Petry was just traded for a 2nd and a conditional 5th to the Habs.
The type of player they were hoping to get, a basic upgrade on Alexi
Holland gives up two, players that could have at least added depth or grown in trade value AND a second for a player 10 years older who is arguably as good as Cleary when you have decent depth to begin with...
Not saying it was a damaging trade... it just is another example where another team is able to get more for less.
Cole is arguably as good as Cleary?
Zero credibility after saying that.
"@Bill_Roose: Erik Cole will wear No. 72 in Detroit. He'll be first #RedWings player to don that number since Motor City Smitty (Brad Smith) in 1984-85."
Why O Why isn't Brendan Smith nicknamed "Motor City Smitty"? I'd cut him some slack if this could catch on.
According to THN, the Leafs want Smith for Phaneuf...any takers?
If Illitch really wanted Yzerman to replace Holland, you don't think he could have done this? Pretty sure a franchise that has helped Russians defect, could force a current GM to step aside. To me, Ilitch was trying to do some damage control when Yzerman left (for the sake of fans like you) by saying "I love Stevie, I did everything I could to get him to stay", when really he was probably thinking "I love Stevie, but Kenny's the best GM in the NHL, so I probably shouldn't force him to give up his job to a rookie GM"
Just my opinion, of course.
Not to mention, I'm not sure that giving former players important jobs within the organization is such a good thing. Especially if they haven't proven themselves. I don't care if Maltby is a scout, or Draper is an assistant. But I would be very reluctant to make a former player the GM or Coach or President of the team just because it would be popular with the fans.
Sooooo, the Cole trade was a good one then? Or bad? I'm confused by this thread?
Does Holland suck for the Cole thing or no? I mean, I already know he sucks for not giving his job to a less qualified dude, just because said dude is a feel good story. But does he suck for the trade?
If I was Erik Cole, I'd come into Detroit and get in a fight the first game I played. If you punch someone your first game, you can be completely pedestrian the rest of your time here and everyone will still love you. Just ask Brendan Smith.
I've found that being super condescending is a great way to get people to consider my point!
Yeah, suuuuure it is. Because you're so super, duper, ultra smart. Riiiiiiiiiiight. I never condescend, and that's the best way to get people to listen. But I wouldn't expect a girl like you to understand that.
Lol. Holland's overrated because his assistants are the ones who really do all the scouting, drafting, development?
If that's the standard, Holland is even better than you think. Because back when he was the Director of Amateur Scouting the Red Wings scouted and drafted Osgood, Konstantinov, Lidstrom, Lapointe, Fedorov, McCarty, Drake...
He's held, and excelled, at almost every single job in the organization because he's incredibly competent. No matter what the position, he's excelled at it. To say otherwise is laughable.
I like it. Cole should help play near the crease, which is something I wanted. And we didn't give up too much to get him. Backman made his own bed, so I'm not heart broken about that. Janmark is a good prospect with a lot of upside, but you've got to give to get. I remember when we traded Jarnkrok and sudden he became a "bust" that was too small, or too Euro, or too far down the depth chart. None of that is true, and isn't about Janmark either. But if he had no value, I doubt Nill would have wanted him. This helps us now, without sacrificing much later. I'm fine with it.
Posted by kipwinger
on 27 February 2015 - 02:03 PM
I can agree with that. I meant that the overall number doesn't matter when you're just judging a call on an individual basis. If it's a s***ty call it's a s***ty call so to speak, whether there's 4 in a game or 8. Saying that the Wings are benefitting more from bad calls this year I'd say is accurate. Don't know why it is, the style of game they play?
And I don't mind calling a spade a spade. A bad call IS a bad call, no matter who it's for or against. What irritates me is this persistent need to bellyache when a call goes against us, as if none have ever gone in our favor.
As far as why we get calls? I don't know. However, I'd venture to guess it's partially because A) we're good, and bad teams (or teams playing badly) tend to take more penalties, and B) we're historically very disciplined (so we get the benefit of the doubt).
Posted by kipwinger
on 27 February 2015 - 01:15 PM
Only difference is that we have legitimate gripes against the officiating, whereas most other fans can only regurgitate the "subtle interferencceeee!!!!" nonsense they memorized from Edzo.
I literally LOL'd when I saw them complaining that the Wings dive, not recognizing that their own team makes Olympic divers jealous.
We don't have legitimate gripes about the officiating. That's the problem. We're consistently one of the LEAST PENALIZED teams in the league. AND we're consistently GIVEN THE MOST POWERPLAYS.
Very few, if any, teams go to the box less, or go on the man advantage more. Them's the facts. I'd give the theory some credence if we never got a powerplay, or if we were always in the box. But neither of those things are true.
But for whatever reason our fans have internalized this belief that everybody is out to get them. Bettman hates us. The refs are throwing games. The media doesn't recognize our star players.
Posted by kipwinger
on 27 February 2015 - 12:54 PM
Decided to read the Sharks GDT on HFBoards.....Mother of God. Same usual nonsense, "refs refuse to call penalties on the wings", "subtle interference", "refs love the wings", "typical diving red wings", LOL.
Makes it even sweeter to beat a team whose fans are that clueless.
Read back through our GDT. It's no different. Our insistence that the refs are A) out to get us, B) the reason we're playing bad is EASILY the most annoying thing about our fan base. We'd win the President's Trophy every year if it weren't for the refs and/or Jakub Kindl.