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#2535910 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2014 - 11:44 PM

I think it's interesting that everyone is blaming KH for this deal not being done, but if it were Tatar instead of Dekeyser we'd be inundated with comments about how Tats is an egomaniac who puts himself before the team.  Double standard much?

 

Dekeyser has only played 72 professional hockey games.  Whatever he and his agent are asking based on his modest point production and ice time is almost certainly too much.  But god forbid anybody call them out, because he's from Michigan.




#2535840 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 10 September 2014 - 09:47 AM

Right. I'd love another Hossa, and I'd do back flips if we got one. But I don't think we neeeeeed one. We can easily make up for that in depth instead of being so top heavy.

 

Yeah, it'll help that we've got top six talent (Tatar, Jurco, Sheahan) on good contracts and occupying the third line.  That's huge for depth.  I'd be absolutely thrilled if we had that depth plus somebody to occupy that top line wing who can score 20 and play big minutes (Alfie could score 20 but couldn't handle the top line minutes).  Maybe Helm will be that...but I'm not sold on it yet.




#2535782 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 08 September 2014 - 10:12 PM

 

I may have f***ed up on calling him a natural LW, but I know for a fact he's played LW especially in his earlier years before the wings. I concede that he's a natural C, but, unless I'm completely out of my skull, I'm pretty certain he's been played at LW many times before the Wings. I know RedWingsCentral listed him as C/LW until they updated to just C this last year. I'm assuming it's much how we all put Dats at C no matter what, and then you play fantasy hockey and he's listed as LW/C. Poor example but you get my point. Alamo, Wonka, is unnecessary, I think you know I'm a reasonable guy... maybe stupid...

 

It's all in good fun.  You are a reasonable guy, I'm just giving you a hard time lol. 




#2535764 Ottawa Senators are trying "European style" supporter sections

Posted by kipwinger on 08 September 2014 - 04:33 PM

 

That's common misconception about eurpean style support:

 

Supporters = they are going to the game to support their team loud and with all the other stuff

Hooligan = the onces going to the game in order to search/find fights they couldn't care less about the team home fans or away fans. So if you can keep those type of "fans" out all will be fine :)

 

It wasn't a critique of European support.  It was a critique of how aggressive North Americans can be when fueled by a healthy dose of booze and groupthink. 




#2535757 Ottawa Senators are trying "European style" supporter sections

Posted by kipwinger on 08 September 2014 - 02:32 PM

I predict the games will be more fun...right up until fans from the supporter sections start beating the hell out of opposition fans.  I get the feeling that in North America this will turn violent.  Then again, maybe not.  The Canadiens already have an atmosphere very much like this, and as far as I know nobody had been injured.




#2535748 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 08 September 2014 - 01:05 PM

I've wanted Alexander Semin on this team for years and I would still love to have him now. I don't want to hear all the s*** about his "shortcomings" and his "lack of defense" and his "lack of effort" and "if you think Franzen is lazy / streaky, you'll hate this guy", etc, etc... I love his game and he is exactly what this team needs in my opinion - a pure goal scorer and a right handed shot on the power-play. Imagine Semin on a line with Pav and Hank? Insane... As for the other three, I wouldn't be all that interested in any of them. It would definitely take a lot to get Semin away from Carolina but I would at least throw out an offer. I do still think we need to upgrade the defense before we do anything else with the offense, but I'd have to make a call on Semin for sure...

 

They'd need to take back equal salary or else eat some of his current salary.  I'm not paying Semin 7 million a year.  But I'm certainly intrigued by the thought of him on Pav's wing.  Most of the same criticisms that Semin gets were leveled against Gaborik before he got put with a big time center and started scoring like a monster. 

 

I don't know if it would work out the same way, but it's an intriguing thought. 




#2535679 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by kipwinger on 07 September 2014 - 12:01 PM

I said this in another thread, but if you look at their numbers, Diaz and Anton Stralman are basically the same player.  The biggest differences seem to be that the Rangers went to the Cup finals so Stralman immediately gets a bump, and Diaz was mismanaged by the Canadiens so his icetime is a little lower.  Either way, provided he isn't rusty I'd sign him and dump Kindl or Lashoff.  Why not?




#2535678 2014 Preseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 07 September 2014 - 11:59 AM

Diaz is the exact same player as Anton Stralman, one of the guys everyone wanted Holland to sign as a UFA.  Diaz will come cheaper and do about the same things.  I'm for it.  Cut Kindl, or Lashoff, or whoever if the kid shows he can play. 




#2535672 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by kipwinger on 07 September 2014 - 11:00 AM

He played on the same Swiss team as Zetterberg and Brunner that year.  I'd imagine Z has a good idea of what this guy can do, and if he got offered a tryout I'm sure that Zetterberg must have given a nod of approval.




#2535624 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 September 2014 - 02:33 PM

 

This. Not to mention, I thought Sheahan and Tatar had some real chemistry. Sheahan's ability to find Tatar around the net impressed me quite a few times last season - lot of back and forth, and cross-crease stuff between them.

 

Totally agree.  I'd just add Dats, Z, and Helm to the lineup we've already got and not mess up the chemistry the other lines formed.  I'd actually rather have that happen and leave the kid line intact than have Alfie come back, forcing Helm into the bottom six and Jurco out of the lineup.  But that's just me.




#2535622 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 05 September 2014 - 02:08 PM

am i the only one that wants to see mule and tatar on the same line. last season when they played together they went beast mode.

 

Yeah, but so did Mule and Nyquist. Franzen-Legwand-Nyquist was the best line we had all year.  So I don't see any reason to not try and replicate it with Weiss.  The second best line was the kids, and barring a return by Alfie we'll have Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco back together too.  We'll essentially be adding a Zetterberg-Datsyuk-? line to the two best lines from a year ago. 




#2535093 Lines Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 August 2014 - 02:03 PM

I want nothing to do with a Zetterberg, Datsyuk, and Alfie (or Nyquist) top line.  It should be wildly clear over the last five or six post seasons that we don't have anyone scoring down low.  Giving another perimeter guy top line minutes is a recipe for failure.  I'd rather lose a little bit of offense but change the dynamic of our attack than keep throwing the same one dimensional attack at teams over and over and over.  Jurco showed a willingness to use his body to protect the puck, was strong in the corners, and had no problem creating offense in traffic.  Plus, despite rookie linemates, limited minutes, and no powerplay time, his offensive number projected very favorably to Alfie's over a full season (and should only increase with D and Z).

 

As such...

 

Z-Dats-Jurco

Nyquist-Weiss-Franzen

Tatar-Sheahan-Abby

Miller-Helm-Glendening/Callahan/Cleary




#2534114 What Might Have Been: Gretzky to Detroit?

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 04:24 PM

 

Sorry what? Stevie Y became captain in 1986…..

 

He's not speaking literally, he's speaking figuratively.  When people nostalgically look back at Yzerman, they remember him how he was in the Bowman years and rarely remember the early part of his career.  He wasn't a selfless, gutsy, two way, leader back then.  He was a showy, one dimensional, goal scorer.  At the time of the Gretzky trade, Yzerman wasn't the Stevie Y that we all remember as "The Captain", though he was in fact the captain of the team. 

 

That's what he's saying.




#2534086 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 11:20 AM

Because when you've been injury riddled for an entire season leading up to the playoffs, key players have been over worked and are much more mentally and physically drained then they would have been otherwise. There is a lot to be said for a team that is in position to rest key players down the home stretch of the regular season, and we could very well be in such a position this season. Do you not think that if Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Alfredsson and Kronwall were all relatively healthy for this season that they wouldn't massively benefit from a few games off, heading into the playoffs? I certainly do... Another thing is, just because a player is in the lineup, does not necessarily mean they are healthy, especially when it comes to playoff hockey, everyone knows that...

 

All of the things you just said were true of last year, and last year alone.  They've had the exact same playoff struggles for five years.  You're making it seem like the Wings have been injured for half a decade.  They haven't...and even if they have that's all the more reason to do something different because obviously the team can't stay healthy (in this hypothetical scenario). 

 

Seriously, the argument you're making seems to go like this...

 

Me:  We haven't been good in the playoffs for 5 years.

You:  That's because we've been injured consistently for 5 years.

Me:  We should do something different then, because this team can't stay healthy.

You:  Nope, we should say the course because the injury bug can't possibly be that bad again.

Me:  Of course it can, it's been happening for 5 YEARS!  At this point it's not a fluke anymore.




#2534080 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 12 August 2014 - 10:00 AM

Does anyone actually think that if Jurco starts the season down in Grand Rapids, he is stuck down there?... I don't believe for a second that we will be hit nearly as bad with injuries this coming season, but yes, there will absolutely be injuries. Let's say we start the season with Jurco and no Alfredsson, a player gets injured and now we have Jurco and Andersson in the lineup. Whereas if that same player got injured, it could have been Jurco and Alfredsson instead of Andersson. Is there anyone that would choose Andersson over Alfredsson?... Depth is huge!

 

Wait, if I understand your logic correctly you're suggesting we put a player in the minors even though he'd make our team better, just in case we have an injury.  That way, in the event of said injury, you can call him up to make the team better? 

 

If that's the case, why not start half the team in GR and fill their spots with dudes who aren't as good.  Then, when they all get hurt, you can call up the guys who should have been there in the first place. 


That's your reality Frank, and to be quite honest I feel bad for you and all the others on here with the negative attitude toward the team and management.

Like I said, I will place a hefty wager on the Wings finishing significantly higher than they did last season. I will also bet that they face half the amount of injuries they did last season.

Things don't always have to be doom and gloom. The future is bright and that brightness is a lot closer than many of you think.

 

I don't think anybody is doubting we'll have a better regular season.  Sure we will.  But I thought we had higher standards than that in Detroit.  I thought we were supposed to compete for Cups and be elite?  I remember when the phrase "class of the league" used to follow mention of the Wings.

 

Bemoan all the injuries you want.  With or without them, we've still done nothing to improve the weaknesses that have gotten us crushed in the playoffs for the last 5 years.