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#2608388 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 04:25 PM

Lids as assistant coach....holy sheeot. Huge upgrade.

Our assistant coaches, and their special teams improvements were a primary factor in making the playoffs this year. We were terrible at even strength. Moving them for a guy with no coaching experience is a terrible idea. No matter how beloved Lidstrom may be. Thats the kind of stuff the Oilers do, not teams who care about winning.

#2608332 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 12:45 PM

Here's a fun fact, Babs' last contract extension was in October, 2010.  By that time he'd already won an Olympic gold and gone to the finals twice.  And all those accomplishments could/should have been used in the negotiations for that contract.   


What's he done since 2010 that would nearly double his last contract?  Win one Olympic gold and two playoff series?

#2608280 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 09:21 AM

This is so ridiculous. 


What's everyone gonna think when the team he goes to doesn't have instant success


I imagine they'll be seriously regretting the 5+ million dollars they gave him to do exactly that. You don't give somebody that much money to gradually improve your team and (if the stars align) perhaps bring you success.  You don't pay forwards 7 million bucks for 50 points seasons either.  If you give a guy (roughly) twice what the highest paid coach (Quenneville) is currently making, you're not expecting mediocre results.


I spoke about this the other day.  If you offer 5 million bucks to Babcock, and he accepts it; you're both implicitly agreeing that he's A) going to give you the best possible chance to win a Cup, and B) that he'll deliver on that. 


If he doesn't, then the entire process will be exposed for the hype driven debacle that it is. 

#2608275 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 09:05 AM

Worse, imagine if Babs signs for a year, Blashill leaves, and then Babs goes someplace else because that prospect obviously intrigues him? 


I sure hope it's implied that if he stays, he signs long(ish) term, because Kenny could get caught without a seat on this one. 

#2608264 Flyers hire North Dakota Head Coach Dave Hakstol

Posted by kipwinger on 18 May 2015 - 08:32 AM

Lol.  Classic Flyers. 


Enjoy the cellar for another couple of years you losers.  There are more quality head coaches available than at any point in recent memory and they pick a guy who's never coached a single game of professional hockey. 


Are they "too smart" or too cheap for their own good?

#2608077 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 09:01 PM

Here's a couple of fun facts that nobody seems remotely interested in following and/or giving any special credence to...


There are four teams left in the playoffs (which are still going on):


If Anaheim wins, Bruce Boudreau has a better winning percentage AND as many Cups as Mike Babcock.

If Chicago wins Joel Quenneville has the second most all time wins AND three Cups

If New York wins Alain Vigneault has take two different teams to the Cup finals and won with one of them (just like Babs)

If Tampa wins Jon Cooper won a Cup in his second year full year as coach, after beating Babcock, the top team in the division, the top team in the league, and whichever team he beats in the West. 


There are a TON of really good coaches out there.  Some as good, or better, than Mike Babcock.  However the story of the day, every day, revolves around a guy who hasn't made it out of the second round  since 2009 and who's team isn't even playing anymore.  And acknowledge it or not, he's had ALL SEASON to decide whether he wants to stay with Detroit.  But of course he hasn't had all season to get flown around the world, and interviewed, and wined and dined, and written about extensively.  And that obviously doesn't appeal to a guy who wants to be thought of as the best coach of his generation.  Nope. 


Oh by the way, if you wanted to be the best coach of your generation, why would you interview with Buffalo, and Toronto, and Philadelphia?  Because those teams are all going places and we aren't?  If all he cared about is winning (like he says) then he would have signed with Detroit already.  There aren't any other positions available which have the track record, the future, the money, and the will to win.  But he hasn't. Why?  Definitely not because he's enjoying this.  Not at all. 

#2608033 Dylan larkin #5 prospect out of top 50 on hockeysfuture

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 05:43 PM

What the hell has Nylander done aside from look smug and play like a *****?

#2608028 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 05:06 PM

I started to doubt this with the amount you two argue.

You're the one who made the accusation.

#2608015 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 03:44 PM


The Decision?


I was just coming to post this.  It's Lebron 2.0.  What a primadonna.  I'm soooooo tired of this crap.  Just sign af****** contract or don't, like every other person (GM, coach, or player) does in the NHL.

#2607989 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 01:58 PM

You'd think don cherry could just write this as an article and give it to someone to run.



He chooses not to write anything at all.  Writing was invented by foreigners. 

#2607985 Prospect Tourney in Traverse City renamed after Matt Wuest

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 01:30 PM

Very classy move. This speaks volumes about the decency of the organization, but also about the profound impact that social media, the internet, non-traditional information outlets, and data oriented analysis have had on the sports landscape.  Only a short time ago, a guy like Matt would have been considered a diehard fan, and nothing more.  Naming the Cup after him seems to suggest that someone like Matt can have a substantive impact on sports decision-makers, not because of his position within an organization, but because the quality of his work and his commitment to transparency and objectivity change the way average fans access and interpret information about their team. 


I don't think you can stress enough the importance that Matt had on our own organization.  I remember when Datsyuk and Zetterberg entered the league, nobody knew a thing about them.  Coming off years with the same core of guys, and suddenly we had these two new guys who really looked like they could play, and who came out of nowhere.  That could never happen now.  There's just too much demand for information about our drafting, prospects, and development.  Today Red Wings fans demand as much information about their team, at every single level, as any of the Canadian teams despite huge differences in the attention the sport in given in each country in traditional media outlets. That level of expectation, knowledge, and attention is the direct result of all the hard work Matt Wuest put into making a good product.


The name of the Matt Wuest Cup is well deserved.  Kudos. 

#2607970 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 12:16 PM





#2607956 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 11:19 AM

Just heard the bozo on the mtl radio ... Tony marinaro rant off about how detroit is all mike Babcock and we'd be nothing without him and mrazek isn't even half as good as price (not even half? Haaaa) and how the habs have these amazing prospects

What a f***en joke man ... It's amazing how delusional some people are

Now after this I'm saying it now I don't want mike Babcock back ... F him ... It's been 10years , time for a change and bring on Blashill ... Knows all the kids , on the verge of winning 2 Calder cups , won't happen but if I were Kenny I'd say sarinara thanks and good luck

And to be honest I always thought Babcock was a tad overrated when we first had him ... Didn't like his face when he was with the ducks lol ... He won a cup with detroit yes. He also had hank and pav in there prime and lidstrom

2gold medals with team canada? Ya with hall of fame rosters

Had datsyuk and zetterberg from 2010-2015 from what ? Ages 29 and up? And did nothing since 09

Time to let Babs go


I don't think there's any need to undersell what Babcock has accomplished.  His career can't be tarnished.  He's a good coach, there's no two ways about it.


But it's not like our organization will fall apart if he leaves.  The hype surrounding the guy has just gone completely overboard since the second Gold Medal.  I'd laugh him out the door if he told me he wanted 5 million dollars a year.


In my opinion you need to ACTUALLY BE the best coach in the NHL if you want to get paid like it. 

#2607949 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 10:52 AM

O god that means Blashil is the next Dave Lewis


Or Dallas Eakins.  Or Guy Boucher. 


Nevermind the fact that he's been a much more successful coach than any of them, no matter what level he's been at.  As long as it helps support that notion that Babcock is irreplaceable, Blashill might as well be the next Pierre McGuire. 


I can't stand all these efforts to run our guys down.  Because it's all a desperate attempt to come to terms with the fact that we've got a good team that's been underperforming.  Kronwall HAS to be less good than he is.  Tatar and Nyquist HAVE to top out as secondary players.  The defense HAS to suck.  Holland HAS to be cheap and incompetent.  Because if those things AREN'T true (note: they aren't) then that means we've got a pretty good team which has been underperforming.  And if THAT'S true, then Mike Babcock ISN'T a hockey messiah, who's getting every last piece of success out of a sinking ship. Instead, he's be the guy who keeps getting the same result regardless of the age, size, speed, toughness, skillness, etc. of his roster.  And that would make a lot of people wrong, wrong, wrong. 


And who likes to be wrong anyway? 

#2607945 Kronwall in the Playoffs

Posted by kipwinger on 15 May 2015 - 10:36 AM

Full potential? Is Kronwall the new Franzen already?


And Tatar and Nyquist are the new Hudler and Filppula.  It's science.