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#2488154 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:54 AM

My point is Subban was benched from team canada because he's a defensive liability , he just got benched last game in mtl for a costly turnover ....your saying myers constantly plays bad(the way your speaking you make it sound like you seen every sabres game)

And the only reason Subban made team canada is so people wouldn't complain about the Norris winner not being there ....Babcock wanted no part of him

 

When Myers scores as often as Subban people might be willing to overlook his glaring defensive lapses too.  He doesn't, so they don't.




#2488145 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:45 AM

No I don't think that at all. But don't bring up Subban the guy is a complete tool.

 

This is an honest question...are you drunk right now? 




#2488136 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:35 AM

How many defenceman do you know that take the puck end to end anymore? Are there any left? The offensive defenceman has evolved with the times.

 

Wait, so you REALLY don't see the difference between Pronger or Chara and Karlsson or Subban?  You think they're all offensive defensemen?  Really?




#2488124 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:13 AM

I don't care if we trade Quincey for a bag of Doritos. Mmmmm nacho cheese....

But I digress, you make Myers sound like the second coming of Lebda. He's a good not great player but he's certainly not as horrible as you make him seem. Yeah, he's been bad lately, but so was Cleary before Holland signed him. I think he would do great in the Wings environment. Erhoff and Edler would be preferable but would cost an arm and a leg, and if I'm overpaying I'd rather get a scorer.

 

I'm not saying Myers is horrible.  I'm saying he's not very good.  He's Smith...except he makes 6 million bucks.  So signing him would be HORRIBLE.  He turns the puck over a lot and blows coverage, just like a lot of young d-men.  But he doesn't get paid like a young defeseman who's still learning, he gets paid like a stud (he's not).  He's not an upgrade over either Quincey or Dekeyser, so why trade for him (unless you want 6 million bucks on your third pair).  I don't.


Not sure what your point is since Chara and Pronger are offensive D-man that play good defense. Myers is also an offensive d-man he's just not as good defensively. Bad contract but still only 24.

 

Chara and Pronger are offensive defensemen?  You realize that when people talk about offensive minded defensemen they're not talking about guys who score on the PP right?  They're talking about guys who look to generate 5-on-5 offense from the back end, like Mike Green, Keith Yandle, Dan Boyle, Brian Campbell. 

 

Pronger and Chara are not offensive minded d-man.  Not in this world or any other.  If you think so, I don't know what to tell you.




#2488120 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:06 AM

and Myers won the Calder .... Subban won the Norris but it was a shortened season so as nice as that was for him doesn't mean as much to me as someone who wins during a full seAson

And Subban was benched for team canada for a reason

 

Wow I feel like you're accidentally trying to make my points for me.  PK Subban was benched on a stacked Team Canada.  Tyler Myers didn't even get a try out for a less stacked Team USA.  Why do you keep trying to compare Subban to Myers?  Subban is clearly 2,000,000 times better than Myers.  They're not even close to comparable.




#2488114 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:00 AM

Not very good lmao ... I hope buffalo trades him now just so your jaw drops to the floor when you see the return buffalo would get for him

 

Yeah that'd sure show me.




#2488112 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:59 PM

The team as a whole sucks .... They have multiple players In The -20s and teens and I won't pretend to know the numbers but I'm guessing myers probably logs the most ice time ....Subban getting benched by thierren yesterday cause of his mistake was a big story all day In montreal , your telling me you wouldn't take Subban cause he's always making mistakes on defense?

Myers on the right team would bounce back

 

PK Subban is a Norris Trophy winner.  Tyler Myers is a chronic underachiever whose team is desperately trying to get rid of him.  If you think that comparison is valid I don't know what to tell you. 




#2488104 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:51 PM

All valid points, but sometimes a change of scenery will do wonders for a player. Tough to get excited playing for the Sabres night in and night out. Plus with his contract maybe just maybe we wouldn't have to over pay.

 

We probably wouldn't have to overpay...because he's not very good and he's signed to a prohibitive contract.  There's a reason you'd get him cheap...he's not worth the money.  Just because you CAN get a guy doesn't mean you should.  We're right in the thick of a playoff race and we're seriously talking about trading for a guy who makes more money and plays worse than the guy we're talking about moving out...all because a change of scenery MIGHT do him good?  No thanks.  Trade for Gilbert, or MacDonald, or Erhoff.  At least they've got a track record of success.  Or don't trade for anyone.  All of those options are better than trading for a guy who's not very good in hopes that years from now he'll improve. 

 

If Holland traded Quincey for Myers and we missed the playoffs...particularly if Myers continued with his piss poor defensive play...everyone here would be ready to burn them both at the stake.




#2488098 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:43 PM

Totally disagree with you .... Buffalo sabres as a team sucks .

 

I don't understand your point?  Myers can't be bad because the team's bad?  He's a defensive defenseman who gets lost in coverage.  Who's fault is that if not his?




#2488089 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:37 PM

Textbook case of the grass is always greener.  Tyler Myers is infuriatingly bad at defense.  He's like Jack Johnson without the offense or the coordination.  He's not better than Quincey right now, and he probably doesn't project to be better than Smith in the long run. 

 

Buffalo would love to get rid of him had their s***ty former GM not given him the moon after one good year.  If you guys think Quincey, Smith, Kindl are mistake prone you will lose your minds watching this guy.  He's not a defensive upgrade in any manner.  Don't believe the hype.




#2487932 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 05:40 PM

Haa zubov is the man (friends friend) but 100 myers inconsistencies are brutal gotta remember he's playing on sabres who I seen use John Scott on D lol

 

I think Scott actually started his NHL career as a defenseman but I don't remember.  Either way he's terrible, so I get your point.




#2487926 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 05:37 PM

Yes Ive been saying that kip, you hit it on the head I think myers has a tiny bit more upside than quincy cuz of size...

 

For sure he's got more upside.  But so far, he's never played up to his potential.  He gets by on his size and draft position, but he's really not very consistent at this point.  His boneheaded miscues make Smith look like Sergei Zubov. 




#2487922 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 05:31 PM

I don't think myers is solid D maybe top 4 but he certainly isn't shut down
Maybe with some proper coaching

 

Neither Edler nor Myers are as good as they're sometimes portrayed on this site.  Myers may not even be better than Quincey.  Edler is.  But not nearly as good as his asking price is going to be.  It's all unearned reputation that this point.  I'd rather have MacDonald than Edler.  He's as good and will cost less.




#2487903 Why did Franzen get 10 min game misconduct?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 05:10 PM

Just read this article about the incident.  If it's not blatantly obvious that Neil is a stupid piece of trash by about the second sentence then I don't know what to tell you.  Whenever anybody tells me fighting is about "protecting your guys" I'm going to point to this.  Just a stupid ape wanting to fight because he wants to fight...against a goal scoring Euro...in a game that completely out of reach...based on an interaction he started...for no reason.  Idiot.

 

http://kuklaskorner....up-with-franzen




#2487890 2/27 GDT : Red Wings 6 at Senators 1, Franzen w/Hat Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 04:49 PM

You are right to some extent -the league has handcuffed enforcers but saying there is no stopping a guy like Neil is incorrect. Neil cannot rough up someone from the penalty box after fighting our heavyweight. There is also the notion that anything he tries to do to us can be done to them. I do think Neil's team mates would be slightly less enthusiastic about his work if they realize that it will put a target on their backs. Heavyweights are still part of this league and for a reason. Holland is about the only GM that refuses to admit this and his team is paying for it. The fans too, if it means the coach is afraid to put Datsyuk out on the ice at times.

 

When is the coach afraid to put Datsyuk on the ice?  He plays all the time...when he's not nursing an injury.  Also, how is the team "paying for" not having an enforcer?