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#2605282 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 09:42 AM


You mean in terms of quality or in terms of where Babcock will play them?


Babcock had Abdelkader on the top line, but I don't think he's a top line player around the league. Same thing with Ericsson being played on the top pair.    


Ok, but I didn't ask about Abby or Ericsson.  I'm asking about Tatar, Nyquist, and Dekeyser because they were our most heralded young players, and you previously said "I've been listening to people for years tell me how great our prospects are, and they turn out to be decent 2nd pair defensemen and 3rd line players, at best". 


I'm serious just wondering if you're including them in there, or are you talking about our lesser prospect.  Because you'd have a point with Pulkkinen or Smith.  But I think no matter how you cut it, Tatar and Nyquist are legit top six forwards, and Dekeyser is a legit top four defenseman.  And considering they're only just finishing up their sophmore years, I don't think it's a stretch to think they'll continue to improve their games as well. 

#2605273 ECSF : (4) Washington Capitals vs. (1) New York Rangers

Posted by kipwinger on 01 May 2015 - 09:22 AM

Wouldn't it be satisfying to watch him run wild all over the Blackhawks in the Cup finals?

#2605165 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 07:07 PM

Drew Stafford and cody franson please.

#2605103 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 03:08 PM


How do you define "competitive"?  Making the playoffs every year and losing in the early round?


If so, then I agree that we're competitive.


Since when do we need to measure team success against Edmonton and Buffalo?   


How often would we need to win the Cup for you to consider our organization "competitive" if we aren't now?

#2605084 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 02:24 PM

AN "OZ" REFERENCE?!?! One of my favorite shows of all time, and not just because of all the gratuitous peen. You complete me, kip.


I was wondering if that reference would be too in the weeds.  I should have known better. 

#2605059 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 01:42 PM


You wrote more than you needed to.  My whole point is that Holland's previous successes shouldn't give him immunity at his current job.  Immunity is dangerous at any job.  If I had immunity at my job, I'd have strippers and scotch here every day


But it's not just "past successes".  That's the point.  He's still a very successful GM, and his teams are still very successful.  It's not like we're stinking up the place, missing the playoffs, and competing for lottery picks. 


I agree that you should have total immunity at your job.  But you also shouldn't be fired if you don't remain at the absolute apex of your industry in perpetuity.


We've gone six years since our last Cup.  Exactly the same amount of time between our Cups in 2002 and 2008.  It would have been a mistake to fire Holland back then, and it would be a mistake now.

#2605055 Things you would like to see for 2015-16 Season

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 01:37 PM

I...I would weep with joy.


Whatevs.  You just want another Wing to crush on.  Ladies love Ryan O'Reilly. 


Just ask this chick...



#2605044 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 01:24 PM


Granato seems to have done good things here in Detroit, but I don't know about him as a head coach. 


He's had a couple shots at the job but keeps up ending back as an assistant.  It's hard to say for sure but there's likely a reason for that.  Some guys function better in that role of being on the side closer to the players versus overseeing the whole team and having to be the bad guy at times.


He's been a head coach for 3 seasons, went to the playoffs twice, and won a round.  I don't know, because I obviously wasn't watching Colorado in 2003-2004, but that doesn't seem terrible.  Maybe there is something there, but his record doesn't suggest a wash out to me. 


But like I said, I don't know. 

Seriously, based on results, why the love for Tippet?


What makes people think he could do better with our roster?  


Because he's won a ton of games under arguably the worst possible conditions.  And because he's done so with a roster that's about 1/5 as good as our current one.   


Fun fact.  You know how many 80 point players Dave Tippett has coached in his entire career?  Two.  Mike Ribeiro and Mike Modano.  You know how many 80 point players Mike Babcock coached on the 2005 Red Wings alone?  Four. 


Think about that.  The best players he's ever coached..ever...were Modano, Ribiero, and Yandle.  His best goalie was Bryzgalov. BRYZGALOV!

#2605039 Detroit Red Wings 2014/2015 Eulogy

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 01:16 PM

I usually really love these, but this one was boring.  Nothing like the Philadelphia eulogy from a year ago.  That one was brutal. 

#2604992 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 11:55 AM

My votes would be Tippett (if available), Blash, McClellen, Granato. 

#2604976 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 11:15 AM

Again, are you just ignoring the fact that Holland has gone out chasing every big name hard for years now? Did you forget that he had monster deals on the table for Parise and Suter as well? I don't get how people can just go with that "it was the smart thing to do" when he clearly, blatantly has tried to do something different every year now. He just hasn't landed the guys that he was chasing and then had to plug holes with FA scrubs and youth.

And don't get me wrong, youth is good and our drafting is great relative to the picks we get, but we are not a complete team. We struggle and fight and will ourselves to more success than we likely deserve if you're just going by what's on paper.

The bar is not just free agency and trades, but it's a huge part of the game still. You can't just draft all the players you need, especially when you don't get high picks like we do. You have to be able to augment the team via trade and free agency as well. Holland has not done a good job of that lately, plain and simple. Like I've said for a long time, he gets so caught up chasing the big names that he's missed other opportunities to improve the middle of this team, and he ends up with scraps in free agency.

And it's ludicrous to ignore how much money we've spent in the last few years on guys that don't play. Odd circumstances aside, we've been paying a lot of guys way too much money to practice or play in Grand Rapids. That is just plain stupid, and again, in many cases, the result of not being more pragmatic right when the deadline hits.


Guys like Parise and Suter are significantly better than anything that we had coming up.  Those 2nd and 3rd tier free agents are marginally better than what we had coming up (or in some cases not better at all).  All free agents aren't made alike.  I don't mind Holland trying to land REALLY good ones.  I also don't mind Holland being conservative and not overspending on the SORTA good ones. 


It seems like people just want free agents for the sake of it.  I don't.  I'm happier with Nyquist or Tatar than I would be with Pominville or Vanek.  Apparently, so is Holland.


I also agree that some of his acquisitions have blown up in his face.  Weiss, Cole, Zidlicky, Tootoo, Sammy, etc.  Which should indicate the inherent risk associated with free agency/trades.  I'm glad that we've got someone who's cautious when it comes to these sorts of moves, because they don't work far more than they do. 


It almost seems like people around here think that if Holland made MORE moves, that there would be LESS risk.  Which is silly.  Very few signings/trades are slam dunks, and when they are (Suter, Parise) you've got a lot of competition. 

#2604969 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 10:55 AM

I think they already announced that their coaching staff would be back next year.. babs being available could change things though, no doubt.

If Babcock doesn't coach the wings next year though, I hope he goes to the western conference.


If Babs doesn't coach the Wings next year, I hope he stays in the East so that I can watch Blashill beat him all season long with his old roster. 

#2604899 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by kipwinger on 30 April 2015 - 08:11 AM

Whelp, I've given myself about 12 hours to digest this and my preliminary thoughts are...


1)  If you don't blow leads in the third period, you'd be in Montreal already.

2)  The kids were better than they were a year ago in the playoffs, so glad to see some improvement (6 goals and 3 assists from Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan).

3)  Datsyuk and Zetterberg look ooooooooooold. 

4)  Anybody seen Zetterberg, Abby, and Helm?  Me neither. 

#2603326 At What Point Does Holland Deserve Blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 April 2015 - 11:47 AM

I think Holland's plan for post-Lidstrom was..."We'll take a run at Suter, and if not, no harm done.  We've got Kronwall and he's a legit number 1". 


I don't think failing to replace Lids was as big of a screw up as failing to round out the top four with legit  top four players.  We replaced Lids with the best we could manage, but we didn't replace Rafalski, Stuart, or Kronwall with anything special. 

#2603294 ECQF Game 7 GDT : at Lightning 2, Red Wings 0 (Tampa wins series, 4-3)

Posted by kipwinger on 29 April 2015 - 11:09 AM


Let's hope so. 


I hope Kindl gets the game winner.  Then the Wings can deal him in the offseason.   ;)


I'm trying to stay positive here.  Losing Kronwall is seriously the absolute worst thing that could happen to this team right now.  Worse than losing Pav, Abby, Mrazek.  Anybody.  I'm actually about to "follow" Kindl on twitter and spend him inspirational messages all day long.  Just to do my part.