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#2624634 Red Wings sign D Mike Green (3-years, $18-million)

Posted by kipwinger on 04 September 2015 - 12:13 PM

Some guy in the comments section said, "is it just me or do Green and Smith look alike?".  Someone responded, "you can tell Smith by the vacant look in his eye". 





#2624571 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 03 September 2015 - 10:15 PM

Just to play devils advocate though, wouldn't that make him selfish if not entitled then? There's times where I feel like Zetterberg plays in Datsyuk's shadows but you don't see him whining about it.


At the end of the day people loved Yzerman, but they sure loved Fedorov too. Scotty loved the guy. 


It's hard when you're the best player in your prime but you have a captain on the team that's a world class player who is basically leaving his prime. Yzerman was that popular Canadian y'know?



I completely agree.  It was Stevie's team, and it should have been.  I'm not suggesting that Fedorov should have been made captain or anything.  I'm just saying that when you're already "the guy" on a team, wanting to be recognized as such may make you narcissistic  or egotistical, but it sure doesn't make you entitled.  Fedorov earned everything he ever got in hockey by doing what was asked of him (which was significantly more than what was asked of just about any other Wings...except maybe Lidstrom), and doing it better than anyone else.  Entitled is when you want the payoff without having to do the work.  Fedorov did work son!

#2624562 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 03 September 2015 - 07:22 PM

I personally didn't think he was that arrogant, but there were 1 or 2 times where he gave us drama over his contract. That's where the "entitelement" topic comes in.


Does that mean he should be looked down upon? No. It's a business at the end of the day. 


I never understood that whole contract demands = entitlement argument.  He didn't hold out for more money.  He wanted to leave because he was tired of playing second fiddle on Yzerman's team.  He wanted to be a leader, he wanted to be "the guy" on a team.  And he was quite clearly capable of being that.  He was, after all, the best player on earth. 


Being the best, wanting to be recognized as the best, and wanting to prove it by carrying your own team, doesn't scream "entitlement" to me.  It seems like the exact opposite.  IMO he would have been entitled if he chased big money while riding Yzerman, and Shanahan, and Hull, and Lidstrom's coattails. 


When he first came into the league, Crosby was entitled.  He hadn't earned anything, and wanted the benefit of the doubt all the time.  In his mind, he was a star when he was still a rookie.  Fedorov was never, ever, that way.  Like I said before, he worked his way to the top and left because he could never be recognized for it on Yzerman's team. 

#2624555 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 03 September 2015 - 06:09 PM

Are people forgetting that fedorov grew up in the red army system? From the time he was a child he trained under the harshest possible conditions. I mean, insanely harsh conditions. And then came to the U.S and played for...the most demanding coach in the NHL. Where he worked his way into being a premier two way forward, and at one point the very best player on earth.

He may have been arrogant, but that doesn't make him entitled. I'd say he earned every single thing he has, and doesn't have, in life.

#2624428 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 02 September 2015 - 12:25 PM

Being a fan from 1984 - that was 13 seasons (and 1995 Final) of frustration, and near misses for me until Detroit won the Cup in '97.


I realize that Detroit hasn't been good literally forever.  I'm suggesting that this upcoming season, for instance, will probably be more interesting for me than the 1999 or 2000 seasons.  Even though these were heyday years of the Wings "dynasty". 


I like the question marks surrounding an upcoming season.  Going into it with Cup or bust on your mind is fine (especially if you haven't won in a long time), but it's a little less interesting when you've seen a ton of them. 


I love the competition for spots, the youth movement, the goalie debate, the new coach, the emerging stars.  All those story lines are more interesting to me than anything we were talking about heading into the 2010 season (for instance). 

#2624425 So this is why teams hate the wings

Posted by kipwinger on 02 September 2015 - 12:11 PM

I may be in the minority, but I actually think the recent rebuilding years 2003-2006 and 2011-Present, are far more interesting than the contending years.  There's more to think about, talk about, speculate about, and (quite frankly) ***** about.  Watching your team win the Cup is awesome, but I don't want to see it every year.  Or even be a real possibility every year.  Sometimes you have to struggle a little bit in order to work through it and know what optimism feels like. 


IMO being a fan of a super team is lazy.  And boring.  Which isn't to say that I want our team to be the Chicago Cubs of hockey.  But I don't want us to be the Yankees either.  If you choices each season are A) compete for the championship, or B) be disappointed, then you're missing out on a ton of awesome fan experiences. 

#2624411 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by kipwinger on 02 September 2015 - 09:52 AM

Do you think RFA Petr Mrazek is going to make 5 million dollars?  I don't.  I don't think that's remotely probable, regardless of the season he just had. 


Everyone always thinks that good young players, with tons of potential, are going to make a fortune after the ELC runs out.  They might for other teams, then don't for the Red Wings.  Look at Nyquist and Tatar.  Both are on reasonable bridge contracts.  Mrazek will be too. 

#2624281 RWN-HQ GTG

Posted by kipwinger on 31 August 2015 - 03:59 PM

*southern belle voice*

Why, I *never*!


When I read that, my brain made your southern belle voice sound like Foghorn Leghorn in my head.  Hope you haven't been auditioning for that remake of Gone with the Wind.  Scarlett O'Hara you ain't. 

#2624272 Curtis Glencross regrets taking hometown discount

Posted by kipwinger on 31 August 2015 - 02:48 PM

I'm sure the Flames regret that decision as much as he does.


Why would they regret it?  They got good production, for less than market value, and then traded him for futures.  They got everything they wanted out of the deal. 


I don't think there's a problem signing and hometown discount.  But if I were going to do the organization a solid and take less money, you bet your ass I'd want a no trade clause.  No way would I do them that favor without some insurance for myself. 

#2624229 Curtis Glencross regrets taking hometown discount

Posted by kipwinger on 31 August 2015 - 11:07 AM

If I'm understanding the themes in this thread correctly, if you're wealthy you should shut up and enjoy it, and never ever talk about what you'd have done differently in life. 


Does that mean that if you're poor you should constantly talk about your past regrets and failures and pine for a change in fortunes?


Or could we all just agree that regardless of the size of your bank account, you're entitled to talk about your life however the heck you want when someone asks you?

#2624111 Dan Cleary re-signing still possible?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 August 2015 - 02:44 PM

Brad Boyes is still unsigned as well.  If I were Montreal I'd sign him.  They could use the scoring. 

#2624097 Teemu Pulkkinen 2015-2016 watch

Posted by kipwinger on 29 August 2015 - 12:43 PM

Once Pav is back, you've got Z, Tatar, Gus, Franzen, Abby, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and maybe Helm all competing for winger spots on the top three lines.  I don't think Pulkkinen is necessarily the lowest on the depth chart, but he's at the lower end.  So I don't think he'll get enough minutes to consistently score goals.  I'm looking for around 15 from him this season, and about the same number of assists.

#2624090 Moving Jimmy Howard

Posted by kipwinger on 29 August 2015 - 12:09 PM

Closest I can find to what you were saying is this...http://thehockeywrit...ng-taylor-hall/


Which was Hall and Petry for Sheahan, Mantha, Pulkkinen, and Sproul.  Not Sheahan, Sproul, and a 1st. 


It was also an entirely speculative piece written by a writer for the Kelowna Daily Courier.  A periodical with about as much circulation as the Flint Journal.  Not an "Oilers reporter". 


Edit:  However, I'm not even really trying to blow your s*** up here.  If the Oilers would trade Taylor Hall for Jimmy, Smith, Sproul, and a pick I'd make that trade too. 

#2623925 Dan Cleary re-signing still possible?

Posted by kipwinger on 27 August 2015 - 08:38 AM

I would be very upset for sure! But there is another player who's name can be inserted in place of Cleary's and it would all mean the same...hasn't been useful in 3-4 years, its not 2009 anymore, at one point was a good locker room guy, just showing up to collect a paycheck...yet, everyone thinks this player will somehow channel his old self and return to his glory days!


I don't want either of them on this team, but for arguments sake, why is it not out of the realm of possibility to think that Cleary could also channel his old self? I doubt it will happen, just like I doubt the other player will either...at least there is mention of sending Cleary to GR to avoid losing a prospect to waivers for him....again...or will he?


Because Cleary didn't score 22 points in 33 games last season.  He scored 2 points in 17 games.  Franzen scored 11 times the points in just under half the amount of games Cleary played.  That's why it's reasonable to expect points from Franzen and not from Cleary.  Obviously. 


Your insistence that Franzen is washed up, and that he's somehow comparable to Cleary is completely and totally absurd. 

#2623517 Getting bigger.

Posted by kipwinger on 19 August 2015 - 11:45 AM

LOL, power forward...find us a goal of his where he even came close to battling and scoring a dirty goal while being a "beast" in front of the net.  I will give him his scoring props back in the day, but even at his size, he was never a power forward, he was always a finesse scorer from the slot.



I stopped watching after the first four goals, since they were all scored in and around the crease.  So here are four, off the bat.