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#2612824 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2015 - 09:27 AM

People really want to give up completely on Jurco already? I get the frustration in the moment, but come on... Is it really so hard to think long-term just a little bit?


Nah dude, he sucks.  Cut him.  Make him trade bait.  Cut bait and trade him.  etc.




Because one time, there was this guy named Ville Leino.  And get this, Ville Leino was lazy, arrogant, and entitled.  So therefore, he sucked.  And Jurco wasn't really very good this year either.  So chances are, he's probably like Ville Leino.  Because both of them weren't very good, for totally different reasons. 


Make sense now?

#2612670 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 June 2015 - 09:41 AM

Here's a thought.  With the emergence of Abby, Tatar, and Nyquist as regular scoring threats.  And with any potential FA acquisitions that Holland picks up, maybe Franzen gets pushed down the depth chart a bit.  Or, at the very least, he gets to take advantage of easier matchups/usage.  And in doing so, he isn't asked to shoulder as much of the offensive load as in years past. 


As a secondary scorer I think he'd be incredibly valuable.  He'd (theoretically) carve up third line competition. 

#2612669 2015 SCF : Chicago Blackhawks vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

Posted by kipwinger on 01 June 2015 - 09:35 AM

After how uninspired the Lightning looked against us in the first round, I'm pretty surprised they made it this far.  Experience means a lot and the Hawks, unfortunately, have that edge.  But the Lightning are a high scoring team, have beaten 3 other original 6 teams to get here and might be fresher not having played a bunch of multiple OT games against a physical team.  I want the Lightning to win, but I really can't see how that will happen.  Bishop is shaky and the Hawks forwards are way deeper than TB's.  I mean, seriously, as we saw in the first round, if you take away Tyler Johnson, this team is basically done.  Hoping it'll be TB in 7, but it'll more likely be Chicago in 5 or 6.


I don't think Tampa looked "uninspired" against us.  That makes it seem like the series was only close because they were slacking off or something.  The Red Wings are a tough out.  Just like New Jersey used to be.  We trap and trap and trap some more.  It's not easy to score goals on a team like that.  And Tampa needs to score lots of goals to win hockey games.  But the writing was on the wall for most of the series.  They owned the puck against us, just like they haven't against everyone else up to this point.  No matter how much you trap, it's tough to beat a team when they always have the puck and you never do. 

#2611423 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 03:52 PM

There really isn't any reason to take this discussion too far afield.  Anybody who's been around LGW for a while knows the kinds of reactions that Franzen has received around here.  And the criticisms have definitely gone pretty far beyond observations of his play. 


If people genuinely feel bad for him, that's fine.  Who am I to say how you should feel about the guy?  I was just making an observation that there were an awful lot of people who had nothing good to say about him and wanted him gone at any cost.  Many went so far as to feminize his name (because chicks are lame bro! durrrrrr).  And some of those same people now act like they really give a crap about the guy...so long as he still leaves, of course.


I wish the guy all the good health in the world.  And if he wants to continue playing hockey, or trying to play hockey, who the hell am I to wish otherwise?  He and his doctors certainly know better than I do whether he's subjecting himself to anything unwise.  And he and his family are far more capable of weighing the risks and rewards of playing than any of us. 

#2611407 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 01:46 PM

lol Kipwinger... I played college hockey and all of the things you mentioned are called chirps. They happen every game to almost every player in every stadium. No-one is immune to it and none of it should be taken as personal insult - and it almost never is. I have been called much worse on the ice than whatever Johan Franzen has been called in this thread, by some people who I actually call friends today. I'm not saying its classy, but I don't think the fans on this site are truly questioning his sexuality, mental health, or criminality,


The reason I made the comment is because people (unfortunately) tend to use those same expressions in these forums (probably not in good taste) out of frustration when he isn't producing.. I cant count how many times I've screamed at my TV with a lot worse to say about Franzen than what you just mentioned, because his struggles always come down to effort - and this is hockey for f*** sake.


If he wasn't capable of so much more - people wouldn't be as harsh on him. Sorry, if 6'3 - 222 LB Johan Franzen played with even half the intensity as a Justin Abdelkader, Darren Helm, or Luke Glendenning (players who are all more effective with a fraction of the skillset) people wouldn't be so harsh on him.


If people were calling him a homosexual (as you say) after he scored a hat-trick and actually plays with some heart - I would have a much different opinion.


I think you missed some pretty relevant contextual information.  I'm talking about the fans, on this site, saying those things about him.  Not other players, on the ice. 


I think it's trashy for fans to attack the guy personally, and then pretend to have sincere concern for his person later on.  Regardless of his work ethic. 


I don't care what other players say to him on the ice. 

#2611369 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 May 2015 - 10:56 AM

I wish Franzen well, and hope he can come back to play with Sheahan on our 3rd line. But if he comes back, its only a matter of time before people revert back to saying the outlandish things they said about the guy, and I'm probably one of them. This is because polarizing players have a way of garnering such a reaction... If Franzen wasn't such a skilled player, and history didn't provide a multitude of statistically great stretches of play (especially in the playoffs), we wouldn't react the way we do if/when he didn't show up for 2 weeks.


If he was a role player - there wouldn't be a "Johan Franzen is lazy and he sucks" thread on this website.


Phil Kessel is one of the most criticized forwards in all of hockey - and take a look at his numbers, a lot better than Franzen's? This is because he has demonstrated the ability to play at a high level, and usually effort is the only reason he doesn't. This is what makes people mad. Johan Franzen is no different - head injuries or not.


So because he doesn't play up to his potential we should all expect, and participate, in the pejorative speculation about his sexuality, mental health issues, and criminality? 


He's been accused of everything from being a homosexual to intentionally defrauding the Wings by faking the severity of his injury.  It's over the top.  And the fact that he's "polarizing" is no excuse. 


Wings fans LOVE to go on and on about how classy they are.  And how loutish and ignorant other teams' fans are.  But in the case of Johan Franzen, quite a lot of Wings fans have been completely and totally trashy. 

#2611059 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:24 PM


Sometimes a midseason coaching change from a bad coach, or a coach that's burned his team out, can re-energize a team.  Sometimes the team continues to suck.  Babcock isn't a bad coach, though, and even though some guys probably didn't like him or disagree with decisions he makes, you can say that about any coach.


And sometimes a midseason coaching change "re-energizes" a team because a new coach with a new approach is exactly what they need to play better than they were before.  Why are you so insistent that the coaching change part of the formula is incidental to the success part?

You're acting like the Red Wings were maxed out on potential, and that there's no possible way to get more out of them than Babcock already was.  I don't agree.  As I've stated above, one obvious way to improve the team is by scoring more goals at even strength.  Something that Babs is bad to mediocre at.  Is it really impossible to think that Blashill can't get more offense out of the team?  And if he does, what affect would that have?  A huge one when you consider our abysmal overtime and shootout record. 


Nope. I just don't tend to take such minor things so seriously. I also don't take every single word I read in my day to day life to its absolute literal meaning. Lighten up, and keep the thread on topic.



You'll have to forgive me.  I got a warning today for calling someone a "Babcock Slappy", which is apparently a "personal insult".  So I'm not exactly sure where the line is. 

#2611054 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:13 PM

I feel like I'm one of about three people who actually stick up for him every time he comes up.

He still scores more than Jurco.
Which kinda seems like his replacement.

Blash should teach Jurco to be a center too.
Franzen was actually really damn useful.
Didn't he used to penalty kill too?


He occasionally was used on the PK.  But not regularly. 


He scored 22 points in 33 games last year prior to his injury.  He's a useful player.  No doubt. 

#2611052 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:11 PM


No, it was just a descriptive word I used to describe someone being happy about being right lol. Nothing negative meant by it. 


In the end, at some point the Wings will slump (as all teams to) and some will find a way to turn it into Holland's fault for Babs leaving  :lol:


Do you prance around when you're right about things?  I don't.  I guess because I've been right before.  The novelty has worn off. 

#2611047 The return of The Mule?

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 01:07 PM

It's amazing how much disdain this guy generated for some, and now that he's hurt and possibly retiring it's magically disappeared.

Don't worry guys, he'll come back so we can discuss buying him out again


"I hope the Wings buy out that weak, lazy, imp of a player right now.  What a girl!"


6 months later...


"I hope, for his sake, he decided to retire.  He really needs to think about his children, and the quality of his life.  It's too important to be taking such risks with your health.  I worry for him". 



#2610987 WCF : (3) Chicago Blackhawks vs. (1) Anaheim Ducks

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2015 - 09:02 AM

I realize that there's all sorts of residual hate from the rivalry (or what was left of it), but I really don't understand hating the Blackhawks and wanting teams in our conference (and particularly our division) to win.  Firstly, because f*** anybody else in our division.  But secondly, because the Hawks play (and win) EXACTLY like we used to.  They're the Red Wings.  If anybody should be able to appreciate just how good they are at what they do, it's us.  If you'd just thrown Red Wings sweaters on the Hawks last night, it could have easily been confused for the 2009 conference semis. 


Maybe that's the reason why, now that I think about it. 

#2610761 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 27 May 2015 - 11:49 PM

Nope...now its just the "blash isn't going to be as good as everyone is hoping and everyone is a bunch of idiots if you think he is going to even be good.we are going to suck even worse this next season." rhetoric

On the contrary, I predict that we'll be better.  Much better.  I predict we'll have a better regular season record than last year AND we'll win a playoff series. 

#2610379 Jim Devellano on Mantha's play: "Very disappointing"

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 10:31 AM

In retrospect, I was hard on Devellano in this thread.


This is a man who produced one of the greatest drafts in NHL history in 1983, when he drafted Yzerman, Probert, Kocur, Grimson and Klima.  


There's a lineup I'd go to war with.   ;)  I'm guessing the Wings must have been bullied in 1982.  


Devallano knows what he's talking about.  He was brought in to build a successful franchise and he built the most successful one in the NHL.  People just rail against him because he criticized someone who is popular.  And folks don't like that.  It's not enough that the Wings, or the Griffins, be good.  They have to be good with our favorite players too.  Because if our favorite players turn out to be no good, what does that say about our own judgement?


What's true of Holland in the other thread is true of Devallano here.  Nobody has had as much success with the modern Wings than these guys have had.  More than Bowman.  More than Babcock.  More than Yzerman, or Lidstrom, or everybody else. 


I think 30 years of unparalleled success affords you the right to say whatever the hell you want about a 20 year old prospect. 

#2610368 At what point does the GM deserve credit/blame?

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2015 - 08:56 AM

Ken Holland has been with the organization for 30 years.  18 of which he's been the GM.  He started as as scout, then the director of scouting, then the assistant GM, then the co-GM, and then the full GM.  It's not a coincidence that he was hired just prior to the Wings beginning an epic playoff streak. 


To try and dismiss his contributions to the organization as anything less than profound would be an absolutely gross understatement.  He's been more important to this team's success then any other individual. 


If you hire a GM from outside the organization, you can argue he's riding coattails.  But it's a little hard to say that about a guy who's been a member of the Red Wings longer than Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. 


To a lesser extent, this is true of Stan Bowman as well.  Sure Tallon was the GM before him.  But he started with Chicago in 2001 when they were a garbage team.  Unless he was just standing around playing with himself for 8 years he likely contributed to their assent.  Is he entirely responsible?  No.  But he's contributed from the bottom up. 


Yzerman doesn't deserve much credit for that first conference finals appearance as he had just come in from outside the organization and had been with the team for less than a year.  But he deserves credit for every single other success they've had since. 

#2609641 Slava Fetisov: Giant Hypocrite.

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 10:28 AM

Slava Fetisov, former Red Wing defenseman and star of the wildly popular documentary "Red Army", wants Russian law to ban Russian hockey players from coming to the U.S. before their 28th birthday. 


You'll recall Fetisov's story.  He bucked Soviet law preventing him from coming to the U.S. to play hockey, by refusing to play for their national team.  In the documentary he explained how he wanted to be free to make his own decisions, make his own money, and determine his own future, without being coerced by federal authorities. 


And now he's a federal authority.  And he's trying to restrict young players from having those very same liberties. 


Here's a thought Slava.  Rather than using a draconian legal system to force people to stay against their will, how's about you work toward reforming said legal system, and equally restrictive and authoritarian economic policies, so that people will WANT to stay in your s***ty country.  You are, after all, a Senator. 


What a dick.