kipwinger

ok, so according to that logic Rick Nash would score less for Detroit and Parise would score more if he played Columbus.  And you're basing this all on Robert Lang.  Gotcha.

Perhaps, but there's no way they will both accept such a discount, unless it's for one year only, like Selanne and Kariya once did. But put yourself in their shoes, is Detroit the best place for their one shot at a Cup together? Because at that price (14 mil for both) they can have their pick of ANY NHL team they want. And right now Detroit doesn't look like the team most poised to win the Cup next year.

And to sign them both long-term, the price tag will START at 20 mil.

Lolz.

Hey at least there are some folks willing to explain why they think I am in the wrong! Thank you guys!

Hey, Holland is gonna do what he is gonna do...Sure Suter may hate Detroit and will take less NOT to come here, that is fine too. I just don't see why everyone is getting excited over these guys who couldn't make it in the NHL before, didn't we learn our lesson's with Leino and Brunnstrom? I guess he could pan out to be a nice #6 or #7, I just don't hear no talk from Holland about being interested in Suter, he sure talks about guys over in Europe enough, you would think that he would say something...Hey, hopefully he signs everyone he wants to and turns this team back right...

I'm going to play a fun game I learned in college...

Premise 1:  Nick Listrom has been the best defenseman in the world for roughly 15 years.
Premise 2:  The Red Wings have not won 15 straight Stanley Cups.
Conclusion:  You don't need the best defenseman in the world to win the Stanley Cup.  


Please stop putting so much stock in this Suter thing.

...Overestimating what? Just so you know it usually helps if you explain yourself or offer evidence/support for arguments....if you even have any for whatever point your trying to make...

Didn't you know that unless every player on the farm is comparable to Ovechkin or Stamkos then they're terrible and should immediately be waived and replaced via free agency?  Wait, you knew that right?  For example: Tatar isn't Datsyuk so he's worthless.  In the minds of the simple that's pretty much exactly how it works on this forum.  Good luck in your future endeavors, but please, don't be optimistic or else you'll be considered a self diluted homer with no real hockey sense and only a messianic faith in Ken Holland.

Wouldn't make us any bigger on the blue-line.  Pretty typical wing defenseman size at 5-11 196.  But he is a right-handed shot, which we desperately need.

Couldn't be worse than Kindl.

Is Kindl officially the new Ericsson now?  LGW defensive whipping boy?  He was a rookie last year.  He had about 8 points and was plus 6 or something like that.  That's not all that bad for a seventh defenseman, can we please just wait a year or two before we feed him to the wolves?  Remember how it took about five full seasons (and Babock saying how valuable he was) before everybody got off Ericsson's back.  

Kindl's got a long way to go for sure, but at least give the kid the opportunity to get better.

Wait, correct me if I'm wrong: Didn't six years pass between the Cups in 2002 and 2008?  Didn't we see a ton of player turnover, including key players like Shanahan, Yzerman, and Fedorov?  Didn't we get bounced from the playoffs early a few times in those six years?  Didn't we make the playoffs every year in between based on the strength of the core?  How many people were screaming doom during those six year?  I've got to guess a whole lot of people were...

Didn't we inevitably win another Cup in 2008 and make it to the Finals again in 2009, once our young talent developed and reached maturity?

You can't win the Cup every year.  You can't make the Conference Finals every year.  The best you can do is make the playoffs every year, and once and a while make it over the top if an FA here or there, or a young rising star, makes a good team a great one.  

We've got the core.  We make the playoffs every year.  We've got good young talent developing, and money for a couple FA's.

What decline?

Edited: for typos...which are the bane of my existence.

No knock on Iginla, I think he's a great player and would love it if he were a free agent at the same time as Parise, which would help keep the prices down.  But he's not, and I certainly don't want us to trade away assets.  Addition without subtraction for this guy.  We're already not deep enough according to Holland and Babcock, I don't see how trading anybody is going to help that.

No need to be rude. I don't careif people agree with me or not. That is their right. Those that don't like what I post are always free to not read it. But they do and react. If my posts where not hitting a nerve, they wouldn't post.

That is 100% reasonable.

I'm as tolerant of a little bit of homophobia as I am tolerant of a little bit of racism.  Which is to say, I'm not tolerant of it at all.

read it again, it doesn't say pull YOUR **** out of your ass, it says pull THE **** out of your ass.

telling someone that there's something wrong with their head because they have a **** in the ass isn't homophobic?

Uh....ya, no. I only mentioned Semin after everyone else mentioned him becoming a F/A.  If you see my sig, it doesn't, nor has it had Semin mentioned in a long time.  I'd prefer just to sign Parise and Suter and Vokoun. So no, I don't mention in it every thread....an excuse me for talking about it in the "Semin" thread. And I have talked about plenty of stuff...Why don't you pull the **** out of your ass, its starting to mess with your head!

Awesome, not only are your comments extremely boring and full of gross over exaggerations, but now they're homophobic too.  I can't help but wonder if you're as single minded with your bigotry as you are with your hockey analysis.  

p.s.  I hope the moderators have something to say about this and not implicitly condone hate speech on this forum.

I cant stress enough that I for one do NOT want Semin on this team as long as we have Franzenfloat. He is lazy, underproduces, cant backcheck and would NOT fit into the system in Detroit SO unless he is willing to take a huge paycut and completely change his game, NO NO NO!

Actually the opposite, you have to quit stressing it and then Leftwinger will hopefully quite writing it.  He has found a way to talk about nothing but Parise and Semin in every current thread.  Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away.

I tend to agree.  he seems much better as a wing.  One way to put back on the wing is to sign (acquire somehow) two new wingers for Datsyuk (Parise & Semin(cheap) just suggesting names) which will put Franzen back down with Zetterberg (where I think he does a bit better) and that'll put Filppula back at third line center pushing Helm back to the 4th sliding Abby back to the wing.

Parise - Dastyul - Semin
Franzen - Zetterberg - Nyquist
Bertuzzi - Filppula - Cleary
Miller - Helm - Abdelkader
Eaves (homer)

You could flip Miller/Eaves and Homer in and out I guess, this would cause you to lose both Emmerton and Mursak though...unless Cleary is traded (which I do not see happening...)

Cleary, Eaves, and Miller are all much better wingers than Abdelkader.  You can't squeeze blood from a stone guys, abby is probably not ever going to be a productive point producer/finisher.  All of those other guys have shown that can.  Plus, everybody is constantly talking about getting bigger down the center.  Moving Abby accomplishes this, allows him to take draws (which he's good at), and gives him more defensive responsibility than the wingers (which he's also good at).  Why in the hell would you want him on the wing?

Bert-Helm-Cleary
Miller-Abby-Eaves

NWO4LIFE!!!

Simply put: I don't like Abdelkader as our fourth-line center.

That's fine, but where do you put him then?  You've already got Bert, Cleary, Eaves, Miller, Jursak, and potentially Holmstrom to divide between the 4 winger spots on the 3rd and 4th line.  And you can't deny he's better than Emmerton.