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#2608563 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 19 May 2015 - 12:40 PM

If true, fine by me ... in the end, he wasn't as sought after as he or most people thought.  Toronto, Buffalo, Det were the only true options.  Nothing from Pittsburgh, SJ, Edmonton, St. Louis ... 


Guess he's not even close to the 'best coach in the NHL period'.


It pains me to defend Mike Babcock.  Everybody knows that I think he's an overrated, blowhard, whose folksy Canadian "awww shucks, we need to work harder, and listen to our wives more" crap is just a veneer. 


That said, he's definitely one of the top coaches in the league.  He's just not soooo much better that teams who already have good coaches (or coaching options) are willing to drop everything and throw the bank at him.  There are a couple of coaches who are probably better, and a hand full that are as good.  Any team without a coach, or with a consistently underwhelming coach should be happy to have him.  But any team that already has a quality guy would be dumb to can them for Babs.  And for some reason that was what everybody expected.  Also, the fact that there are at least 3 or 4 other really good coaches available really diminished the interest in Babs.  Why throw 5 million at him when you can get McLellan or Bylsma for cheaper and they're not much (or any) worse than he is. 




If the whole process disgusts you so much, why follow it so closely?  It's like repeatedly drinking spoiled milk.


I follow hockey because I love the sport.  I'd really love to follow the Stanley Cup playoffs, since those are still going on and all.  Unfortunately every single outlet dedicated to covering the sport of hockey, is currently following #Babswatch.  So I'm forced to either quit following the sport I love, or follow it and comment on how idiotic this whole decision making process has been.  I've chosen the latter.  What else am I going to do, watch the NBA?  Lol.   

#2608514 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 19 May 2015 - 10:15 AM

Yeah, except instead of a rose its a Maple Leaf.

How many personalities does Bob have?


Enough to make sure that he can strongly insinuate every possible outcome, and therefore not be wrong about anything ever?

#2608511 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 19 May 2015 - 10:07 AM

This is like an episode of The Bachelor".  Everybody is waiting to see if Mike will give Ken Holland the rose. 



#2608388 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 04:25 PM

Lids as assistant coach....holy sheeot. Huge upgrade.

Our assistant coaches, and their special teams improvements were a primary factor in making the playoffs this year. We were terrible at even strength. Moving them for a guy with no coaching experience is a terrible idea. No matter how beloved Lidstrom may be. Thats the kind of stuff the Oilers do, not teams who care about winning.

#2608332 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 12:45 PM

Here's a fun fact, Babs' last contract extension was in October, 2010.  By that time he'd already won an Olympic gold and gone to the finals twice.  And all those accomplishments could/should have been used in the negotiations for that contract.   


What's he done since 2010 that would nearly double his last contract?  Win one Olympic gold and two playoff series?

#2608280 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 09:21 AM

This is so ridiculous. 


What's everyone gonna think when the team he goes to doesn't have instant success


I imagine they'll be seriously regretting the 5+ million dollars they gave him to do exactly that. You don't give somebody that much money to gradually improve your team and (if the stars align) perhaps bring you success.  You don't pay forwards 7 million bucks for 50 points seasons either.  If you give a guy (roughly) twice what the highest paid coach (Quenneville) is currently making, you're not expecting mediocre results.


I spoke about this the other day.  If you offer 5 million bucks to Babcock, and he accepts it; you're both implicitly agreeing that he's A) going to give you the best possible chance to win a Cup, and B) that he'll deliver on that. 


If he doesn't, then the entire process will be exposed for the hype driven debacle that it is. 

#2608275 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 09:05 AM

Worse, imagine if Babs signs for a year, Blashill leaves, and then Babs goes someplace else because that prospect obviously intrigues him? 


I sure hope it's implied that if he stays, he signs long(ish) term, because Kenny could get caught without a seat on this one. 

#2608264 Flyers hire North Dakota Head Coach Dave Hakstol

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 08:32 AM

Lol.  Classic Flyers. 


Enjoy the cellar for another couple of years you losers.  There are more quality head coaches available than at any point in recent memory and they pick a guy who's never coached a single game of professional hockey. 


Are they "too smart" or too cheap for their own good?

#2608077 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 09:01 PM

Here's a couple of fun facts that nobody seems remotely interested in following and/or giving any special credence to...


There are four teams left in the playoffs (which are still going on):


If Anaheim wins, Bruce Boudreau has a better winning percentage AND as many Cups as Mike Babcock.

If Chicago wins Joel Quenneville has the second most all time wins AND three Cups

If New York wins Alain Vigneault has take two different teams to the Cup finals and won with one of them (just like Babs)

If Tampa wins Jon Cooper won a Cup in his second year full year as coach, after beating Babcock, the top team in the division, the top team in the league, and whichever team he beats in the West. 


There are a TON of really good coaches out there.  Some as good, or better, than Mike Babcock.  However the story of the day, every day, revolves around a guy who hasn't made it out of the second round  since 2009 and who's team isn't even playing anymore.  And acknowledge it or not, he's had ALL SEASON to decide whether he wants to stay with Detroit.  But of course he hasn't had all season to get flown around the world, and interviewed, and wined and dined, and written about extensively.  And that obviously doesn't appeal to a guy who wants to be thought of as the best coach of his generation.  Nope. 


Oh by the way, if you wanted to be the best coach of your generation, why would you interview with Buffalo, and Toronto, and Philadelphia?  Because those teams are all going places and we aren't?  If all he cared about is winning (like he says) then he would have signed with Detroit already.  There aren't any other positions available which have the track record, the future, the money, and the will to win.  But he hasn't. Why?  Definitely not because he's enjoying this.  Not at all. 

#2608033 Dylan larkin #5 prospect out of top 50 on hockeysfuture

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 05:43 PM

What the hell has Nylander done aside from look smug and play like a *****?

#2608028 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 05:06 PM

I started to doubt this with the amount you two argue.

You're the one who made the accusation.

#2608015 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 03:44 PM


The Decision?


I was just coming to post this.  It's Lebron 2.0.  What a primadonna.  I'm soooooo tired of this crap.  Just sign af****** contract or don't, like every other person (GM, coach, or player) does in the NHL.

#2607989 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 01:58 PM

You'd think don cherry could just write this as an article and give it to someone to run.



He chooses not to write anything at all.  Writing was invented by foreigners. 

#2607985 Prospect Tourney in Traverse City renamed after Matt Wuest

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 01:30 PM

Very classy move. This speaks volumes about the decency of the organization, but also about the profound impact that social media, the internet, non-traditional information outlets, and data oriented analysis have had on the sports landscape.  Only a short time ago, a guy like Matt would have been considered a diehard fan, and nothing more.  Naming the Cup after him seems to suggest that someone like Matt can have a substantive impact on sports decision-makers, not because of his position within an organization, but because the quality of his work and his commitment to transparency and objectivity change the way average fans access and interpret information about their team. 


I don't think you can stress enough the importance that Matt had on our own organization.  I remember when Datsyuk and Zetterberg entered the league, nobody knew a thing about them.  Coming off years with the same core of guys, and suddenly we had these two new guys who really looked like they could play, and who came out of nowhere.  That could never happen now.  There's just too much demand for information about our drafting, prospects, and development.  Today Red Wings fans demand as much information about their team, at every single level, as any of the Canadian teams despite huge differences in the attention the sport in given in each country in traditional media outlets. That level of expectation, knowledge, and attention is the direct result of all the hard work Matt Wuest put into making a good product.


The name of the Matt Wuest Cup is well deserved.  Kudos. 

#2607970 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 12:16 PM