If anything I think Kesler is getting underrated in this thread. He dives and is kind of an idiot at times, but the guy has put up two 70+ points seasons, scored over 40 goals before, and is a responsible forward who's tough to play against.
I don't expect that he'd put up 70 points on the Wings or pot 40 goals again, but he could be good for 20+ goals and 50+ points.
How many players on Detroit currently could do that while playing Selke worthy defense?
My biggest concerns with Kesler would be the d-bag factor and his health. I'd hope that in Detroit he'd knock off most of the diving. Though I hear that's already reduced under Tortorella.
All in all though it's theoretical. I think it's extremely unlikely he's coming to the Wings.
I'm not going to preach to the choir, but yes, Ryan Kesler is a super good hockey player. You're correct that he's being underrated here.
Wait wait wait, that jostles my memory. He did say Poilliot but would need some sort of piece coming back. The writer commented that last time he upped the ante and requested a piece in return, it ended up being Pascal Depres.
Is "Pascal Depres" a frankenstein monster made up of Pascal Dupuis and Simon Despres?
I'd still rather trade Nyquist than Tatar. He's the better player sure, but because of that he'll get you the better return. Plus Tatar is aggressive. We don't have enough of that. He's harder to play against and gives us a different dynamic. Nyquist is really skilled, but he essentially plays the same style as everybody else. In another year or two when Tatar's up around 195 lbs. he's going to be a motherf*cker to play against.
sheahan has already proven he's capable of a 3rd line center role. he's out of waiver options next year so he'll probably be here unless he is traded. he also brings some size that this team needs up front.
helm isn't good enough to be a 2nd line center, and he's too expensive to be a 4th line center. he also has back issues to take into consideration.
hence, he's expendable.
I"m not sure having a single back injury is the same as having back issues. Zetterberg has back issues, Bertuzzi has back issues. Helm had a back injury.
He's apparently fine. Selections come out, he's upset. Then he says he wants out. What other reason would he have?
It's hard to say, maybe he'd been told he was going to make the team then didn't. Maybe they wanted him and Stamkos together, and when Stamkos went down St. Louis was dropped. Maybe it really is just that he felt snubbed given that he's playing at an INSANELY high level the last couple years.
You're right, it's pretty clearly about the Olympics...but I think there's probably more to the story than just "I didn't make it so I'm mad". He didn't make it in 2010 and didn't ask for a trade, so if it's just about being a baby over an Olympic snub...why not then?
I think Kenny's being coy, he's trading that 1st in a package. He's go so many quality prospects he's about to start losing them and this year's draft class is relatively thin...of all the years to trade your pick now is the time.
Martin St. Louis has been one of the most respected and well thought of players in the NHL for a very long time. I don't think he turned into a ****** bag overnight. Something happened, we don't know what it was. When it comes out, he might be the bad guy...which is fine. But currently there's no reason to think that a career class act all of a sudden decided to act like a baby.
It seems like people are trying to make their case for fighting vs. no fighting by using this incident in microcosm. Truth is, Neil (meathead that he is) shouldn't be suspended for a pretty harmless scrum at the end of the play. Likewise, Franzen didn't "use his stick as a weapon" or "poke a bear" and therefore doesn't really need to defend himself.
If we're being honest it probably went something like this. Franzen was having an awesome game and making Ottawa look REALLY bad at home. Neil, being a fan favorite, veteran, and renowned pest didn't like being shown up at home. As such, he decided he was going to give Franzen a little extra attention in the third period. Franzen, not enjoying being buzzed, clipped, and generally roughed up took a couple of whacks at Neil (as almost ALL skill players do when being harassed, see: Kessel, Phil), and Neil did as he's always been known to do and escalated it into a scrum. At which point the refs took control and tossed them both, partially to make sure nothing more serious happened and largely because the game was out of reach and it wouldn't matter.
No harm, no foul. Opponents of fighting (like me) can call Neil a meathead, and proponents can call Franzen soft, yellow, a coward. But the truth is, this incident is really a poor way of making a case for either.
I'm sure you could put him on the Wing, but he adds such a big advantage at center I would rather try Weiss on the Wing.
Seems like a Catch-22 to me. The advantage you'd gain by having Kesler at his natural position would likely be offset by the disadvantage you'd have by playing Weiss at a position he's never played in his 10 year career. Pick your poison I guess.
Legitimate question, but weren't all of Kesler's most productive years on the wing? I swear I read (prior to him being mentioned in trade rumors) that Vancouver wanted to bring in a second line center to pay with Kesler on the wing. If this is true (I'm only about 75% sure), why couldn't we just put him on Weiss' wing with Alfie or whomever?