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#2571856 Do we need to add grit?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 07:58 PM

But Neil, despite his age and build, actually isn't terribly slow. He's certainly faster and more mobile than McCarty was in that Stanley Cup run.
You're always going to have to sacrifice a little speed in order to add a little grit, but balanced teams have a better track record in the playoffs. 

There are plenty of gritty guys who can skate. Glendening, Prust, martin, and clutterbuck come to mind. I don't agree that you have to sacrifice speed for grittiness.

#2571833 Do we need to add grit?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 07:40 PM

I'm against anything that makes us slower.  Speed is our friend.  Guys like Grossman and Neil are only going to slow us down.  All things being equal, I'll take a tougher guy over a weaker one.  But all things have to be equal (or close to equal). 

#2571821 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 07:30 PM

Why are you so concentrated on the organization? I don't get it... I never said anything about the organization... My original statement was "although "I" don't want to trade either Nyquist or Tatar, "I'd" almost prefer that than trade Pulkkinen at this point"... If you haven't noticed, that was "my" personal preference based on what "I" believe our need is, and who would garner the most interest from other teams in a trade... How is that so difficult to understand?


If you think for a second that Babcock wouldn't love to have a right-handed "sniper", in his line-up, you're being very naïve. Another thing, you're taking the term "sniper" way too literally. I'm more or less talking about a right-handed shooter that can score goals, I'm not talking about the top 3 right handed shots in the entire league... I think there are a number of right-wingers in the league that Kenny and Babs would be very interested in based solely on the way they shoot the puck. I don't think they believe we need an Ovechkin or Stamkos to be successful, but Pulkkinen is a huge weapon because of the way he shoots the puck...


I really didn't think there would be controversy over that statement at all... I get that people think it's a bit crazy to suggest trading Nyquist or Tatar before Pulkkinen, but to be that taken away that we need more right handed shots on defense as well as forwards is crazy to me...


The controversy isn't about the relative "goodness" of more guys who can score in different ways. 


You stated your opinion, but presented it as a "team NEED", and even guaranteed that "most fans" AND the organization have prioritized this same "need".  Except they haven't ever, EVER, done so.  YOU can think whatever you want. But you don't speak for most fans, or the organization.  


Have whatever preference you want.  That's fine.  But it shouldn't come as a surprise when nobody agrees with you on a "team need" that you, AND ONLY YOU, have articulated. 


Aaaand finally, saying "I'm only talking about my own preferences" after "guaranteeing that most fans" agree with you, AND guaranteeing that the organization has prioritized the same thing, is...bulls***.  You're just being argumentative.  You tried to generalize your preferences to everybody else, and when you got called out on it, you said "I was only talking about me".  You weren't.  You spoke on behalf of at least two other groups of people.  Stop lying and take it like a man. 

#2571787 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 06:22 PM


^ This.


Zetterberg and Pav have been associated with each other too much. If one goes up and the other doesn't that could cause a lot of controversy. Sad as it is, their pairing is their own demise in terms of jersey retirement XD. Who knows, lets hope for the best, these guys may not be heavily recognized around the US but Detroit's got nothing but love for em!


I'm posting this diatribe in response to your post, but I'm not aiming it at you.  You're didn't do the thing I'm about to rage about, you just referenced it at the bottom of your post. 


Can we please stop with the "nobody recognizes Dats and Z's greatness" crap already?  It's absurd.  The Red Wings, and their two stars, get their just due ALL the time.  A couple years ago TSN listed Datsyuk as the best player in the world.  Wayne Gretzky said he thought our two stars were the best in the business around that same time.  They're both consistently ranked near the top of the league in fantasy player rankings, and I've personally seen everyone from Puck Daddy, to Doc Emrick, to Mike Milbury, to P.J. Stock, to Ron McLean singing their praises.  Even Don "I hate Foreigners" Cherry has been nothing but complimentary of our guys. 


This is just more of this wannabe victim crap that I can't stand about some of our fans.  The league/refs/Bettman/media don't have it out for us.  We're universally considered the finest organization, with some of the finest athletes, in all of professional sports...not just hockey.  It's like some fans think we're not credible if we're not constantly facing some sort of faux adversity.  There's nothing wrong with being dominant AND being recognized for it...this isn't an inspirational sports film. 


Add "the media doens't give Dats and Z credit" to the list of dumb ass cliches that Red Wings fans say.  Right below "Our fans are spoiled by success" and right above "the league wanted Pittsburgh to win". 


Rant over.

#2571780 Teemu Pulkkinen called back up

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 05:53 PM

Both Nyquist and Tatar hold much more value in a trade right now, Pulkkinen is out-producing both of them in their respective minor league careers, and Pulkkinen is that coveted right handed sniper we've been longing for...


You're stretching things a little bit here buddy.


Who's been coveting a "right handed sniper"?  Holland and Babs both mentioned a right shooting defenseman on many occasions, but I defy you to find one single reference to a right handed sniper, nevermind anything close to "coveting" one. 


YOU covet a right shooting sniper.  And in a lot of ways I don't blame you.  But the organization has never, EVER, prioritized a right shooting, sniper like, forward.  Ever. 

#2571677 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 10:18 AM

I agree Kip, I just really wish he spent more time in the minors. I do believe he would have been better off down in the AHL for another season... Oh well, he's not going down at this point...


You're right about that.  He could have used the seasoning.  I legitimately thought, after last year, that he was ready.  But I was wrong on that.  He definitely could have used more time to hone his power forward game down there. 

#2571667 Time for Teemu?

Posted by kipwinger on 18 February 2015 - 09:52 AM

Jurco will be fine.  He's on a nearly identical developmental trajectory as Abby.  As I've said over and over, he's expected to play a type of game in the NHL that he's never played in his life...without the benefit of learning it at the AHL level first.  It's going to take some time for him to produce consistent offense.  But that doesn't mean he won't.  Mark my words, by the time he's Abby's age he'll be a consistent 50 pts. player.  In the mean time, he'll play very solid defense, he'll be physical, and he'll work hard.  All of that will serve him well a few years down the line. 


p.s. All of this applies to Mantha too.  Just wait and see. 

#2571593 Getzlaf calls Ovechkin a diver, O says "I have hair"

Posted by kipwinger on 17 February 2015 - 09:44 PM

Getzlaf's a jackass.  I watched that game.  The slash he calls Ovie out on was DEFINITELY a slash, right on his hands, and Ovie didn't react much at all.  He shook his hand, and pulled his glove off to look at it, but that's normal.  He didn't throw his hand up, or act like he'd been chopped down.  Then again, we are talking about the guy who did this when he was losing to Detroit so maybe Ovie's on to something.



#2571184 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by kipwinger on 16 February 2015 - 06:32 PM

How about making the playoffs first? There is still a lot off hockey to be played and lots of points to be had. I don't think they are a contender and too easy to play against which will be exploited if they make the playoffs. Right now the wings would be facing Pittsburgh ....


Oh no!  You mean we'd be playing a team that consistently under performs in the playoffs, with a goalie that'd only pedestrian when it matters, a mediocre defense, and who haven't had a single bit more success than the Wings lately, despite having two of the top five players in the world? 


I'm sure Babs' and the boys are paralyzed with fear. 

#2571160 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 16 February 2015 - 03:55 PM

Who's Lindstrom???

Hot new prospect out of the Swedish Elite League. He's only 190 lbs. Though so he's not worth a second look.

#2571117 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 16 February 2015 - 01:03 PM

I'm thinking Hasek. Buffalo already retired his number and he didn't even win a cup with them.


Retiring Hasek's number is a lot like retiring Chelios' number.  Clearly they're both deserving of the honor, but just not for this team (IMO). 

#2571113 Next Number to be retired

Posted by kipwinger on 16 February 2015 - 12:40 PM

Osgood, and nobody else.  Chris Osgood is one of the ten best players to ever play his position.  He's got the longevity, the hardware, and the numbers.  There's no objective measure of an excellent goalie that he doesn't possess in spades. 


Otherwise, I can't think of anybody else that deserves it. 

#2570442 All Purpose Grand Rapids Griffins Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 13 February 2015 - 08:41 PM

... Was a great game... Still lots of time left though...


Athanasiou looks amazing as expected. He hasn't missed a step after the injury. He looks even faster in the past couple games (if that's even possible...)

And just like that Athanasiou scores a goal on a beauty pass by Mantha.


Athanasiou makes Mantha better.  You can tell who drives the play on that line.  Athanasiou has been back for like three games, and Mantha got a goal and two assists in that time lol. 

#2570438 Good to see they're getting along

Posted by kipwinger on 13 February 2015 - 08:25 PM

Kip, do you think datsyuk and zetterbergs jerseys will be retired? ive always wondered....



I don't think their numbers will be.  I could see both of them getting the Hall of Fame, but getting your number retired by the Wings is even harder than getting into the Hall.  The only other guy that I'd consider putting in the rafters would be Osgood.  He's easily top ten all-time at his position and has all the credentials.  But even that, I'd admit, is arguable. 

#2570400 Good to see they're getting along

Posted by kipwinger on 13 February 2015 - 02:23 PM


Only chance he had is if he continued to play here and retired as a Red Wing. But it would still be doubtful.


You had to be "that guy" :lol:


I agree.  I prefer to see career Wings to the extent possible.  With Sergei it's about him leaving, but more importantly about WHEN he left.  I wouldn't really care if he had a long career in Detroit and then finished out in Russia, or if he bled Red and White and then left at the end for one final shot at the Cup.  But he left in his prime.  That's a no-go for me if you want to be immortalized at the Joe.