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#2526056 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 27 June 2014 - 08:30 AM

Well he did say in an interview (which I read in one of Malik's diatribes so I'm no willing to go dig it up) that term is "generally" more important to him than salary.  Though I'm not suggesting anyone interpret that as Niskanen saying "I'm looking for long term to the EXCLUSION of salary". 


Like I said, I'm expecting 5 years at less than 6 mil.  In other words, Wisniewski money and term...which he's worth.  Obviously he COULD get more elsewhere, but only from a bottom dweller with unlimited cap space.  And why would Matt Niskanen walk away from playing with Crosby or Malkin for the rest of his career to play on a worse team less likely to win?  This kid's looking to win.  I don't think he prices himself out of the market for that reason alone. 

#2526054 NHL Draft 2014: First Round

Posted by kipwinger on 27 June 2014 - 08:23 AM

Yeah, I see him trading down.  Someone they like is going to slide down the chart given how bunched together everyone is after the top five or six picks.  I called Kempe a few months ago, and I'm sticking with it.  They'll trade back two or three spots, still get their man, and get a 2nd to replace the one lost in the Legwand clusterf***. 


Edit:  Larkin wouldn't be a bad pick either, and he's a center (Tyler Wright seemed to indicate this would matter).  But I'm sticking with Kempe.

#2525846 Wings to have face to face with Matt Niskanen

Posted by kipwinger on 26 June 2014 - 12:07 PM

KH:  "Hey Matt, you should sign with us".

MN:  "Why would I do that?  You're a worse team than the one I'm leaving and you've done nothing to improve."

KH:  "Oh by the way, we're going to need you to sign for less than you'd make elsewhere".

MN:  Lol. 

#2525780 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2014 - 09:50 PM


Sproul’s will be better  ;)


I hope so.  I'd love to see it.  I'm thinking that kid is going to be really good.

#2525778 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2014 - 09:46 PM


You can have Wiz. I’ll take Kronwall 10 out of 10 times. 


I'd like them both.  Wiz's shot on the other side of our PP would be lethal. 

#2525707 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2014 - 12:58 PM


Personally I'd take Smith over Niskanen. Smith has more potential IMO, and I think Niskanen has been hyped tremendously because he's the best free agent D man. That's not to say he isn't good. But he's definitely not worth $6 million a year. Dollars aren't everything, but I think Smith has the potential to end up a better D man. 


And Kesler is good yes, but wouldn't you rather have both him and Helm? I know I would. 


Lol.  You're changing your tune.  Previously you said we'd be worse off with Kesler and Niskanen than Smith and Helm.  I'm not going to argue about Smith's potential, everybody knows how I feel about that.  But at the very least it's clear that right now, at their respective levels of development, Smith is not better than Niskanen.  At all. 


Likewise, I wouldn't argue that it would always be better to have BOTH Kesler and Helm.  But that's not what you said.  You insinuated that we'd be worse because Helm is one of our best defensive forwards.  But we'd be replacing him with one of the best defensive forwards in the league. 


You're entitled to your opinion.  Obviously.  But if we swapped Smith and Helm for Niskanen and Kesler we'd be a better team overnight.  And we'd stay a better team for the forseeable future barring some freakish developmental jumps from Smith and Helm that (so far in their careers) they've not shown they were capable of.  For instance, let Smith score 20 NHL points in one season before we anoint him the next big puck mover.  Niskanen did that and more as a 20 year old rookie. 

#2525688 Callahan re-signs with Lightning for 6 years 34.8m

Posted by kipwinger on 25 June 2014 - 11:32 AM

His points per game are nearly identical to Dustin Brown's, and he brings all the same intangibles, for the same contract.  I don't think this is a bad deal at all.  It's not a steal for sure, but I think only the Red Wings and Red Wings fans believe each and every contract negotiation should end in the teams' favor.

#2525507 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 24 June 2014 - 03:52 PM

Well, to be fair Shea Weber didn't even project to be Shea Weber when he has drafted.  Nor did Subban, Chara, or Keith.  The only first rate d-men I'm aware of that were so highly thought of were Karlsson, Pietrangelo, and Doughty.  Brad Stuart (god love him) was a third overall pick after all.  And while I'm a big Stuart fan, I'd have been a little irritated had I spent a 3rd overall on him.


In general I always have more faith in "can't miss" forwards than I do in defensemen.  It just seems that the developmental arch for d-men is too hard to predict with confidence. 

#2525495 Wings "in the mix" for Iginla

Posted by kipwinger on 24 June 2014 - 01:47 PM


Agreed, but the tendency around here is outrage over signing anyone even approaching the twilight of their career. Iginla contributed 61 pts last year, that's better than most players currently in their prime.


Also agreed.  Although I'd caution anyone against thinking would be likely on our team.  I'd be amazed if he put up 50 pts. with our anemic offense. 


But sure, on the right team, with the right roster, and the right system, vets can be a big help.  For those of us (like me) who are skeptical of signing more aging vets, I think the argument is that we're not the right team.  Teams full of high end talent in their primes can add around the edges with aging vets.  A team full of guys who are aging and injury prone probably shouldn't (is my argument). 

#2525451 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 24 June 2014 - 10:19 AM

Or he realizes you can't restock your team in free agency anymore and he doesn't want to trade most of their good prospects to get 2 or 3 guys. You're not going to get a good young player for Franzen Pulkinen and Ferraro or the other proposals thrown out around here.


I don't think anyone is talking about "building from free agency".  We draft and develop well and should continue to do so.  But I don't think you can argue that trades and/or free agency can be a source of significant parts of championship teams.  It's worth noting that Carter, Richards, Gaborik, Williams, B. Richards, Nash, St. Louis, Brassard, and Puliot all played significant parts in their respective teams' cup runs and none were drafted or developed by those teams. 


I agree that you can't buy success.  But I think it's a false dichotomy to suggest that the only choices are A) to draft and develop your own team with minimal additions from outside, or B) buy a team through free agency and pay no attention to drafting and developing. 


You can do both a little of both with great success.  Recently KH has only shown a willingness to make peripheral moves through trade/FA (unless you consider signing a 41 year old on the downswing of his career a significant acquisition).  And by his own admission his prospect pool doesn't have the first rate players to replace the ones he's currently losing to old age. 

#2525432 Alfie informs Wings he wants to return

Posted by kipwinger on 24 June 2014 - 08:40 AM

I'm not really shocked that everybody's ok with this.  I'm positive that if this were some other 42 year old who scored 49 pts. last year people would be calling for Holland's head.  Hell, people were more than happy to see Legwand walk and he scored 51 pts. last year.  But it's "Alfie" and so our collective intelligence flies out the window.  This all but ensures our forward lines are not noticeably different this year.  It also means that no quality free agents come our way (not that we'd have paid for them anyway).  Why would anybody who wants to win come to a team that BARELY made the playoffs this year, got roasted in the first round, and then did nothing at all to improve themselves?  To play with Dats and Z?  Not really sure that has the allure it did five years ago. 


Meanwhile, rumor has it that both St. Louis and Chicago are in on Kesler.  WAY better teams than us are trying to get better and we've standing pat with our fingers crossed, hoping that it's really just bad luck holding us back. 


It's not.

#2525267 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 01:08 PM

This means Niskanen will be asking for 8-9mil. It's good to be D man in NHL.


It means Niskanen will get similar money but longer term.  He had the same year as Markov without the track record of success.  Why would he make so much more?

#2525243 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 11:28 AM

Hartnell and Umberger are basically the same player.  And both are incredibly valuable secondary players.  Good trade by the BJs considering Umberger wanted out.  They got good value for a guy who I'm sure they'd rather have kept. 


p.s. I still hate Hartnell...with a passion. 

#2525233 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 10:52 AM

If i meant them getting Sproul in the lineup who is much cheaper, letting them resign young talent like Jurco, Goose, etc, and can provide offense on the 3rd pairing and the PP? Yes. 


I mean, I don't disagree with your logic.  I just have a hard time imagining KH moving ANY roster player.  The combination of Ericsson being "home grown" and Holland being so loyal that he'd rather watch his team tank than move a guy who has value, makes me believe he'll never...EVER...trade a homegrown top pairing d-man. 

#2525222 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 23 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

I honestly think that in Holland's mind Datsyuk and Zetterberg are still 29 or 30 years old.  I think that when he envisions his roster he thinks to himself "I've got two of the best two way players on earth to build around.  I've just got to add around the edges". 


Sadly, they aren't that.  Not anymore.  Without significant help they won't get it done anymore.  And should we wake up one day to find that Nyquist and Tatar are the next Filppula and Hudler (rather than the next Eurotwins) we're in real trouble. 


It's not everyday that players as good as Kesler become available during the primes of their careers.  To avoid pursuing a guy like that because he'd cost too many prospects or mid-tier roster players is nuts. 

"Wait for it.... Waittttt forrrr itttttt" -KH


Haha, story of the last 5 years.  At what point does Holland finally realize that the price for talented players isn't going to come down?