Yah, that one was just a CF all the way around. A bit of blame to go around on everyone. The funny thing about that goal is how no one blamed Nesty at all. If you watch the replay, his miss on Getz started it.
I mean, other the arguable "no call", I don't think any blame NEEDS to be directed. Kronwall toe picked, everyone thought a penalty was getting called, and Ryan Getzlaf is one of the best players in the world. In short, it was a flukey goal. I'm not too interested in pointing fingers on that one.
Nailbiters every game gets exhausting. I like good D, but I don't know why any player would want to play playoff hockey 80-100 games of the season. That seems excruciating.
Probably not to most of our bottom six players. If Babs had a different philosophy in mind, guys like Glendening, Andersson, and Nestrasil would still be in the AHL and Helm, Abby, and Miller would be on the fourth line. They're probably thrilled that he coaches the way he does. If he had any interest in scoring goals those guys would all be marginal NHL players.
Me too. But Holland doesn't get it done with producers (Hossa, Suter, Parise, Semin, Horton, etc.) For whatever reason, so we are left with potential as our trading candidate.
Agreed (partially). As such, if we're going to count on unknown quantities to step up, I'd rather we rely on the potential of our own prospects than hack defensemen making 4-5 million bucks a year. Myers scored 25 points last year and was bad defensively (all for around 5 million dollars a year). I'm POSITIVE that Ryan Sproul could score 25 pts and be bad defensively for a much more palpable price tag.
I'm in agreement with you. Meyers is young, big, and a good skater. Worth looking at in case he fills his potential and gets in the range of Victor Hedman. The others just aren't as appealing.
Is that what I said lol? I could have sworn I said I'd take Yandle, and leave Myers (and the other two) in the dust bin. Unlike much of the NHL watching masses, I'm not mesmerized by big guys just because they're big. He's an underachiever who makes too much money. I want producers, not question marks.
None of Petry, Bogosian, or Myers is noticeably better than Brendan Smith, and all of them are worse than our top three defensemen. As such, I'm not willing to give very much in trade. I'm definitely not losing the first goal scoring winger (with size) that we've developed in ten years for a new fourth best defenseman.
Yandle sure. He's legit. But just say "no" to the still-waiting-to-reach-their-potential club.
Are you saying hell no in that you wouldn't do it? (because I obviously wouldn't either...) or that it wouldn't cost that much? Because I think it would cost that (or in that ballpark...)
I've got to disagree with you there buddy. I don't think it would take that much. The last three players of that quality to get traded were Bobby Ryan, Jason Spezza, and Ryan Kesler, and none of them went for that kind of return. Actually, not even close to that really.
Just let me get this straight : Because Alfie made a "piss poor" decision, it's all Holland fault ? When Alfie choose us above the Bruins despite our slim chances to win him a Cup shouldn't Holland get credit for bringing such a player here ?
I think the point is that Holland shouldn't get credit for anything...ever.
Kip, I do like those lines but not exactly what I'd go with, but then again, not many people are going to agree on the exact same lines and defense pairings... Who would you scratch / send down / call up with that option available?
My lines would look something like this...
Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen
Tatar - Datsyuk - Jurco
Helm - Weiss - Sheahan (I know you'll hate this line with 3 centers but I think it could be a great 3rd line until Weiss gets going...)
Miller - Glendening - Abdelkader
Kronwall - Ericsson
DeKeyser - Smith
Quincey - Ouellet
I largely agree, but you're right, I hate that third line. Weiss isn't going to get going if you give him two linemates who have never played on the wing for any significant amount of time, and haven't ever really been known for offensive production when at their natural positions. Putting Weiss with nonscorers means he's got to shoulder the offensive load, which is the exact opposite of easing him into it until his confidence returns. Give him wingers or trade/waive him. Carolina would pick him up tomorrow (all their centers are hurt and they suck).
Anyway, heading out for the night. Good talking to you though.
Ask the GM then why he keeps signing or trading the future for guys that don't fit with the coach ? It's like a boss buying a gaming pc and expects you to do higher end video editing with it (won't work).
The GM has had the exact same philosophy since he took over the position in 1997 and it's been pretty successful. I'm not sure why you think he should change it for the coach all of a sudden. We have drafted and developed based on skill for 20+ years. Our organization (from top to bottom) is founded upon it, our scouts are some of the best in the world at seeing a guy like Gustav Nyquist and imagining what he'll be when he matures. You want them to stop doing that and change the whole organizational philosophy because you don't like it? So what? It works.
Secondly, stop with thef****** hyperbole will you? Nobody "traded the future" for anything. We've got so many NHL ready prospects we can't get them all into the lineup, and we've got even better prospects coming. It would be a lot easier to talk to you if didn't constantly distort reality to justify some anodyne point you're stuck on for the day.
I do somewhat agree with what Babs is saying, in that Pav will be a huge boost offensively. But once again he is making fans scratch their collective heads, wondering why the hell Weiss hasn't been added to the lineup with so many borderline 3/4 line players in. All of the players you mentioned have impressed me in the first two games, especially Abdelkader, but he still should not be in the top 6. Just curious Kip, what would your ideal forward lines and defense pairings look like with everyone healthy?
I'm not mad as long as we're winning. I just don't think it's some big mystery why we're not scoring much. And I completely agree with you that those guys have been impressive. They've played the game they're supposed to. That game just happens not to be very offensive.
That's with everyone healthy and no roster changes. Obviously, if I could start waiving guys and promoting guys then it would change a little, but not much.
"I think we've played hard, we've played well. We've been in 10 games now, we haven't scored. So, eight in the exhibition and then two in the regular season and you don't score real easy so far. We're looking forward to Pavel (Datsyuk) to get back one day and get guys back in their right spots and we might score a little more. I'm impressed with how hard we work. I'm impressed with our specialty teams, impressed with our team speed. We've got to finish more."
Think that has anything to do with the fact that you're dressing Abby, Helm, Miller, Glendening, Andersson, and Nestrasil? I mean, what a surprise that your first line produced more when you replaced Abby with Nyquist. Hard to believe putting offensive players in offensive situations yields offense.
If you want more offensive maybe send "Nesty" back down for someone who can score, or get Andersson off the wing (or off the team), or try plugging Weiss in...ya know...because he's been consistently good offensively his entire career. Just a couple of thoughts anyway.
But in all fairness isn't that the best way to beat pretty much any team?
Maybe, but if you transition well then teams generally won't forecheck as hard for fear of giving up odd man rushes. Our defense doesn't get the puck up very well, so teams don't have to worry about laying back. They seem to press hard knowing that they're not going to get burnt deep.
And even if that's the same game plan everyone has, we seem to be especially susceptible to it for a couple of seasons now.
I'm not complaining too much about the Getzlaf goal, I'm more upset with Kronwall than the refs. I know if the reverse happened and the refs called a penalty on Detroit, I'd be complaining a bit....one hand reach with the stick, barely makes contact...no call as far as I'm concerned, but would still complain about it because it's against Detroit...that's the bias.
The other thing to consider is the goal Detroit shouldn't have gotten earlier when Franzen failed to clear the zone (unless I'm missing something) - clear offside on the Glendening goal...shouldn't have been 2-2 at that point anyway.
It's an easy play to get incensed about because it was the game winner and it was there was a questionable no call. But, truth be told it was flukey and it'll even out at some point. Much more troubling to me were the two seemingly routine plays that ended up in the back of our net. Howard and Smith's turnovers were both due to an inability to handle the forecheck effectively. It's a problem we had last year too. Babs needs to get that sorted out pronto, because unlike flukey no-calls, and defensemen toe picks, this problem is likely to repeat itself over and over as other teams realize the best way to beat Detroit is to forecheck the hell out of us.