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#2488356 Edler-Kesler Vs. Ehrhoff-Stewart

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 04:38 PM

Can I pick Kesler and Erhoff?




#2488256 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 10:04 AM

All this stuff about Erhoff's contract is silly.  If you traded for him today.  Five years from now you could move him at the deadline to a contender with ZERO issues.  He's like Sergei Gonchar.  He'll bounce around for the rest of his career quarterbacking the PP and moving the puck and eventually someone will get caught holding him when he's 38 and they'll deal with a 4 million cap hit (by that time the cap will be like 90 million anyway) for a year or two and he'll be gone and everyone will be happy with what they got except the last team holding the contract...which won't be us. 

 

This is just another one of those things everyone repeats just for the sake of repeating.  The only people concerned with his contract are Buffalo, who need to get enough in return on the trade to make the risk of his cap recapture worthwhile.  Nobody else cares.




#2488212 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 02:04 AM

Come on there is no need to be an Ass you guys disagree, just leave it at that.

 

We don't disagree.  He's argued the following points tonight and I agree with all of them.

 

1)  Tyler Myers is really good but looks bad because Buffalo sucks

2)  Christian Erhoff doesn't get the same consideration even though he's on the same sucky Buffalo team

3)  PK Subban and Tyler Myers are seemingly identical cases for comparison

4)  Just like when Rob Brown played with Mario Lemieux, Christian Erhoff's numbers were once inflated by being on a good team.  But if Tyler Myers goes to a better team and scores more, it will definitely NOT be the result of being on a better team (a la Brown and Erhoff).




#2488201 Why did Franzen get 10 min game misconduct?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 01:52 AM

While you as fans may not like it I can tell you for a fact alot of nhl players like to see their teammates get in scrums like that

 

Not really sure this matters too much.  Lots of people like lots of terrible things, doesn't mean they're a good idea.  Like Communism, or Justin Bieber. 




#2488174 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 01:21 AM

Myers and Subban both got 8 goals so i guess people are gonna start over looking his glaring defensive lapses as well now ? .... So how many buffalo games have you caught this year? Just curious since you seem to be an expert on Myers the nhl's turnover machine

He kept bringing up myers being a turnover machine .... And I brought up how Subban turns the puck over a lot and asked if he wouldn't take him as well and this is somehow become myers vs Subban lmao

 

My roommate's from Buffalo and we have the NHL package.  I see a lot of their games.  He's not very good.  He's as bad defensively as Subban and scores half as often.  You cannot possible still be trying to argue that Myers is in any way comparable to Subban can you?  I mean, you've got to see how that doesn't carry water.  That it's just argument for argument's sake.  That one of those guys is a dynamic offensive threat who's bad a defense while the other is just bad at defense.  Right? 

 

I tell you what, if you REALLY think Myers is the same as Subban, that they're both poor defensively but that their offense makes them worth their money then I'll concede.  You win.  I honestly can't argue with you if you REALLY believe what you're trying to convince me of right now.




#2488161 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 01:01 AM

Bottom feeder team will take ehroff to reach the floor but not myers? Sure. ..... Myers just turned 24 ehroff is 31 ....myers upside is miles ahead of ehroff .... The way you talk about ehroff you'd think he was the next lidstrom .... He's a reliable 3-4 dman at best

50 pts??

That's a far stretch

 

Nobody is saying Erhoff is Lidstrom.  Enough hyperbole.  All he's saying is that a proven Erhoff at 4 million is a better option than an unproven Myers at 5.5 million.  You're welcome to disagree, but don't put words in his mouth.  His argument is pretty easy to follow, even if you don't believe it.

 

Also, it's not too far fetched to think Erhoff could score 50 pts. considering he's already done it once in his career.




#2488154 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:54 AM

My point is Subban was benched from team canada because he's a defensive liability , he just got benched last game in mtl for a costly turnover ....your saying myers constantly plays bad(the way your speaking you make it sound like you seen every sabres game)

And the only reason Subban made team canada is so people wouldn't complain about the Norris winner not being there ....Babcock wanted no part of him

 

When Myers scores as often as Subban people might be willing to overlook his glaring defensive lapses too.  He doesn't, so they don't.




#2488145 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:45 AM

No I don't think that at all. But don't bring up Subban the guy is a complete tool.

 

This is an honest question...are you drunk right now? 




#2488136 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:35 AM

How many defenceman do you know that take the puck end to end anymore? Are there any left? The offensive defenceman has evolved with the times.

 

Wait, so you REALLY don't see the difference between Pronger or Chara and Karlsson or Subban?  You think they're all offensive defensemen?  Really?




#2488124 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:13 AM

I don't care if we trade Quincey for a bag of Doritos. Mmmmm nacho cheese....

But I digress, you make Myers sound like the second coming of Lebda. He's a good not great player but he's certainly not as horrible as you make him seem. Yeah, he's been bad lately, but so was Cleary before Holland signed him. I think he would do great in the Wings environment. Erhoff and Edler would be preferable but would cost an arm and a leg, and if I'm overpaying I'd rather get a scorer.

 

I'm not saying Myers is horrible.  I'm saying he's not very good.  He's Smith...except he makes 6 million bucks.  So signing him would be HORRIBLE.  He turns the puck over a lot and blows coverage, just like a lot of young d-men.  But he doesn't get paid like a young defeseman who's still learning, he gets paid like a stud (he's not).  He's not an upgrade over either Quincey or Dekeyser, so why trade for him (unless you want 6 million bucks on your third pair).  I don't.


Not sure what your point is since Chara and Pronger are offensive D-man that play good defense. Myers is also an offensive d-man he's just not as good defensively. Bad contract but still only 24.

 

Chara and Pronger are offensive defensemen?  You realize that when people talk about offensive minded defensemen they're not talking about guys who score on the PP right?  They're talking about guys who look to generate 5-on-5 offense from the back end, like Mike Green, Keith Yandle, Dan Boyle, Brian Campbell. 

 

Pronger and Chara are not offensive minded d-man.  Not in this world or any other.  If you think so, I don't know what to tell you.




#2488120 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:06 AM

and Myers won the Calder .... Subban won the Norris but it was a shortened season so as nice as that was for him doesn't mean as much to me as someone who wins during a full seAson

And Subban was benched for team canada for a reason

 

Wow I feel like you're accidentally trying to make my points for me.  PK Subban was benched on a stacked Team Canada.  Tyler Myers didn't even get a try out for a less stacked Team USA.  Why do you keep trying to compare Subban to Myers?  Subban is clearly 2,000,000 times better than Myers.  They're not even close to comparable.




#2488114 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 March 2014 - 12:00 AM

Not very good lmao ... I hope buffalo trades him now just so your jaw drops to the floor when you see the return buffalo would get for him

 

Yeah that'd sure show me.




#2488112 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:59 PM

The team as a whole sucks .... They have multiple players In The -20s and teens and I won't pretend to know the numbers but I'm guessing myers probably logs the most ice time ....Subban getting benched by thierren yesterday cause of his mistake was a big story all day In montreal , your telling me you wouldn't take Subban cause he's always making mistakes on defense?

Myers on the right team would bounce back

 

PK Subban is a Norris Trophy winner.  Tyler Myers is a chronic underachiever whose team is desperately trying to get rid of him.  If you think that comparison is valid I don't know what to tell you. 




#2488104 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:51 PM

All valid points, but sometimes a change of scenery will do wonders for a player. Tough to get excited playing for the Sabres night in and night out. Plus with his contract maybe just maybe we wouldn't have to over pay.

 

We probably wouldn't have to overpay...because he's not very good and he's signed to a prohibitive contract.  There's a reason you'd get him cheap...he's not worth the money.  Just because you CAN get a guy doesn't mean you should.  We're right in the thick of a playoff race and we're seriously talking about trading for a guy who makes more money and plays worse than the guy we're talking about moving out...all because a change of scenery MIGHT do him good?  No thanks.  Trade for Gilbert, or MacDonald, or Erhoff.  At least they've got a track record of success.  Or don't trade for anyone.  All of those options are better than trading for a guy who's not very good in hopes that years from now he'll improve. 

 

If Holland traded Quincey for Myers and we missed the playoffs...particularly if Myers continued with his piss poor defensive play...everyone here would be ready to burn them both at the stake.




#2488098 Trade deadline fast approaching - who should we target?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 February 2014 - 11:43 PM

Totally disagree with you .... Buffalo sabres as a team sucks .

 

I don't understand your point?  Myers can't be bad because the team's bad?  He's a defensive defenseman who gets lost in coverage.  Who's fault is that if not his?