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#2605454 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 03:40 PM

You know who will be better next year as well? Detroit. We have two young point producers, a fast, aggressive, shutdown fourth line, a power forward who just had a monster year, and a goalie who won't totally suck in overtimes/ shootouts.

#2605442 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 03:16 PM

And like I said, if he can't win without a datsuk or zetterberg then he's not that good.

#2605420 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 02:43 PM

Rather do a trade if possible

Ward williams upfront could be nice additions

Back end I think a trade would be in our best interest considering the defensemen available are mostly 3rd pairing guys which I'm sure could help but we need a top 4
I think you should stop coming up with excuses for weiss ... Let it go

He's a bust

Had like one 60 pt yr ... He was never gonna be a 60-70pt 2nd line guy here ... Took a chance and didn't work


I agree he is a bust.  But neither you, nor Ken Holland, knew that at the time of the trade.  People act like Holland traded for a player who was already a bust.  Which isn't true.  His sports hernia, failure to do anything about it, subsequent surgery, and improper rehab were the death knell of Stephen Weiss' career.  All of which happened after the trade. 

#2605418 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 02:40 PM

The suburbs of Detroit are some of the most affluent in the country.  And downtown is WAY nicer than it was 10 years ago.  It's on the uptick for sure.


Plus, 3-5 million (or whatever Babs will get) goes a lot further in Michigan than it does in California.  Just food for thought.

#2605407 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 02:30 PM

Nashville was doing great before Cody Franson joined the lineup,after the trade is when Nashville started to fall off of the wagon.


That's fairly spurious.  Detroit was doing great before they got Cole and Zidlicky, after which they struggled.  But it would be wrong to insinuate that Cole and Zidlicky were the cause of the drop off. 

I'd rather have Holland try to find an upgrade on the trade front as opposed to the free agent market. Just not a lot of interesting names, add in the high salaries and you might end up with another Weiss.


A 60 point player who gets injured after the trade and then fails to regain is pre-injury form?

#2605395 Locker room Clean-Out Updates

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 02:16 PM

If his wife is rational like he is, she probably wants him to further his career and go for expanded responsibility or a GM spot. I think he likes what he's doing and doesn't much care about career implications.


Or maybe she has ambitions of her own?  That would be rational I think. 


Or hell, maybe she just wants to stay in the place that's been her home for a decade.  Where her kids grew up, and her friends live, and she feels comfortable?


I don't think there's a ton of use speculating about the desires of Mike Babcock's wife.  Especially since, unlike her husband, we know jack squat about her as a person. 

#2605360 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 12:44 PM


It's hard to bring up Tatar and Nyquist in a positive light after these last few playoffs.  They're old enough now where I wanted to see them take the bull by the horns.  Instead, all I saw is that we're in trouble when Datsyuk and Zetterberg retire.  Of course, I may be wrong, but you're not right either.  We haven't yet seen that these two players are top tier players that can carry us in big moments.  They need a star player around them, like a Datsyuk, Giroux, Crosby type for them to excel.  Even then they haven't done so in the last two playoffs with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.  To me, they look like followers and not leaders.  


Dekeyser is a defensive defenseman that can be a top 4 guy.  He's not a GR player that people have raved about, because his background had nothing to do with GR.  I was talking about Smith and not Dekeyser.  


While I don't disagree with your logic, I will say this.  Tatar and Nyquist have outperformed Datsyuk and Zetterberg (both regular season and playoffs) at similar points in their careers.  Dats and Z weren't very good in the playoffs at all during their first few years.  And they were about the same ages when they came into the league (arguably both with MORE experience than Nyquist or Tats). 


I agree, there's nothing to guarantee that either of these guys will be stars.  But based on the information we have, and observation and comparison to our last two stars, I don't think it's out of the question either.  At the very least it's premature to think these two guys are don't improving given their respective ages and experience levels.  Consistent 65-70 point seasons is not out of the question for either of them.  Which isn't super star talent, but isn't anything to scoff at either. 

#2605356 Sigh, having a relapse of irritation

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 12:37 PM

Well, you eventually need scoring threats...Pulkinnen is a scoring threat and I think he should have been in there somewhere.  Ferraro played the last game of the season and then all of a sudden he is a fixture.  Not really sure why.  I would have scratched him rather than pulks.  I like Jurco's "battle" and Andersson...well he was there all year.  He did get that fluky goal...


Right, but you're creating one hole to fill another.  The Miller-Glendenig-Ferraro line was absolutely steller defensively all series long.  They, more than anything else (except maybe Mrazek) kept us in the series.  But it's a catch-22.  In order to keep Tampa's offense at bay, you had to play our fourth line 18 minutes a night.  And if you do that, you won't score much.  So you've got to take advantage of the chances you get.  We didn't. 


Plus don't forget that Pulkkinen wasn't exactly scoring like gangbusters before he was sent down.  He's not that much of a scoring threat at this point in his NHL tenure.  He's also slow as hell, and Babcock stated he wanted a fast roster to keep up with Tampa.


I think the right decision was made.  We played as well as we could have without winning, but in the end we lost to a team that was simply much deeper and more talented than we were.  Just like Chicago two years ago.

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#2605350 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 12:31 PM


True.  I wasn't so much refuting what he said as just commenting on what has been a common theme about Babcock's potential new teams.  There's been a lot of speculation about him going somewhere that he could act as GM as well but I'm not sure what it's based on anything other than the natural assumption that most coaches want more control over their roster.  


I'm just not sure that's his style. 


I mean, he hired an assistant coach who a few years prior basically wanted to climb onto his bench and kick his ass. The guy apparently thrives on conflict :lol:


I knew there was a reason I liked Tony Granato lol. 

#2605346 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 12:25 PM

Plus Julien has that sweet ham-neck that makes everything he does funnier


I like to imagine this sound coming out of Julien in that picture. 


#2605324 should mrazek get #1 tag next season

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 11:28 AM

I'd be really careful about fully trusting Mrazek with the starting job right now.  Not because he hasn't been excellent.  But because our system limits shots to such a degree that it's a little easier for a young guy to come in and play well.  Certainly he had huge games, where he faced a lot of shots and did well, but he also had a lot of games where he didn't face many at all. 


If Babs leaves, and the system becomes less (excruciatingly) defensive, Mrazek will face more shots on average.  And I'd feel more comfortable if we had a veteran like Howard there for insurance.  If the kid plays well, then no sweat.  And if he struggles at first, you're safe. 

#2605322 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 11:23 AM


Jurco, yeah, I get that. Smith too. But Pulk hasn't had much of a chance here yet. And you could say the same even for Jurco on some level. Don't get me wrong, I think we overvalue a lot of guys too, but I think there's a chance some of these guys stand to come out looking better than they do right now over the next couple years. 


That said, I do think there's something to be said for moving prospects for NHL-ready talent if you can. I'm not one of those whining about all the guys we gave up, and if it meant adding significant pieces to round out this team, I could stand to lose some of our better talent coming up. It's part of the game. You hang onto everybody, you're bound to get burnt, and vice versa. Holland could stand to find more of a middle ground than he has and we might have a more well-rounded defensive group.


I agree.  I said as much above.  "In all cases I think it's too early to tell just how good they'll be". 


As far as moving prospects, I'm not opposed to it.  But I'm not in favor of moving prospects for marginally better talent, on much worse contracts.  The good thing about hanging onto homegrown players is that you can manage the evolution of their salaries a little bit easier because of restricted free agency, bridge contracts, and (hopefully) hometown discounts.  Which is good for the team's cap situation.  So unless it's a slam dunk, and the guy you're trading for is WAY better, it's usually best to just keep your guys. 


Honestly, I'd rather see Holland overpay in free agency than overpay at the trade deadline.

#2605306 Sigh, having a relapse of irritation

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 10:46 AM

We scored a whole 2 goals in the last 2 games.  I wonder if Pulkinnen was a better option in this series than Ferraro.


As a fourth line winger?  I'm not really sure if Ferraro was being counted on to score.  The more relevant question would be "I wonder if Pulkkinen was a better option in this series than Jurco or Andersson"?


I still don't think so, but that seems a little more of a fair comparison. 

#2605301 ECSF : (4) Washington Capitals vs. (1) New York Rangers

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 10:25 AM




I actually have no issues with that hit. It was sort of from behind I guess. Backstrom makes initial contact with Boyle's shoulder, not his head, his skates more or less stay on the ice, and there wasn't a lot of force or much of a charge. Palat on Glendenning was way worse, only Luke is tough and Boyle's softer than a peach.


But man, this series is going to be good.


Just wait until Tom Wilson makes an impact.  If they're bitching about Backstrom being on the edge, they're going to love Wilson.  He made the Islanders completely lose their composure.  He's a little like Glendening, only way bigger and tougher.  If a fourth liner is completely jamming you up, you're in trouble. 

#2605300 ECSF: Tampa Bay Crying Coopers vs. Montreal Complaining Canadiens

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 10:22 AM

There are whiners, and then there is Claude Julien...King of the Whiners.