kids, don't do drugs.  Also, don't get stupid looking haircuts or get pole-axed by Colton Orr.  All three will embarrass your mother at church.  This is the face of a guy who embarrasses his mother at church.  Don't be that guy kids, don't be that guy." 

#2533672 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 04 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

Wow, this thread got carried away pretty quickly didn't it?  Seems like there's got to be a way to say what you're trying to say, without being so matadorish.  I'll take a stab at it.


DeGraa55:  I think the Wings will be just as bad as last year because we made no noticeable acquisitions to a team which has underwhelmed for 5 straight post seasons.  Plus, I think injuries will be a problem again because older players (e.g. Dats, Z, Franzen, Knonwall, etc.) tend to get injured MORE and not less over time. 


Number9:  I think the Wings will be better than last year because while we made no noticeable acquisitions, our young player were REALLY good last year and should be better this year.  And while injuries may be a problem again a year from now, they couldn't possibly be as bad as last year because that was just insane.  Plus, there's no way Jimmy will be that bad again right?  He's never been that bad his entire career.  We've got nowhere to go but up.



All better. 

#2533541 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by kipwinger on 02 August 2014 - 02:22 PM

I think Subban is a real good player and all.  But they should have let someone offer sheet the guy and taken the picks.  One guy, even a top flight defenseman, doesn't make a Stanley Cup winner.  This is way too much for any single player, and their depth will suffer for it.  They'll have a never ending string of plugs and inexperienced kids populating their team for the next 8 years. 

#2533421 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 31 July 2014 - 01:24 PM


Just imagine though, if he scores 25-30 this year, @ 2.75M, Holland could probably trade him to Coyotes for Yandle - straight up.


If he did that I don't know why you'd want to trade him though.  A year from now you'd hope that Sproul would be on the team and contributing, along with one of either Marchenko and/or Ouellet. 


The only way trading for Yandle makes sense is if it's this year...or if you are sending a left shooting top four (Smith) the other way.  And if that was the case you could probably get him for something like Smith + Pulkkinen + pick and not lose a 25-30 goal scorer. 


If Tatar scored 25-30 goals this season I'd consider trading him, but only for a top four who is under contract and shoots right.  Someone like Shattenkirk. 

#2533298 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

Also, I think this "he doesn't play defense" criticism of Tatar is a bit off base.  I don't think he's fantastic defensively, but he does try.  It's not like Brunner was a year ago.  Tatar was always a two way player in the AHL, and he backchecks every shift now.  He just isn't strong enough to do much once he gets back.  I just think it'll take a little time to find his defensive niche in the NHL.  Just like Dats had to do.  He wasn't a defensive superstar when he was 185 lbs either.  That's just too small to do much in the NHL.  Let Tatar get stronger and he'll be fine. 

#2533286 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

Now the glass and boards at the JLA can sleep easy knowing that Sammy won't be around to hurt them anymore.  


Opposition logos have never felt so safe. 

#2533271 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 09:34 AM


Cleary > Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.


It's not ideal, but this year's team should have less deadweight than last year's. So we actually have less of a problem really.


First of all, you're overplaying your hand a bit.  Tatar was a regular in the lineup after 9 games...so it's not like those three guys were all getting huge playing time for the first half of the season...they weren't.  After the first ten games any two of the three were scratched on a given night.


Secondly, that doesn't really address my point anyway.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson weren't the reason we got butchered by Boston in the playoffs.  They weren't the reason we blew a 3-1 series lead against Chicago the year before that.  They weren't the reason we couldn't beat San Jose for two years.  And they definitely weren't the reason we got embarrassed by Nashville in 5 games. 


But here's the kicker...neither were injuries.  In only one of those series (Boston) did injuries play a significant role.  There are fundamental issues with this team that haven't been addressed in a LONG time.  Acting like those issues have been resolved because we let a couple of frequently scratched third and fourth liners walk is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand. 


Yeah, Cleary's probably going to bring the same thing he brought last year, which, according to Babcock, was "nothing".


My point was that Cleary sucking is still better than Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bert (to a lesser degree) sucking.


Again, at no point after the first ten games last season did Cleary, Sammy, and Bert regularly play for our team at the same time.  On any given night, maybe one of them played.  But rarely two, and definitely not all three.