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#2524808 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 10:46 AM

If it took Jarnkrok + a 2nd to land Legwand... sigh. I'll admit Joe has skill, but I'm sure most of us would be uncomfortable with the asking price/actual payment. Good to see Kenny kicking tires, though.


Jesus what a nightmare.  I really hate dwelling on that trade because I realize we were over a barrel (sort of).  But every time I see it written down on this site I want to puke.  That package would go a long way toward landing Ryan Kesler right now, AND he'd be under contract. 


Kudos to Poile on the MASSIVE trade rape. 

#2524800 Todd Bertuzzi will not be re-signed

Posted by kipwinger on 20 June 2014 - 10:07 AM

And thus ends my long time dream of cheering wildly as Todd Bertuzzi is handed the Stanley Cup first after it is presented to Zetterberg (and cheering all the more wildly knowing that the rest of the hockey world is HATING what they're seeing). 

#2524743 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 19 June 2014 - 11:00 PM

:yahoo: You're my boy!!

Welcome aboard the U.S.S. Positivity.  I'll be your Captain.  We're currently sailing though some choppy waters over the next two weeks of our voyage.  Please keep your life-preservers handy.


Ahhh... the good old strawman. He's a sight for sore eyes on these forums.  

He didn't strawman your position. 

He clearly broke down your position into A) You wanna win the cup every year... and he said that isn't very realistic. 

He then went on to say that in his opinion, B) he disagrees that the team is not taking steps towards that goal because he thinks the team is trending upwards not downwards.  ...and then went on to give his opinion.


He's also gone on to state your overall position very plainly. 

You're not as they say, "A glass half-full type of guy"   ...and that's okay. Own it, FFS.

  It's not as if you're not making salient points, Shamen. 

You just have to understand that while everyone wants to win or contend for the Cup every year. 

Not everyone is going to be as down or as pessimistic about the future as you seem to be.

...and that's okay too.  ...just stop pretending that you're not Debbie Downer.


There might be a plan.  Hell, maybe Holland finally has a plan A, B, and C.  As for us, all of us here.  Yeah. We're all grasping at straws. Desperately.  :lol:



Finally, and this goes for ALL OF YOU!

Yes, we say we should wait for FA and the draft and etc. because well, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO! 



...or would you rather us throw fifth rounders at Dan Boyle for no good reason.


You're on a roll tonight buddy! 

Keep everyone on an even keel. Lord knows we need it.  And here's hoping you're rewarded for your faith. 

#2524730 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 19 June 2014 - 09:46 PM

We may not have so many after trading starts. Realistically we have Datsyuk, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan. Weiss can play wing and Helm may end up traded. Andersson just isn't good and can also be traded.

A middle of Datsyuk, Thornton, Weiss/Helm and Sheahan doesn't make anyone else excited? That's powerful and Cup worthy. We could still use a new winger but if we upgrade the defense we may not need one.


I mean, I don't want to sound overly pessimistic because those are all good centers.  But I was already excited at the thought of Dats, Weiss, Sheahan, Helm. 


But it doesn't make a bit of difference if their wingers have hammer hands (Abby) or weight 175 lbs. (Tatar, Nyquist) or are Franzen.  We've already got good centers.  I want wingers with size.


I will admit that Joe would probably make Franzen a superstar overnight.  And he'd be good for Mantha's development too.  Really good.  Mantha would score a zillion goals with Joe passing to him. 

#2524536 Slow News Day Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 19 June 2014 - 08:32 AM


Wasn't it more a case of the fact that he was a Wings fan growing up?


I'm sure that's why he had it on his car.  But the fact that he showed up to meet another team and didn't remove it seems to suggest his sympathies hadn't changed. 


Probably 90% of the people on here would do the same.  If I had my pick of every team in the NHL I'd probably meet with the Blackhawks and Maple Leafs wearing my Maltby sweater lol. 


That kid was never going any place else.  Thank god Dekeyser is a Detroiter, lord knows how bad our defense would be without him haha.

#2524458 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 03:40 PM

When Babcock has had a pure fighter in Detroit the guy barely played. Why get an old guy that forces a young still improving player out just so he can play 5 minutes a night in maybe 50 games then not sniff the ice in the playoffs?


Because he punches guys.  The argument goes something like this:  We should get Shawn Thornton because he's a fighter and we need that on our team.  We need it on our team because we don't have it on our team currently.  We don't currently have it on our team because we don't currently have Shawn Thornton. 


Hopefully that helps. 

#2524454 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 03:14 PM


True, but we don't know what (if anything) might come after Boyle. Whether it be Alfie, a trade for Kesler, Edler or whatever. The pieces get added one by one generally not all at the same time. 


Agreed.  We don't know.  Although I'm certainly not banking on anything else.  Signing old washed up vets is Holland's MO.  Trading for impact players like Kesler and Edler isn't.  If he signs Boyle and then goes on to do grab a couple first rate players in their prime, I won't have anything to complain about.  However, history has shown Holland signs guys like Boyle in lieu of making impact moves, not in addition to making impact moves.  If he signs Boyle, I sure hope this will be the exception.

#2524442 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM


I don't think we'll ever agree on this one, but signing Boyle (in my eyes) run against two of your arguments. 

#1: I don't think signing Boyle would be "doing something just to do it". I think his experience would help Sproul, Marchenko, Ouellet, etc. Whichever one of the kids makes the team this coming season, especially with their work on the PP. Which brings me to...

#2: One of those kids is going to make the team this year, in my opinion. They've (Holland and Babcock) discussed it several times - they like the kids. My best guess is that one of Kindl and/or Lashoff is out with the Wings. I would love for Detroit to be able to move Kindl to a team fighting to hit the cap floor. I think Kindl has certainly played himself off this team, and someone will be willing to ship over a 4th or 5th for him.

Having a defensive core of Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Boyle, Smith, Sproul and Lashoff looks good to me - at the very least, it's an improvement over last season's. 


How is he going to help the kids any more than the vets we already have?  We're not Edmonton, we've got tons of highly successful veterans on our team.  And also, anything you gain in that regard is offset by the fact that he's old, slow, small, and even in his best years was only ok at actually playing defense. 

#2524431 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 01:15 PM

Not a whole lot of Shea Webers lying around


Agreed.  So rather that do something just to do it, why not give the spot to the most deserving kids and let them gain valuable experience which WILL help us in the future.  Lord knows what 82 games under Babcock's tutelage would do for Ryan Sproul's development. 

#2524385 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 18 June 2014 - 09:37 AM

I'm going to reserve my frustration, depression, loss of will to live, rage towards Ken Holland's existence till after July 1st.

We've got the draft upcoming - June 27, 28. 

Compliance buyouts that can happen until June 30th and Free Agency that begins on the first.


This is a frustrating two weeks where the Finals are over and almost nothing but speculation can happen.

So, let's all take a deep breath and collect ourselves. Some of us are beginning to sound like frantic lunatics.

Some of us are already there.


Hell, maybe the site needs to change it's name for the week.



/voice of reason speech


I get what you're saying buddy, and we spoke about this last night.  I definitely don't want to fall into doomsday land, but at the same time I legitimately feel like many of us are dangerously close to crossing the line between wanting to acquire players that help us win, and wanting to acquire players just so we don't feel like management has lost it.  I'm all about the former, but believe doing nothing at all is better than than the latter.  If stop gaps are all that's likely to happen, I'd prefer to see these young guys begin their careers right now.  At least that will help us in the long run.  Signing mediocre hacks like Stralman or Gilbert accomplishes nothing (aside from being able to say "look we signed a puckmover!").  It would be Ian White 2.0.  "No need to acquire real talent like Wisniewski or Erhoff, we got Ian White and Mike Commodore and at bargain prices too!"

I'm not overly concerned about our lack of size up front. Suppose we sign Pouliot and trade, I dunno, Tatar and a pick and a prospect for Blake Wheeler. In theory, we could have...


Zetterberg  Datsyuk  Mantha

Franzen  Weiss  Wheeler

Pouliot  Sheahan  Nyquist

Abdelkader  Helm  Jurco


We also have Campbell, Nastasiuk, Athanasiou, and Nosek in the pipeline, and we might add, say, Brendan Perlini at the draft.




Do you think the Jets would take Tatar and a 3rd round pick for Wheeler?  Because you've used your 1st on Perlini and we don't have a second on account of that totally sweet trade for Legwand.  If that's the case maybe we can trade Smith and our 4th or 5th for Byfuglien as well lol. 

#2524327 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 09:16 PM

I hope he didn't hear any one making fun of him... I hear he's not afraid to fight.


Also, if Glenfiddich was on our fourth line.  I'd have that jersey already.  Goddamn that'd be awesome.

I'd settle for a Daniels, Beam, Walker... hell, even Powers.


Powers you say?



#2524324 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 09:12 PM


Did someone hack your account today?  This is the most negative post I've seen from you this off-season.


I'm worried.  Please let me know if you're okay.  ;)


It's nice of you to care lol.  I was already having a bad morning and the thoughts of bringing back Cleary, Alfie, and Gustavsson (who I'm actually fine with) temporarily overwhelmed the better angels of my nature.  I'm still (cautiously) hoping for something substantial.  We'll find out in a couple of weeks. 

#2524287 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 05:31 PM

If we burn Dan Cleary in effigy outside Joe Louis Arena do you think everyone involved will get the point?

#2524146 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 08:33 AM

Whoa Whoa Whoa, don't everybody go blaming Holland here.  Babs was the one who wanted him back.  Babs was the reason he left money on the table in Philly.  And Babs was the reason he got a commitment beyond last year from the Wings.  If Holland had his say Dan Cleary would be entering the second year of his three year contract with the Flyers right now. 

#2524144 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 17 June 2014 - 08:25 AM

Is it starting to become clear to anyone else that with the exception of some lame ass acquisition like Dan Boyle or Tom Gilbert we're going to have the EXACT same team as last year? 


All the resources in the world won't make a difference if there's no will to use them.  Puke.


Expect D and Z to be hurt again, expect the kids to have good but not great seasons, expect Alfie to be re-signed and then be hurt/run out of gas, and expect our defense to be poor again.  Lather, rinse, repeat.