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#2611407 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 01:46 PM

lol Kipwinger... I played college hockey and all of the things you mentioned are called chirps. They happen every game to almost every player in every stadium. No-one is immune to it and none of it should be taken as personal insult - and it almost never is. I have been called much worse on the ice than whatever Johan Franzen has been called in this thread, by some people who I actually call friends today. I'm not saying its classy, but I don't think the fans on this site are truly questioning his sexuality, mental health, or criminality,


The reason I made the comment is because people (unfortunately) tend to use those same expressions in these forums (probably not in good taste) out of frustration when he isn't producing.. I cant count how many times I've screamed at my TV with a lot worse to say about Franzen than what you just mentioned, because his struggles always come down to effort - and this is hockey for f*** sake.


If he wasn't capable of so much more - people wouldn't be as harsh on him. Sorry, if 6'3 - 222 LB Johan Franzen played with even half the intensity as a Justin Abdelkader, Darren Helm, or Luke Glendenning (players who are all more effective with a fraction of the skillset) people wouldn't be so harsh on him.


If people were calling him a homosexual (as you say) after he scored a hat-trick and actually plays with some heart - I would have a much different opinion.


I think you missed some pretty relevant contextual information.  I'm talking about the fans, on this site, saying those things about him.  Not other players, on the ice. 


I think it's trashy for fans to attack the guy personally, and then pretend to have sincere concern for his person later on.  Regardless of his work ethic. 


I don't care what other players say to him on the ice. 

#2611369 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 10:56 AM

I wish Franzen well, and hope he can come back to play with Sheahan on our 3rd line. But if he comes back, its only a matter of time before people revert back to saying the outlandish things they said about the guy, and I'm probably one of them. This is because polarizing players have a way of garnering such a reaction... If Franzen wasn't such a skilled player, and history didn't provide a multitude of statistically great stretches of play (especially in the playoffs), we wouldn't react the way we do if/when he didn't show up for 2 weeks.


If he was a role player - there wouldn't be a "Johan Franzen is lazy and he sucks" thread on this website.


Phil Kessel is one of the most criticized forwards in all of hockey - and take a look at his numbers, a lot better than Franzen's? This is because he has demonstrated the ability to play at a high level, and usually effort is the only reason he doesn't. This is what makes people mad. Johan Franzen is no different - head injuries or not.


So because he doesn't play up to his potential we should all expect, and participate, in the pejorative speculation about his sexuality, mental health issues, and criminality? 


He's been accused of everything from being a homosexual to intentionally defrauding the Wings by faking the severity of his injury.  It's over the top.  And the fact that he's "polarizing" is no excuse. 


Wings fans LOVE to go on and on about how classy they are.  And how loutish and ignorant other teams' fans are.  But in the case of Johan Franzen, quite a lot of Wings fans have been completely and totally trashy. 

#2611059 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:24 PM


Sometimes a midseason coaching change from a bad coach, or a coach that's burned his team out, can re-energize a team.  Sometimes the team continues to suck.  Babcock isn't a bad coach, though, and even though some guys probably didn't like him or disagree with decisions he makes, you can say that about any coach.


And sometimes a midseason coaching change "re-energizes" a team because a new coach with a new approach is exactly what they need to play better than they were before.  Why are you so insistent that the coaching change part of the formula is incidental to the success part?

You're acting like the Red Wings were maxed out on potential, and that there's no possible way to get more out of them than Babcock already was.  I don't agree.  As I've stated above, one obvious way to improve the team is by scoring more goals at even strength.  Something that Babs is bad to mediocre at.  Is it really impossible to think that Blashill can't get more offense out of the team?  And if he does, what affect would that have?  A huge one when you consider our abysmal overtime and shootout record. 


Nope. I just don't tend to take such minor things so seriously. I also don't take every single word I read in my day to day life to its absolute literal meaning. Lighten up, and keep the thread on topic.



You'll have to forgive me.  I got a warning today for calling someone a "Babcock Slappy", which is apparently a "personal insult".  So I'm not exactly sure where the line is. 

#2611054 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:13 PM

I feel like I'm one of about three people who actually stick up for him every time he comes up.

He still scores more than Jurco.
Which kinda seems like his replacement.

Blash should teach Jurco to be a center too.
Franzen was actually really damn useful.
Didn't he used to penalty kill too?


He occasionally was used on the PK.  But not regularly. 


He scored 22 points in 33 games last year prior to his injury.  He's a useful player.  No doubt. 

#2611052 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:11 PM


No, it was just a descriptive word I used to describe someone being happy about being right lol. Nothing negative meant by it. 


In the end, at some point the Wings will slump (as all teams to) and some will find a way to turn it into Holland's fault for Babs leaving  :lol:


Do you prance around when you're right about things?  I don't.  I guess because I've been right before.  The novelty has worn off. 

#2611047 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:07 PM

It's amazing how much disdain this guy generated for some, and now that he's hurt and possibly retiring it's magically disappeared.

Don't worry guys, he'll come back so we can discuss buying him out again


"I hope the Wings buy out that weak, lazy, imp of a player right now.  What a girl!"


6 months later...


"I hope, for his sake, he decided to retire.  He really needs to think about his children, and the quality of his life.  It's too important to be taking such risks with your health.  I worry for him". 



#2610987 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 09:02 AM

I realize that there's all sorts of residual hate from the rivalry (or what was left of it), but I really don't understand hating the Blackhawks and wanting teams in our conference (and particularly our division) to win.  Firstly, because f*** anybody else in our division.  But secondly, because the Hawks play (and win) EXACTLY like we used to.  They're the Red Wings.  If anybody should be able to appreciate just how good they are at what they do, it's us.  If you'd just thrown Red Wings sweaters on the Hawks last night, it could have easily been confused for the 2009 conference semis. 


Maybe that's the reason why, now that I think about it. 

#2610761 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 May 2015 - 11:49 PM

Nope...now its just the "blash isn't going to be as good as everyone is hoping and everyone is a bunch of idiots if you think he is going to even be good.we are going to suck even worse this next season." rhetoric

On the contrary, I predict that we'll be better.  Much better.  I predict we'll have a better regular season record than last year AND we'll win a playoff series. 

#2610379 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 10:31 AM

In retrospect, I was hard on Devellano in this thread.


This is a man who produced one of the greatest drafts in NHL history in 1983, when he drafted Yzerman, Probert, Kocur, Grimson and Klima.  


There's a lineup I'd go to war with.   ;)  I'm guessing the Wings must have been bullied in 1982.  


Devallano knows what he's talking about.  He was brought in to build a successful franchise and he built the most successful one in the NHL.  People just rail against him because he criticized someone who is popular.  And folks don't like that.  It's not enough that the Wings, or the Griffins, be good.  They have to be good with our favorite players too.  Because if our favorite players turn out to be no good, what does that say about our own judgement?


What's true of Holland in the other thread is true of Devallano here.  Nobody has had as much success with the modern Wings than these guys have had.  More than Bowman.  More than Babcock.  More than Yzerman, or Lidstrom, or everybody else. 


I think 30 years of unparalleled success affords you the right to say whatever the hell you want about a 20 year old prospect. 

#2610368 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

Ken Holland has been with the organization for 30 years.  18 of which he's been the GM.  He started as as scout, then the director of scouting, then the assistant GM, then the co-GM, and then the full GM.  It's not a coincidence that he was hired just prior to the Wings beginning an epic playoff streak. 


To try and dismiss his contributions to the organization as anything less than profound would be an absolutely gross understatement.  He's been more important to this team's success then any other individual. 


If you hire a GM from outside the organization, you can argue he's riding coattails.  But it's a little hard to say that about a guy who's been a member of the Red Wings longer than Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. 


To a lesser extent, this is true of Stan Bowman as well.  Sure Tallon was the GM before him.  But he started with Chicago in 2001 when they were a garbage team.  Unless he was just standing around playing with himself for 8 years he likely contributed to their assent.  Is he entirely responsible?  No.  But he's contributed from the bottom up. 


Yzerman doesn't deserve much credit for that first conference finals appearance as he had just come in from outside the organization and had been with the team for less than a year.  But he deserves credit for every single other success they've had since. 

#2609641 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 10:28 AM

Slava Fetisov, former Red Wing defenseman and star of the wildly popular documentary "Red Army", wants Russian law to ban Russian hockey players from coming to the U.S. before their 28th birthday. 


You'll recall Fetisov's story.  He bucked Soviet law preventing him from coming to the U.S. to play hockey, by refusing to play for their national team.  In the documentary he explained how he wanted to be free to make his own decisions, make his own money, and determine his own future, without being coerced by federal authorities. 


And now he's a federal authority.  And he's trying to restrict young players from having those very same liberties. 


Here's a thought Slava.  Rather than using a draconian legal system to force people to stay against their will, how's about you work toward reforming said legal system, and equally restrictive and authoritarian economic policies, so that people will WANT to stay in your s***ty country.  You are, after all, a Senator. 


What a dick.



#2609639 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 10:18 AM

I don't think we need to land a top guy.  We've already got Kronwall.  We just need to upgrade, where possible. 


Look at Tampa Bay's defense.  Yzerman was criticized pretty heavily for wrapping up so much money in non-impact defensemen like Carle, Stralman, Garrison, and Coburn.  None of those guys are really "top guys", but collectively they're better than any other alternative Tampa had.  And they're playing good enough to win. 

#2609605 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 07:53 AM

I have high hopes for Larkin but to think he is going to make the Wings squad next year is ludacris. He needs to adjust to the AHL for a full season or two. It will be interesting however how he fares against the toughest competition of the AHL off the bat!


Probably fair points, but if he can come in and start learning the NHL game without any hindrance to his long term development, I want him learning from datsyuk and Z as long as he can.

Damn. Always one step ahead.

#2609530 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by kipwinger on 21 May 2015 - 05:24 PM

Lets not judge our next coaches decisions before he is even our coach  :lol:

Saying that Larkin will be a wing is just as silly as saying Pulkkinen will be a center. He won't.

#2609324 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 21 May 2015 - 09:54 AM


And what the f*** is my argument again? Are you suggesting that I don't think we should hire Blashill, because it isn't even remotely true.


You seem to be suggesting that everybody should be wary of expecting too much out of Jeff Blashill as head coach.  Because Dave Lewis wasn't a good head coach.  So maybe Blash won't be either. 


If that's not what you're saying, then I have absolutely no idea why you'd bring Lewis up.  Other than to try and make some sort of tenuous comparison which isn't grounded in similarity at all. 


Why did you bring Lewis up again?


Edit:  Nobody expects Blashill to win the Cup next year.  But here's the thing...nobody expected Babcock to win the Cup next year either (had he stayed).  So expectations are EXACTLY the same.  However, given their relatively similar career trajectories, and the fact that Blashill out performed him in all head to head competition, I don't think it would be a stretch to expect him to be as good as Jon Cooper was in his first season as head coach.  Which is a much more realistic comparison than the phony one you keep trying to make with Dave Lewis.